After a bit of silence, relaxing again, mentally leaning into the massage, and yes, very briefly poking some internal curiosity about what exactly it is that is Pilar's obligate fetish precisely speaking, Keltham returns to contemplating more sexual questions.
How does he feel about renting Carissa out?
...mostly he's still getting a WHAT from his brain.
Can he evaluate it concretely rather than abstractly?
Not without having actually met the Queen of Cheliax at all.
Okay, but, Keltham does know some people. He even knows some female people, in case this is a polarized gendertrope with respect to the renting individual. How does Keltham feel about renting Carissa to his max-mutual-wordcount coauthor from his fic-circle back in dath ilan, who happens to possess the requisite parts?
...sad about never writing anything with her again, also, she's proooobably not a sadist like at all(??), also, maybe it actually is not a terribly good idea to think right now about people who believe he's Truly Dead.
Keltham knows some female people inside a totally different universe that is not that universe. He doesn't know them very well but he can ask himself the concrete question anyways. What if he were to rent Carissa to, say, Tonia Barrero, in repayment of the debt he owes her for an unexpected, un-volunteered-in-advance, at-best-semi-consensual truthspelling?
...
Still file not found, here, he doesn't know Tonia well enough.
Keltham knows what to do in this cognitive situation! For purposes of testing this function, keep supplying imaginary values to the Tonia structure until he can complete the function call! If at any point he gets a negative result he can then tweak values to see if there's any value that produces a positive result instead, and then he'll also know what properties he's looking for!
Let Tonia be a sadist, but, like, a young sadist who's only slightly more experienced there than Keltham, and in no danger of providing Carissa with an unforgettable experience less forgettable than other experiences she's already had, thereby causing Carissa to leave him for Tonia who is the superior sadist...
...actually Keltham is not sure he really needs this part of the spec, Carissa's current attraction to him is not because Keltham is a supersadist, and therefore it is Perfectly Pseudo-Reasonable that you can't steal Carissa from him by being a better supersadist. Alas, that which is Perfectly Pseudo-Reasonable is not always Perfectly Reasonable. Anyways, fix the current values at favorable ones to see if this function returns 'false' even under quite favorable circumstances.
Tonia can hurt Carissa slightly more than Keltham, but not threateningly so; she can't give Carissa an orgasm due to Carissa's eroLARP character arc posing a sex problem, so Tonia's not threateningly better than him there. And if Tonia was, Keltham could always just tell Carissa she's not allowed... okay something reacted to that inside him, that didn't react to hearing about the magical-item Belt of No Touch. Possibly because in this case there was any reason for it, and that made the scenario more real.
Or say mostly, in this scenario, Carissa is being rented to Tonia in order to provide Tonia with not-necessarily-reciprocated pleasure just like if Tonia had bought a sex worker in dath ilan. Suppose Carissa doesn't hate it - Keltham's Carissamodel is now complaining that he is not supposed to check this and that offends her dignity of being harder to hurt than that, well, sorry, Carissamodel, that is not what Keltham is optimizing right now. Carissa even manages to have a moderately fun time because Tonia hurts her some and reacts in a way that makes Carissa feel pride in her own sexual skills and it... actually matters to her that Keltham told her to do it? Postulating this part feels hard; Keltham is not himself a Carissa and he is not sure what it is like on the inside to be a Carissa.
Keltham thinks he is at least not obviously not-okay with this whole sort of thing? It feels a lot like asking, in an ordinary relationship, how you would feel about your partner going out for a night with somebody else who'd been like 'yeah screw flirting what's your monetary price'. He wouldn't have objected to that back in dath ilan, he wasn't that monogamous with anyone.
...that these feel like similar questions, probably reflects Keltham failing to get to grips with the actual gendertrope here. Isidre seemed to think this should not feel like the same gendertrope as sex work, even if it had similar gender ratios.
For one thing, Keltham was aromantic back in dath ilan because he is a romantically obligate sadist, or at least the very first masochist he ran into was the first person he ever started feeling at all like he needed something from her that was about it being from her and didn't funge with things he could possibly get from somewhere else.
How would Keltham feel about Carissa trading herself to somebody for - one unskilled-labor-week is, like 1.2gp or so? Let's say 2gp, Carissa is hot.
Parts of Keltham are not happy with this. Because Carissa is his? Because Keltham is insecure about whether that would mean Carissa still liked him more than she likes anybody else? Because Keltham is supposed to give permission first? Keltham doesn't know.
But if Keltham orders Carissa to do it? For whatever reason?
- then that's okay. Possibly. At least if all the other call values are set to Imaginary Tonia settings.
And with likely settings on the Queen of Cheliax, rather than favorable settings on Tonia? If, in exchange for an ultimately insignificant symbolic amount of money, and with at least some pressure on the side to deny a trope and perhaps the entire theory of tropism, Carissa is rented to Abrosomething Thrune? Older than Carissa, with the same de facto ability to chain her for real if she really wanted (assuming that Keltham did not object, which he would), probably a much much more experienced sadist than Keltham, with access to far more powerful sex toys that are the equivalent of overpowered vibrators with biofeedback functions and, yes, the ability to make Carissa come.
...it's not quite an obvious 'no'. It basically depends, Keltham is pretty sure, on whether Keltham is afraid that Carissa can be taken away from him by somebody being a better sadist to her, than he can be for a while yet. If somebody is the more skillful manipulator of masochism, of, what did Isidre call it, submission, can they steal away Carissa's feelings from him? The threat of giving Carissa an orgasm, the threat of also having potential absolute-power over her, seem less real than that.
Keltham's hindbrain, which may, of course, be entirely factually wrong about everything, intuits that it is basically not possible to steal Carissa by giving her a good-enough orgasm. Hurting her, maybe, understanding the deep keys to her sexuality that Keltham is still struggling with; but not with humanly reasonable amounts of pleasure short of dangerous drugs.
And as for the absolute-power threat, in part, it doesn't feel as real because Keltham has not internalized a model of whatever it is that Carissa has inside her. But also, it's impossible for two people to both have potential absolute-power over someone. If they came into conflict, after all, only one of them could get their way. So long as that person would be Keltham, rather than the Queen of Cheliax, everything would be fine, right? It just has to be clear to Carissa that if Keltham and the Queen fought over her, Keltham would be the one to end up with her; if that's true, the keys to her sexuality would be safe.
...not that Keltham is thinking that he can, like, wield more political power inside Cheliax than its own Nearly Unilateral Chief Executive. But the Queen of Cheliax has to be sensible and consider things like political capital with the Church of Asmodeus, while Keltham can be much less sensible and walk out on Cheliax if the Queen steals his girl from him. It shouldn't be about power alone, Keltham doesn't think; differential willingness to use power should be an acceptable coin to Carissa's sexuality. It controls who would actually end up with her, if it came to that.
Keltham's not willing, not today, to bargain a probabilistic or absolute walkout on Cheliax, in order to tell the government of Cheliax to hand Carissa over to him in-legal-reality, to say that he considers her a necessary part of his gains-from-trade.
Telling Cheliax that he considers Carissa a necessary part of his gains-from-trade and he'll walk out if the Queen steals her, either by kidnapping her, or by renting her from Keltham but then giving her an experience that shifts her romantic focus away from Keltham to the Queen? She's Keltham's, the Queen can't have her except temporarily?
Sure! That, he feels totally willing to do.
Carissa would... probably find that hot? Keltham's Carissamodel confidently finds it very hot if Keltham actually wins at it, but Keltham is not entirely confident in his Carissamodel.
Well, at least Keltham should definitely win? He can't really see any functional Chief Executive being like 'lol no I'm gonna take Carissa and watch you walk out on Cheliax', and even if the Queen wanted to, her advisors would stop her. She's an overly-Good person in an overly-Good government that has to be stopped by Asmodeus from resorting to outright mind control when it looks like that might be for the greater good of the country. Keltham isn't pure Evil, sure, but he's not that Good, which means he should win this particular contest.
Of course, that's only if people are running on sanity. If the Queen is running on tropes, she'll try to steal Carissa no matter how bad it would be for Cheliax if she succeeded... but then if those events are running on tropes, it's impossible to win Carissa's true love-sexuality without winning a fight for real power over her, the Queen should ultimately fail to do that after making worrying progress, and then end up kicked up out of Cheliax and/or harem-recruited.
Anyways, he's got enough of an answer that his next step is to ask Isidre to meet again and check his model of how all this works. Or ask Carissa? He kind of wants to ask Isidre first, before he tries to talk with Carissa; Isidre is more willing to be legible, and nothing blows up if he says the wrong thing in front of her.