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"So I've been told that Osirian women only experience attraction when they feel stable and secure and loved and committed-to, and I sort of assumed this was not how it worked for women in other places because otherwise how would they end up the way they are, but maybe it is?"

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"I think I am possibly... not representative."

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Nod.

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"That also sounds kind of hard to believe about a whole society, though, like, I'm sure you probably have lots of women who are attracted to lots of people and just don't mention it because it'd be weird or inappropriate or reflect poorly on them. But I guess maybe it's only a few and those ones just go around feeling like there's something wrong with them."

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"Well, lots of women don't even know men their age to maybe have feelings for. But - that sounds about right."

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"It's nice hearing that there might be any women who're like that, I guess, needing security and stuff before they feel anything. But I don't actually know if I'm one of them. I'm - kind of worried that I'll get your hopes up and stuff and then it'll turn out that I only ever go up to liking snuggling."

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"That's also a way some people are, yeah."

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"Doesn't always mean they want to be unmarried. Though I guess it makes it likelier."

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"Are Osirian women supposed to be attracted to their husbands before they get married? Seems like it'd be awful if people weren't expected to be and then a bunch of them just never felt anything, even if they would've for the right person, even if their husbands were expecting them to - "

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"I don't really know what advice people give unmarried women. Men get advised not to marry women if you're not attracted to her, but also you're supposed to keep in mind that people age, pregnancy changes their body, if you mostly love them for the way they look then you don't really love them and if you do really love them then that'll go deeper than looks.

 

Unless you're royalty, of course, then you're supposed to ignore all that."

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"...what do they tell royalty?"

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"To give Abadar lots and lots of options."

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...hug.

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- hugs are good.

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"I know I'm kind of... skeptical, about a lot of stuff about Osirian marriages, but - it'd be really depressing to not have a concept of marriage that came with anything at all about - love or responsibility or sacrifice or trustworthiness. I think."

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"In the palace there're people working to make sure the girls are okay, I think, I'm pretty sure, but you never have to meet them, or think about them, and no one'll tell you that there's anything to think about."

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"Yeah. It just - I don't know if it's wrong, exactly, it's just - depressing. Never having anybody tell you about how people go about being partners. Never getting to have that. Never being told there's anything there to have.

 

"It kind of makes more sense of the thing where - when you talk about what marriages are you always talk about what you expect to give, what you'll be committing to, the standards you'll hold yourself to. I was kind of worried you just - had a bunch of important expectations for me that seemed so obvious that you were going to have a really hard time articulating them before they came up, but - it's actually just more important to you to do things right yourself than to get everything you want from me, isn't it."

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"- yeah."

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Hugs.

"You're very good."

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"I'm mostly very lucky, I could easily have four kids at home and no way out but I don't and I can - try something that isn't awful, if I want to -"

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Nodnodnod.

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Hug.

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"I hope you get to have something that isn't awful."

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"I'm pretty optimistic, to be honest."

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