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She’ll bite.  To the archon:

“What’s the moral hazard?”

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Liushna also wants to know the answer! 

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"Paladins might decide they were obliged to become ghosts, if it were possible. Or fail to be counselled out of poorly-conceived oaths extending past death. We of Heaven do want them to join us, not to bind themselves to unlife out of a sense of duty. We have duties enough for the taking, if they prefer it!"

It doesn't exactly find mortals to be competent to make oaths, and natural death is a useful backstop against really bad ones, but that would be tactless to say straight out, probably.

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"Oh right, because it's so much better to listen to the goddess of killing people because you're mad. Following Abadar's rules makes everyone better off, even if they don't realize it." Like you, case in point. "If you want to be good and raise a bunch of skeletons to make money, just donate some of the money."

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"As we have an expert from Heaven- someone who ought to know their pharasmic vectors- here with us today, I feel I must trust in their wise judgement," she says, blandly, though generally she agrees. "And I do think you should come by my office some day soon, miss Estella, and we can speak more of the research possibilities."

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He will continue to push the topic change to morality and alignment!

“If the Evil of the creation and suffering of the undead outweigh the money you make from them, you will come out net Evil even donating all the money you make with your undead slaves.”

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“Of course, I look forward to it.”

With no more pamphlets to read, a productive and interesting research career under a foreigner that doesn’t think torturing your subordinates is standard sounds great.

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"Obviously you should only do that if you're going to make enough money to make it worth it, but that's the same for everything."

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"If Calistria told me to do something Evil, I wouldn't listen just because I'm her priestess! And I don't see how it makes it not Evil if you donate the money after, you still did something Evil. If someone offered you a bunch of money to murder an innocent person would you take it?"

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"I think, Fiducia Leo, that the Church of Abadar has some research on the financially optimal way to spend and gain positive pharasmic alignment. It turns out, Avenger, that Pharasma does care. You give money to Iomedae, which increases your pharasmic alignment. I do it myself, though I have not actually, as far as I know, committed any negatively aligned acts."

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He nods to Coelaris. "If it was enough money to save a hundred innocent people, would you take it? A million innocent people?"

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“Exactly.  In this hypothetical can we get a volunteer innocent person?  For enough money… find someone that wants to accomplish a lot of Good, agree on a mutually agreeable cause and donate the money to the cause.  For enough money it could mean enough Good to come out net Good for both you and the murdered person!”

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"I think you're playing tricky word games because you don't want to admit that raising people as undead is wrong even if you make a lot of money that way," she says to the Abadaran.

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"That's not murder, that's someone nobly sacrificing themselves for Good," Feather objects.

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“What about raising animals?  What are people’s thoughts on that?”

This morality conversation is boring, but necromancy is cool.

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 You don't get to decide what's wrong, bitch. "I'm not playing tricky word games, it's a question you asked me! How much money am I being paid for killing this person, or raising this skeleton?"

He's ignoring Estella because Estella's conversations are boring.

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"I don't think Good does this offsetting Evil thing. Maybe Lawful-and-Good does, maybe it's in the Lawful bit. But it's telling that the ones arguing for it are Abadarans and not Sarenites."

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"I don't know, how much money would someone need to pay you for you to kill an innocent person? Or raise someone as a skeleton?"

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Liushna would bet money that Feather doesn't think raising animals as undead is better than raising people.

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To Estella: "obviously you shouldn't torture animals! And raising them as undead is torturing them." She'll skip the part about what people think, it always goes wrong when she brings that up with Chelish humans. 

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"If it weren't for the resulting negative aspects in pharasmic alignment, I'd certainly support men volunteering to be undead. As for Animals, I'd welcome [H̴̺̏e̵̪̚ḁ̸́v̵̼̇e̸̯̕n̸̫̑ḽ̷́ỷ̵̱ ̶͔́Ġ̷͓l̶͓̆ȯ̴͉r̷̨͝y̵̩̌]'s thoughts." (Her celestial is rusty, but serviceable)

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(Victòria doesn't really see what's wrong with torturing animals, but you shouldn't raise them as undead.)

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“50,000 paper Chelish dollars would be more than enough to buy raising someone else.  And if you’re getting paid enough, you could also buy scries on potential targets of animate dead to make sure you’re dragging them out of evil afterlives, so there isn’t a net increase in suffering.”

To Feather:

“I think most people would animate undead animals to save a human life, we eat animals after all.  And they don’t have an afterlife necromancy is dragging them out of.  It could be a nice compromise, if we get undead animals as labor instead of undead people.”

And she has some experience animating and using animals, although with a variant of the familiar ritual, not with the normal spell.

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Feather would love to hear a Good outsider tell them that everyone is people and hurting anyone who can be hurt is wrong and she's not at all sure what a Good-and-Lawful one will say, but probably she can ask it to also say what the people in Nirvana think?

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To Estella:

"Eating animals is fine. You kill them cleanly, they don't suffer. Raising them is torturing them horribly for every second they remain undead. They already work for you when they're alive! And animal spirits go back to the world and are eventually reincarnated into new animals, not that it really matters, you shouldn't torture them even if the spirits were going to be destroyed when they died."

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