"That's good. - sorry, I didn't mean to upset you -"

"Eh. I'm already pretty concerned about, uh, all of your peoples."

"In Osirion it's very rare."

"Yeah, I'm concerned about you for different reasons."

"This life is a hard one for lots of people."

"Yeah. I guess so."

"It's - better that people be free, even if they aren't always responsible with that freedom. I'm sure it must not sound that obvious when you hear what they do with it."

" - no, I still want to be free. A lot. I just - I guess I'd thought Liars were better than the Alteri, from our own perspective. At least when it came to things like families. That the societies we created when free would sound less horrific, at least to us."

"I think - to some people it wouldn't sound horrific, it'd make them very happy, is the thing."

"It - seems like a much worse way of dealing with babies than ours."

"Yes. But - I don't think you should expect yours to persist, honestly, when people are free. Maybe it will."

"I guess maybe not? It just seems - I don't understand why people would default to things that are so much worse. And then - I keep periodically thinking that maybe we're just awful on our own and I should be glad for the Alteri, but - it's awful at home, too, really, it's - "

"I don't think it's ever been the will of the good gods that people be slaves. It's not - it's not the worst thing that should happen, and honestly we should check what afterlives they're getting before we do anything for sure, but - I don't think it's the way things are meant to be for you."

"I don't know if we actually get afterlives."

Nod. "I don't know either. But we should check. If you're all making Axis right now - well, we should know that before we change things, anyway."

"I guess it's good to know more things.

"What does Axis do with broken people, do you know?"

" - I don't know quite what you mean. Lots of slaves go to Axis."

"People who were - metaphorically pushed wrong, and who don't work right anymore. Like the thing where - we have a class of slave where eventually all of the members go crazy and kill themselves? But I don't mean just that, I mean, like, people who stop talking, or people whose feelings aren't hooked up right anymore, or people who don't do anything besides rock in a corner and follow orders, or - it's great if your afterlives are great, I'm just wondering what happens to people who go there and don't remember how to live."

"I know that healing spells work on some of those things, but I don't know about all of them. Axis is made up of millions of human societies, and I expect them to be very different in what they do for people who arrive in a state of great need. - killing yourself is Evil, though if it's out of madness it might be different."

"What, always? Why?"

"Taking an innocent life is almost always evil. People are meant to - have their full shot in this world, even though this world is very terrible, before they reach the next one."

"It makes sense that killing other people is evil. I guess I just - feel like there are a lot of situations where people kill themselves that don't strike me as evil. Tragic, sure. Tragic that they were put in the situation, though, mostly."

"I can think of some situations with killing other people that mostly feel tragic to me too. I think - the universe doesn't really know what it's like to be a human. It's not really capable of - mercy, or understanding."

"Then it seems a little silly to regard it as a moral authority."

"I think it's a common opinion around here that no one deserves to go to Hell and the universe is just wrong about that and this is why Elizabeth is going to kill Asmodeus."