"I mean, we can, that's what we did, but he could-- he could extend the obsidian down to bedrock to make it more difficult, he could use a composter to check the ground for tunnels, he could hire people to supervise us, he could kill us and take our stuff before we get a chance to get very far, he could kill Tommy and I for real if he catches us outside the borders, he's been-- if he's been planning for this possibility he probably has even more ideas than that, I just-- I just started thinking about this a couple minutes ago and I can still think of ways he could hurt us."

This is not good, but people are discussing material reality and not arguing and this is a start. "In the days, what preparations could we get done? Could we build food farms, xp farms, an enchanter?"

“It depends what people have on them, honestly. Food farms... I mean, probably? I doubt anyone’s carrying seeds around but we can kill skeletons, bonemeal grass, try to get seeds that way, and some people might have potatoes or carrots or something else replantable. It won’t have as good of saturation as steak or golden apples, and we don’t have unlimited space, but we can probably manage to not starve, and if anyone has dirt we can make at least a little more space. No to XP farms, there aren’t any spawners here, or animals we could breed and kill, or… much of anything, really. Enchanting room… we could probably get one set up but it’d be a project, and I don’t know how useful it’d be without an XP farm— I guess we can all get level one enchantments at least?

I still think this is a bad idea. Dream can— Dream can kill us.”

"How much is Dream's ability to kill us all a question of resources versus a question of raw skill. I'm aware he's good, but how much can we level the playing field with numbers and resources.

Sieges are awful but they are winnable."

“It’s— both? We could probably take him if he had less resources than us and there was a definite way to win, we’ve done it before, but with the resources here we might be able to get as many resources as him if we’re lucky. And he’s almost definitely going to win an even fight, especially with the high ground like he has. We can get more people but so can he— he can get Punz, Purpled, Sapnap, maybe George and Karl. And the fights we’ve won in the past against him were always— it’s a lot easier to get an item to a location than it is to get someone to leave if they don’t want to.”

“We won the Independence War.”

“We won the independence war because you gave him your discs, Tommy. Because you were willing to sacrifice something.”

"You know him better than I do-- what's the likelihood he would get bored, or decide a siege isn't worth his time?"

“I… don’t know. He gets bored easily, he’s bad at staying still—he’s actually kind of like Tommy like that?—but he doesn’t… When he does focus on things, he’s scary about them, he doesn’t do anything else. And I don’t think he’d go back on a threat until he felt like we’d been taught our lesson.”

"With a siege-- both sides have to expend resources to stay in the fight. The besieged party is likely to run out sooner, because they can't get outside resources, but the besieging party can still run out of resources first, especially if they're not careful and they aren't at their home base. I do not know enough about this situation to say what our chances are." Because that's kinder than I don't like our chances.

“If he runs out of resources he can just— get more. I don’t even know if he has a home base.”

"--That's not ideal."

“Yeah.” Tubbo laughs, high and hysterical. “We almost— we were so close to getting out of this.”

"It's not over yet. There might still be a way out of this."

“Do you have one? Do any of you, do any of you, have a way of getting out of this?”

“We could— we could team with Technoblade.”

“Does anyone have ideas that aren’t colossally stupid.”

"Is there a reason we shouldn't? I do not know him but-- the situation is desperate."

“The last time we saw Technoblade he was shooting everyone who was part of a government and threatening to raze L’Manberg to the ground. He’s retired now and I don’t think getting him out of retirement is really the best idea right now.”

“Right! Right, what does Technoblade hate, Technoblade hates government. He hates power. And what is Dream trying to do, Dream’s trying to establish a, a mega-government, where everyone has to do whatever he wants. Techno can, Techno can handle small governments existing, he’s in retirement and all, but you think he’ll be happy about a fuckin’ mega-government? It’s perfect.”

“This feels like a bad idea.”

"I think Dream would be able to argue he is acting as an individual more than you are."

“What— but—”

“Right. So. Like I said, any other ideas.”

"Would Dream accept someone else being exiled?"