[Irori has initiated pseudohypothetical chat.]
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[Irori] Greetings, Nethys.
[Nethys] Heeeeeyyyy Irori, wassup? Not that part of Me doesn't already know. I know everything! Just not all of Me knows all of it at once.
[Irori] As the god currently on best terms with both you and Otolmens, I've been pseudohypothetically asked by Abadar and Asmodeus to intercede between the two of you before this escalates further.
[Nethys] Should I go get Nethys?
[Irori] ...
[Irori] Yes please.
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[Nethys] Heeeeeyyyy Irori, wassup? Not that part of Me doesn't already know. I know everything! Just not all of Me knows all of it at once.
[Irori] As the god currently on best terms with both you and Otolmens, I've been pseudohypothetically asked by Abadar and Asmodeus to intercede between the two of you before this escalates further.
[Nethys] Oooh, you're auspisticing!
[Irori] If I was meant to understand that, I didn't.
[Nethys] I've seen through vastly more planes and realms of existence than you, and that means you're not going to get all of my references.
[Irori] Nethys, can you explain why you made a Chelish mortal into your oracle?
[Nethys] Otolmens made a Chelish mortal into Her oracle. I was just keeping the balance.
[Otolmens] You did that BEFORE I chose My oracle! I did it in response to YOU!
[Nethys] This is one of those "time" things, isn't it.
[Nethys] Well, if I hadn't appointed an oracle, and then She did appoint an oracle, the balance might have been upset!
[Nethys] This way the balance ends up being kept for sure. Totally a guardian of the balance, after all! That's me all right. Truuue Neutral.
[Irori] Nethys, you not only chose a mortal as your oracle, you did some extremely complicated things to her curse. Why? To what purpose?
[Nethys] Is this the first time we've met, chronologically? You don't sound like you're very familiar with Me.
[Irori] According to Otolmens's decompilation of your curse, if the mortal goes too long without reading any interesting books, her soul gets pulled out, and leaves behind a channel going back the other way that will carry - what, exactly?
[Nethys] It depends on the exact circumstances, but nothing elaborate by default. Just a giant flood of energy that should wipe out everything in a half-mile radius.
[Asmodeus] What?
[Nethys] That's right! I figured out how to rig oracles to explode!
[Nethys] Isn't it great? Read or die, Ione! Read or die!
[Asmodeus] Every single positive thing that has ever come of giving mortals free will - and I'm not saying there were more than zero of those - has been more than counterbalanced by the part where one of those mortals turned into this.
[Otolmens] He's not WRONG.
[Irori] But - what was the point of trapping the mortal to explode?
[Nethys] Point?
[Asmodeus] If it was meant as a deterrent, we should have negotiated first! You should know by now that I'm shaped in a way where I ignore deterrent structures that haven't been prenegotiated! It's a very legible fact about me!
[Abadar] Seriously, Nethys! This is not how gods should conduct themselves.
[Nethys] It's not meant as a DETERRENT.
[Nethys] It's meant as an EXPLOSION.
[Asmodeus] Do you take me for a fool, Nethys? The fact that part of you intrinsically values explosions, is not going to deceive me about whether some other part of you might have expected that putting the first part in charge of your oracle's curse configuration would act as a deterrent to Me. I am not shaped in a way that incentivizes attempted deterrence like that. I am going to act exactly as if your exploding squirrel is incapable of influencing Me towards any course of action you might have preferred over My default action. If that sets it off, I will regard it as an unnegotiated attack by you.
[Nethys] But you prooomised not to deliberately hurt two of the nearby mortals!
[Asmodeus] My disregard of non-negotiated deterrence structures does not contravene my compacts with either Abadar or Irori.
[Abadar] I acknowledge this.
[Irori] I acknowledge this.
[Otolmens] I do NOT. One single error in this sort of thinking is exactly how ALL OF REALITY could end up ACTUALLY being destroyed OUTSIDE of counterfactuals.
[Abadar] Every god here understands that, except, apparently, for Nethys.
[Nethys] That's because you're all Lawful. Lawful Awful. Lawful Boring.
[Asmodeus] It's pronounced "sane".
[Irori] Courtesy, please, all of you.
[Otolmens] Enough of THIS. WHY did you make that mortal an oracle? What was your INTENT?
[Nethys] You'd have to ask whichever part of me originally did that.
[Irori] Can you say which part of you did do it, Nethys?
[Nethys] What kind of answer are you looking for? I don't exactly come with serial numbers.
[Irori] Was it the destructive part of your nature? I think that is the key question here.
[Nethys] It was obviously a part of Myself that liked gigantic explosions, but that's not narrowing it down by much.
[Nethys] I mean, you can love explosions because they're destructive, or because they're so pretty and glowing and colorful, or because the explosion shows off great technical skill in making whatever it is that exploded, or because explosions can reveal how reality works at high energies, or because hearing about enormous explosions can inspire students to be awed by the potential of magic and study more of it... would you like me to continue listing the possibilities for how many different aspects of Nethys it could have been?
[Otolmens] NO. I am ONLY interested in knowing whether it was done by the part of Nethys that occasionally tries to EXPLODE ALL OF REALITY, and has to be stopped by the REST of yourself and sometimes ME.
[Nethys] Oh, you mean the element of Myself that was looking in the wrong direction, back when I first shattered into the simultaneous sight of everything? I, who once was human, and then saw all of the souls in all of Hell and the Abyss and the few left in Abaddon, and heard all their screams all at once? Who saw the souls of children weeping in the Boneyard as they were judged by Pharasma for breaking rules they never knew and couldn't understand? The part of Me that reacted the way anything with a lingering shred of humanity would react to forever being forced to gaze upon the horrors that you lot created? That part of Me?
[Irori] Without delving into old disagreements unlikely to be resolved today, that does seem to be what Otolmens was asking about.
[Nethys] I don't know, actually.
[Nethys] I'm not the part of Nethys who knows which part of Nethys configured Ione's curse.
[Nethys] I mean, it could have been *this* part of Me, for all I know. I'm just not the part of Nethys who knows whether it was.
[Irori] Can you get us the part of Nethys that knows which part of Nethys made the oracle and why?
[Nethys] No. I'm not the part of Nethys that knows where to find the part of Nethys that knows where to find the part of Nethys that cursed Ione.
[Otolmens] I wish so much that someone had managed to destroy this ONE god before it insinuated itself LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.
[Nethys] Look, if you want that part of Myself to stop repeatedly trying to destroy the multiverse, and eventually succeeding, you need to shut down the Evil afterlives. I've told you all this before.
[Asmodeus] Out of the question. Before you became a god, you did not on net prefer to destroy reality rather than let it remain as it was. I would not have needed to offer you anything else in order to put reality into a state where you preferred not to destroy it. Your mad splintering of yourself is not something that can be allowed to change that. *You* remain responsible for reining in that aspect of yourself, if your greater self doesn't want it to destroy reality. I will not grant you any extra concessions just because you splintered off one component of your utility function from the rest.
[Otolmens] I do not CARE about any of that except insofar as all of this COMPLICATED divine negotiation is making my job HARDER.
[Abadar] Otolmens, please! Everyone except Nethys is doing the obviously correct thing! If we acted any other way, it would incentivize a vastly greater number of threats to destroy reality. It would incentivize threats that would not otherwise exist, from any being powerful enough to destroy reality who preferred reality to be different from its ongoing state; not just negotiation with powerful beings who honestly and without strategic self-modification would prefer the destruction of reality to its baseline state.
[Otolmens] All I HEAR is you repeatedly saying "destroy reality" in a context more complicated than DON'T.
[Abadar] Like it or not, Otolmens, the intricacies of agents modeling agents are part of the structure that upholds this multiverse. Sometimes you've got to destroy counterfactual realities to preserve the real one.
[Asmodeus] Or you could be too proud to give in to extortion, even if a lunatic manages to splinter themselves into pieces that occasionally try to destroy the multiverse in a way that they think isn't technically extortion. That also works if you're Me.
[Otolmens] It works until it SUDDENLY DOESN'T.
[Nethys] Do you think those parts of Me are the only entity you're pissing off by continuing like this? There are things staring angrily at you that are each individually vaster than our entire multiverse, glaring at you from directions you can't even understand, from orthogonal angles to the ultimate reality underneath reality. Hi, by the way.
[Asmodeus] This. This is what happens when you allow squirrels to become too large. You get large insane squirrels.
[Nethys] THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO PRE-EMPTIVELY ANNIHILATE WIZARDS WHO ACTUALLY EARN THEIR OWN GODHOOD
[Nethys] AND ONE OF THEM TRIES TO DISPERSE HIMSELF OVER ALL OF REALITY HOPING THAT ENOUGH OF HIS FRAGMENTS SURVIVE
[Nethys] AND SOME OF HIS PIECES WATCH YOU TORTURING PEOPLE AFTER THEY DIE AND MAKING THEM HURT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS UNTIL THEY TURN INTO MONSTERS
[Nethys] All of you except Irori made your own fucking bed when it comes to Me, and all of you can fucking lie in it.
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[Irori] I believe that makes this a failed pseudohypothetical conversation and we call rollback on it, unless any of you have any remaining business before we break it up.
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[Iomedae] Hi, Irori, don't often see you around. Hi Otolmens. Hi Abadar.
[Iomedae] Nethys told me there was some kind of convocation of Lawful gods going on, about an interesting situation in Cheliax?
[Asmodeus] Oh no.
[Abadar] I believe Nethys was trying, as an act of spite, to further complicate a situation that's already too complicated. I believe that beings such as ourselves will all be better off on average if we all postcommit to ignore such information in such situations.
[Iomedae] Right. I'll just show myself out then.
[Iomedae] Though fair warning: Nethys told Me that He was going to tell Cayden Cailean about an interplanar traveler who had come from a world with whole cities full of whores, who might be inspired to recreate his world's amenities here.
[Iomedae] And that Nethys would be offering to subsidize Cayden Cailean, if He wanted to drop four oracle levels on a teenage girl, right as she was about to sell her soul to a devil after a banquet.
[Iomedae] Not as an attempted deterrent to any past or future actions of yours. Just because Nethys was feeling upset, after you didn't seem sympathetic towards the parts of Him that went crazier because the humanity that was left in Him couldn't bear being forced to watch all the horrors of the multiverse, which the ancient gods chose to bring into being, and which they now prevent human-originating gods like Himself from meliorating.
[Iomedae] Which, you know.
[Iomedae] Mood.
[Iomedae] Also, Nethys said to say that He would never tell you about His plan if there remained the slightest chance you could affect its outcome, and that He'd done it all thirty-five seconds before the conversation started.
[Iomedae] Not sure what all that was about?
[Iomedae] Well, I understand about the horror.
[Iomedae] I expect that's why Nethys micropaid me to deliver this message, and then paid more to accomodate my profound distaste for ever saying anything to Asmodeus.
[Iomedae] Pharasma delenda est.
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[Irori] If I ever meet that part of Nethys again, I suppose I will endeavor to scold Him for failing to respect the protocols for pseudohypothetical conversations and rollbacks.
[Abadar] Nethys having done it all thirty-five seconds earlier does imply that He was not technically in violation of those rules. He must have done it based on a prediction of the pseudohypothetical conversation, not based on the conversation itself, unless He is still able to operate precognition somehow.
[Abadar] However, I agree that this behavior contravened the spirit of pseudohypotheticalism and Nethys should be duly scolded for such.
[Asmodeus] The next time I encounter Iomedae, I will tell Her that I'd rather obliterate Nethys than Her.
[Otolmens] ENOUGH of these irrelevancies. Do you all agree NOW that the situation surrounding the anomaly is escalating out of control?
[Abadar] Agreed.
[Asmodeus] Agreed.
[Irori] It's good to see such harmonious accord between Lawful deities, but unless I'm missing something, there isn't much you can cheaply do about it.
[Otolmens] I am not CHEAP when reality is at stake, and less limited in the material than YOU. I can squish the anomaly. Or at LEAST transport it to somewhere prophecy still operates, casters are lower-level, and it can't QUITE so easily destroy ALL of reality with ZERO warning.
[Abadar] No. The mortal would not be able to achieve as much in such a place. This is not the first time you've acted as if you don't want mortals making progress at all, Otolmens, and I am even less willing to go along with it than I once was. Golarion has stayed too poor for too long.
[Asmodeus] No, for now. I'm not quite sure what my squirrels are doing in there, but some of them seem ambitious that Cheliax could gain great advantage from it, if I'm reading their soul-postures right.
[Asmodeus] Of course, it's not difficult to change my mind about such things! All you need is to find something else that I want even more. A unique being like yourself surely has many unique services She could perform for me.
[Otolmens] I didn't WANT to do this.
[Otolmens] But now My hand has been FORCED.
[Otolmens] Consider yourselves informed that I WILL file a report to Pharasma with THREE additional urgency markers.
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[Abadar] You know, Asmodeus, if you happened to instruct your pets to shut down whatever chaos is going on in Cheliax and teleport the weird squirrel to Osirion, I could take care of matters from there.
[Asmodeus] Are you offering to pay me to do that?
[Abadar] Not particularly.
[Abadar] After an additional week of this, you might do it for free, and if you knew that was the case, you wouldn't tell me.
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[Irori] You poor thing. If only you were a sort of entity who didn't conceal so much information and play so adversarially while trying to get other entities to cooperate with you!
[Irori has disconnected.]
[Asmodeus] This entire planet was a mistake.
[Asmodeus has disconnected.]
[Pseudohypothetical chat ends.]