After finishing lunch, Ocett makes her way out and sends in an engineer.

R'vneh is happy to speak with an engineer. Her design attempts to use Cardassian-standard components and measurements, and a resonance chamber made out of psi-reactive materials, allowing it to amplify emotions to the point that they can be detected. R'vneh would like the engineer's input on the feasibility of the design, and assistance on acquiring the components.

Great! Pirak is an engineer, and excited to work with psionics. She may struggle to source a sufficient density of psi-reactive material for the current design.

Can't they just get some organic quasicrystals?

"Well, that's not translating right, so it's not a concept in Cardassi. Tell me more about them, we might be able to find them."

"You can get some basic efficacy out of materials like carbon fiber or graphene, but I'd rather use irllium-infused bio-organic substrate or psi-lensed diamond if we can source them. If there's nothing better I could retool the model for use with a micro-black-hole?"

"Oh, of course. Irillium-infused substrates are commonly used in starship construction, they're excellent at deflecting radiation, also highly radioactive on their own, but there are many other kinds of radiation which are harder to shield from and much more disruptive."

"Perfect! Though obviously we will want to shield the device to be safe in testing. What density do you think you can manage? I have some numbers here on the amplification ratio I want to target..."

R'vneh is happy to discuss the exact details of the design with engineer Pirak. If replicators can enable it, she'd like to get a test model completed today or tomorrow.

If all goes well they can have a prototype tomorrow morning.

Good. Is there anything further the Cardassian government would like to discuss about, in the meantime? R'vneh thinks she has a bit more local context, and would like to hear more about how Cardassians view themselves, and their relations with other nearby worlds. They seem remarkably non-alien, by T'Khasan predictions. What's up with that?

The government would be interested to hear her thoughts on war, from a philosophical perspective, any insights she may have on desert agriculture, and obviously her own history.

The Union has been heavily put upon in recent years, with famines, wars, and the Bajoran rebellion. The past few years have been focused on recovery and dealing with a terrorist movement on the outskirts of Union space, part of the legacy of the latest war. An individual Cardassian is nothing but a cog within the great machine that is the State, and for several centuries now that machine has been dedicated to expanding its power and resources to more worlds. There is a growing philosophical movement suggesting that the Union has expanded as far as it can for now and needs to be refocused onto a new goal. Many of these philosophers recommend "self-maintenance," as the next project for the State. Better developing the resources the State already possesses should prevent similar problems from recurring, but we'll need to stop being targeted by hostile forces for a few years before we can put such theories into practice.

And, well, depending on what R'vneh means by that last question, there's a lot of answers. Cardassians and Romulans tend to understand each other better than most other species, and it seems as if Romulan society is a fairly direct descendant of T'Khasan society, so it may mostly be a matter of coincidence. There are some theories that alien societies that develop under similar circumstances end up similar in a lot of ways that don't seem like they should be correlated. Aquatic races, like the Zaldans and Moneans tend to have a deep opposition to lying.

"Cardassian history sounds remarkably familiar to me. Jaleyl, too, had begun to slow its pace of expansion and consider other strategies, though at a somewhat smaller scale. But it is very convenient for me, at least, to end up on an alien world with so little culture shock. Is your relationship with Romulans relevant to me turning up within your territory? I have not yet heard from you many of the details surrounding my body's discovery."

"Oh, of course."

"The Romulans were not actually involved in that project. Three years ago, our military gave up possession of Bajor, and within a matter of weeks a stable wormhole appeared in their system, leading to a near completely uncharted quadrant of the galaxy. Several of the major powers in the quadrant started exploration and mapping missions, you were discovered on one such mission, when your pod was recovered as a geological sample. The Obsidian Order took charge of you when the mission returned to Union space, and my team is still working on decrypting the Order's research results, but they were very good at encryption."

"Another quadrant of the galaxy? Do you know how far I was found from T'Khasi? My ship used an engine of uncertain maximum velocity. Your talk of interstellar empires suggests the more optimistic theories were correct, but I doubt the drive outperformed to the degree a different quadrant would imply."

"Interesting, I would like to hear more about that engine."

"Ah, but you were found 67,530 light years from Vulcan, which did imply to us that you had encountered some sort of subspace phenomena. After this long, it is hard to say what precisely."

"Far indeed, then! The ship used an experimental singularity drive, but it certainly could not travel at thirty times lightspeed. It had only even passed light at all in the most rarefied of laboratory conditions. How do your own ships travel?"

A singularity drive? It sounds increasingly like our dear Romulan friends remember more of their past than they are willing to admit to...

"Ah, yes. Warp drive is technically a piece of military technology, a rather vital one. In the abstract though, matter and antimatter are combined through a medium, which creates electro-plasma. The electro-plasma is then pressurized and directed to create a protective bubble around the ship, and a ripple in spacetime that the ship rides."

"Interesting! I wouldn't think that a matter-antimatter reaction could create a spacetime distortion powerful enough to ride without also blowing up your ship. Though I suppose I have some reason to think my own culture's engine was not as safe as we hoped it to be."

"At this point it is a well established technology, there are still experiments being done with it, but most are dedicated to passing the warp limit, which seems an arbitrary restriction on speed. However, no currently spacefaring people has passed it, with the exception of certain highly specific circumstances involving outside forces."

"It can also blow up the ship, but that happens very rarely outside of combat."

"I'd be interested in hearing more about that. Jaleyl was not familiar with any particular limitation on speed in distorted space, merely with the overwhelming practical difficulties involved in moving beyond the speed of light."

And in time the conversation will circle back to Cardassia's questions for R'vneh.

The Jaleyli perspective on war is one of weighed costs. Small, warring tribes are wasteful. They destroy capital faster than they produce it, they get their most talented individuals killed in combat faster than they can train more. Cities are better, able to grow in ways that last, able to pass on their best techniques through multiple generations. Cities that are capable of trade with each other do better still, able to leverage scale and comparative advantage to push towards projects that can't be better-attempted by a single particularly-skilled individual.

R'vneh's father discovered early that wartorn tribes are a liability to the survival of the entire species, and he began to forcefully unite them into a sustainable and safe nation. The benefits were obvious, and the wars proceeded until his home continent had no independent tribes and few independent cities. This permitted them a life expectancy eight times higher than in the original tribes, and a national crime rate a third as high per capita as the average T'Khanan city. As of R'vneh's departure, most of the world had managed to come as far as cities on their own, but the cities were waging more-useless wars against each other. Many cities would fight over access to specific resource reserves like lakes or trade routes, or just over serious disagreements like philosophical affiliation. Since the cities rarely ended up politically merged afterwards, R'vneh feels they had no mitigating value.

Jaleyl also had a policy of not invading anywhere that was even plausibly well-run. Independent cities like ShiKahr were able to maintain their own technological base and trade with Jaleyl, and Sudoc preferred to avoid damaging their sovereignty when they weren't actively attacking. Though they often did attack, and needed to be put down or subsumed. R'vneh herself is mostly trained in governance at a city scale. It sounds like Cardassia has less of an issue with sporadic and piecemeal rebellions, so perhaps they have better insight into planetary management and peacekeeping.

As has been mentioned, the Cardassian goal in war has long been resource acquisition. Ocett's own parents have stories about going hungry during the famines eighty years ago, before the occupation of Bajor began.

Most Cardassian expansion before reaching Bajor had been simple colonization efforts or trade agreements, with no real need for military action, but the Bajorans were in chaos. They had a spiritual government and a secular government that were constantly at odds and prevented each other from ever taking action, the Union initially wanted to engage in trade, and the secular government agreed quickly. The spiritual government immediately started interfering with the fulfillment of terms to such an extent that the secular government requested aid in restoring supply lines, the military agreed on the condition that they become a member world of the Union, and they accepted.

The Occupation took far longer than anyone expected, and consumed almost as many resources as it generated. While the Union was at war with the Federation, the casualty rates on the front lines were almost the same as they were on Bajor to the Resistance.

"I certainly hope that it would have worked better at a smaller scale."

Disappointing that these issues still occur amongst the stars, but none of this is fundamentally confusing to R'vneh. T'Khasi, unfortunately, did not have a comprehensive solution to the difficulty of growing lots of food on very dry planets. She'd be happy to go over their notes on efficient water-harvesting and hydroponics farms that don't lose significant moisture to the atmosphere and so on, but obviously their ongoing wars are a more serious concern. What's Ocett's personal or civilian perspective on the current wars, if she doesn't have permission to present the details yet?

"Well, the Klingons claim to have invaded because they didn't believe our government could have transitioned as quickly and safely as it did without interference from the Dominion. To an outsider, this may seem reasonable, the Founders are talented shapeshifters, and they have infiltrated the Federation's government. However, at that time, the Founder moved quickly to attempt to involve the Federation and the Tzenkethi Coalition in another war. Given the common feeling after the Battle of the Omarion Nebula, when the Order was lost, and the fact that we have been strongly on a defensive footing, most citizens doubt that we have been infiltrated."

"We are somewhat more careful with operational security than the other major powers in the quadrant."

"Since the initial attack from the Klingons, additional losses have been small, although they are a constant threat to interstellar shipping lanes, and have been gradually expanding their claims on Union territories. They have also declared war on everyone else in the quadrant, so most Cardassians are not concerned about them in the long term."

"The Klingons are concerned about shapeshifters substituting themselves for your administrative officials? Do they rely on appearance to determine the integrity and validity of orders? Do you rely on appearance to determine the integrity and validity of orders?"