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"It was one of the misunderstandings the Valar corrected us about once we got into Valinor. Like people having multiple husbands or wives."

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"Misunderstandings."

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"My - friends I introduced you to a few weeks ago -"

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"- yes?"

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"They didn't get in trouble after the clarification, they were just encouraged to leave Tirion."

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"Encouraged."

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"As I said to you a few minutes ago, I am frustrated and disappointed with the Valar."

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"There's gods with - opinions like that my plane too. More variety and less consensus but if your friends walked down the street someone would probably tell them that Khersis loves them and hates their lifestyle."

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"The Valar are trying to teach us what Eru intended for us but I don't think they know it well enough themselves to be teaching it well. Though if they can fix people then maybe eventually they'll do that for the living also, and then it really won't be a problem."

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"If by fix people you mean like your acquaintance who's - straight now - um, it's actually illegal in most provinces in the Imperium to even try to do that with subtle arts, it's, I'm not sure that counts as 'not a problem'."
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"Is it really? Why?"

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"- there's kind of a lot of complicated history to it, um, it was correlated with abusive parents to be sent to have it done, the results were usually really horrible whether it technically worked or not, Khaele's church objected and some of the more liberal sects of Kherstianity too, it was unpopular with one species which is mostly same-sex attracted..."

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He nods. "I don't like it either, but I don't think there's anything resembling that kind of consensus here."

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"It's not a consensus, it's only most provinces, people who think their son needs to dump his boyfriend and marry a girl can pack him off to somewhere else and get him back subtly mangled a month later."

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"Mandos would certainly never do anything to anyone unwillingly."

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"In the end of the vision they - um, I don't think it counts as willingly if you have to be dead if you don't let him do it."
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"That does complicate consent a little," he says.

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"A lot."

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"I don't know what to do."

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"I don't either, this is still mostly better than my plane but, but in science fantasy stories half the point is gods don't show up and break your stuff -"

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"So we don't have a science fantasy world yet, that's okay, we will figure out how to get there."

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"How, if they just wreck anything they don't like?"

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"They will learn to not do that. Or we'll go live in the Outer Lands."

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"The Outer Lands don't sound so great."

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He shudders.

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