"I will point out that I don't think the only problem is that there was a single specific set of mistakes you were being steered towards such that avoiding those exact specific mistakes will obviate the possibility of making similar ones."

"Well, there's no Melkor," Feanáro says. "And won't be.  Maybe we can kill him to prove we're epic."

"I thoroughly approve of killing any or all Melkors for whatever reasons available."

"I'm not sure it counts as passing the epic threshold if you don't take the god in a loosely fair fight, and this is not a fight you want to make even loosely fair. I'm not saying we shouldn't but it will not accomplish that in particular."

"But," Feanáro says, "if we're so good that any fight against us isn't fair, doesn't that make us more epic?"

"Yeah, 'fair' is kind of a nebulous concept and that's not the kind I mean."

"Mm, depends on why it's not fair. If it's not fair just because we're us, then yes, but if it's not fair because we sneak attack him in the back that's a different question."

"Let's sneak attack him in the back," he says firmly.

"Sounds good to me."

"Agreed."

"We can have a fair fight with the other Valar."

"I am not certain to what extent they need it. Trying diplomacy first might not be a bad idea."

"They sent my Bella away." 

"That means we need to take precautions while trying to talk to them, not that we can't ever talk to them. They made a mistake."

"Yes, I'm not debating that they need it at all, but diplomacy might be useful for figuring out what exactly we ought to be trying to do to them. It would be a real shame to just kill them all."

"They could have killed her and she hadn't done anything except be nice to me and they didn't think anyone should ever ever do that." He's teary-eyed.

Bella retrieves him from Rúmil for hugs. "We don't actually know if they all agreed on that," she points out. "We know they disagree sometimes, or I couldn't have gotten permission to undo Mandos's memory fuzz."

"We can kill Manwë and Mandos. That's enough to be epic."

"I think the others might be upset about that even if they didn't agree with any of their bad decisions."

"...well, we should at least be ready to, if we're going to jailbreak this world's me and my children."

"We were going to be ready to leave for a nicer dimension," Rumil reminds him gently.

"And then anyone who does not want to be governed by bad Valar decisions does not have to cohabit with Valar."

"I think being ready to escape sounds like it would be faster to do than being ready to kill them and I don't want to leave them there longer than I have to."

"Yeah, okay."

"You want to spellcraft first or you want to learn the local language real quick first?"

"It's also possible that we could find a way to neutralize them that would leave us with more goodwill to work with, after."