You don't think the question will sound patronizing?

Our Fëanáro wouldn't find it so but perhaps he eventually develops a sensitivity to that kind of thing, or the children do. You're good at putting things gracefully, though.

I'll see if I can come up with something tactful.

Bet he invents it.

I bet, based on how the concept clicked for our one - oh, and Olórin had the prophecy about his script, that can't have been me-dependent.

Perhaps we can ask if it's the same script, get dates from there.

It is, I found that out from Idaia.

That's interesting. Definitely him, then. 

Flying! I'm a bit impressed they built the castle all themselves.

Without wizardry! Maybe they have songs for it or something.

Those would have to be very sophisticated songs but I guess they had a long time. The peace in Valinor ended in 1495 - you were here in 1170 -

That doesn't sound that long till I remember it's Valian Years... and then it sounds like forever till I remember it was supposed to be all the Ages of Arda...

Yeah. And how they fly by, if you're not paying attention....

It would've seemed so fast. And there weren't even any mortals disrupting the bliss of Valinor.

Enough time for him to grow up and have kids, and for them to grow up, but - that's it. And then thirty thousand years of horrors.

And non-horrors, this is a pretty civilizationy civilization the humans have, they can go to the moon... but yes.

Yes, it seems like the world came out okay. Everyone except this family and everything they touched. 

The Doom was evil. I don't understand it even knowing now what horror prompted it.

Intensely evil - just - completely lacking proportion or goal or aim -

The goal honestly looks a lot like helping the Enemy - declaring that the people going off to fight him will fail in everything they do -

Is it giving them too much credit to suggest that he manipulated them, too?

I'm sure he did, but still...

Not really a good excuse for being manipulable that far, that way...

Could say the same about Fëanáro and his children, honestly, but they had a lot less power and seem to at least recognize what they did.

When they're not being unrepentant to make sure they can.

They did something stupid and it spiraled out of control, it could have been fine if people had backed off on the Silmarils; the Doom was identifiably disastrous from the moment it was uttered.

And the Valar could have walked it back once they realized. I assume, not knowing how Dooms work. At a minimum they sealed Valinor to refugees and could have - not done that -

I should probably return home and talk with ours, if that's what it takes to make sure Melkor's not paroled.

You don't think talking to them by earwire would do?