Lúthien in Rewind
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Then if they were willing to let healers help they might be able to, or Mother might be able to, or we might assign them a place to live in the forest where they couldn't do it, or they might be willing to swear not to do it for a year to see if that helps break the habit.

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Humans don't have... most of those options. We do have healers who can sometimes get somewhere with that sorta thing but not really consistently or without any unpleasant side effects.

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What do humans usually do, then?

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Depends on what the matter with them is and what kind of support they happen to have.

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Makes sense.

Really serious crimes Elves usually exile people for, or in one case a Noldo King had someone thrown off the walls of his city. He died. That was the point, they're really high walls.

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Some places here have the death penalty but it's particularly controversial to use it for anyone who's verifiably mentally ill.

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That makes sense.

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But usually they just wind up locked up with the healers instead of with the prison guards, not necessarily pleasanter.

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Elves do really badly if locked up. That's why it's usually either correction or exile. Or wall-throwing.

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It's not ideal for human flourishing either, but I guess this is like the prettiness thing?

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Probably. We'll usually die after a month or two in prison. Longer if it's a spacious pretty prison and not a prison-like environment otherwise, but not indefinitely. Except in Angband, where the Enemy can prevent us from willing our death or dying of grief or pain or rape or other things that usually'd kill us.

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Ah. Those things don't kill humans by themselves.

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You also die for good. Those things just make us abandon a body, we don't stop existing.

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Which makes it sound almost like a convenient feature.

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I think it's supposed to be, and will be once the Valar are better at reembodiment.

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Yeah. - I probably wouldn't want to die of rape if I also separately had a willing-myself-to-die option, that seems like where it's useful it's redundant.

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It doesn't happen, and maybe that's because everyone knows? But yeah, I guess. That - that one's just a consequence of not being able to force a soul bond, which is good, you shouldn't be able to force a soul bond that'd be horrible.

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Yeah. I'm not sure they're not horrible even in voluntary form but definitely forced, yeah.

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People like the voluntary version, it's supposed to be really nice.

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If you say so. Weirds me out.

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And the way humans do things weirds me out. We're different enough it makes sense the best kind of thing for us would be different.

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Yeah, fair enough. What's the weirdest human thing to you?

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Probably the sleeping with people you aren't in love with, we don't do that. I mean, money and reading are weird but I'm sure we'd have them under the right circumstances.

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Not all humans do that. I used to think I'd avoid it, wait until I met some nice girl I wanted to whisk away to Canada, but the time loop has kinda screwed around with some of my priorities.

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Whisk away to Canada?

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