I suppose it's not ruled out that mine will still marry Nerdanel and have the same seven kids, but it seems less likely than if I weren't perturbing anything - he tried to move to the Outer Lands by himself to grow up faster -

Fair point. I guess she could also grow up faster but I don't know much about her.

She has a better relationship with her parents and is much less likely to be inclined to flip them off and run away!

I approve of parenting in a way that results in good relationships with one's kids!

Yeah, me too. But if he'd run off successfully he'd have wound up being an adult while she was like fourteen and I'm not sure that as fast as he likes to run the age difference wouldn't have been prohibitive even when she reached majority.

You're probably right. Maybe you could convince her parents to emigrate?

Seems unlikely but I'm not sure.

More or less likely with Idaia and Imliss as a factor?

I'm not sure how they'd interact. Did they even know Mahtan...?

No, but they remember how everything went to hell.

My Valinor is now extremely unlikely to go to hell in the same way even if I never contact it again.

In terms of Feanaro, yeah, but do you think you've averted them letting Melkor out?

No, probably not.

Then the Darkening, at least, and Finwe's body smeared on the steps, should still be incentive to get out.

Maybe. If they believe me.

Yeah. I don't know.

Which they should, I don't have a reputation as being untrustworthy or anything, but - they'd probably think I was overreacting and just tell the Valar and assume they'd do something intelligent about it -

Ha.

They trust the Valar. The Valar brought them to paradise and cater to Quendi needs pretty damn well as long as nobody's running around being a malcontent, needing different things -

It's sort of a good thing Idaia showed up near the end, in that way. Malcontent ought to go on any list of adjectives describing her.

I wonder what it is about Valinors and their tendency to draw in extraplanar malcontents.

Well, you can't say they don't need them.

Yes. But I don't think they ask for them, and I and some Maiar were agreed that my world was not another Eru project, the design sensibility's unrecognizable.

Maybe it's not that Valinors are unusually likely to draw in extradimensional malcontents, maybe it's that Milliways is unusually likely to cause people with similar histories to meet.

So maybe there are a thousand Valinors, all but ours marching along their fated paths just alike...