Jun 18, 2019 4:56 AM
Atennesi Cohen in Kith
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"As far as I know there's no reason for that to be harder than it sounds absent conspiracy."

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"Well, it's pretty hard to convince people to move away from Genosha." 

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"Sure, but they wouldn't have to move away permanently to make a dent."

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"I mean, I'm not as surprised as I could possibly be by the conspiracy thing."

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"Sorry. I really don't know how well I would have done at figuring it out from what you knew, I never had to."

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"It's alright. I wasn't really...trying, exactly. I thought I should frontload my efforts into getting better at magic now and then I could worry about solving all the problems when I was a Great Mage."

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"Makes sense."

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"And even aside from you and any more of you that happen your world is going to be big news. Talk about gains from trade!"

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"Plus, like, teleportation is a big deal here but ultimately you can't just keep going forever in any direction, because it's all one planet. Rounds in my world drift apart and just keep going, teleportation is a bigger deal there than here even if you need a lot of hops."

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"Yeah, definitely. And I don't see any reason why we can't combine the two and get magic proles, people who are super specialized for teleporting or de-aging or even contributing to holding up floating cities."

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"I'm sort of rethinking the concept of proles. It's what works best there, now, but that's without any other magic. If nothing else we wouldn't need as many."

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"Very true. And I don't necessarily even mean actual proles, specifically, but--even in magic, there are sometimes things that are hard to get people to do."

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"Yeah, it's not the thing where people are made with convenient aptitudes that bothers me, it's how the state of the art in making a prole is making them so their whole life will be about what they were made for, plus maybe a spouse and one hobby, unless the economy changes and they switch to their backup job. Proles aren't stupid but they sort of have to have tunnel vision."

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"Yeah, that's definitely...distasteful. Maybe it's genuinely necessary in roundsworld but I think magic probably obviates it."

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"Pretty sure magic obviates it but if nothing else they don't need to be ninety percent of the population."

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"Eugh, it's that much?"

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"There's not really any counterpressure. There are only a few needs you can't fill with proles exclusively - you can make prole craftsmen but not particularly original prole artists and leaders, at least not reliably."

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"I wouldn't make anyone a prole I didn't have to. I thought it would just be for jobs you'd have a hard time getting non-proles to do."

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"Nope! Like, honestly, they don't have that good a sense of how many jobs that is - I think a lot of people from Kith would say you need a prole to bake bread, I think that's probably not true - there are some jobs that both proles and non-proles do, but if you don't make someone special for their profession they start at a disadvantage."

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"And you can't make someone special for a job without giving them tunnel vision?"

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"You can, but no one sees a reason not to make a prole at that point unless you're doing something really fancy. Non-proles will learn medicine and become doctors; but nobody makes a non-prole set up for that in the first place."

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"...Maybe my instincts are different because I know so many people who are into something enough to reliably do it without having tunnel vision."

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"Yeah. I have the advantage of double perspective here - a lot of things about my world are really different because they never get people any other way than making them, and the places where they don't mostly make rigidly specced proles are legitimately much worse to live in in most ways, and they don't have access to some information about person-space that this world gets for free."

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"In what ways are they worse?"

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"If you can make people at the drop of a hat - it takes seconds for the actual making process and you can't stop once you've started, it's design that takes a lot of time - and there's nobody stopping you, and nobody holding you responsible for that person's well-being, then some people responsibly make business partners and spouses and friends with useful skills, but some people make one-night stands who don't know how to do any useful work and turn them out the next morning, and some people make their favorite book characters because they want to meet them, and some people make political allies to win a short term conflict, and - on those rounds it is rude if not necessarily per se illegal to serve any meat that isn't clearly identifiable to people who don't trust you very well."

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