"I think everybody gets tortured in hell? That's why they want to go to heaven."

"I don't think that is true because someone would have stopped it."

"People have tortured lots of people without getting stopped. And people are way easier to stop than hell is, I bet."

"That's not true. Melkor is the person who tortured people and then the Valar stopped him and sent him to jail. And if someone else was doing it they would stop them too and send them to jail too."

"I don't know what a Valar is but lots of people have been tortured. Like in Rome they tortured people all the time."

"But then someone made them stop?"

"Well EVENTUALLY Rome got destroyed and then people did different kinds of torture."

"I guess at some point you have to be before the point where anyone has made the torture stop but that's really bad."

"Yeah. We made a law against it after we stopped having kings. But I bet people break it sometimes, all the laws get broken sometimes."

"Melkor did the bad stuff because the Valar didn't know we existed yet so they didn't know to stop him but I am confused about why no one has done anything here. The Valar don't know about this place but Eru should have sent you your own really."

"Huh. Well I think he didn't."

"Well, that explains a lot."

"How do you get Valar?"

"God sent them. It'd be weird if he forgot to send them here though. Maybe he sent them and they got distracted and didn't notice how long it'd been? They do that sometimes."

"Oh. Well I think it's been a really long time if they did."

"They don't experience time the same way as we do so that part's not weird. Okay, maybe the real plan here should be that we find the Valar."

"How do we find the Valar?"

"I'm not really sure. If we found the river Maia they might know but now we're not even gonna get to do that." I'm gonna do it anyway though.

Oooh! I bet grandma and grandpa can't take us away today anyway, though, we should do it today!

That sounds good.

"Connor, we should go to the river today instead of to the library."

"Why?"

"Maitimo wants to see the river!"

"I like rivers!"

"Fine. I guess. I don't know where the river is so I need to find a map of it first."