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needed now more than ever (Judiciary, Day 3+)
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The convention is in intermission, supposedly. But Alonso goes hunting anyway, and manages to scrounge up as many members of the judiciary committee as he can find. He can't find Valia, but that's not much of a surprise; if the pamphlets are to be believed, she was murdered during the riots.

It makes his blood boil, the sense that it's all happening again, that nothing he feels even a hint of fondness towards is safe, and can be snatched away in a moment. But he did something then, and he can do something now, and maybe they can reach a world without burning homes and killers at large.

"I call this meeting to order," he says. "We won't be able to get a floor vote for the whole convention, but our queen has asked for advice, and I say we should give it to her, even with just our partial committee. We were attacked as much as Her Majesty's peaceable order was, and we should have a say in how to respond. Every moment we delay is a moment that these riots go unpunished, and if Her Majesty rules before we can advise her, we are failing as a convention."

Who has he found, for this ersatz meeting?

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Remei wasn't too hard to find, if you gave her description to enough people. She's here.

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Victòria is here, looking miserable and not really trying to hide it.

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Lluïsa has stormed in with different clothes from usual (still hatted and cloaked and booted the same, but with slightly fancier and better-fitting clothes under them, and gloves).

"I hardly hold out hope for Useful Work to be performed by such a Laughably Small Rump Committee," she opens. "Perhaps I shall be Pleasantly Surprised, or perhaps I shall have to Denounce your Irregular Business in the absence of a Quorum. More pressingly, have any of you any News of the Whereabouts of our Colleagues, chiefly among them Delegate Enric Porras and Select of Iomedae Valia Wain? Certainly the whereabouts of Select Wain in particular are the Chief Issue of the Moment in this City."

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Is Porras important or something? Remei assumes that if Wain's not in the stocks somewhere for people to throw tomatoes at her then it's probably because the Queen wants it that way so she won't speculate on that either.

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"She wasn't at the palace and she wasn't at the temple either, Alicia and I went and checked, and no one at the temple had seen her since yesterday morning. ...I think she was probably murdered. Liushna is also missing but I don't know if she was murdered, I don't know where she was staying."

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"Certainly not even the Gods bereft of Prophecy could have predicted such an Outcome," she replies icily. She should probably be nicer to someone whose... lover? (it's still unclear) was possibly killed, but she isn't being nice, for some unclear reason.

"And my count of Delegates who are Missing and Presumed Murdered sees Increase once more. I have heard it rumored as well that the other Select of Iomedae was Strung from a Lamp-Post. Thus the Church of Iomedae in Westcrown is Masterfully Decapitated; is your Goddess pleased with your Work? Did you awake to a new Circle of Spells?"

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"I don't think people should murder innocent people, if that's what you're implying," she snaps.

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Taldaris managed to avoid being on either end of an angry mob last night by the timely rainstorm and concern for his sister. "Barrister, Avenger, there's no need for this. We're here to ensure justice is possible, not to sling petty insults. There will be plenty of time for that later."

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"Should Select Wain live, and perhaps even if she be Dead, the Law will turn its Gaze towards her soon enough. I invite you to keep a Great Distance in that event, Calistrian, that you not talk her under the final blade. Unless it is to take all the Blame yourself, which I would hardly gainsay."

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"—but she didn't break the law?" Victòria has enough sense, barely, not to say we checked. "The Queen's — I don't agree with everything she's done but she's not Asmodeus, everyone knows it's Evil to punish people who haven't done anything wrong!"

And now that she's thinking about it it feels very stupid to have trusted her even that far, it's not like the nobility would care whether you actually broke the law if you upset them enough, but surely even the Queen isn't going to decide that Delegate Ibarra throwing Fireballs into crowds of innocent people is somehow Valia's fault.

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"Yes, someone who hasn't broken any laws should probably not be prosecuted by the queen's magistrates. That's a good legal principle to have. Does anyone else have suggestions to make about the judiciary?"

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"People who Fireball crowds of innocent people should be prosecuted for it even if they're nobles or powerful wizards. Does that count as a suggestion or is it too specific."

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"It's pretty specific. Also kind of implies that we have to have trials for everybody in the crowd, to check if they're innocent? It should probably just be illegal to Fireball crowds of people if it's not self-defense even if it should happen that every one of them is a murderer."

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"Select Wain's speech was plainly a Lawful Act." Agreeing with Victòria takes most of the acid out of her voice. "Perhaps an Ill-Advised one. Perhaps the givers of said Ill Advice sit among us now," one last snipe.

"Just as plainly, an Enraged and Grieving City sits Burned and Pillaged, and who is the Public Figure at the Center of Events? I hope for Law to prevail; I hope for a Trial to Ratify before the Public that Select Wain did no Unlawful Act. Even if Dead she may well be Raised for such a Trial. It is certain that Select Wain will not be permitted to Silently Vanish Away, leaving the city to Stew in its Rage. Whether it is Justice that is done, or a Sacrifice given unto the Mob, may still yet be Decided."

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Probably she'd have given different advice if she'd realized that the nobles were going to take advantage of the situation to start murdering people but she doesn't see why Delegate Oriol i Cornellà is trying to make it seem like she was — trying to get Valia killed, or something. Obviously she didn't want Valia killed. She is not going to cry about that in front of the Judiciary Committee, that would just be pathetic, it's not even like an azata where they're too confusing to hurt you over it.

"Obviously anyone who took advantage of what was going on last night to kill innocents or burn down houses full of people or anything like that should face justice. But — look, we barely even had trials where I grew up, but — I don't see what the point of putting her on trial would be? Like, it wouldn't make sense to — randomly put you on trial for murdering Delegate Porras, if everyone knew you were on the other side of town, or something. Unless they were trying to execute her for something you didn't even do, which would be... incredibly Evil... obviously..."

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"Trying her is the Favorable Outcome, unless you would prefer her Summary Execution. Perhaps the new Queen is not so wasteful as to Raise the Dead merely to Execute her Publicly; or perhaps she will think that less Costly than letting her Lie."

Taunting someone with the death of her probable-lover is best used sparingly. She'll leave it at that.

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"...It would definitely be worse to just execute her without a trial? Do we need to pass a law saying 'innocent people should not be punished if they didn't do anything wrong,' I really thought that was obvious but maybe not. ...I guess probably if the Queen would do that she wouldn't care what we said about it."

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"Your Prodigious Wisdom is the Balm for all Ills of Justice, good Delegate! Perhaps you have the Tenth Circle of Spells of your Goddess, and may Divine what we Mortal Wretches know not. But the Demigoddess Victòria Ferrer can be in only one City at a Time, and in those Sad Days of your Lamented Absence we Mortals must resort to Trials."

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"—I didn't say any of that???"

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Alonso... had not processed that Wain would be resurrected, if murdered during the riots. Some of his anger softens, tho it is unlikely they will manage to resurrect everyone who died. He speaks up, now that everyone else has had a chance to vent some of their emotions, and hopefully to cut off the squabbling.

"We should perhaps step back from recent events and think about the judiciary as a whole." He nods towards Lluisa. "If you'll forgive me for speaking quickly and oversimplifying things, the point of the judicial system is to not to make law, or even really to enforce it, but to answer questions related to it. In a contract dispute, which party is in the right? When someone is accused of a crime, did they do it?"

He turns towards Victoria. "I think we could and should have a law against punishing the innocent, but if I understand correctly, that is a question for the rights committee."

He pauses for a moment. "I also don't think we can say, in general, that no one should be executed without a trial. We have to be wary of exceptions; if someone is burning down a village, I do not think we should encumber the protectors of civilization with the welfare of that evildoer. But trials in situation of uncertainty and no imminent harm trials seem important for not making mistakes."

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"I think there's some overlap between the Rights Committee and the Judiciary Committee, and the Rights Committee isn't meeting right now. ...How hard is it to resurrect people? I've only ever heard of that happening in stories, could we have a law that if you have someone executed and it turns out they're innocent they have to be brought back?"

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"Thousands of gold," says Remei flatly.

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"Which is so enormously expensive that it was not until I came to this archmage's convention that I ever met someone I knew to be resurrected," Alonso says with some bitterness, "but I suppose if it doesn't leave a mark, there'd be no way to know for sure."

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"The Commission of Violence in the Moment is not a Judicial Proceeding, though it may Occasion one after the Fact." She sighs, most of her yelling-at-Victòria energy sapped.

"Proposed: It is the Finding of the Rump Committee on Matters Pertaining to the Judiciary that those Charged with Capital Offenses have the Right to be Tried Fairly on those Offenses. Yea or nay?"

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"Yea."

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"Yea. But probably once we've voted we should say some more specific things about what that means, I don't want nobles saying 'well, we're nobles, it wouldn't be fair to prosecute us for hurting normal people.'"

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"I think Cheliax is too large to have one comprehensive law, much as it would have simplified my work over the last year. The Hellcoast is not Sirmium, Ravounel is not Menador. When nobles make the law, they injure some and benefit others; there will likely be many a normal person in Cheliax who would rather be whipped by his baron than have his slaves freed by the Queen. Shall we let him prosecute the queen, or this convention for recommending abolition?"

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"I didn't mean — I don't think nobles should be prosecuted for voting for abolition. But if a noble murders an innocent person or rapes someone or has an innocent person tortured for fun or Fireballs a crowd of people for no good reason, I don't want them saying that fairness means letting them do what they want, no matter where in Cheliax it happened."

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"For the law to be real, it must be enforced. And unless Heaven sends us angels to rule us, that means enforced by the strong against the weak. If you want a baron to not murder for fun, you need their count to make a law against it, and believe credible reports of it happening when they appear. Our topic is less what the law should be, and more what a credible report is."

He grimaces. "Like, to use recent events as an example, a cleric of Iomedae was murdered during the riots. Someone killed him. The judge's job is not to find out who, or even to decide whether or not it was wrong to do. It is to look at a case brought before them that a particular person did it, and say of the case 'I believe this' or 'I don't believe this', and then society accepts that judgment."

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"...Isn't the entire point of this committee to figure out what the law should be?"

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Through a failed heroic act of will, Lluïsa fails to refrain from remarking snidely.

"I would find the Avenger's Report to be Credible indeed. Would she care to make such a Report now?"

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"I don't know why you apparently think Calistria is the goddess of murdering innocent people for no reason, but I did not randomly decide to string up a priest of Iomedae from a lamppost. I didn't kill anyone last night, I didn't even try to, I didn't even hurt anyone, and I'll say that under a fucking Truthtelling if you pay for it. I spent most of last night talking to an azata." Also burning down a school but bringing it up would not help her case and would probably get her arrested. "And what were you doing last night? You're the Evil one, did you decide to — help Delegate Ibarra set crowds of innocent people on fire? Maybe you know what happened to Valia?"

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Alonso holds up his hands in a placating gesture, but doesn't quite trust his ability to defuse this. "Can we stay on topic? Or do we have to sort this out first?"

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"I did not chance to see Select Wain at the Bottom of the River," she snaps. "And I am content to wait for the truthtelling of the Court to hear of all your Peaceable Deeds last night. Delegate Alonso, I apologize for my Great Ire; it is an Unbecomingly Calistrian Sentiment I would do well to Suppress."

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"The... river? Why were you looking there?" He understands wanting to find Valia, but that seems a little extreme.

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"I'm perfectly happy to stay on topic as long as Delegate Oriol i Cornellà stops accusing me of murdering innocent people. —What were you doing at the bottom of a river??" 

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"Have the Reports not yet reached your Ears? I was Hurled Bodily into it; such were the Entertainments of my Evening. And good Delegate Porras, a Farmer from the Countryside without my Hardiness, may likewise have been Hurled alongside. I certainly hope he yet Lives; should I require the Services of an Avenger over him, there may be a Conflict of Interest."

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Alonso is aghast. "That's... horrible. I'm glad you survived, and hope Porras did as well."

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Slightly mollified, "I have had Bulletins put up requesting any Information on his Whereabouts, offering a Reward; of course should any here have such Information the Reward would rightly be yours."

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"Oh. I didn't — what I heard was that a bunch of nobles started Fireballing innocent people, and — I mean, I saw there were bodies in the streets, but — I don't really see how the river fits into things. And I think I'm probably missing something." Valia definitely didn't say to throw random lawyers into rivers even if they were Evil.

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"Are you so Astonished that the Mob, bent on Violence, did Violence to me? Is there no Spell of the Tenth Circle that can Explain such Perplexing Syllogisms?"

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"I don't see why they would just... randomly decide to hurt you in particular? It's not like I went and told them you were Evil, and I don't think Valia did either, and you're not a noble or a soldier or anything like that?"

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"Some are eager to do violence," he says with a grimace, "and will jump at opportunities to do so, even with flimsy excuses."

He valiantly tries to get the committee back on track. "So! You asked about the point of this committee. I think there's no way for us to write the whole law and hope to be done by dinner. Thankfully, the judiciary doesn't write the law, it simply applies the laws that others write. The convention hopefully will produce the deepest law, but then the queen will make more laws, and the dukes yet more laws, all the way down to mayors and city councils. Some of those laws will be about how the judiciary should do their jobs and that's what I hope this committee focuses on. When there need to be trials, what rules those trials have to follow, what records need to be kept."

He scratches his beard. "Given the circumstances, maybe we should also advise the Queen on how we think she should handle last night's events? But I take our Barrister's earlier comments to heart, and think that should be a matter for the general floor. The few of us might manage to determine what trials should look like and be heard, but I doubt we could sway the Queen's judgment on how to maintain order in the city without the whole convention."

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"There are as yet no true Courts Reestablished. Yet there is a Pressing Need for Trials; unless the Crown mean to proceed by Summary Justice, which I should Dislike to see, even in a Time of such Unrest."

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"There is a Queen, who is surely capable of hearing cases herself, when she does not have a judiciary to delegate to. Should we perhaps decide on a recommendation of which cases she should hear, and which should be a matter for whatever Westcrown courts exist now, or for once better ones are re-established?"

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"I don't really know what sort of things would be a good idea there? I think... innocent people who've done nothing wrong, like Valia, shouldn't be convicted of crimes? And people who have, like whoever killed Valia, or like the nobles throwing around Fireballs at innocent people, should be? But I don't know who you'd want hearing what cases to make sure nobles can't just get away with that, and that the courts don't say anything like 'sure, Valia didn't do anything wrong, but we're going to execute her anyway,' but also don't say 'sure, you killed a house full of innocent children for no good reason, but you came up with some Asmodean argument for why it doesn't count so we're letting you off.' And I'm not really sure you can make that happen just by saying who hears which cases."

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"You and I can but hope that the judgments are wise and true," he says sadly. "Rules cannot make it so; they merely separate summary judgment from the more formal variety. For example, we might wish to request no trials in absentia, or that anyone accused of a crime be able to speak in their own defense."

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"I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but I don't know what 'in absentia' means."

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Through a successful heroic act of will, Lluïsa refrains from remarking snidely!

"In the Absence of the Accused."

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"For example, I hear from you that some nobles have Fireballed the innocent; if so I hope they swing from the gallows before the next dawn." His fist is clenched as he says it. "But they are not here to defend themselves, and it would perhaps be hasty to conclude the matter without hearing what they have to say about it."

"And, of course, I have read reports from some courts where the defendant was present but forbidden from speaking, one way or another. It's not the body being in the room that truly matters."

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"...but then wouldn't that rule mean that if someone ran away to avoid being brought to justice you couldn't put them on trial at all?"

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Lluïsa, with visible effort, refrains from responding!

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"Who could run away from the archmages? I agree this might not be a sensible standard to hold all of our trials to, even if we want it for these ones."

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"Apprehending a Fugitive is hardly a Judicial Proceeding. Certainly the Dogs of Thrune from time to time wished to perform a Spectacle and call it a Trial; one might as well Propose to Try an Exotic Citron imported from Tian Xia in place of the Defendant, for all the Justice that such would effect." This is actually mostly a personal gripe; she'd been so excited to actually attend a trial, only to be crushingly disappointed.

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"Are we actually allowed to write instructions for the archmages in like that they have to chase fugitives? It's not like they're going to be scared if we threaten to try an exotic citron in their place and then convict them of dereliction of duty."

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"That's why I've been suggesting recommendations, instead of commands. I think an earnest plea is more likely to move their hearts, and hope this convention does not become a Spectacle, as she puts it."

"So, we want justice for last night, not mere vengeance. We want trials, not simple judgments. But how will we make clear to them what counts as a trial, in our eyes?"

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Remei taps her chin. "Well, there's Abadarans around in quantity now, so you could probably try 'in absentia' as long as you had an eyewitness?"

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"Can you, uh, clarify what you're counting as justice versus what you're counting as 'mere vengeance'?"

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"I wish I had the words to tell it to you clearly, but instead I will share with you a story, hopefully brief."

He draw himself up, adopting a more open pose; his voice takes on a more pleasant quality.

"I grew up in the Heartlands, in a pleasant farming village. One day, a woman with fire in her heart came to the village, killing and burning. Only some of us survived; those who did were not unmarked." He gestures towards his glass eye. "She died in the ruins of our village, killed by Hellknights on her trail."

He deflates a bit. "You could call it vengeance. But for me, it was justice because we knew she had it coming; that everyone could expect that she would meet a bad end for having done bad things. And hopefully any girls with fire their hearts would, hearing the tale, decide to be charcoal burners in the woods, and not have to meet the blades of justice."

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"I think from the story I would say that's justice and vengeance? Killing people who don't have it coming isn't vengeance or justice, it's just... murder."

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"Not Justice in the Narrow Sense of Process the Judiciary is Concerned with," says Lluïsa with her head still down writing something, "but not Unjust; a Just Court would not find Wrongdoing by the Hellknights, if all be as Recounted."

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"It doesn't sound like in that situation anyone would even ask a court to find whether the Hellknights did wrong."

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He is surprised at Lluïsa's claim.

"Indeed, the judiciary mostly deals with situations that are less clear-cut, where uncertainties must be carefully weighed. I was not there for their battle, of course, but if their account is to be believed, they gave her what little benefit of Law she deserved."

He turns back to Victòria. "Sure, something can be both vengeance and justice. A trial involves a judgment at the end, after all. If the trial did anything useful, it is because it helped shape that judgment. A show trial is such because the steps of the trial are 'just for show', the judgment having already been settled."

After a brief pause, "Actually, I don't know if she had ever wronged those Hellknights chasing her. I don't know if society as a whole can take vengeance, or if it is justice because the whole society did it." Most of his thoughts about this episode were of the painful instead of philosophical variety.

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"Indeed it is Unlikely to reach Trial; no Dispute would Likely Arise. The Uncontroversial will oft Pass without Rousing a Judge. The Hellknight that swung the Blade no doubt made Accounting of such to his Superior, however; but no Villager, say, would have Protested to the Lord or Crown that the Mad Arsonist should have Lived."

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"I'm still confused but I'm not sure how to get less confused."

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"I am not accepting Apprentices in the Law at this time; certainly not one who is so Entirely Chaotic that an Azata of Elysium was, to hear you tell it, compelled to set down its Ornamental Vudran Smoking-Pipe to keep your Fire Damage contained."

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(Does Delegate Oriol i Cornellà know about the school?? They were careful, they looked to see if anyone was watching, she shouldn't know, but maybe she does anyway somehow? But that sentence doesn't even make sense, even if she does know...)

"The entire reason Valia said you could stay on the committee was that you might know things that are useful but that doesn't work if you're not going to explain them. If you're going to just make up lies about me because — I don't know, because you're mad at me for pointing out that you were Evil? — then you're not helping anything. Just because Valia isn't here doesn't mean we're going to fall for diabolist trickery." Victòria is not at all sure that she can avoid falling for this woman's diabolist trickery but maybe if she says she won't she'll be less likely to try it?

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"Certainly you have Resolved all Confusions on your own; if you do not Comprehend its Meaning, why, it is assuredly Diabolism."

Lluïsa really, really wants to stop being mean sometime a few exchanges ago, and for some reason isn't. The best she can do right now is leave 'Dretch-in-Waiting' out of that sentence, which was pretty difficult!

"I will Endeavour to use Words suitable for the Young Girl's First Primer On Chelish Taldane Grammar."

"This is a Courtroom. This is a Judge. The Judge listens to Cases. The Judge rules on Cases. There are Civil and Criminal Cases. Select of Iomedae Valia Wain is charged with Incitement to Riot! This is a Criminal Case."

"Here we must End the Recitation, for the Form of the Courts is entirely Unclear, and make our Recommendation as to a Just Form. I shall be finished drafting my Proposal shortly, do Puzzle Over these Concepts while I Write."

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"Delegate Oriol, do you maybe want to go take a walk or something and come back later?"

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Eyeroll and determined scribbling.

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"Okay. I don't know why you couldn't have just said that to start with but that's helpful. I'm still confused about some of the other things people were saying but I'm not sure they're important here. ...She didn't incite anyone to riot, though, nothing she said was against the Queen's decree last month."

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Alonso is surprised, again. "Why would Wain be charged with incitement to riot? It's not like the delegates who heard her speech rioted; that was mobs who were incited by infernal agents who we can only hope are swiftly apprehended by the crown. It is because we don't know who they are that we need to figure out what sort of report from the Queen we would trust." 

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"I agree with you on this Matter, Delegate Ferrer. She at least acted Within the Law."

That wasn't mean at all, really.

"Delegate Alonso, you would do well to obtain a Copy of every Pamphlet that Circulates in Westcrown, as I do at some Effort and Expense; I know as well where to Listen for Rumors about the City. A Tawdry Plagiarist, the Self-Named 'Friend of the True People', called Quite Directly for the Burning and Rioting in the name of Select Wain; the Riots were certainly her Riots, as little as she desired them! It is Unlawful to Copy or Distribute and I have not yet received Special Permission to do so here, though I have sought it out. Had I such Permission I would share it now."

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"...I think I'm still confused about what exactly happened last night. And I think probably it's going to be harder to make good rules if I don't totally know what happened." Also she really needs to get around to reading the pamphlets, apparently.

She's not looking at Delegate Oriol i Cornellà but she's not not looking at her either.

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"...I shall Eagerly Await such Permission. Perhaps it is not Distribution if I Read its Vile Words aloud from my Copy, though I skirt the Spirit of the most Recent Decree in so doing; the Giving of Speeches is likewise Proscribed, but one has Hope that the Law respect the Distinction between Giving and Quoting."

Reluctantly, she reads it, in an absolutely flat tone, stuffing it away at the end.

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"That's — that's not what Valia said, they left out the parts about — how most people aren't Evil, how she was only talking about people who were really terrible — Valia didn't want people to murder every single tiefling—"

She's shaking. She should stop that. (She doesn't.)

"...I also haven't seen the Queen's decree yet. Do you have a copy of that one too?"

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"That at least is Unambiguously Lawful. I shall copy it out if you Request it."

She reads the decree out loud for the room.

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Priests of the Church of Iomedae were killed last night

Priests of the Church of Iomedae were killed last night

Priests of the Church of Iomedae were killed last night

...and there were bodies in the streets, and most of them didn't look charred...

some are eager to do violence and will jump at opportunities to do so, even with flimsy excuses

...and maybe she was wrong, maybe most people weren't banding together against diabolist nobles or Delegate Ibarra or anything like that...

sometimes you set fire to someone's house and the fire spreads

...and people are blaming Valia even though she didn't do anything wrong, just because Evildoers decided to use her speech as an excuse to kill innocent people...

 

"If you have the spell to do it quickly a copy would be great but if not I can probably find one on my own. If you have more details about what happened last night that would also be helpful." Her voice is flat.

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"I will scriven the Decree, though not the Abhorrent Pamphlet until such time as I receive Permission."

She casts it, her second pen copying the decree out while she writes with her first, nonchalantly catching the spell when it finishes.

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"I am still Reconstructing the Events from Rumor and Pamphlet, but the Lord Mayor is likely Dead; Archduke Blanxart I have heard is Dead, diverse other Nobility as well; both Select of Iomedae I have heard are Dead, many Bodies fill the Temples and Streets and I have not looked over them; I am not Dead, despite Efforts, but Delegate Porras who was with me may well be; were I not a Wizard I would like as not have Died, and he is a Farmer. The Metal Delegate Sèfora of Aspramunt, the Martell Alçat, I saw to be carrying a Corpse, though I did not ask after its Identity. This Count of Dead is likelier to Increase than Decrease, unless some be Raised such as Select Wain."

"The Archduke Blanxart is over seven centuries old, among the Raised Nobility, and is assuredly no Diabolist, long predating any such Associations; nevertheless I have heard his name most Tastelessly Impugned."

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Alonso's head is in his hands, as he takes this all in. He knew the district he was in was only lightly hit, and still. When a city is large, a small tragedy for it is several villages destroyed entire.

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It's hard to stay furious at someone who is (doing the Chelish equivalent of) sobbing wretchedly in front of you.

It's also hard to apologize to the Calistrian who, at the very least, thoughtlessly burned the city and killed your fellow Delegates, even if it is straightforwardly the correct action that will align this unbalanced room where it so desperately needs to be aligned.

For now, Lluïsa takes both easy paths.

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"That's — helpful but not really what I'm confused about. The main thing I heard about last night was — a bunch of Evil nobles, and also Delegate Ibarra, decided to Fireball crowds of innocent people for no good reason. And I also heard" by which she means saw, or thought she saw "that there were people who were trying to — put a stop to that sort of thing, and it's not really surprising that some of them died, if the nobles were throwing around Fireballs." And trying to avenge all their previous wrongs, but Victòria can sometimes read a room.

"But it sounds like maybe that wasn't all the important things that happened, and actually there were a lot of people that just decided to randomly go out and murder innocent people, and I think I'm still not sure — exactly what happened there? And people are blaming Valia even though that's literally the opposite of what she said to do?" Probably she should've been paying closer attention to what the people on the streets were doing but she was really focused on making sure the fire didn't spread anywhere else.

(The Evil lawyer's defense of Delegate Thrune is profoundly unconvincing but it's not like he was the only name on the list.)

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"You have put it quite Aptly when you said 'just decided to randomly go out and murder innocent people'; this is the Characteristic Act that makes a Mob a Mob. Though truly it is Murder, Looting, Rape, and Arson, with none having True Primacy. I have seen this City beset by Mobs before. This was a Mob, albeit more Vicious within a Short Span and rapidly Quashed, compared to the usual sort of Riots that the Price of Bread is too Low, or too High, or that it is Just So but the Mob wishes anyhow to Riot. Make no mistake, the So-Called 'Friend of the True People' will only escape Justice in that, unless he be some Exotic Pamphleteering Hydra, he lacks enough Necks to Hang enough Times."

"Any Wizard who casts fireball within City Limits deserves the Utmost Scorn and to Hang; Ibarra did not strike me as so Great a Fool but our Acquaintance is but Passing and if he did this it is Contemptible. But it was no Gang of Mad Wizards who Burned the City; it is Most Unfortunately Flammable and a Torch suffices, or a Jarred Candlestick."

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Arson seems pretty different from murder and rape and even looting? Or at least, it depends on what you're doing arson to, you shouldn't burn down people's houses and you definitely shouldn't burn down houses with innocent people inside, but it's not like rape where it's always wrong. (Not that she's going to say this, or even let it show on her face when Delegate Oriol i Cornellà brings it up.)

...That's probably not what matters right now. What matters is — they gave a speech about fighting for justice and standing up to Evil nobles, and people heard it and instead of fighting back against people like Delegate Napaciza or Delegate Ibarra they took it as an excuse to murder people like Enric and Valia and Liushna and Blai. And maybe some of them really thought Valia was saying they should do that, if they heard that awful pamphlet, but that's not an excuse, if you think an Iomedaean priestess is telling you to murder innocent people then either Iomedae is Evil or she didn't actually say that and either way you still shouldn't do it. 

And instead of hanging the murderers and rapists responsible, they want to prosecute Valia for something she didn't even do.

She wants to see the man who murdered Valia burn to death. She wants to ask the azata how you stop people from taking your words as an excuse to do terrible Evil things, except she heard how much Delegate Ardiaca spent on it and probably he cannot actually spend astonishing sums of money just so she can ask an Outsider 'how do I get people not to do terrible Evil things for no good reason.' She wants someone to bring back Valia and Liushna and then she wants the two of them and Alicia and Raimon to all run off together to somewhere where they can just hunt down people like Raimon's old priest together — only she doesn't, actually, because no matter how frustrating it is to have to argue with nobles and diabolist lawyers and Hellspawn all day, she's doing something important. And also because that's a stupid and pathetic thing to want.

"I don't really care if someone who murdered innocent people was a nobleman or a normal person, either way they should face justice. ...I didn't — realize what had happened last night. I've never even been to a city before. I'm — I didn't mean for you to be thrown off a bridge, and I don't think Valia did either, and I hope the people who did it face justice too."

(At least, she thinks she does. If they were trying to get revenge on her for murdering an innocent person or something she hopes they get away. But if they just went out looking for random people to hurt and got lucky, getting lucky doesn't make them not Evil.)