Eclipse Bell in Arda
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"Sure I could, but I can't show writing to somebody in the Halls."

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"Doesn't work quite like osanwë."

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"And she could fake it. Anyway - I don't think that's your most pressing problem, I have no idea if Melkor's repentance is real but she's sufficiently sophisticated at being horrible that faking it isn't beyond her the way it'd be beyond the other Valar -"

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"I'm not clear on to what extent understanding that faking it might be in her repertoire is out of the other Valar's repertoire..."

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"Manwë is said to be literally incapable of comprehending evil, or dishonesty, but I don't think they all are. And they did insist on an oath, it's not as if they just said 'oh, she repented? must be genuine' - I think they understand on some level but not on another?"

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"If there's anything else potentially relevant -"

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" - did she ever get oaths out of any of the prisoners, some of the other psions are working on ways around that but no one's mentioned it having non-orc applications."

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"Probably. Not - not by torture, mostly, just by arranging reality such that it made sense to swear something - she can tamper with memories -"

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"...I have no idea how that would interact with eidetic as I can currently do it but in theory it's fixable..."

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"The Valar can and do fix that one, but they can't fix anything you swore while not remembering you're a prisoner or not remembering that Melkor isn't your trusted friend you've been working alongside for a century -"

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"Right. Well, the kids are working on de-oathing."

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"I heard, yes. Thank you."

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"You're welcome."

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"If there's anything else you need to know, I'm usually around the palace."

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"Good to know. Thank you very much."

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"Very welcome."

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Well. That answers some questions.

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And gives me less mixed feelings about denying Melkor redemption opportunities, although I know that 'was she evil at one point' wasn't really in question -

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Valar seem... architected, as a group, in a way that makes the idea of spontaneous redemption peculiar.

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They really do. Though 'three thousand years' stretches any definition of spontaneity.

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I mean spontaneous as in not particularly prompted, not as in quick.

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Could've been prompted by the war somehow. But - yeah. If it's a purely pragmatic epiphany then it'd still be good to let her out if we could contain her. But if we're not sure -

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Yep. The hallucinations thing is just... there are occasionally practical motivations to be evil but that doesn't have one -

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