The next section is a discussion of the state Sesat is in now. It opens with fully twenty interviews.
Interview 1
Feris: I’m writing the book now. Can I interview you for it?
1: Yeah.
F: Are you glad you were born?
1: Wow, you’re not fucking around. No. I wish I’d never been born.
F: Before Vanda Nossëo made contact, were you glad you were born?
1: I guess. How else was I going to smell flowers or learn to stand on my hands and shoot with my feet? I don’t think I was ever as glad of it as some people but yeah. Man, I miss when people thought I was cool for doing trick shots like that.
F: What changed?
1: [laughs] All my skills are worthless or universal. Literacy’s universal, archery’s worthless, being able to knife a guy too fast for him to react turned out worse than worthless.
F: It did?
1: Oh, imagine you’re on a bus. You’re about to leave. It’s all enclosed. Some guy steps on your foot, you think on purpose, and gets in your way as you try to leave. What do you do?
F: I draw whatever weapon I have on hand and tell him never to touch me again. Unless he’s from Vanda Nossëo and you’re in their territory, then I have no idea.
1: I went with telling him I was sure he was apologizing and then he shoved me.
F: Yeah, you kill him then. Again, unless Vanda Nossëo is backing him and he and can act with impunity. Perhaps even then.
1: It turns out that’s just illegal in Vanda Nossëo no matter who does it. Killing someone like that, I mean.
F: [sighs] Naturally.
1: It turns out that—you know what you’d think if someone didn’t, right?
F: Well, a coward would try to placate him. A woman would scream.
1: Why would a woman scream?
F: I suppose because someone might be around in time to save her and she probably doesn’t want to be—raped? Killed? Insulted?
1: So it turns out actually she should be completely confident that none of that would happen. Because the authorities are so all-powerful it’s impossible that he could ever get away with any crime.
F: Wow.
1: So I guess that’s the other thing. That—do you really want me to say it?
F: Yes.
1: That we’re not people, really. That we belong to them now. We live and die at their whim.
F: I’ve heard that they have a certain pride in their courts, like the fair folk, and if they broke the laws they’ve written to kill someone it would be a terrible thing for them to live with having done. And their teleporters would turn on them.
1: Well, that last part is just untrue, the teleporters can’t turn on them because they’ll take the power away if you try. I used to think I’d be able to feel like it was like a sword I’d been lent or something, but then I got it and I felt like it belonged to me. Like it was part of me. Only it doesn’t really belong to me. It’s part of me that belongs to them, and the more powerful you seem the more you’re actually made of things that belong to the peal. Only, no, that’s still not true, because—I mean, they’d take anything. The reason I’m allowed to have eyes and ears, my tongue, my hands, my feet, is because they’re not afraid I’ll somehow use them to stand against them. We’re slaves, Feris, it just happens to please them to pretend otherwise and give us nice things.
F: Let’s move on to the next question. What in your life has improved the most?
1: I got to fly. That was okay.
F: What in your life has been the most worsened?
1: Knowing that everyone I love is a slave and that someday we’ll probably all wind up in Angband. You know, I think a lot about whether I’m actually in Angband right now.
F: Why will we all wind up in Angband?
1: Lots of Melkors, capable of interdimensional travel, why hasn’t someone evil landed on an Arda yet? Or someone just unable to save it? There could be an evil peal. I’m not saying there are more evil peals or that they’ll spend more time ruling more of the multiverse, just that someday we’ll run into one. Someday we’ll run into an infinite number. Someday we’ll lose. Maybe it’ll take a trillion years and maybe afterward we’ll all escape and it won’t happen again for a trillion trillion years. But why wouldn’t it happen?
F: I suppose. Is there anything you can think of that would make that better?
1: No.
F: What would it take to make you whole now?
1: Indelible magic powers cooler than Loki’s.
F: Not even indelible magic powers as cool as Loki’s?
1: It’s the thing where someday there’ll be an evil peal. I should’ve just said omnipotence.
F: I see.
1: When I finish my indenture I’m going to buy a couple of worldleapers. At least escape off the map. At least have the option.
F: Yeah. Is there any way you wish Vanda Nossëo had handled things differently?
1: Yes, they should have given me Loki’s spells and then fucked off.
F: How should they have figured out that they should have done that?
1: Oh, there’s no way they could possibly have figured that out. I’m not even confident it’s better from their perspective. I think it would have been, though.
F: What would have happened then?
1: I’d have conquered Sesat and made peace with Azan and healed everyone who asked. Actually, it’s probably better to just bring in as many slaves as possible, because some of us might somehow turn out useful when the evil peal inevitably shows up, but I think it’s probably still better to give us all as much power as possible with as few backdoors as possible because we’re not Melkor and that’s the only thing that really matters in the end.
F: Is there something they could say that would cause you to stop believing you’re their slave?
1: They could kiss my feet and beg my forgiveness and actually give me power. It’s not a social thing, it’s not like when slaves ran away to Azan. The gap in power is too big. They could swear that I’m their favorite person and they adore me personally and want to make me happy because they love me so much. One of the female Bells could marry me?
F: That seems like more assurance than the envoys have.
1: Are you sure the envoys aren’t also slaves?
F: I really believe they didn’t mean to do this to us. I know them. They genuinely didn’t.
1: Oh, they didn’t mean to do what they did? Some greater power compelled them? They’re actually helpless?
F: They don’t think they are.
1: Whatever lets them sleep at night.
F: Is there anything they could have said or done, before you knew better, that would have tricked you into believing something less awful than this?
1: Yeah, for sure. They could have pretended not to have any power besides dwarven artificing and technology and then sold us a charp and an artificing class for our slaves and a promise to deliver all our future slaves to them forever.
F: Is there anything that would have held up to actually visiting the multiverse?
1: A political marriage. Coming in and saying “It’s so horrifying that people so courageous and honorable and strong and blah blah blah had to come up in this universe barren of magic, it’s amazing that you did anyway, we’re so horrified and want to teach you all dwarven artificing right away and we’d like to hear what you have to say, so much so that we’ve worked to make you these treasures to pay for them because even your humblest anecdote is worth a bolt of fine silk. We’re so honored to make your acquaintance.” Fucking showing as much respect as learning our etiquette at some point. Not opening with veiled threats. They’d’ve had to not totally radiate contempt all the time, too. I’m not sure they could manage it. There are too many of them and they hate us too much.
F: What do you hope will happen next?
1: That I’ll discover a magic song that makes me not mind any of it anymore.
F: I think I already know the answer to this, but are you flourishing?
1: [laughs] Nope.
F: And what do you think the starfarers have most misunderstood about us?
1: I don’t know.
F: Is there anything about them that confuses you?
1: Yeah, but I don’t know how to phrase it as a specific question.
Interview 2
F: I’m writing a book about first contact, that’s what the interview’s for. These are mostly to get a sense of how people feel about how it went and how people feel about Vanda Nossëo.
2: I like Vanda Nossëo.
F: I’m glad to hear it. I know this is a bit personal, but are you glad you were born?
2: What kind of question is that? Yeah, actually. Just since I moved here. I like my life. I think I’m really cool.
F: And before Vanda Nossëo made contact?
2: I was cool then too but I wasn’t happy.
F: What changed?
2. They treat me like a person.
F: How so?
2: I get to wear my hair however I want. And they talk to me like I’m a person and stuff. And I get paid. And I get to do the jobs I want and not the jobs I don’t want.
F: If you’d been allowed that in Sesat, would it have been fine?
2: Not if it was just me. Also it turns out I’m probably smarter now or something because of the resurrection making it like I never got hit in the head.
F: I would love to be smarter. Learning about lead and fetal alcohol syndrome horrified me.
2: Learning what?
F: There are omnipresent poisons that make people stupid.
2: What? That’s fucked up.
F: So why do you have all these things now?
2: Because I’m not surrounded by horrible people. Gotta hate Sesat.
F: What made them horrible?
2: Well, hurting people on purpose for no reason.
F: I’m going to put it in the book that you were enslaved for a crime.
2: Yeah, why do you think I killed him, because he was such a sweetheart?
F: I see. Well, why did you?
2: He deserved it.
F: I see. Next question. What in your life has improved the most?
2: Everything? Me. I’m improved. My diet is improved. I know cooler people. I have fun. Roller coasters are fun. I guess I think the thing that’s the most improved is that I spend all my time making my life cool instead of reacting to people trying to hurt me.
F: Have you given up on traditional Sesati considerations that are at odds with Vanda Nossëo’s culture, like vengeance?
2: You gonna get in my way if I say no?
F: Not if it isn’t on anyone I care about and you don’t interfere with anyone I care about in the process.
2: Nah, I’m just thinking about how to do it. And… I guess if I think long enough I’ll have to check that they didn’t become better people. I think maybe people are all going to be better now. Sesat sucks.
F: I see. And what in your life has been most worsened?
2: Oh, maybe that people tolerate injustice? They don’t even pretend to care. If whatever bad thing they’re bothered about stops happening then that’s good enough for them. It—hurts. I guess.
F: What would be different if they didn’t tolerate injustice?
2: Oh, they wouldn’t get in my way if I hunted down my so-called owner and gutted him.
F: Do you think you could? If they didn’t stop you?
2: Not if he has a magic ring now. Otherwise? Yeah. I thought I probably could even before. I’m not saying I thought I’d survive it, just that I could do it. I only didn’t because I was working for Termite, the leader of the rebellion we had going on back in Sesat, and it wanted me to lay low and do these fucking subtle things that’d help reshape all of society. Oh, maybe if anyone believed in justice I would get a fucking medal for that.
F: I see. Are you basically happy with how first contact went?
2: Yeah, I’m really happy about almost everything.
F: What aspects of how they acted toward Sesatis led you to feel that way? Was it just acting like you’re a person?
2: Also they don’t hit people much. And I made friends, I guess that’s about me being cool and not something they can just give other people out of pity.
F: I see.
2: Someone told me some things some of the aliens believe about gods. They think you have to forgive people because their gods don’t like revenge. One of them decided to visit an Earth and try to convince everyone to value universal flourishing instead, but they got mad and killed him, but he didn’t stay dead. Anyway, he said if he got what he wanted, he would ‘comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.’ I think maybe that’s right. Vanda Nossëo’s been a comfort to me. Only, yeah, it’s not as good as what you guys had before, and I guess Sesat spoiled you too much and… I can’t believe I don’t even feel smug anymore calling you pathetic and fragile. You are but I just feel sad and I don’t really know why. I honestly don’t get why you don’t just die.
F: I don’t want to only live if someone who doesn’t care about my preferences has the ability and inclination to resurrect me.
2: Oh. That is fucked up, ick.
F: Yes. Next question. What do you hope will happen next?
2: I don’t know, I guess I hope I’ll go on another roller coaster. I hope no one resurrects my father for twenty years and then afterward he’s as pathetic as you and hates Vanda Nossëo and every minute of the rest of his life forever is agony. No I don’t. I think I want him to just stay dead forever except apparently that’s not an option. I hope he becomes a better person who wouldn’t have problems.
F: Do you think the thing that causes people to be miserable in Vanda Nossëo is being a bad person?
2: No. I don’t know. I think it’s pride. No one has more than almost no pride here. It’s a big step up from being treated worse than animals, you know? I get to be in charge of animals now. So it’s a relief for me. I’m not less than a dog. But I’m barely not less than a dog, it’s not like I’m allowed to hit them or anything, and I think you hate being barely not less than a dog.
F: Yes.
2: But the dogs are probably happier not being hit. I think about that a lot.
F: I suppose that’s probably true. Would you say you’re flourishing?
2: Man, I don’t really know what that means.
F: I don’t really know either, though I’ve tried to find out. I can’t tell if it’s what I would mean by it or not, when the starfarers say it.
2: They’re very weird.
F: I don’t disagree. Are there things about them that confuse you?
2: So many.
F: Such as?
2: I only sort of understand who gets to tell who else what to do. I don’t really understand a lot of things. I don’t even know what I don’t know yet!
F: Understandable. Have you noticed them being confused or wrong about anything about Sesatis?
2: They don’t even understand justice, a lot of them, except for the ones I told you about who taught me that saying about their god. I don’t know what else they don’t know.
Interview 3
Feris: I come to you not as your friend nor as your brother in arms nor as your king, but as a philosopher. I am writing a book and wish to interview you.
3: How do I address a philosopher, anyway?
F: I think it’s traditional to address us as “you ass” and then run us out of town in frustration.
3: That sounds about right. What do you want to know?
F: Are you glad you were born?
3: What kind of question is that? I absolutely wish I just appeared one day on Stork instead, yeah.
F: Would you rather neither have been born nor have appeared one day on Stork nor have appeared one day in some Arda nor otherwise have come into being?
3: Oh, are you asking if my life sucks? What are you looking for here?
F: I want honesty. I can remove anything I want, or anything you want, don’t worry about saying the right thing. Just tell me what’s true.
3: I guess my life sucks but it doesn’t suck that much.
F: How much does it suck?
3: I’m Sesati. Everyone on a thousand planets thinks I’m scum. I hate them, by the way. They’re all wrong and stupid and none of them could have lived the lives we lived. The fucking Elves would have died of grief the first time someone they knew was killed in a raid. The Amentans would have killed themselves the day they learned where fertilizer comes from. The Earths I guess have humans and humans can survive but Earth humans are so fragile now and when they were at our tech level they were worse at everything and treated their women like slaves. Do you know how much I hate aliens? I can’t sleep at night because I toss and turn thinking about how much I hate aliens. Glad you arranged something to keep us from having to join them. Did you hear what [redacted] said about having to let them all insult him all day? He has to live like a serf now!
F: I did hear about it. Is it truly so surprising, though?
3: Well, no, I’m not saying it’s a surprise that they treat us like that. They can so why not?
F: Because it’s not conducive to our flourishing?
3: [laughs] Ah, right, of course, our flourishing, which they care so much about.
F: Anyway, next question. Were you glad to have been born before they came?
3: My life was great. Wait, do you mean am I glad that I had that time or was I glad back then? Either way, yeah, I had a great life.
F: How so?
3: Had everything I wanted. Women, wine and song. I was good at things. People loved me. People listened to me. This is for an audience, right? That doesn’t already know me?
F: Yes, probably.
3: I was a soldier and I was good at that and it was one of the best things to be good at. People knew I was strong and brave and clever and I basically got what I wanted. There were things I didn’t have yet but I felt basically content.
F: Yeah. I remember. What changed?
3: I hate the aliens. I fucking hate the aliens. They came here to do their best to destroy Sesat and we caught them in their boasts and beat them that way. Well, you did. I’m proud of you.
F: Thank you, it was more harrowing than war.
3: I would hate to be a diplomat.
F: What in your life has improved the most?
3: I have a prestidigitator.
F: Imagine if instead of any of this they just offered to make sure each of us had a prestidigitator in exchange for our slaves.
3: I don’t see how that’d happen. What, they’d come in and just leave us alone? They don’t just leave people alone. They’re power-mad and they need to rule everything and everywhere. As soon as you’re dethroned I bet they come for us again.
F: I am being very careful about finding a successor. Next question. What in your life has been the most worsened?
3: That I have nothing to do. You get tired of being idle eventually. And knowing my friend is off being treated like a serf by the starfarers. And knowing they exist. And all the Melkors that probably exist out there. And all the orcs that definitely exist out there.
F: Is there anything that they could say or do that would make you more positively disposed toward the starfarers?
3: [laughs] They have horrible taste and they’re spoiled and delicate and can’t stand pain and they think they’re better than me even though they’re worse at everything that isn’t being given magic by someone else. Did they train for their magic? Did they work for it? Or did Loki just decide they were obedient enough for it?
F: Right, I understand that you hate them, and why. Is there anything they could do to change your mind now?
3: Why would they want to? They feel the same way about me as I do about them. They think I work for a living and they’re like beautiful ladies with rich husbands.
F: Right, supposing their taste magically improved, hypothetically.
3: I don’t know, maybe the ones with better taste want to spar. Without cheating.
F: I see. And is there anything they could have said or done differently to begin with, to keep you from forming this opinion of them in the first place?
3: They could’ve stayed the fuck away.
F: If I’d asked you before we met them whether not-quite-the-fair-folk-but-sort-of-the-fair-folk visiting from foreign stars would necessarily be terrible, would you have said yes?
3: No!
F: What would have been the best case scenario?
3: Their queen marries the Star-of-Stars? No, their queen marries me.
F: But they didn’t have to have a ruling queen.
3: Their king marries a Sesati woman.
F: Or a king, apparently, they could’ve been a democracy.
3: I guess if they showed up and did diplomacy like normal people. “Hello, Sesat, we’re from the stars, blah blah blah, let’s have trade.” “Hello, starfarers, you’re so welcome, blah blah blah…” and not try to open with “wouldn’t you love to be our vassals? We hate your laws and we’ll make you change them when we subjugate you.”
F: What are you eliding when you say “blah blah blah” like that?
3: You know, normal diplomacy noises. “We’re so happy to meet you. We’re so honored that someone so blah blah blah chose to spend their valuable time gracing us with their conversation blah blah blah.” I don’t know. I’m no diplomat, myself.
F: They told me they didn’t want to subjugate us, let alone that they couldn’t, which they told me the first time I met them.
3: Yeah but that was a word game. “We don’t have to conquer you. We’re so much better that you’ll beg for it. We won’t even let you be our vassals until enough of you beg.”
F: Mechanically, that is identical to wanting to do what pleases us and striving to find out what pleases us so they can obey.
3: Yeah! It’s great that you caught that.
F: I honestly think some of them came here genuinely believing that.
3: Yeah, the shopkeepers vary a lot but most of them aren’t very smart in a certain way. They’re not bad at math or anything but they don’t quite follow conversations or implications sometimes.
F: I’ve noticed. There’s a bit of that with the envoys, too.
3: Really! You didn’t tell me that.
F: Yes! Really! They say it’s hard because subtext is so culturally specific.
3: Is it?
F: I think so. So what do you hope will happen next?
3: We’ll move to Revelation. Have a dozen kids. Fill the universe with happy, powerful Sesatis. Any time they try to slay our children they just rise again more powerful than before.
F: I’m talking with other local kings about that.
3: Good.
F: Would you say you’re flourishing?
3: That’s the thing they keep going on about.
F: If Allspeak thinks it means something close enough to our word, then answer for our word.
3: Allspeak is shit. Remember that whole thing with “person” and “námo”?
F: Apparently Quenya just doesn’t have a word for “person”. That can’t easily be solved with good translation.
3: Anyway, yeah, I’m flourishing, I’m awesome. Not as much as before.
F: I’m glad you’re flourishing. Can you think of anything that the envoys have been wrong or confused about, about Sesat?
3: You’re the one who talks to aliens.
F: True. And are there things about them that confuse you?
3: Why do they even bother? Why not just leave us alone? Why not just kill us all? Why not just send in all their subtle artists to make us how they want? Why this fucking mockery of diplomacy?
F: I think they intended to do diplomacy that wasn’t a mockery.
I sent others to do the remaining interviews.
Interview 4
V: Someone I know is writing a book about first contact and asked me if I could interview people about how they feel about Vanda Nossëo and stuff. The questions are kind of intrusive but you don’t have to answer them and they won’t put your name in the book. If you tell me anything that’d make him want to hurt you, I won’t pass it on, I like you.
4: I remember who you used to know who wrote books.
V: This isn’t a royal command.
4: I see. Okay.
V: First question. Are you glad you were born?
4: You weren’t kidding about these questions being intrusive. Yes. I am glad I was born. Otherwise how would I be alive today? Wait, do you mean instead of being a Stork person? I’m not glad I’m not a Stork person, that would be fine. Hey, do you know if I have alts there? Some of the teleporters can check for alts, right? Can you do that?
V: I cannot do that. I have no idea if you have any alts. It would be sort of interesting if we all had Earth alts or something, wouldn’t it?
4: Yeah, I want to know how different my alts are. If the gods made me the same but everything else was different.
V: Yeah. Next question. Before they came, were you glad to have been born?
4: Yeah.
V: Next question. What is the most improved thing about your life since the starfarers came?
4: My household has a prestidigitator now and we have these premade meals and the spices sell for a song.
V: Next question. What’s the most worsened thing about your life since the starfarers came?
4: I guess knowing there’s this whole world out there and I might have alts everywhere and there’s no point in visiting because… the envoys in the shops are polite because they were ordered to be to get our guard down, but everyone out there hates us. They don’t even own up to it. They don’t really hate us, that’s wrong. They pity us. But not for being weak. For being who we are.
V: Not everyone, the first person I made friends with out there was worried about what I’d think of the world he came from. They were cannibals there. Vanda Nossëo doesn’t like that any better than we do. And the Amentans had something like slavery and it was outright illegal to aspire to anything your parents didn’t do. And the Elves turned out to have all this awful drama and no idea how to handle conflict. And then there are all the orcs. Now that I put it like this I’m not sure there’s anyone in Vanda Nossëo that actually is what they think of as better. They might all be… you know?
4: Maybe. That’d be funny. Do you suppose they even actually like being like that or are they pretending about that too?
V: Dunno.
4: But we’re too stubborn to be bribed.
V: Next question. Is there anything they could do now that would fix the things you were telling me about?
4: Honestly, it fixes it to know they’re just pretending. Now I’m just sad that most of the aliens have no integrity. But I still like their split pea soup and aniline dyes. And the healing. I can see how tempting it’d be if you didn’t have someone clever to trip them up in their own boasting and make them keep selling their healing without taking over.
V: Yeah. Next question. Do you feel satisfied with how first contact went?
4: I mean, it depends. Do you mean do I feel satisfied with what aliens exist? Not really. Do I feel satisfied that at least we handled it as well as we could? I guess.
V: What kind of aliens would you have liked better?
4: Different ones. I don’t know. Ones that don’t pretend to hold us all in contempt.
V: Makes sense. And what do you hope will happen next?
4: Oh, I don’t know. We’ll all be richer and our kids will be able to pretend to be like they’re pretending to be and won’t get looked at the way we do.
V: Yeah. Have you noticed the starfarers being wrong or confused about us?
4: Yeah, I think that’s what’s up with the shops. They want to understand. They came here not knowing anything at all.
V: Huh, yeah, that makes sense. And are you confused about them?
4: Almost certainly. I haven’t spent all this time listening to countless starfarers tell me stories, right?
V: Well, fair. I was wondering if you knew what you were confused about.
4: No, I don’t.
V: Last question, are you flourishing?
4: What, like a flower garden? Isn’t that the thing the aliens care about? Why do you care?
V: Well, I guess the writer I know wants to know if they succeeded.
4: I was flourishing before and I’m flourishing now. They didn’t succeed at shit. That’s all on me.
Interview 5
V: Can I ask you some questions? It’s because someone I know is writing a book about the aliens.
5: [laughs] You just asked one. Clearly you can do whatever they’ll let you.
V: For my first question, have you talked with any aliens?
5: What’s it to you.
V: I’m getting paid to ask people questions.
5: I fucking hate the aliens. I hate them. Why are you writing a book.
V: I’m not but it’s something or other to do with being mad at them and somehow that’s useful.
5: What? How?
V: I am not the one writing the book.
5: Right. Oh. Wait. I know who you know who writes books.
V: I am not going to pass on anything you tell me that would make him want to retaliate. I am not even going to give him your name. I swear I’m not trying to trap you into getting yourself in trouble.
5: What’s he want to hear?
V: I don’t really understand and there’s no obligation here to use anything you say if it’s counterproductive. Please don’t worry about it.
5: Yeah but what’s he want out of this? You must know something.
V: I didn’t really follow it, I think it’s somehow supposed to hurt the aliens or maybe that’s not true. But I really barely know anything and I swear to you, if you tell me something true and it causes problems for you, I will take responsibility for fixing that. I will make you whole. Somehow.
5: Fine. Whatever. Ask whatever.
V: Okay. Um. Do you wish you were never born?
5: What? Obviously. Why the fuck do you think I haven’t been sober for oh gods I don’t remember.
V: Did you feel that way before the aliens came?
5: Is that what you want to know? Fuck. Come inside, let’s talk privately.
V: Okay.
[pause]
5: Anyway, no, of fucking course I didn’t.
V: What changed?
5: If you haven’t noticed, I’m not telling.
V: I have probably noticed but I’m supposed to get your answer, not mine. Even if it’s the same answer.
5: Yeah but what if you’re wrong?
V: I think what I’m thinking is as bad as it can possibly be.
5: Why are you still doing things.
V: Completely unfounded hope that he’s right that the book will matter. Also I ended up in debt to some aliens and I have to pay it off.
5: [laughs] That sucks.
V: Also it doesn’t feel any better to lie around giving up and drinking too much.
5: Speak for yourself. Fine. You’re really sure you want me to say it?
V: I’m really sure.
5: They fucking own us.
V: How did you come to that conclusion?
5: What, am I wrong?
V: You’re thinking the thing I was thinking but I am, again, here to get your answers, not mine. That means asking stupid questions whose answers I could guess. Do you want anything for your time?
5: Will it really do anything? The book, I mean.
V: I think it might. I know there’s nothing else that might.
5: What was the question?
V: How did you notice they own us?
5: By not being a fucking idiot!
V: I have heard people say we’ve twisted them around in their bragging like the fair folk.
5: They’re not the fair folk. I’ve heard one say a thing they didn’t mean exactly.
V: A shopkeeper?
5: Yeah but don’t you know how they filter those?
V: I don’t.
5: Really, really well or something.
V: Good to know. There is also translation.
5: Yeah and if it’s so bad then why can you twist them up in their words, right? I’m right. You can’t. Anyway, they can do anything and they came in here and wanted to get rid of slavery so they did. Oh and I found out that they, that the meat, you know it comes in packages? The plastic? You know plastic?
V: I’ve seen plastic, yeah.
5: So it turns out, I heard about this just a couple weeks ago, the plastic gets into the water and a woman drinks the water and she has a boy baby then the baby will be kind of… not a boy baby…
V: What the fuck? Can you tell me how you found that out?
5: Went to space! Heard two of them talking to each other about it!
V: I am going to look into that.*
5: They can fix it. The angels can fix it. So now we need them.
V: What the fuck?
5: They make them turn out wrong and then they grow up and cut off what’s left of their balls and live as women.
V: Plastic in the water does that?
5: Or whatever! I guess! They can just do whatever they want to us and we can’t have a next generation without them!
V: Wow. Is it poison to grown men too?
5: They didn’t say so. I don’t know, have you eaten their plastic-wrapped meat yet?
V: Yes! And now I’m worried!
5: Well, if it made your dick fall off, you’d notice.
V: Anyway, let’s keep going for now.
5: Sure. If you want.
V: What in your life has been most worsened since they arrived?
5: Everything.
V: Can you give me an example?
5: Everything.
V: Okay. I have to ask this also, I have a list of these questions, what in your life is the most improved?
5: [laughs] I should fucking die.
V: Won’t even help but you can try it.
5: I don’t want to need their permission to be dead!
V: Yeah. I hate that. Next question. Is there something that could happen now that would convince you you were wrong about all this?
5: Well, maybe if we move the planet to Revelation and we still have sons then and they turn into angels and demons for us. Not that I like needing them to move our planet.
V: I see. And it seems like you noticed all this easily. Is there anything they could’ve done if they were competent at hiding it?
5: They don’t want to hide it.
V: What if they did?
5: Then they’d’ve gotten the plastic into our water some other way and they wouldn’t’ve come in threatening us, they would’ve acted like people doing diplomacy, you know? Like if we wanted to fuck with Niazon and didn’t want them to notice we’d act all friendly.
V: I think they might actually think the shops are friendly.
5: Oh, the shops were a good trick, but they replaced the Star-of-Stars and they came in with all that magic, showing off, they could’ve pretended not to be able to do what they wanted to us or they could’ve not replaced the Star-of-Stars.
V: Oh, actually, they didn’t. I personally did that.
5: Oh, really.
V: I did! There were witnesses!
5: D’you teleport now?
V: Yeah. See? I didn’t get it from Vanda Nossëo, I went to Mîr, you heard of them?
5: Not really. I heard the name.
V: They had this grueling test of character that was really counterintuitive, and once I had proven myself both honorable and merciful I got the teleport from them instead. It’s not as cool as Loki’s but it’s an option.
5: Wait, Loki doesn’t control all the magic?
V: No! Mîr is friendly with Vanda Nossëo so if I took their magic and went to Vanda Nossëo to fight them it’d piss Mîr off so it’s not great but yeah, they’re different countries.
5: Do you want me to ask the obvious thing or not.
V: I think you probably should but you don’t have to.
5: What if Vanda Nossëo attacks us and you defend us?
V: That would also piss Mîr off, probably, but maybe not. They could conceivably declare such a stupid casus belli that Mîr would side against them but as long as they can reasonably say they were doing something to help with universal flourishing somehow then probably Mîr would side with them. But Vanda Nossëo and their allies together still don’t control all the magic, there’s the Shadow Noldor and the Federation, which sort of technically doesn’t have magic but they might as well, and daeva and we could move to Hex and all our kids would be spellbinders but I guess I previously thought that the whole “all our kids” thing was more certain than it turned out to be. Could go to Revelation, summon an angel to get rid of all the plastic—I wonder if they’ll catch us—want to save me some time and go learn summoning and deal with it yourself?
5: Won’t work. They’ll catch me.
V: Good. Make them. Make them own up to what they’ve done and to wanting to hold our sons hostage. Most of their people can’t revolt about it but most of them would be furious and I think a few of them can, actually. Besides, how will they know? You don’t put “because I want to get the plastic out of my water” in the binding, what do they even conjure for? And don’t tell anyone you’ve done it for a year and then what are the odds a precog will catch you?
5: There’ll be more plastic in a year!
V: True. Look, I think this problem is solvable and I also think you, personally, could solve it.
5: If you say so. I’ll think about it.
V: Good. Anyway, for now, next question, what do you hope will happen next?
5: They’ll be so incompetent we can get all their magic, daeva and spellbinders and teleportation and healing and everything, and then we run away to our own planet in our own world and they don’t know where to follow us. Apparently two hops off the map will do it.
V: I bet the Star-of-Stars is working on something like that. Probably trying something else first. Anyway, this is a stupid question but I have to ask it, are you flourishing?
5: No but I will be if I can help you beat the aliens. Fucking aliens. I hate them. Do you know how much I hate them?
V: “We can never truly know even ourselves, let alone each other.” I think I have a guess, though.
5: I hate them so much.
V: Yeah. Have you noticed them being confused or wrong about us?
5: They’re awful.
V: Have you specifically noticed them being awful in that they are confused or wrong about us?
5: They underestimate us, the bastards. You’re right. We’ll get them. We’ll pull through.
V: I hope we do pull through. Are you confused about them?
5: Not really. I think I get it. They’re just like Azan and I understand Azan fine.
*The interviewer reported to me the results of his internet research and I am not seriously concerned but could we not have found out how plastic affects human development any other way?