Hell argues for Nirvana
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"Not specifically on that, although I do have some adjacent topics I'd like to circle around back to at some point. I'm fine moving on for now though."

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"Hell has already advanced what we consider to be the decisive argument on the subject, and has no objection to moving on."

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"Heaven would also like to take into account the effect alternate sources of information had on the degree to which Louisa's confidence that breaking the oath was Lawful was justified, such as those of the other Paladins that she shared the information with and came along with her to rescue the towns, but nothing different in character, simply more considerations for any balancing act."

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"Nirvana is also fine with moving on to considering the rest of the Decedent's life, Your Honor."

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"As is Axis."

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"Thank you. Heaven, since your argument lies in a balancing act of Law vs Chaos across Louisa's life coming down in favor of Law, why don't you start us off?"

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"Historically speaking, there are two main factors considered in judging the lawfulness of a mortal, each drawn from their own case law. The first deals with everyday life; did they steal things that were not theres, were they honest or at least meta-honest in their bargaining, and so forth. This process is a balancing act, though one more weighted towards Chaos; small Chaotic acts can and are outweighed, but it's not sufficient to be Lawful a simple majority of the time. Fortunately, we don't need to quibble here on the exact deciding line, the decedent is significant more lawful than the even the most conservative deciding lines, like Hell v Aurèle.

"With that established, we then consider the major decisions - oaths made in the name of their Paladin order, contracts binding upon their law, obedience to laws of warfare, and so forth. Again very Lawful, 4704-4705 aside - deals kept to even after learning the counterparty was plotting to break them, oaths for behavior the counterparty was unable to verify, etcetera.

If one test is 'on the balance Lawful' and the other 'largely Lawful or Neutral, then Heaven suggests that the overall alignment should be considered Lawful."

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"That's a stretch. Again, per Axis v Kejsi 3012 'You cannot follow Law extra hard to the rest of the time to compensate for major violations.' It specifically rejects the argument you're trying to make here."

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