This post's authors have general content warnings that might apply to the current post.
Accept our Terms of Service
Our Terms of Service have recently changed! Please read and agree to the Terms of Service and the Privacy Policy
Vanda Nossëo comes to Southern Fishing Village
+ Show First Post
Total: 62
Posts Per Page:
Permalink

"I ... really know very little about your worlds, but I have to assume you have theft? Also sometimes people make poor decisions or get possessed. These things don't have to happen very often to be a serious problem, if there are many worlds adjacent to ours."

Permalink

"Theft is extremely rare in Vanda Nossëo because goods are cheap, every citizen gets an unconditional income, and identifying criminals is also cheap."

Permalink

Ganim doesn't say 'well good for Vanda Nossëo' because he is a professional, actually.

"You mentioned earlier that Vanda Nossëo was a federation; what are your criteria for membership?"

Permalink

"A majority vote of the entering polity - a majority of the people in that polity, not just of the votes - agreeing that they want that, and that the polity have and enforce sufficiently firm laws against torture, rape, and murder."

Permalink

"Hmm. That sounds like a low barrier to entry on the face of it. What does 'sufficiently firm' mean?"

And he can give details about the existing laws against all of these things in the city, to see whether they meet the criteria. A more typical þereminian would get lost in the weeds, but Ganim is happy to stick to broad understanding and leave nitpicking to the argumentative assembly.

Permalink

The things that usually trip places up (Tarwë explains) are if they have some kind of underclass whose victimhood isn't considered by law enforcement or some people whose perpetration is above the law - this also trips places up at the voting stage, they have to include children if they have those and slaves if they have those (they will presently stop, part of joining VN is agreeing to the freedom of exit rules) and so on.

Permalink

Ganim is pretty sure they don't have an underclass. There are some laws that are enforced differently for children. Usually in a way that benefits the children, although not always. But 'adults' don't really seem like an underclass.

How does Vanda Nossëo handle suicide when multiple people reside in a body together? They don't actually require every inhabitant of a body to file an affidavit or anything — that would interfere with people's right to pass on the burdens of the world. But it does mean that theoretically a priest could get away with murdering their visitors, if they were willing to take themselves out as well.

Permalink

They don't have a lot of cases of multiple people sharing bodies but they do have other cases of one person relying ontologically on another and there's quite a bit of case law about it. In general they allow suicide but there's some due diligence people are expected to do about it if they have inseparable dependents (they have, like, magical depression treatment and stuff).

Permalink

Magical depression treatment isn't going to stop people committing suicide to avoid the negative effects of old age, but it will probably help a lot with other cases, Ganim notes. So that requirement seems plausibly tolerable. If he gets some paper to transcribe, will they go through the due diligence requirements so he can check them against existing law?

Permalink

Oh curing old age is for most people a day trip to this one place. They have as yet no reason to think that this world makes that complicated, though it's possible it does and they'd need the more expensive solution.

They can go over whatever Ganim finds relevant!

Permalink

... wow, that's going to be popular. And change a lot.

 

Actually, that is the third or fourth time he's been surprised about the capabilities on display here. Can they give him a rundown of what the peoples of Vanda Nossëo can do, in a broad sense? Things on the level of 'remove depression and old age' or 'teleport'. That way he can get all his surprise out of the way at once and actually make a follow-up plan.

Permalink

There are widespread magic songs that have relatively minor effects but can be replicated to play autonomously as much as desired for very cheap. Some people can conjure arbitrary material objects for post-scarcity and forensic purposes. There are people with psychic powers but it's pretty tightly regulated (Vanda Nossëo requires that you let people leave, but you're allowed to keep people out on lots of possible pretexts and that's a popular one). There are pricey magic items that can make their wearers smarter. There's a place where you can make wishes - that's not technically Vanda Nossëo but it's a sister polity they work very closely with, and it's only not formally part of it because they run their infrastructure on the wishes thing and stick to the area where it works. There's precogs, who only work while they are in their neighborhood but can act on information sent into that neighborhood and send information out of it. The old age thing is because there's a world where you can do shapeshifting and people use that for other purposes also. There are both magical and technological robots. There's lots and lots of relatively niche stuff.

Total: 62
Posts Per Page: