They've got Arcane Sight, but not Greater Arcane Sight; as far as they can see, Kakara has no spell effects or magic items on her, which means Greater Magic Aura and some paranoia. Not mind blank though, or they wouldn't get the alignment out of aura sight.

The Dragon rates an assessing glance and a hint of a frown. That's not what a baby dragon looks like, even size aside, but what it does look for all the world like is a very tiny version of a very old dragon.

Kakara cringes; she might not be aware that alignment even exists, but she remembers keenly how the petitioners in line for judgment reacted when they saw her together with Dazarel's spirit and thought she'd died killing him.

"Yes, that's Dazarel, yes, I'm aware of what he did. But I have him very thoroughly subdued and he knows what will come of it if he tries anything, even if something happened to me first. He's not a risk, and in this form he's still somewhat useful to keep around."

Wizards.

The name Dazarel isn't ringing a bell, although she does make sure to remember it to ask their archivists and historians to look into later, since Karen seems to expect him to be recognizable on sight. They'll probably need to talk to angels as well in order to get anywhere on it, but it's at least worth trying to save Heaven's intervention budget. What is pretty clear is that this Dazarel is or was an powerful evil dragon that did a lot of harm before being captured, and is the kind of person where keeping their company is very much not a good sign for your character. That being said, turning an evil dragon into a familiar isn't even the stupidest thing in that category done by a wizard she's personally met, and in fairness 'within arms reach of the wizard that defeated him in the first place' is not the worst place to put a defeated evil dragon she can think of.

"We will trust your judgment on that for now," she responds, rather more diplomatically. "The church of Iomedae is of course happy to learn anything you wish to share about other worlds to add to our archives, but if you would prefer to skip straight to your questions that won't be an issue."

Ah, a church. Kakara somehow hadn’t expected the Knights of Ozem to also be a church, even though in retrospect she’d been ignoring quite a bit of religious iconography. She knew it happened at least sometimes back on Earth, but Garenhuld didn’t tend to go for that kind of thing and what records they have of Vegeta suggested the same was true there, even accounting for the fact that any Saiyans who worshipped a god would be a martial order essentially by default. Hopefully this will be less awkward than interacting with the ancestor cult, and given that she is not currently being quasi-worshiped as a demigod she’ll choose to remain optimistic.

“I’ve been considering a plan that involves me traversing Hell, for reasons I’d rather not get into. I am aware of how, even with my present level of strength, this is not exactly advisable, but I have good reason for it and no easy alternatives. I’m hoping to rectify the specific flaw where I have an incomplete understanding of the dangers involved and who I will encounter there, but if you have additional advice on weaknesses or on ways to avoid detection those would also be of some value to me.”

Well, that's certainly ambitious, particularly given the fact that she seems to plan to do it in person. Eulalia did not in fact swear an oath not to speculate on the goal thereof, or even imply they wouldn't do so, but she's still a cleric of Iomedae. When a potential ally reaches out to you in good faith for mutual benefit, you don't take actions that would predictably cause them to regret reaching out to you even if they aren't very powerful in their own right. She'll consider the matter only insofar as it it necessary to answer the questions asked, and not share any of what she does realize, until such a time as Karen informs her or otherwise indicates that it is no longer something she would rather not get into. She is in fact curious about it, just not the kind of curious that would make her take leave of her senses.

As such, she can can start outlining the 9 planes of Hell, starting with Avernus, a desolate land of volcanoes and endless desert where damned souls first arrive after judgment and largely inhabited by lesser devils of one sort or another, the most common of which are bearded devils. All devils are immune to fire and poison, and resist both acid and cold, but are of course vulnerable to good-aligned attacks. They have some maps of Avernus, or at least the parts reachable by from Golarion, and some intelligence as to who reigns where, though these records are rather incomplete and dated. Probably much of the more basic information is already known to Karen, but it doesn't pay to assume.

This was super not known to Kakara, actually. She didn't even know Hell had 9 layers, as it happens, nor the population to support them, and she's much more glad she didn't decide to go dive right in. On Garenhuld, their main attestations on the afterlife come from the Z fighters, and while Vegeta did in fact die twice while hellbound he didn't actually make it past judgment either time before coming back. And sure, most people either make it to the otherworld or have their souls cleansed to try again, but the universe is a big place; when you're dealing with a population of trillions, even a small portion adds up to hell probably having a lot of people. It does make her kind of sick to her stomach to think of. The details on the devils within are also appreciated; she does know of any examples, but "the demons and makai encountered by at least one Z fighter" is hardly likely to offer a representative example.

She had kind of thought there would be more in the way of extremely powerful former evil mortals mucking around too? Sure, Frieza is back in the world of the living these days, but there's people like Cell where she would expect even the Makaioshin to have some difficulty keeping under control.

"When they arrive in Hell, petitioners largely largely lack all of the abilities they had in life, and depending on the time will have some difficulty regaining them; unlike, say, Heaven, Asmodeus is largely uninterested in letting them regain them except insofar as he can bend them to his service. Most such souls either fall in line and are transformed into devils or are kept imprisoned."

Her use of the term Makaioshin doesn't really register as something worthy of notice; it smoothly translates as meaning "chief evil god / king of the evil gods" and applies perfectly as an epithet for the entity they know as the Prince of hell.

"Various Devils and cults of Asmodeus might imply that especially capable lawful evil souls can expect to earn a high place in hell, but unless they make specific arrangements beforehand the most common fate for them is the same as any other soul so damned, and they're just tortured forever if they aren't lucky enough to have some devil find a use for them."

What.

Kakara knew she didn't have the details on Hell. She expected to learn she was wrong in her assumptions about its geography, the disposition of its inhabitants, its dangers. But she does not in fact know nothing about Hell, and this doesn't fit. Either these people don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about - which isn't impossible, Kakara is good at noticing when people lie but less good when they don't even know they're lying, even if the sight did lead her here - or essentially everything she knows about the afterlives are wrong, which is rather unlikely given that she's been there, both to heaven itself and recently to meet King Yenma, and she's pretty sure it would have rated a mention. Even if it was normally some kind of secret, he wouldn't have then offered to let her go through it, if keeping it from her was that important, and regardless of if she had died doing it or not she would have ended up in Son Gohan's divine realm afterward to talk about it.

Which means as unlikely as it seems, it probably has to be the former, except...

There's been this wiggling note of confusion that's been with her through this whole conversation. She activates the Sight, to determine how to she could get to Garenhuld from here if she so chose.

Oh.

"I'm not in universe 7 anymore, am I."

As nonsequitors go, that's a pretty baffling one, especially since it's not exactly clear what triggered it. It's the kind of confusion that's so far from what you're expecting to anchor on that you can't, actually, sincerely try to dispel it, because it's not exactly clear what kind of schema you would get such that you both number universes and that one of the ones where people live on would be number 7. You could argue for the classification of the planes as universes in their own right, but that still doesn't get you anything mistakable for the material as number 7, and it's not just a mistranslation of worlds since her being from another one was the first thing she introduced herself with.

But what Lastwall does not have, in the context of important strategic conversations or payment to those who have done them a great service, is much in the way refraining from asking useful questions because it might make you look silly or foolish. They're aware of this human instinct, but it is one they have worked to thoroughly train out, because some things are just more important than your pride.

"I'll confess, I'm not sure where or what universe 7 is such that you could be in it or not. But if it's the kind of place where you would expect everyone within to know that, it is not. By our own reckoning, Lastwall is a country on the continent of Avistan of planet Golarion, which is located within the prime material plane of Pharasma's creation."

"It is not; there are many people within what we call universe 7 which would not know themselves to be such. In our understanding of our cosmology, there are twelve universes, each assigned a number, and the universes whose sum add up to 13 are paired; our universe 7 is matched with universe 6, for instance. Within each universe there is a Kaioshin, who creates worlds, kais, and so forth while acting as its chief god, and a Hakaioshin, who largely destroys worlds according to their own whims or desires."

She does not, in fact, actually hate Beerus, but she's hardly in the business of endorsing his decisions.

"Each of these universes has their own living world where mortals reside, and their own unique afterlife system. I know some things about my own world's system and could thereby also make educated guesses about that of Universe 6, but I know next to nothing about any of the others. What struck me, and caused me to attempt to discern the location of the planet I came from relative to here, was the bit about eternal torture. We don't do that to anyone, as far as I am aware, much less most people sent to Hell. Hell is not exactly pleasant or safe, but this... doesn't fit. My search parameters that brought me here were an attempt to learn more of my own universe's hell so I could cross through it safely and get training in Heaven, but this seems like it might actually be much more important."

If she does get involved here, she's going to have to be so careful. In another universe, however she ended up here, her Grandfather's protection means a lot less, and dying here might mean she never gets to see anyone she knows ever again, not to mention potentially leaving her home in the hands of that bitch indefinitely if the Sensu clan and Maya don't manage to do something about it without her. But while she won't deny her own willingness to prioritize those close to her... she's not in fact the kind of person who can abandon people, even shitty people, to be tortured forever. Kakara will make sure this is true. She'll try to negotiate, if the slightest opportunity emerges. But like a shooting star blazing through the sky, this isn't a path she can turn aside from; Kakara is not the kind of person to look away from this kind of injustice, not even if it means burning herself up in the process.

(And besides, a darker part of her notes, even the gods fear the Enemy. If she was ever to overturn her people's doom, she would require this kind of strength regardless).

Out of all the places in Golarion, inside Her temple in Her country speaking with one of Her strongest clerics is one of the places where Iomedae's vision is clearest and Her observation cheapest. A fragment of Her was watching this conversation, though not in communication with the greater whole, and while Neutral Good is not the clearest to Her, She could in time expect to understand most of what went on here. (This isn't, in the usual sense, a violation of the implied secrecy. If specifically requested, She would keep it in confidence even from all of her, but She's just not the kind of shape that can adversely utilize an offer reached out in good faith.)

In the face of what is suddenly one of the brightest stars in the constellation of Golarion, this is wholly unnecessary. Unless She were to turn away from the world at least as thoroughly as Shiziru, she could not help but notice it. Normally this would be where She dropped a few Paladin levels, but She can also see clearly enough to know that it would be basically pointless. Kakara's energy is more boundless than the sea, qualitatively a mere half step away from becoming that of a demigod and quantitatively even greater than Her own. Instead, She weaves that energy and intervention budget-

:Hello, Kakara:

-and across cross from her in the vision is a woman in armor, with the same insignia used as several of the people she met at the fortress and in Lastwall. Chelish, not that Kakara has enough knowledge of Golarion ethnicities to tell beyond that it looks similar to some of the people in the knights of Ozem. The feeling from her is notably lesser than her grandfather's, even while he suppressed it, but clearly to her senses the same kind of power.

Dazarel isn't with her.

"I take it you're Iomedae?"

:Yes. I am Iomedae, the goddess of destroying evil, and one of the many gods that operate on Golarion:

Her Grandfather taught her the proper formalities for speaking with members of the divine bureaucracy, but she's genuinely not sure the same rules apply wherever she is now and she's really not in the mood anyway.

"What's with the whole eternal torture deal, then? Is that something they're just making up?"

:No. I swear to you that to the best of my knowledge what they represented to you is accurate, and that I would expect to know if it were false. The nine afterlives of this universe were laid out by Pharasma when She created it, and the conditions in Hell are maintained through the efforts of Asmodeus, one of the most powerful gods, neither of whom I yet possess the power to defeat:

"And if I do something about it, will we have a problem?"

:Not from Me. Asmodeus and His archdevils are likely to object, as might some of the other evil gods or Pharasma depending on how you go about doing it. For this reason, I advise you do whatever you can of your preparation on Golarion, where Prophecy does not work and the gods are limited to more mundane methods of observation. This property extends to demiplanes created from there, should you need more security, but it is unlikely He will respond in sufficient force to matter as long as you do not visibly surpass the strength ordinarily wielded by 9th Circle mortals by too large a fraction:

:The other main concern is that Asmodeus, if He feels Himself in true danger of defeat, may elect to release Rovagug from its cage. Rovagug is a tremendously powerful god of evil and destruction that the other gods have kept imprisoned within Golarion; He is stronger yet than Asmodeus and left to His own devices would seek to eat this and other worlds, though in such a fight you would have more committed allies amongst the gods than against Asmodeus Himself:

That could be a Hakaoishin description, in which case she ought to be really nervous about fighting both it and any gods strong enough to meaningfully participate in fighting it, or more of a Maijin Buu description where in principle it wouldn't be impossible for her to win with a strong enough spirit bomb even if the odds were against her in doing so. Once you get to the point of wrecking planets, it gets pretty hard to determine the finer gradients of who can beat who in head to head conflict without actually doing it, unfortunately.

"What is causing the foresight block, which of the other evil gods should I keep an eye out for, and how can I best confirm your claims?"

:The proximal cause of the block is the death of Aroden, a god who was slain in a war a century ago, but there was already significant interference owing from the fact that Rovagug is imprisoned there; He interferes with almost all modes of extrasensory perception to some extent, and the events around Aroden's death were simply the final straw for Foresight. Of the other evil gods, Zon Kuthon, Urgathoa, and Lamashtu are the three most dangerous to you. As for confirming the claims, the most direct way would be to scry Hell; parts of it are shielded against it, but not most. Aside from that, essentially every other church will also confirm this state of affairs, including the Church of Asmodeus; they do not deny the torment that awaits the damned at the hands of their god:

Kakara can feel the vision starting to come apart around her now. Her Grandfather could keep it together for a while longer anyway, but she can't, and she suspects the same is true for Iomedae. Probably enough time for one more question, then.

"Do you have knowledge of the entity we call the enemy? They're humanoid, as near as you can tell under a black cloak that covers everything, and are an incredibly powerful void mage. Can travel quickly between star systems and destroy planets, although not instantaneously. Would have popped up some time in the last 250 years or so, assuming the timeline matches, but if you had records of them from before that it would also be incredibly valuable."

:I know of no such entity, but I will make inquiries among the other gods as are good enough or lawful enough to be trustworthy with it, and will send a message to you through my clerics if there is anything I can share:

And the vision comes apart.

She's back in Lastwall, still in the same room as she was before the vision. She doesn't have a good sense for how long that just took in real time, but probably not that long, since it was pretty quick subjectively and Eulalia is still looking at her with some astonishment.