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vanyel meets sad cam in milliways
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Herald Vanyel Ashkevron, Demonsbane, Hero of Stony Tor, is hiding from his mother.

Everyone avoids the family chapel since the, er, incident with the priest. Father’s never been very pious anyway. Mother is superstitious, and her son having nearly been murdered on the threshold is a particularly blatant omen. Vanyel doesn’t mind, he gets nearly-murdered constantly, but it's the last place anyone will look for him. He can make it across the courtyard without anyone seeing him and shut the door firmly behind him, leaning against it to catch his breath.

It’s a while before he opens his eyes and notices, with a bolt of alarm, that 1) he can no longer sense Yfandes at all, and 2) this is most definitely not the interior of his parents’ chapel, unless they’ve done some major renovations since his last visit.

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It is instead a pleasant, unattended bar;

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with explosions visible out the window dominating the wall to his left;

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and a winged person, with a tail hanging down over the seat behind him, nursing some sort of hot beverage.

He turns his head.

"Hi."

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It’s a good thing for mysterious-winged-person that the war ended two years ago, because Vanyel fresh off a battlefield might have set the bar on fire out of instinct.

As it is, he’s got his shields up and Othersenses on alert, power crackling at his fingertips, before the harmlessness of the surroundings registers. He awkwardly lowers his arms. “Excuse me, why are you in my...“ back up and start over, “sorry, actually, where are we?”

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"Place is called Milliways. Bar's a person who communicates by napkin, if you close the door you stop time whence you came, people apparently come in through lots of universes. What's yours like?"

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Vanyel stares at the winged person for ten seconds while his mind churns and gets stuck on: alarm, confusion, disbelief, more confusion but this time with a burning itch to resolve it.

Person with wings. Room where there shouldn't be one. Which stops time on the outside? Bar that...communicates...via napkins?

"Er," he says finally, "can I test that? Is anything bad going to happen if I open and close the door quickly a few times? Also what are the explosions over there and are they dangerous?" The stranger doesn't seem worried but there are plenty of situations where Vanyel would be unconcerned when an ordinary un-Gifted person ought to be panicking. 

Belatedly, his manners catch up. "My name is Vanyel. Pleased to meet you. My world is... I'm not sure what the relevant parts are to describe. It has magic? People can have various Gifts that let them use it in different ways. What's your world like?" 

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"I think the test is fine as long as you're on this side; door reverts to normal if you're on the other. Explosions are stars blowing up which is normally dangerous but the danger's not getting through the window. I'm Cam. Uh, where I've been lately and where I live where I'm at home and where I'm originally from are all three different worlds so it's kind of a long story."

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"Um, right." Vanyel is slightly reassured; 'stars blowing up' is more alarming than generic explosions but Cam is very un-alarmed. "I'm curious to hear the long story but...maybe not right now, I'm adjusting. I want to be on this side anyway because the thing I'm testing is the time-stopping." 

(If time does stop outside when he's in here – which is one of the less impossible-seeming pieces, given his experience with the Shadow-Lover's realm – then he doesn't care whether Cam is telling the truth about anything else, he's going to stay and hear out the long story. And then maybe stay for another week or two until he feels ready to cope with his family.)

He opens the door, glances around to make sure the courtyard is still empty, and then uses Fetching to snatch a hand-sized rock from the nearby ornamental garden. He balances it in his hand, tosses it high into the air, and slams the door shut before it can fall. 

"Now I guess I wait for a minute." He tries to smile at Cam. "That was an example of magic in my world. It's called Fetching and it's one of my Gifts, it can move objects. Hmm, actually, I wonder if it works in here?" 

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Cam tosses a Koosh ball that didn't exist a second ago at him.

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Vanyel flings up a hand and the ball disappears in a puff of flame. 

"Oh gods I'm so sorry, I didn't – you startled me, I didn't mean..." Vanyel brings a hand to his forehead. "That was really rude, I'm sorry, but – I would appreciate it if you didn't do things that surprise me – there was a war back home, it's been a while and I'm better about not being jumpy. But, um, I'm sort of on edge because this entire place is surprising. Sorry." 

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"Oh. Uh, sorry. I'll try to be... unsurprising. Or, uh, at least not startling."

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"It's not your fault. Um, that was a different kind of magic that my world has." Vanyel stands awkwardly for a moment, and then remembers the convenient distraction of his test. He opens the door again and scans for the rock (which ought to definitely be on the ground by now is time isn't stopped.) 

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The rock clunks to the ground before his eyes.

"Yeah, the kind of magical creature I am can make stuff," says Cam.

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Vanyel closes the door, goes to the bar, and sits down. He'd want to do more experiments to confirm time is stopped and not merely slowed before, say, sleeping overnight here, but he's convinced enough that no one will bother him or start to worry for a candlemark or two. 

It's a giddy feeling. He hasn't had this kind of completely-unpressured time off since the incident with the family priest and accompanying visit to the Shadow-Lover. 

"Make stuff?" he says. "I don't think our world has any Gifts that can exactly do that. Any kind of stuff? Does it need to be made out of some kind of raw material? Is it tiring for you or can you do as much as you like?"

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"There are things I can't make but they all one way or another don't fall under the most basic definition of 'stuff' - I don't know what level of scientific understanding you're coming from. It's not made of anything. I can do it as much as I like. What kinds of things do Gifts do?"

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Vanyel's mind is tallying up a list of implications. Level of scientific understanding – of course if he's ended up in a place outside time, with a person who's had access to multiple worlds, some of them will be more advanced, that part is fascinating and he wants to know everything right now but one thing at a time. The ramifications of 'can make arbitrary stuff' are also...absurdly important, actually, if he can persuade Cam to help out with some specific problems. 

Gifts, though. 

"A wide range of things," he says. "I guess mage-gift is the most versatile. I have it. It can...explode things, very effectively. Make shields, against physical attacks or magic. Make durable artifacts with various purposes. Illusions. Instantaneous long-distance transport, although that one is very costly. Pave roads – I do a lot of that. And a mage can imitate most of the other Gifts, with enough technique." 

Pause to think. "Most people have fewer Gifts than I do, usually it's one or two. Other Gifts are... There's Fetching, which you saw. Mindspeech and Empathy are pretty important Gifts; I can read thoughts and also project my thoughts to other Mindspeakers. We use it for long-range communication in the kingdom where I live. Empathy can read emotions and project them. Farsight observes things at a distance. Foresight lets you see the future and there are two types. Short-range shows events minutes to candlemarks in the future; long-range is what I have, it usually comes as a metaphorical vision of events a long time in the future. Firestarting is exactly what it sounds like, I have it but pretty weakly so I tend to just use mage-energy if I need something on fire. Bardic Gift – somewhat like Projective Empathy, but specifically for music, can cause an audience to experience things. Healing can, well, heal people. Mindhealing is...complicated. Mostly what it sounds like. It's really rare and I don't have it. Animal Mindspeech is the other repeatable Gift I don't have." 

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"I'd rather you never read my thoughts or emotions, please. Or did anything to them. Ever. Please.

"None of those do the thing I'm waiting here looking for, sounds like."

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“Noted. Just so you know, that is the kind of thing that we considered very unethical to do without consent, so I wouldn’t do it anyway.”

Vanyel frowns. “I mean. I am considered to be...someone who’s willing to do some unethical things. But I swear that I haven’t read your thoughts or emotions, or done anything to them, and I’ll make sure to shield while I’m here so I don’t pick up anything by accident.”

He hesitates. “Er, I can’t imagine how I would end up in a situation where I needed to read your thoughts in order to save the lives of half a million people in expectation and there wasn’t time to ask permission. That’s the only circumstance I can imagine where I would consider doing it non-consensually, and if you’re telling me that you still wouldn’t be okay with it, then...I can promise that I wouldn’t do it even then. Anyway. What is the thing that you’re looking for?”

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"...uh, I don't actually require you to draw the line as high as half a million. Like... one person would probably be plenty if you were actually really sure and it wasn't a really major violation, though I don't see how it'd come up.

"I want to resurrect some people."

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Vanyel relaxes. “That’s, er, good to know - it’s not a promise I would prefer to make, all else equal, but I’ve learned the importance of respecting other people’s bright lines, and staying on friendly terms with the first person I’ve met from another world is worth a lot.”

He takes a deep breath, re-settling himself. “What, um, happened to the people you’re trying to resurrect? I might know someone who could help. Who could plausibly resurrect people in my world, at least, and who I’m...on friendly terms with.” It’s a strange way to describe his relationship with the literal god of Death but it isn’t false.

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"Uh.

The entire planet they were standing on was destroyed."

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“Oh. Gods.” That is so much worse than Vanyel thought an answer to that question could possibly be, but he’s relaxed enough that he manages not to instinctively knock over his stool or, fortunately, set anything on fire. “I’m - that’s - I’m so sorry. That’s awful. How? There’s somewhere that has weapons...magic...? that can destroy a planet?” 

The thought flashes through Vanyel’s mind that maybe he should bolt out and slam the door, no matter how interesting or potentially valuable as an ally Cam is, because as long as he’s on this side, and this place is a crossroads of some kind for other worlds, said weapon has a potential path to his world.

He decides against. More important to hear the rest. He can always run away screaming at a later point.

“Was it your world?” he adds, weakly. “Your home one, I mean.”

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"No, it wasn't mine.

"I put it back. I can put most of the people back too but not all of them."

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“Right. Making stuff. Useful.” Vanyel has about a thousand questions, mostly about the ‘can put most of the people back’, but, looking at Cam’s face, decides not to press.

“The...person...I mentioned,” he says finally. “Actually the avatar of a god. Of Death. We call him the Shadow-Lover. It’s a long story, but I have a bad habit of doing things that would get me killed, and then I end up in his realm and we talk and he sends me back. I’m pretty sure he could do it for people who’d been dead, er, longer, if he had a place to put them. In my world, anyway. Not sure he could do it outside of my world, but...I would ask. For this. Since I assume it’s a lot of people and that’d be worth it.”

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"It's about a million of the species I can't put back. I... kind of doubt an extradimensional god of death can finagle it but I wouldn't tell you not to check, if you can."

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“I kind of doubt it as well but it’s worth a try. Although I do need to arrange a near death experience, and I’m not sure how to do it in a way that’s safe-ish and doesn’t massively inconvenience anyone or upset my aunt, and probably I need to be back in my world...”

Vanyel shrugs. “I’ll mull it over.” And, in the meantime, maybe change the topic to something that doesn’t make him feel so glum. “Er, care to tell me about your original home world? Also, how do I get a drink like yours - ask by napkin?”

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"She can hear you, just walk up to her."

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It feels very awkward to address a piece of wood, but Vanyel leans forward. “Bar? Could I please, um, have one of what he’s having?” He isn’t sure if drinks in this place would go by names he would recognize.

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Of course. The first one is free. A beverage appears.

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"Right. Is there a specific kind of local currency you take, if I want to buy a drink, or does anything work?" Vanyel has a pouch of coin in the pocket of his Whites, which he isn't at all opposed to spending on drinks from a talking bar in a room outside of time; it's not like he has enough of a personal life to spend his Heraldic stipend anywhere else.

He sips the beverage, belatedly hoping it's not the case that winged, tailed magical creatures of unknown provenance have drastically different taste preferences from ordinary humans. Another question that got pushed down the queue, earlier. "Cam, what, er, species are you? If you don't mind my asking." 

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I can take arbitrary currency and also barter.

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The winged tailed magical creature apparently likes mocha.

"Uh, there's a translation effect in Milliways but in the language I've been speaking we're called 'demons'."

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Vanyel is pleased to discover that he also likes mocha. 

"...That's a very unhelpful translation, sorry – in my world demons are...people call them evil, it's not really a useful categorization. They're from the Abyssal Plane, which is a sort of magical other level of reality, I don't know if your world has that kind of thing. They're extremely stupid, constantly hungry, and you can summon them if you want a thing eaten but that's about the only use case. You're clearly something different."

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"Um, we - have mythologically-influenced bad PR, as a group - and can be summoned, but not especially the rest."

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"Can all, er, demons – sorry, is there any other name I can use, I've had some very bad my-world's-kind-of-demon experiences and I don't want to be picturing a multi-legged black monstrosity flailing at my face every time I say it." Vanyel drags a hand over his face. "Can all of your kind make stuff? Is that generally what people summon you for?" 

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"Is 'makers' better? Yes and yes."

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"That's much better. And: wow. That must have a huge effect on your world – oh, can you be summoned to other worlds too? How does it work; do people arrange trades with you for things they want? I guess it doesn't cost you much to make stuff but it does cost time. And maybe annoyance, if they're annoying–"

Vanyel breaks off. "I'm sorry if that's too many questions, it's just, I'm really curious about everything now that I know there are more worlds out there. And I'm trying to figure out if it means anything relevant for my world, I mean, other than getting as long as I want to hide from my family. Which is really nice right now." 

(Vanyel is still thinking about a million people who are dead because their planet was destroyed, and it's rebuilt and waiting for them but they aren't there, Cam can't fix that part alone, and he doesn't – it probably won't work, asking the Shadow-Lover's help, it would be sort of ridiculous if it did, but it's a thread he can pull and he has to at least try.) 

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"Summoning us - and the other two kinds, call 'em changers and movers I guess - might or might not work in your world. I have inconsistent evidence. Trades are typical. I don't really mind answering your questions per se but at some point I'm probably going to have to explain my long complicated story and I'm not looking forward to it."

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"I'm sorry. Er, would it help if I told you my complicated story for why I wanted to hide somewhere? It's, um, related to a thing where I really screwed up. Several layers of screw-up. And...one part where I think I did the right thing, probably, but nearly everyone disagrees. It's all sorted out now, as much as it can be, but things are pretty awkward at home."

Another sip of mocha. "...Um, and if it wouldn't help, that's fine too." 

(Vanyel is surprised to find that he wouldn't mind talking about it. Maybe it's that he only has one reference for 'a place to hide outside of time', and it's the Shadow-Lover's realm, where he makes a habit of complaining about everything he never gets the chance to share otherwise. Maybe it's just that Cam is likable.)

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"I guess it's the sort of thing that in principle might help but I don't expect it to, really."

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“Oh. Um, that’s fine then, I don’t have to.” Vanyel pretends to stare intently at the explosions, to hide his flush of embarrassment, it’s not helpful to feel as unbearably awkward as he does but it’s happening anyway.

“I should eventually at least tell my Companion where I am,” he says finally, mostly to have something to break the silence. “Sorry - a Companion is an intelligent magical spirit in a horse body, it’s a thing in my kingdom. I’m not really looking forward to telling her, though, she’s...going to be weird about it. It’s not like she’ll worry, anyway, if it’s only been a few seconds out there.”

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"What's she going to be weird about?"

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"Hard to explain, and I'm not sure that she will, but...just that it's weird? The whole part with there apparently being other worlds and different magic. I think we have a communication issue around things that are weird." Vanyel shrugs. "I don't know how to point at it better without getting into, um, the really high context long story." 

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"I guess that's fair."

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"...You know, you would hate being Chosen. By a Companion, I mean. Given the mindreading and all."

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"...yes. I would hate that a whole lot."

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"The way it's supposed to work, where I'm from, is that if you're Chosen, your Companion is just in your head. All the time. It drove me up the wall at first. I guess it never occurred to me to wonder if the mindreading bothered me, it's so taken for granted, but the nagging got on my nerves. A lot. I...sort of stopped letting her read my surface thoughts, a while back." 

Vanyel's smiling. Kind of surprising, given the topic, but he's...cheerful? "Bar? Could I have another one of the same – actually, do you have a similar drink with a different flavor?" He pulls out his pouch of coins. 

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Bar produces a caramel latte and a pricetag-napkin.

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"It sounds less bad if you can stop allowing it?"

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Vanyel glances at the napkin, checking if it's actually denominated in Valdemaran coppers or silvers. A drink at a cheap tavern costs around a copper, a good tavern might be five, but this is delicious enough that he wouldn't mind if it were more. 

"People with mind-Gifts in my world can also shield. That means, no one can read my mind against my will, except maybe a Mindhealer if they were trying for some reason, but they're generally ethical – oh! I wonder if I could teach you to shield. Then even if you run into someone with my world's kind of mindreading and fewer scruples, you'd be protected. Un-Gifted people in my world can learn to shield, usually, they just tend not to have access to training." 

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It's two coppers.

"What kind of time investment are we talking about here? I'm not planning to leave Milliways till I find someone who can help with my million dead people."

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"It depends if you pick it up quickly? Might be a candlemark or two, might be a lot longer, I haven't tried to teach un-Gifted people before. But I understand if it's not your top priority." 

Vanyel forces his teeth to un-grit. "...Given what is your top priority, I should make a plan for how to ask the Shadow-Lover, so you can at least cross that off if it's a no-go. And, um, there's someone else who probably can't do it himself, but who would definitely know for sure if there are any other powers in this world to investigate. I'm almost certain he would want to help given the payoff. The problem is the 'almost' – I can't verify what he wants or whether he's on, er, the side of good. I'm trying to think if there's a way that your making-stuff could solve that." He takes a deep breath. "I probably do need the whole story and all the context, to make either of those asks." 

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"Right, that's reasonable.

Uh. I guess the short one without all the extraneous details is - I made a deal with an evil god. He has to stop... doing evil. That's verifiably enforceable. Unless I made a mistake with the wording it's a done deal. What he wanted was - not even the whole million of them, just fourteen - fourteen other gods dead. Only way to do it was to - destroy the planet. Without warning anybody.

I can put most of the planet and people back."

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Vanyel absently gulps the rest of his drink while trying to figure out what in all hells is an appropriate thing to say. 

"That's really impressive," is what comes out.

Which is true but probably not helpful. "I, um, I mean – I'm sorry, that sounds awful, I'm...amazed that you're sane – I don't mean any offense by that, sorry..." He's doing such a terrible job of this. "I don't know what mechanism your world has for enforcing a deal like that–"

And Vanyel wants to know, it's exactly the sort of thing that might imaginably solve his little trust problem with Leareth (who he's pretty sure would also be impressed with Cam's scheme), and he wants to know how 'making stuff' lets Cam bring back specific people who were dead, but he so, so incredibly shouldn't ask right now, and especially shouldn't ask if it might extend to his world...

"But if you were justifiably confident it would work," he says, "if you're right about pulling it off, and if 'evil god' means the magnitude of awfulness that I'm imagining, then you did, well, at least think you did the right thing. I'm sorry you had to. I really hope you find someone who can help you make the cost lower. With those million people. I'm going to try to think through exactly what other details I need before I go, er, ask, because I'm sure you don't want to talk about it any more than you have to." 

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"Most of the people in that universe were - copies and copies and copies of people he'd captured, because they were a kind of person he could copy as many times as he wanted, and make experience time a lot faster, and then torture constantly. And he was definitely already doing it before he could offer to stop to get the other gods murdered. Uh, that kind of god - the fifteen big ones and the million-odd littler ones, collectively Ainur - plus a couple of the regular non-god species of the world - can make binding oaths. It would normally not make sense to trust an Ainu's oath because they have to actually speak it and not use an illusion or something but it turned out - tested with a friendlier one - that I can selectively conjure only the audio recordings of real spoken words, so I could tell if he'd really said the wording we gave him or not. - I was working with some people who were, uh, conducting a more recognizable kind of war with the evil god."

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Vanyel's mind spends about three seconds diving into all his questions about kinds of people that can be copied and made to experience time faster and what that even means, catches on the 'torture constantly', and goes into lockdown, that's something he definitely isn't going to think about right now. 

"Smart that you tested it," he says faintly. "I'm glad you had access to a friendlier god, must've been helpful. I, um..." Ask the relevant questions, he reminds himself, not all of them at once. "Is the fact that the evil god could make copies of people related to why you can bring most of the people back? And it's the million little gods – the beings that could make binding oaths – that you need help with?"

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"Yes and yes. The copiable people have - I'm guessing here based on your clothes and your money what kind of tech level you have, correct me if I seem to be guessing wrong - they have complicated tiny machines inside their heads, and everything that goes on in their brain, the machine records. If they die, you can dig out the machine and put a new body around it and they're good as new. If you're an evil god, you can dig out the machine and take the recording and re-write it to more and more machines and then without even needing a body they can think and feel. Also the machines sent their information to one of the fourteen dead gods and he could make replacement machines and bodies, if he wanted, to bring them back to life, and there were also some devices one of these people invented that took copies too. Makers can't make minds. If I made a copy of, say, you, it'd just lie there. Nothing smarter than a snail works right when we make it. But I can make the bodies and the machines and then copy the recordings off those devices, since I was working with the inventor's people. That' s how I'm putting the people on the destroyed planet back. I'm about halfway done."

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"That's... I followed that but barely and it makes my head hurt," though how much of that is because it's horrifying, "and I...have more practice thinking about weird hypotheticals than most people in my world. So it's possible you overestimated our tech level, I don't know." Vanyel rubs his eyes. "So, right, I see how that's a case of just making 'stuff' – although I think it means your maker ability is a lot more powerful than I thought, if you can make a specific item without actually knowing all the specifics of it, just sort of...having a label? Magic in my world isn't like that, you get exactly what you put in."

Stay focused. "Anyway, so it wouldn't apply either for a person without a special machine in their head, like me, or for a god. Er, what kinds of beings are gods, in your– in the world where this happened? Are they magical? People in my world have spirits, that...get stored, sort of, if their body dies," and he's not going to think about that either, thank you, "but I assume that's related to how magic fits in with other natural forces here, so it won't necessarily hold for those gods even if they are magical in some sense." 

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"Ainur are magical. They're something like a region of space in which they can control matter; they can use this to build and operate a body, but they aren't themselves the body or any part of it, and can do without one. And yeah, I can make stuff based on a label, like title and author for a book, but I can't get too cute with it."

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"Huh. How does one kill an Ainu, then? If they're not really embodied or reliant on a body and they control the space around them? I'm also curious what 'too cute' looked like, er, but that's less important." 

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"Uh. Is your planet understood to be a sphere?"

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"Yes, we do have astronomy and some scholar somewhere did an experiment once – 'understood to be' might imply more of the population knowing it than I think does, but I am fairly sure our planet is spherical. Why?" 

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"Planets are spherical because stuff, in general, goes toward other stuff; a planet is a lot of stuff that has done this and accretes in a round fashion because that's the way it can do it most efficiently. This is also why toward the planet is down.

"I made a lot of very very dense stuff in the middle of their planet. This didn't just eat the planet, it also turns out to have weird effects on space itself."

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"Oh! I think I read a treatise once with a theory about that. Um, not the part where it eats the planet or gets even weirder, about that being why planets are round. What sort of weird effects?" 

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"...I have an engineering education but not really a physics one. My deal with Melkor was to hole the planet - dense stuff is called 'black holes' - and was explicitly still on if it didn't work as long as it wasn't because I warned them to do magic about it. So exactly how it would kill them wasn't really at issue except that he thought it would work."

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Possibly Vanyel needs to acquire a 'physics education', whatever that is. Not now, though. Focus. 

"Right. So if you, er, mess up the area-of-effect for Ainur badly enough, like by doing that to their entire planet, they die. Tell me if this is a useless line of questioning you've already been down, but...what does that actually mean? I understand what it means for a human body to die, physically, and what it means in our world for the spirit, soul, to get broken off from the body and go elsewhere. Do you know what happens to the Ainu that died, magically speaking, given that it basically is just a field of magic?" 

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"Uh, no, but I could get more detail if any of the survivors from the other inhabited planet will talk to me. They might not. They're... upset. They can talk to each other inst- at any distance. And were talking to the ones I killed, in the background."

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"Oh." Vanyel holds back on the 'that's horrible.'. "I'm calling that information costly to obtain, then. Probably not worth trying before I find out if the Shadow-Lover would even be willing to work outside my – his – world. I'm going to sit here for a bit and think if there's anything else he would be likely to ask me." 

Vanyel thinks. 

"If you know anything more about how their communication at a distance works, in the local magic, that would be useful? I might be missing something else obvious that I should ask."  

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"I was about to say 'instantaneously'. You know how thunder is slower than lightning?"

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"Yes – why?" It's going to be some other bizarre law of nature that Valdemar hasn't discovered yet, like how very dense things eat planets, isn't it?

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"Light has a speed. The two planets are twenty five years at that speed apart. Uh, I think the translation effect is okay at units because I have a guess at what a candlemark is. But the Ainur talking to each other are really instant."

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"Right, so they use magic to talk much faster than if they were, I don't know, beaming a giant flashlight back and forth? Is that very unusual?"

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"Light is the fastest non-magical thing. The copiable people - they're called Elves - had invented ships that could go anywhere five days, but they didn't do that by traveling at a speed, they did it by doing some other thing I don't actually understand which made the transit time anywhere in the universe five days."

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"That's – what does that even, how–" Not. The. Point. "Sorry. I'm going to think about this for a moment and then try to summarize." And maybe Vanyel will ask Bar for another delicious drink. He wants something to get ready for his upcoming appointment, the fact that he presumably has to ask Yfandes for help planning which means explaining, and he needs to go – right.

"Also, I forgot to ask. Door stays a door to here if someone's holding it. Can I, um, call someone else to do that?" Yfandes may or may not fit inside but could at least prop it with her body – but not if she's helping him orchestrate a deliberate near-death experience, and Savil is an even worse proposition than Yfandes... Lissa, maybe. She might actually be incurious enough to hold a door to an otherworldly room and make conversation with a winged tailed stranger without asking him any more questions. 

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Yes, anyone from your world can hold it open to your world.

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"If it's someone else from my world - my sister, say - could she close the door and hang out in here and then open it again later to let me in?" Vanyel is picturing Lissa's reaction to the whole thing, and the one thing he's sure of is that she's going to see a bar and want a drink. He frowns. "Oh, but I guess that would mean time was paused outside in my world, relative to here? That might be inconvenient if Cam is waiting on me to, er, get my answer." 

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Yes, time will only pass in your world while the door is open, unless something unusual is going on. But someone else from your world can maintain door access in the same way you can.

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“That’s very helpful. Thank you, Bar.”

Vanyel turns back to Cam. “Um, I wanted to ask. If there’s anything you can think of - with your maker power, or knowledge from more, er, advanced worlds - if there’s any definitely reversible way I can arrange to almost die. I was thinking I would use my magic to remove all the air from a shield-bubble that I’m inside, but...I expect it to be extremely not fun, and it’s not maximally safe since there’s not actually a Healer in residence in my father’s keep right now.”

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"Uh. I went to medical school and could probably dose drugs for that without actually killing you but maybe you should ask the person staffing the infirmary to come with you. She can't help me with my thing, I checked, but she'd probably be able to spot you."

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“You have an infirmary here? That’s incredibly useful, and yes, I should definitely do that if you’re comfortable with it, thank you!”

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"It's around the corner. Uh, I don't want to actually leave the premises but I can administer at range if you don't mind being within sight of the door for it. This is so you can talk to your death god? He didn't leave a mailing address?" Cam gets down from the barstool and shows Vanyel around to where the infirmary is.

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“...Yes. And no. I might ask him for one though.” Vanyel smiles briefly as he follows Cam. “Never had a reason to, um, contact him deliberately before, the other times were the an incidental result of someone trying to kill me. Or my being an idiot. I wouldn’t expect you to go out there and I don’t mind being within sight of the door.” He would slightly prefer a less public locale, but if it does bring his entire family running, at least he’ll have already accomplished the task.

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The infirmary contains a woman who stands up and says, "Show me where you're hurt," when they come in.

"She's kind of, uh, weird," says Cam. "Her world has no published written material Bar can get ahold of - Bar is also a library - so I don't know how to figure out what her deal is."

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“Huh.” Vanyel smiles at the woman. “I’m not actually hurt right now, but there’s something I, um, wanted to ask if you could help with...” He repeats the request.

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"He isn't hurt but he is going to be. Can you come out and wait, and when he's hurt, heal him?" Cam clarifies when she looks nonplussed.

"Yes," she says.

She follows them out.

"Bar," says Cam, "is he pharmacologically human like what I trained on so far as you know?"

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"How old are you, do you have a preexisting caffeine tolerance, are you allergic to anything, do you have any conditions affecting your general health especially your heart and lung function, you probably don't know your blood type and it probably won't come up but -" He materializes something. "B-poz." It goes up in flames. "Do you know how much you weigh?"

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Vanyel blinks at Cam for a moment. “I’m thirty years old - years in my world, I don’t know if that differs between worlds? I have no idea what ‘caffeine’ is, I’m not allergic to anything as far as I know. I did get stabbed in the lung once, long story, but I think it got completely Healed, I got stabbed in the gut on a different occasion and that one still bothers me sometimes but not in a way where it’s dangerous according to our Healers. One time my heart stopped when I had horrible pneumonia but I suspect that’s less because of anything wrong with it and more because the Shadow-Lover wanted to tell me off for being an idiot. I think that’s everything relevant there. I weigh nine stone.”

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"...coffee, which you've now had two cups of, contains caffeine. Probably don't have more today if you're not used to it. You'll develop a tolerance and it's addictive and it can make you anxious."

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“Oh.” Vanyel spends a moment trying to figure out if he’s anxious, or otherwise feeling different than he would expect. “...Is that why I’m in a weirdly good mood? That’s too bad because I wanted more, but I guess that makes sense if it’s addictive, and I won’t.”

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"People can responsibly use caffeine to, like, wake up in the morning every day with a skipped weekend once in a while to ratchet their tolerance down, but you should be aware you're doing it. I use it to skip sleep because I don't in fact need sleep and can't be addicted to things, but you're a human."

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“...I’m so jealous, needing to sleep is one of my least favorite parts of being a human. I’ll be responsible, though.” Vanyel glances at the door. “Shall we? I’ll need to give my Companion a quick explanation and then ask her to find my sister to hold the door open for us.”

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"Go ahead."

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Vanyel opens the door and sticks his head out. 

:Yfandes? I need you to find Lissa and drag her over to the chapel. And, um – something really important happened and I promise I'll give you all the details soon but I need you to be patient. Quick version is: I found a magical room outside time that connects other worlds sometimes, and I met someone from another world who really, really needs our help. In order to bring about a million people back from the dead, it's important. I have a plan to talk to the Shadow-Lover and I swear it's safe; the person I met, Cam, has a really powerful kind of magic and also access to a Healer, he's helping. I just need Lissa to hold the door so it stays open to the magical place outside time, and I need you to...be nearby. And not panic that I'm going to reversibly die for five seconds. And maybe while I'm at it, I can ask the Shadow-Lover about some of our other problems: 

Pause. 

:'Fandes, listen, we...could really use Cam's help. But he's not going to do anything else until he's solved this problem. Understandably. So I want to make that happen: 

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:Chosen, are you INSANE?:

(There are mental horse grumbles. Vanyel pushes across some of his memories of the last candlemark. He doesn't back down. ) 

:Fine, I'm coming. But we need to have a talk after this: 

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A while later, a girl comes jogging toward them, with a white horse following behind her. 

"Van, what do you – wait. What?" She reaches the door. "What happened to the chapel? Why is there – ooh, is that a bar? Who's this? Van, can you please tell me what's going on?" 

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"It's a place outside time. At least when the door is closed and I'm inside. It's complicated. This is Cam – Cam, meet my sister, Lissa." Vanyel says it as matter-of-factly as he can. "Lissa, I promise I'll explain everything soon, but right now I need you to hold the door open so I can step out for a minute without losing the way into this place. I'll buy you a drink at the bar after."

He hands off the door to Lissa, steps outside, and waves to the woman in the infirmary. :Yfandes, sorry: 

"Cam, I think you can go ahead and, er, do the thing now." 

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"It's nice to meet you, Lissa. You ready?" Cam asks the healer.

"...do you need healing?" she asks, confused.

"...go stand over there," Cam says, pointing where Vanyel is. "He's going to."

She goes and stands over there and watches Vanyel.

"You might want to, like, lie down," Cam tells him.

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"Oh, right, that's a good idea." Vanyel lies down on the cobbles and crosses his hands under his head. :See, 'Fandes, we have a plan and everything: 

He waits, trying not to be nervous, it's not like he hasn't died four times already and this time isn't going to involve any stabbing. 

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"Count down from ten for me?"

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"...Um, sure. Ten, nine, eight..." 

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"Honestly, Van, do I even want to know what you're doing?" 

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Vanyel doesn't get to seven.

"- okay, now," Cam says to the healer.

The healer lays her hand on Vanyel's forehead.

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Yfandes is an extremely unhappy Companion, but only briefly. 

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Vanyel tries to sit up, fails, mumbles something indistinct, and settles for flopping over. 

"M'fine...just a minute... Cam, need paper. Notes. Useful conversation. Long though." He feels a lot like he was just woken from a deep sleep in the middle of the night after an evening of drinking far too much. He's also inexplicably freezing cold. Overall, though, it's one of the most pleasant ways that he's ever almost died. "Should we – door – inside?" 

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Lissa doesn't let go of the door and run to Vanyel, but she looks like she wants to. Instead, she turns to glare at Cam. "You. What just happened?" 

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Paper appears. "- uh, he decided to postpone explaining, so I think I'm going to defer to him on that? Please don't let go of the door -" He appears a wheeled platform under Vanyel attached to a rope, wheels it in.

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"That's really neat! How did you do that?" Lissa aims the glare at her brother instead. "Van, you really owe me for this one. Oh – if we're all coming inside now, can I let go of the door? Van promised me a drink but he looks, um, indisposed. How do I order? I don't see anyone..." 

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Yfandes stares longingly at the door, which is slightly too narrow for a horse to squeeze through. Vanyel is busy trying to write out a list, with dubious success. 

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Cam hands Lissa a little sack of coppers. "The bar is magic and can hear you." And he makes toasty air around Vanyel. "Uh - Yfandes? You should be able to fit in, door's magic -"

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Yfandes rushes through the door, which somehow gives her no difficulty, and settles herself onto the floor, resting her head on Vanyel's stomach. 

He shoves at her, not very effectively. "'Fandes, I'm busy." 

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"Ooh!" Lissa beams at Cam. "That's incredible! Did you make this place too?" She darts over to the bar. "Bar? Can I get a – actually, never mind. Surprise me. Just make sure it'll get me tipsy." 

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First one's free! Here is something fizzy and pale yellow.

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"No, I didn't make it, I found it same as him."

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Vanyel levers himself up on one elbow. He smiles in Cam's general direction. "You made the, um, the warm? Thank you, s'nice. Have some thoughts..." He rubs his eyes and then absently reaches for Yfandes' made. "Sorry. Had to write it down. Talked about some other things too, relevant to my world. Anyway."

He makes an apologetic face. "The bad news is that the Shadow-Lover doesn't think he – er, the larger god that he's an avatar for, that is – can help directly. Though he said I could try the same thing again in the world in question, and if I do still end up in his realm, They can try to follow me back."

Pause while Vanyel scrabbles at the paper. "The rest is, we mostly talked through half-baked ideas. Suggestions were, hmm... I experiment with my kind of magic in that world; which kinds work and how might tell us more about the way magic works there. In particular, could try scrying or Farsight on the affected area, um, where the planet used to be. And I could talk to other gods. Since they're not mad at me. Um, also. Really should bring in my, er, acquaintance. S'not just that he knows everything about this world – he's immortal, see – but he's smart, he thinks like...like you did, making that plan in the first place. He'll see things I don't. Problem is he might be evil. Dunno for sure how to verify he's not, but if you're willing to contribute your maker power, can arrange something." He grimaces. "You're not gonna like it though. Thing I need most is to read his mind. On neutral ground, safe... Could let him read mine too, just to – need trust. Unless you've got better ideas."

And he flops back again. "Might need a nap." 

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Lissa nearly spits out a mouthful of her drink (which is delicious). 

"Van, what in all hells are you talking about?" She looks imploringly at Cam again. "Are you sure you can't explain? He doesn't seem like he's going to." 

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Cam tows Vanyel toward the couches by the fireplace and heaves him up onto the couch, presuming Yfandes allows this. "Uh, this is a magic interdimensional crossroads place. I found it. He found it. He wanted to ask your world's death god something. She's a healer from another world - you can go back to the infirmary," he adds to the healer, who scurries. "And was on standby to make sure he was okay while I provided a safer near-death experience than his own idea. He asked the death god if he could help with some people where I came from who are dead and I want to resurrect."

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Lissa's face goes through a series of interesting expressions. "Oh. I see. Right. That's...gods, that's the most Vanyel plan ever." She rolls her eyes. "Thing you need to know about my little brother. Is that he will look for excuses to do self-destructive things and argue he's being helpful. Not saying his crazy idea wasn't worth trying, just, try not to indulge him in future?" 

(Yfandes hovers nearby and watches Cam intently, but doesn't try to intervene.) 

Lissa gulps the rest of her drink. "Anyway, I'm sorry the Shadow-Lover doesn't want to help you. I'd offer to help but I don't have magic or anything, I'm just good with a sword. In case that's useful at all. Bar? Can I pay for another one of those?" 

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"I don't think it is but I'll keep an eye out."

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Two copper.

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Vanyel lies with his eyes closed, snores briefly, wakes up and grabs for his paper again, blinks at the ceiling for a while, yawns, and finally sits up. 

"Sorry. I'm awake now. Lissa, I'm sorry I didn't explain. I think Cam covered it? Cam, if you have more questions, I know that came out pretty jumbled–"

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"He most certainly didn't!" Lissa slams two coppers down on the bar, and then yelps. "Sorry! Bar, that was rude. I'm mad at my brother, not you." She spins back to face Vanyel. "First of all, are you friends with the Shadow-Lover or something? Secondly. Who in all of Velgarth is your 'acquaintance'? Immortal? Maybe evil?" 

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Vanyel sighs. "Sorry. I should explain it properly to both of you at once. I want to hear Cam's initial thoughts, though." 

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"Uh. If the both of you and whoever you're talking about are okay with trust-establishment mindreading between the two of you I don't really consider it my business to object, but I'm not clear on what help you expect him to be."

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"I don't have specifics or anything. Just that he's smarter than me and he'll pull out something I would never have thought of. If he's telling the truth about his motives, he deliberately figured out a way to become immortal some number of thousands of years ago because he thought the world had too many problems and he needed to stick around longer to fix them. He's founded half a dozen empires and tried all sorts of experiments in government and written treatises on an unbelievable number of topics. Unsurprisingly, he knows more about magic than literally anyone else alive. And he hates the gods of our world and is trying to scheme around them, so he'd be sympathetic to your situation.

"...Um, also, the way I know him is that I've had a Foresight dream for the last, er, fourteen years, in which I'm facing off his army which is about to invade our kingdom. He told me that invading is the first step in a plan to fix everything. Since then we've had some further negotiations. Still haven't sorted it out. He might be lying about his values, but he definitely isn't lying about the immortality or about his competence." 

"If you want everything thrown at your problem, I think it might be worthwhile. Oh, and his name is Leareth." 

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"...I could spy on his extant written works if he's the type to take notes? Uh, but if this guy isn't necessarily trustworthy I can also just wait longer for someone else from a world with more resurrection-friendly magic to come by. I'm immortal."

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"You can do that? ...Right, your maker magic just needs a label. That's an excellent idea, he's definitely the sort of person who keeps records. If you can find the right query to get his personal journals or something, that'll tell us a lot more than his historical record-keeping, which is all I've been able to track down. Um, not to mention that you might find out more things about magic in this world."

Vanyel stares into the fire and tries to think. He really, really wants Cam to agree. He...isn't sure why. He wants Cam's problem to be solved, obviously – but, as Cam just pointed out, there are other worlds, and one of them might be better suited. It doesn't matter if Vanyel, personally, is the one to help bring back a million dead people, only that it happens.

He wants to know if he can trust Leareth. 

"It would solve my biggest problem," he admits. "Knowing whether I have to fight Leareth or, I don't know, help him fix everything in my world. So I guess I have a motive here. If it helped both of us, it would be a good trade."

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"You're immortal?" Lissa breaks in. "How did you get that way? How old are you?" 

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"I am a hundred and seventy two and in my original world people have afterlives whereupon we're indestructible. If we did certain magic in life, which I did, we also get to be a magical creature. I personally got that way when a guy murdered me."

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"That's awesome! ...I mean, sorry, not the being murdered part, that's horrible and that guy was a bastard. But being immortal and getting to be a magical creature! Can people from other worlds do the magic? Because I want in." 

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"At least sometimes. I don't know if it'd get you the afterlife situation."

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"Lissa," Vanyel says, "can we, maybe, figure that out later? Cam, would you need any more information to try to grab Leareth's notes?" 

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"No, but I do hesitate some about digging into people's personal writing without permission. What exactly is the deal with this guy, how are you acquainted?"

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"Oh. I can ask him if permission is the issue. We've been speaking – in the dreams – for fourteen years. Um, you're welcome to grab my notes on the conversations to get a summary. We've made a lot of progress in building trust, just, not enough. It's a good test, actually. If he's been telling me the truth about his goals, I think he will agree, maybe with some caveats." 

Vanyel frowns. "My only way of talking to him is through the Foresight vision, which I don't control the schedule of, but it tends to happen if I've just gotten new information and this sure is that. But I'd need to sleep out in my world for a night." 

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"Which would inconvenience your sister. Uh, you are... communicating via foresight? I'm not sure I follow."

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"Fair enough. It's pretty weird and I think I keep not explaining it properly." Vanyel folds his hands carefully in his lap. "I have the Gift of Foresight. Right after I got that Gift, I started having a vision of myself fighting a powerful mage and his army, in a pass in the north. Straightforward enough. Then some months in, I was, um, practicing lucid dreaming, and something really strange happened and suddenly we were both in the same lucid dream and had a conversation. Then it kept happening. I've done enough external checks that I'm pretty damn sure it's real." 

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"...sounds useful but confusing. How do you check whether a dream set in the future is real?"

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"Oh. I mean, I don't actually know if the events depicted in the dream are going to happen. Sort of suspect they won't, given that I've got warning and it would be stupid to go meet him at the pass without my own army. But I'm convinced that me, in the present, is talking to him, also in the present. We've exchanged verifiable information that way. Um, Foresight doesn't normally work like this and I have no idea why mine is different either." 

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"...huh. Well, you can tell him my mailing label. If he writes 'letter to Cam' - uh, hm, translation effect may spoil that. If he writes me a letter and puts 'letter to Cam' on it I will use the translation effect to sort it out from anything else he's writing."

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"Sure. I can do that. Wish it worked the other way round – it's very inconvenient that I can't get messages to him except via the dream. Since I don't actually know where he lives except 'very far north'." 

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"I don't mind holding the door," Lissa says brightly. "As long as Bar doesn't close at night. I've got money, I don't need to keep spending yours." She looks around. "Can 'Fandes and I take turns? I mean, she doesn't have hands but she can sort of stand in it." 

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"Should work. Uh, Bar takes counterfeit, so you should absolutely continue to spend my money."

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"Oh. Lovely. You're wonderful, did you know that?" 

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Vanyel smirks. "Lissa, you have fun – er, maybe not too much fun, I know you're on vacation but this is kind of important." He's wishing he could think of a way to say 'please behave and don't try to seduce Cam, I'm pretty sure he's not into it'. "I, um, I guess I'm going to go get some sleep now. I'll see you in the morning." 

And he pauses to stroke Yfandes' mane, and then slips out through the door. 

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"- there are hotel rooms upstairs if you want to try for useful time dilation!" Cam calls. "Though I'm not sure how horse-compatible the design is."

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"Oh, hmm, I was worried the dream won't actually happen if I'm in here and not actually in my world, but I guess my other magic does work here – at least, I've tested mage-gift, and I can Mindspeak with 'Fandes."

Vanyel closes his eyes and focuses. "Farsight works, I can See the infirmary. Just a moment..." He Fetches his note-paper to his hand. "Check. I don't know if Foresight is different, though, or if I might get the dream but have Leareth shut out of it if we're in different worlds. But...maybe worth trying, for the time dilation part. What's your experience of different kinds of magic from other worlds working in here versus not?" 

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"Uh, I can make stuff fine, I don't have much else to try. The healer's magic works. So does the Security guy."

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"What sort of magic does the security guy have?" 

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"It's very high powered and generic but only works in his world and here."

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That's a bit vague but Vanyel lets it be. "All right. Hmm. If, er, he were standing right where I am, with the door open to his world, could he cast with his magic through the door. Or, maybe better question – if he was outside and had a friend inside holding the door, could he cast and affect this area?" 

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"I didn't ask that, but I can while you nap if you like."

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"...Might as well try it, then. Worst case I get a nap and the dream doesn't work and then we learn something. It's fine if 'Fandes needs to stay down here." 

(It's, perhaps, preferable if Yfandes stays downstairs. She's been doing the silent-and-cagey thing in response to all of his Mindspeech asides.) 

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"Bet Bar can feed horses too."

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Yfandes would like that! Even if she is kind of uncomfortable with the existence of a bar that communicates by napkin. Or a room outside time. Or a stranger with bizarre otherworldly magic using it to enable her Chosen to almost kill himself on purpose, 'safely' or otherwise. 

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Lissa sits down with her back against the door, legs crossed and feet propped up on the opposite side of threshold. She sips her drink. "Say, Cam, what happened to the dead people you want to resurrect?" 

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"It's a long story. Uh, in brief, collateral damage in a very bad war. I destroyed their planet."

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“Oh. Um, do wars where you’re from usually result in planets being destroyed? I guess my company sure did burn a lot of farms in the war with Karse. Never realized how many civilians starved thanks to us until my brother won the war for us - speaking of collateral damage, that. And they sent me over to be our Guard liaison with the new queen of Karse.” She makes a sympathetic face at him. “Did you win?”

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"It's not usual.

We won."

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“...You seem kind of upset about that.”

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"...I murdered fifty-five million noncombatants. I've been putting them back, the ones I can put back, nonstop for months till I found this place, dozens every minute, and I'm only half done. Their planet had some irreplaceable magical properties, and all the vertebrate animals that don't lay eggs are gone because I can't make those right, and the property that lets me resurrect most of the casualties doesn't finish growing in till partway through pregnancy so I'm bringing back expecting parents without their babies. A million inhabitants of the world aren't the right species to bring back till I find a fix for that in here. It's not really the most important feature of the situation that I am upset but, yeah, I'm upset."

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Lissa chews her lip for a while. 

"I feel like I'm supposed to say something consoling," she says finally. "But I'm no good at that. I don't know – that's terrible? That's too many dead people? No goddamned wonder you're upset. I'd be extremely concerned about being in the same enclosed space as you if you weren't." 

She falls silent, staring out at the courtyard. It's nearly sunset. 

"Was it worth it?" she says finally. 

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"Think so."

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"Mmm." 

Eventually, Yfandes finishes her meal and meanders over, nudging at Lissa's shoulder with her muzzle. 

"Oh, it's your turn. Thanks." Lissa absently pats her on the neck and stands. "Cam, I'm getting another drink, want anything? Also, would you like a hug? I don't know if you do hugs."

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"...I sometimes do hugs?"

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"Oh, you're like my brother. Well, it's fine if you don't want a hug from me in particular, I won't be offended." Lissa puts down a handful of coppers on the bar. "Bar, surprise me again with something else?" 

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This surprise is cinnamony and white.

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Lissa makes a suspicious face. "Is this even alcoholic? I mean, no offense, it's very delicious–"

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"Listen, I just found out about fifty-five million people getting their planet exploded under them. Right after my brother stole my vacation like he always does. I want something that'll get me drunk." Cut off, she mouths at Cam, rolling her eyes. 

Once Bar fixes her drink, maybe she'll go curl up by the fireplace until Yfandes needs a break at the door. 

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Outside, night falls.

Shortly afterward, Vanyel wanders back down into the bar area, stretching and looking very well-rested. He hunts around for the source of the music, sees Cam, and hovers awkwardly until the end of the song.

“You’re very good,” he says. “What instrument is that? I’ve never seen one like it.”

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"It's called a violin."

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Vanyel wants to ask if he can try the instrument, and where Cam learned the song, and about a hundred questions about music in other worlds, but it really isn’t the top priority right now.

“Good news,” he says tightly. “Talked to him. Wait, is it still dark? Thought it’d be morning by now.” He hesitates for about half a second. “I’m going to get coffee anyway and then I’ll fill you in. Um, first thing: I told Leareth your ‘mailing address’ and he said he’d think about it. So you could check and see if he’s had the chance yet.”

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Cam checks his mail. "I don't think you should be trying to stay on your usual daycycle in here if you might be here long."

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There is not (yet) anything in Cam's mail. 

"Noted," Vanyel says. "Figure we have to keep the door open, then, give Leareth a chance to wake up in the morning and decide if he wants to write you anything."

He wanders over to the bar. 

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 Lissa beats him there, requests 'another of the delicious one, spiked', and in response to his raised eyebrows, sticks out her tongue. "Look, it might be morning for you, but I haven't gone to bed yet." 

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Bar obliges her.

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Vanyel obtains a mocha, carries it across to Cam's booth, and sits. "Right. So, what we talked about. Leareth is – first off, I'm not at all sure he believes me. He mentioned wondering if I've gone insane, or if this is some kind of bizarre scheme against him. However. He's interested in learning more. He said that if I am telling the truth, and you're telling the truth – which, er, he expressed that he might want to verify in more depth before taking costly action based on your claims – then it's very relevant to his interests, and he...would offer his help in exchange for your advice? Didn't say advice on what, and I'm confused because, I mean, you are very competent at a surprising number of things but I don't think anything I said hinted that you were good at empire-building."

Vanyel sips the mocha and takes out his notes. "Next. Leareth said that in exchange for what he's going to write you at some point – if he decides to go ahead, he wasn't sure yet, but I'm almost certain he will – and then assuming that you want to proceed in getting his help, he would like every treatise you have access to on both magical and mundane natural laws of the world in question. Which he pointed out that he can't use against us, since if I'm telling the truth, we can arbitrarily pause time on him if he tries. A next step would be for us to arrange to speak to one of the other gods, obtain more firsthand observations on the deaths. At some point he'd be willing to figure out something to demonstrate trust, but he wants to think more about the details of how." 

Notes are flipped through. 

"Leareth told me he can't make sense of how any purely physical manipulation could permanently destroy a god which is a non-material ambient magical force over an area, though he admits other worlds could be different. Oh, and he has theorized about something similar to what you described, the 'black hole', I guess it's one of the treatises he never published and is in some cave somewhere." Pause. "Um. So. Questions?" 

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"...we can't permanently pause him unless you never go home. It buys you a lot of prep time but you have to spend it all here. Uh, the books won't be in a language he can read, does your world have magic translation? It'll take ten days minimum to get ahold of a Maia and that's if a cooperative one turns up immediately on request, my door is on New Valinor and the surviving Maiar are on Endorë."

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Vanyel presses his hands to his temples and tries to think. 

"You're right, the pausing-time thing has its limitations as a countermove. I didn't actually describe your powers to him, though, I let it seem like you used an artifact or force from that world, so that's something he wouldn't see coming. Er, for translation, I'm not sure how you're planning to read his writing, but he said you presumably had a setup to translate, and if you could give him a basic dictionary once you translate his work, he's got several millennia of practice with languages and he thinks he can figure it out. Maybe he does have magic translation, I don't know of any but wouldn't put it past him." 

He sighs. "Ten days. Not cheap to obtain. Probably want to at least be sure that he's definitely on our side, first. So I guess wait for, um, morning-out-there?" 

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"I'm going to read his writing by being in Milliways while I do it. This won't really give me a leg up on helping him read Arda languages, though I could make it work with some elaborate technology."

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“This place has built in translation magic? On top of everything else?” That is almost absurdly useful. “Would it work for me as well?”

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"You can understand me, can't you?"

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...That is, in hindsight, kind of obvious.

”Does that mean could read the um, Arda books here?” Vanyel offers. “If I take notes those would presumably be in Valdemaran. Which Leareth speaks. That gives us a chance to vet what we’re passing along.” And an excuse to read about what sounds like a deeply fascinating topic. “Er, what’s the elaborate technology option?”

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"I can make machines that can analyze the complete written corpus of a language - which I can also make - and figure out how to translate it. Not especially well, but the ability to spot check its work would help, and the Milliways effect would let me do that. In addition to letting you read books from anywhere."

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"Oh, interesting. Is it very inconvenient to do that?" It sounds incredibly useful and Vanyel is also itching to know what kind of 'machine' can do this. "Oh, and I forgot, but you said Bar is also a library? Can I ask for books based on topic or do I need to know the specific title?" 

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"It's not especially. She can do recommendations, getting books from me you need to know what you want. Or I do."

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"Well, if you don't mind using the elaborate technology and it's not a lot of hassle, um, that seems really valuable and I would appreciate it a lot. Um, I think I want to read a bit about these Maiar and about Endorë. And Valinor, is that the planet that was destroyed?"

Vanyel means to go on with further sensible, plan-related requests, but his mouth doesn't cooperate. "Also that song. Where did you learn it? It's beautiful." And so fascinatingly different. He's never actually formed the thought before that music in his world gets kind of samey, but in comparison to this...

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"Valinor's the destroyed one, yeah. Song's the not very inventively titled eighth sonata by Beethoven, I... conjured the sheet music and learned from that, didn't really pick it up in a specific place."

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"...You can do that? Never mind, of course you can. Written music? I don't know that I can read it but I'm so tempted to ask you for all of your favorite songs – I guess I don't actually have my lute here and I don't know that it can play that song anyway..." Vanyel shakes his head. "Not actually the priority. I'll go ask Bar for recommendations on background reading." 

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Lissa yawns. "Van, if you don't mind trading off with 'Fandes on the door, I'm going to go get some sleep." 

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"...do... you want a lute?" Cam asks Vanyel.

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"...I mean, if you don't mind, yes? I'm still getting used to knowing someone who can just make things like that. I don't know if 'Vanyel's lute' is specific enough that you can make mine in particular, but just any lute would be fine too." They're outside of time and maybe it's justifiable to take a few breaks once in a while and play. Vanyel is awfully tempted to ask Cam about all the other instruments from other worlds that he surely knows of, but that feels less justifiable. 

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Vanyel's lute appears to be conjurable because here it is.

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Vanyel is so delighted! "Thank you, that's wonderful." And now he's going to go over to Bar and ask for books about the Maiar and the history of Valinor and Endorë, and he'll have something to do when he next needs to take a break. 

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Except that Yfandes has other ideas. 

:Chosen, are you sure about this?: She's trying to be gentle, but underneath he can tell that she's upset. 

:About what?: 

:The part where we're asking Leareth of all people for help. We can't trust him. You know that. I have a bad feeling about this: Unease, vague discomfort. :And messing with the gods of other worlds. I know you want to help, but you heard him – if he waits here, someone's bound to turn up eventually and their world's magic might have a better solution. We don't even know that Leareth CAN help, assuming he wants to. Don't you think Valdemar should be our first priority?: 

...If Cam is paying attention, he might notice that Vanyel has been paused halfway to the bar for a while, staring vaguely in the direction of the window-explosions. 

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"...Vanyel? Are you okay?"

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“Hmm?” Vanyel blinks at Cam. “Sorry, what? Oh. I’m fine.” :’Fandes, please. Let me be. We’re on vacation, remember?: He leaves the second half unsaid - that Valdemar doesn’t, particularly, want their help right now.

And he’s going to go back to his actual plan of learning important background on Cam’s problem via asking Bar for reading material.

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What sort of books would you prefer?

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"...Historical books? Um, maybe aimed at someone who doesn't have much context, so, introductory. Other than that I don't really know what different kinds of books would be available." 

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He can get A History of the Eldar by a Rúmil, describing the awakening of a bunch of Elves near a lake as fully grown adults and their development of Endorë civilization, the terrorization under Melkor, the Valar's quelling thereof, and the transit of some Elves to Valinor.

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Vanyel finds a booth, sits down, and reads through most of it, only stopping to ask Bar for another mocha; he has a tendency to get very absorbed in books. Outside, the moon rises. Yfandes leaves him alone, until eventually she politely asks for a break, and Vanyel sits with his back against the door and keeps reading.

Vanyel surfaces when he runs out of both book, and paper to keep notes. He politely asks Cam for a folio or something to keep his notes, but maybe he'll take a break for a little while to play the lute (not one of the godawful songs written about him during the war). 

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Cam can give him a notebook.

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Vanyel can play his duplicate-lute for a while until the sun rises. "Cam? Were you going to check your mail again? Leareth might've answered by now." 

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"Sure." Check.

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Cam will find the following message. 

Letter to Cam
I would not normally be so forthright with a stranger whom I have little reason to trust. However, Herald Vanyel is well known to me, and if he is telling the truth rather than mad, then I definitely wish to know more, and I very likely will wish to aid you in your difficulties. Your specified method of communication is one that, according to my understanding of the world, most definitely should not work; if it does, my understanding of reality is fundamentally wrong, and ‘there are other worlds’ is among the simpler explanations. It is not full confirmation that Vanyel is being honest or that his understanding of the situation is correct rather than misled, so I do intend to take precautions and will not yet share everything. (Although, of course, if your abilities are what I think they are and you are not friendly to my goals, I suspect you can learn it anyway.) 

As I am sure Vanyel will have said, it is not clear from your perspective that you ought to trust me either. This is reasonable and I will have to earn that trust. To give some background from my side of things: many centuries ago, in a kingdom that does not exist anymore, I decided that a number of problems were unacceptable. (An incomplete list: extreme social inequality and an entrenched nobility, the near-complete lack of an education system, high levels of infant mortality and death from illness due to a severe lack of trained Healers or skilled un-Gifted medics, minimal state policing of roads leading to excessive robbery and crime rings.) I became an advisor to the King, and made some headway on addressing these issues, and then events intervened and I did not succeed in my goal. Fortunately, I had already laid plans for immortality, since it was immediately obvious that one lifetime would never be enough and, given the history I saw behind me, I did not trust that anybody else would continue this work. It is a frustrating task in a world of meddling gods that, at this point, clearly do not wish for any mortal to succeed in changing the status quo. I sympathize with your situation, facing gods who sound significantly worse.

Also, you are someone who has fought a god and won, albeit at an agonizing cost. Given the analogs to my situation here in Velgarth, I would also appreciate your advice. 

If your method for receiving this message works as I theorize it must, then the following list of further resources ought to be easily obtainable. Vanyel has already worked to verify many of my factual claims. 

Yours sincerely,

Leareth

...

And then Leareth gives a list of books on various subjects, which he states are mostly written by him under other names, such as his work designing education systems, a history of the Eastern Empire, and further treatises on said Empire's supply chain logistics, economic policies, and examination-based selection of government workers, as well as his theories regarding his world's laws and behavior of magic. 

He also provides a map and specifies a location where Cam can leave a return letter. Vanyel can confirm that said place is just outside the Valdemaran border, but less than fifty miles away to the northwest. 

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"He gave me a heck of a reading list."

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Vanyel can’t help but smirk slightly. “He’s got a habit of that - and it’s a lot harder for me to hunt down his rare old book recommendations. Anyway, I’ve read most of those, if you trust my summary. Not recently though.”

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"Maybe you can give me an idea of what order to read in, and I can catch up on all this with the door closed so I look very fast."

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"Hmm. In terms of guessing whether our world has magic that can help you, obviously his treatise on magical theory – which I haven't read and I'm very curious if he's told me everything in it or held some back. If you want to get a sense of how he thinks, maybe the one on education? Or skim the early Eastern Empire history. He founded it, so a lot of the early decisions were ones he made or influenced, but he moved on to other things and its current state is less relevant. The rest are more specific so I'd save them for a deeper dive if you think that's worthwhile."

Vanyel grins briefly. "And, yes, it'll impress him to no end if you seem to read all of this in an hour. Though I don't put it past him to somehow guess about the time-pausing effect soon." 

 

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"How is he expecting me to put something in this place? I can't see it. I can aim for it blind but I won't be able to hit a very precise spot."

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Vanyel shrugs. "I don't know that he expects it to be convenient for you. We kind of wrecked one of his main courier systems within Valdemar a while back, so it may just be the most feasible for him. Or could be he's guessing at what your magic does and trying to test it. Anyway, I can ride there in, um, not no time but much faster than you'd expect, Companions aren't normal horses. Oh, and actually I've been to that border town – I can just Gate." 

And then he makes a face that he quickly tries to hide. "I wouldn't say I'm fond of Gating, but it's not far." 

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"I could send a drone and use it to aim, I just wasn't expecting him to know that."

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"...I can't imagine he's guessed that specifically, no, but I imagine he's wondering if magic that can pluck a letter from one place to another given just the first line and sender – which is really all I implied about yours – can also put it in an arbitrary location, and whether it comes with Sight to aim, and I'm not worried about an ambush but I do wonder if he'll have a spell set up to see if actually I just show up on 'Fandes." And infer what he infers from that, probably holding some skepticism that they're concealing Cam's full power. 

He's starting to relax, now that it sounds like he might be able to avoid Gating. "If what you need is something to aim for, I can find it with Farsight and then scry it for you – er, I could share the Foresight directly, I'm a strong enough Mindspeaker, but that involves some unavoidable level of mindreading even if I'm very careful not to actually look at your thoughts. Um, that's assuming you do want to let Leareth make guesses about how powerful you are, beyond the access to other worlds part." 

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"I don't know if the scrying trick would work. Cameras don't - those are devices that can show a picture of a location in another location in real time."

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Vanyel nods. "How do these 'drones' work, then, and why is that different? Would it be like, I don't know, sending a trained falcon and scrying from a focus around its neck the whole route, so you've seen all of it?" 

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"So there's two ways I could do it with a drone - I could send the drone already carrying the letter, like a carrier pigeon, and have it drop it off, using a camera to steer. No making anything at a distance. Or I could have the drone fly there, steering to the right place with a camera, and then tell me exactly in what direction and precise distance it is relative to me - or, rather, my computer - and I can use that. But without a visual or proprioceptive direct lock on the place, or a really exact figure like 'fifty miles thirty-seven feet six inches, and another ten feet up in elevation' - I can't be sure I won't land the letter in a mountain, or worse in the middle of somebody waiting for it."

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...That's a gruesome mental image. It does give him another idea, though. 

"I can combine Farsight and Fetching," he says. "Since I'm doing both. Farseeing from a map starts with something like aiming blindly down a bearing, and then once I've found the place, it gives me something like what I think you mean by 'proprioceptive direct lock'. On the one hand I don't have the strongest Fetching Gift and I've never tried fifty miles, but on the other, a letter doesn't weigh much. I'll be exhausted after but if I rest with the door shut and it won't matter."

He shrugs. "Your method would work as well, either way, if you're fine with him making some wild guesses about how your magic works based on it. Probably wrong guesses, since this is a machine and not a magical artifact, but still." He really needs to ask Bar for recommendations of books about computers sometime. 

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"Making a drone has the advantage of being non-exhausting. Is it bad if he figures out how I work?"

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"...Let me think about that." Vanyel closes his eyes, bringing his hands to both temples. "It's...not bad if he decides to help you. Which I think is, ummm, at least eight in ten odds? Maybe nine in ten?" He shrugs. "It only matters in cases where he decides to cause problems for you, specifically, instead. Which would be hard to pull off. If his goals aren't what he claims, he can definitely make my life a nightmare, but all you have to do is kick me out and close the door, and he can't get at you even in principle. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure your power has him outclassed no matter how much he knows about it. I'm in the habit of not revealing anything to him without a good reason, but that's mainly because I'm in a relatively vulnerable position." 

He frowns. "In case I'm missing some obvious vulnerability that he'll see and exploit because he's smarter than I am."

:'Fandes?: He's not sure he actually wants her advice, she's been strange and prickly about all of this, but he can feel her simmering unease even through his shields and he really ought to ask. 

She doesn't answer at first. 

:Leareth as good as told us he intends to fight the gods: she sends finally, mindvoice tense. :Doesn't actually matter what for – I'm not sure we should be giving him any more weapons for that: 

It's the same stupid argument they've been having for two years, and if he spends much longer at it, Cam is going to notice him staring into space again. :'Fandes, you know how I feel about it. It's really up to Cam, if he wants to help. I just want Cam to be able to bring back his dead people – is that really too much to ask?:

:He destroyed a planet and all the living things on it: Acid in her mindvoice. :Chosen, I know how you feel – it's done, he had a good reason, worth it, and now that's the world we're in and it's better if the million dead people can get resurrected. But, just... I don't know how to feel about helping him: 

...Is that what she's been upset about this entire time? It's not the ideal response, but Vanyel doesn't know what to say or do about it, so he blocks her, and returns his eyes to Cam, trying to look attentive. "Um, any thoughts?" 

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"In my original world billions of people have known about daeva for more than a hundred years and have given some thought to what to do about how powerful we are. There are ways to inconvenience us but that boils down to not letting him see a summoning circle, and even if he did, there'd be more steps to inconvenience me personally about it."

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"Huh. Then I guess you don't need to worry and the drone plan seems best. Honestly, I'm used to being the single most powerful person on this planet aside from him and still needing to worry, but you're in another league." 

(Vanyel wonders whether a Valdemaran god could inconvenience Cam, remembers what happened to the last god that was doing something he disliked, and quickly tightens his shields just in case Yfandes is listening, hoping that Cam doesn't notice his sudden wince.) 

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If he sees it he does't comment on it.

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"Well, do you want to read everything with the door closed first before sending a message? I was meaning to ask if there's anything I should read for more detail on the war and stuff. Since, um, I assume you'd rather not talk about it in a lot of depth, and also it'd save time if we can both be reading." 

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"Go ahead and let the door close. Has the advantage of letting more people come in, maybe ones who can help either or both of us.

"I'm not sure what if anything has written up in the last few months. Bar might know. But it wouldn't surprise me if there were nothing, Elves are very - patient, meticulous, probably take more than a year or two to write a book."

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This is the moment that Lissa chooses to come in, stretching and yawning. 

"Morning, everyone." She glances at the closed door, then shrugs and ignores it. "Cam, what's it like to have wings, anyway?" 

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"Well, I like it, or I'd take them off. I could give you a set but humans find flying very tiring and can't heal trivially if they change their minds."

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Lisa’s face goes through a number of fascinating expressions before she settles on a grin. “I’ll tell you if I want to risk it, then. Flying sounds amazing even if it’s tiring.”

She beams at Cam for a moment before heading for her brother. “Van, hey, come here.” Against his muttered protests, she drags him to a booth, which isn’t quite sound-isolated from where Cam is.

“You seem less miserable here,” she stage-whispers in his ear. “Anything to do with the incredible handsome winged person? I can’t seem to get his attention, maybe you’re more his type.” 

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Vanyel makes a face at her. “Liss, please, can you not?”

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Cam puts on some music rather loudly and starts plowing through his reading list.

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Vanyel is peeved with Lissa, because he in fact wasn’t miserable and now he sort of is, not to mention embarrassed because he’s pretty sure Cam overheard, and honestly she should really have learned tact by now but he’s pretty sure she never will.

”I have reading to do,” he says sharply, yanking his arm out of her grip. “Go find some other way to amuse yourself.” 

He goes over to Bar and asks for books about the recent war in the Elves’ world, and, failing that, more specific background on the various gods involved.

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Not so much with the recent war books. Bar can do newspapers? Would he like recent newspapers?

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“Um, sure, whatever you’ve got.” Pause. Blink. “...What’s a newspaper?”

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A publication issued on a frequent basis to keep recipients up to date with current events.

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"Oh! Like a proclamation but written? What a good idea." It sounds way better than yelling in Mindspeech followed by passing on news to a town crier. Although it would take an army of scribes, or almost as many clerks to keep up with one of the printing devices he's heard of from the Eastern Empire– no, of course not, makers like Cam could just make a thousand of them, and there must be plenty of other methods in other worlds.

He has lots of time to read. "I'd like all of the ones since the war ended, please – um, and also any from during the war, if they were still publishing it then." 

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That quantity of newspapers will not fit on me. Would you like my recommendation of the highlights of a single city's paper?

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"Oh. Um, sure." On reflection it also makes sense that a world not reliant on an army of scribes could produce more written content than he's used to ever seeing in one place outside of the Palace library.

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Here is a pile of newspapers from Brithombar in chronological order.

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Vanyel carts the newspapers over to one of the booths, and goes back to ask Bar for a drink that isn't coffee – it's tempting, but he isn't sure how long he's been awake now given the confusingness of time here, and presumably he wants to sleep at some point. 

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Bar provides him with a mango smoothie.

The newspapers describe the return of Melkor; the sudden anger of the orc nations at atrocities that never happened; the capture of anyone caught alive on the battlefield; the mustering of troops, the development of warplanes and tanks and weaponry. Rationing, air raid protocols, maps of more and more lost territory, reminders not to hold onto dead loved ones' chips because these too can be captured. President Círdan is reelected with 98% of the vote.

Noldor from Valinor arrive to help with high technology and mysteriously rapid production capacity - they have visited Brithombar, a winged stranger has been seen walking the streets handing out chocolate. Certain rations are increased due to foreign aid. There's a Noldo singer in town, he's very good.

Cities continue to fall, and the ways they die change faster and faster.

 

The war is over. The Maiar are inconsolable. The winged stranger, Cam, is responsible, in a deal with the Enemy - Valinor is gone, the Valar are gone, the Doriath forcefield is down -

- the orcs are suing for peace, they propose prewar borders, it is safe to go abroad again.

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And on Cam's reading list: 

The Eastern Empire was founded more than sixteen hundred years earlier by the calendar of Vanyel’s world, in the chaos following the “Cataclysm” (which the book takes for granted and does not describe), by a band of soldiers and mercenaries stranded after a frantic evacuation.

One of the founders, though not the first Emperor, was a man called Arved. He was a mage, and a military commander who led much of the initial unification, and he was a scholar. His writings, while never included in the Imperial Law charter, doubtlessly influenced the early direction, and some of the surviving passages are included in the historian’s account.

Arved writes about the importance of re-discovering magical knowledge, training mages, and using that to address the problems of his time. There are an awful lot of problems. Constant famines due to the chaotic post-Storms weather and warped plant life. Long-distance trade is impossible, not just thanks to the frequent attacks by Changecreatures, or because the roads are crawling with bandit groups, but because no one knows who to trade with – mostly there’s no unit of leadership larger than a single family’s landholding. No Healers – well, presumably there are still children born with the Gift, but no one to recognize or train it. Up and down the coast, people are starving, sick, and dying, and they lack the resources or coordination to do anything about it.

But magic is working again now. Weather magic is a known technique; they’re just not organized enough to put trained mages where they’re needed. Transport of food and other goods was a solved problem before the Mage Wars, with the use of permanent Gates – they don’t have any permanent Gates, but they have mages who fought in Urtho’s army; they can piece together the technique, if they hurry. Mages can lay protective wards on roads, alarms for caravans to trip if under attack. They can communicate long-distance via a certain spell, and hold together an organized state. (But not a kingdom. Arved, at this point, is adamantly against hereditary monarchies, and aristocracies more generally.)

Some of Arved’s writing touches on the longer term. Once they have some kind of basic stable government over a region, they can build schools and academies. Some mages can focus all of their time on researching new techniques, to solve the next round of pressing problems. But not just mages, and not just the nobility – everyone can be educated. They can build on that; more trade and enterprise, skilled crafts guilds. They’ll want to grow, but in an ideal world they won’t have to conquer, because their neighbours will want to join.

Someday, generations in the future, survival will be secure, and they can have more than that. Arts, music, theatre, games: a world where people can flourish, not just avoid starving. It’s going to take centuries, but someday they can run an empire that’s better to live in than any from before the Cataclysm.

(According to a brief note in Leareth’s message, Arved was one of Leareth’s past lives.)

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"Vanyel? This book isn't explaining what exactly the Cataclysm was, or the Mage Wars, can I have a one paragraph version?"

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Vanyel is delighted to have an excuse to put down the extremely depressing newspaper reading. 

"I, um, we don't actually know a lot about it, cataclysms that nearly destroy the world have a tendency to destroy records as well. There was a war, presumably between very powerful mages, some horrific magical weapons were involved, it really, really messed things up. It was...we think about eighteen hundred years ago, and there are regions to the west of here, the Pelagirs, that are still uninhabitable. Lots of weirdly Changed plants and animals that try to eat you, enough ambient magic to change you if you wander around unshielded. The Tayledras – uh, friends of mine, live in clans in the northwest wilderness – have a pact with their Goddess to clean up the land, they've been working on it for millennia, all of Valdemar used to be Pelagirs. Whatever happened, it was bad." 

He frowns. "Sorry, I mostly know about the aftereffects, not the war itself. Leareth must know more, I'm pretty sure he's been around since beforehand. And the Empire might have more in their lore. Bet the Shin'a'in do as well – they're a sister tribe to the Tayledras, they...have a pact to guard the Plains, south of here, I don't know why but they don't let anyone in. I guess you can't find a book unless you know the title and author, though, you can't just vacuum up everything the Shin'a'in have written down?" 

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"Depends on whether 'Shin'a'in' is a conjurable parameter. If it's all in a particular language it would be. What do you mean about the pacts?"

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"Um, so, there's a goddess called the Star-Eyed – gods here tend to have territories and particular groups of people they, er, have influence over, and I guess She was the goddess of the Kaled'a'in people, who were around before the Mage Wars and are the predecessors of the Shin'a'in and Tayledras but that's all I know." He pauses. "Oh, by the way, Leareth's name is a Kaled'a'in word. It means 'darkness' in modern Tayledras, but in ancient Kaled'a'in it meant the night sky." 

And where was he going... "Right, so I don't know the details, but their tribes got flattened by the Cataclysm, and they prayed to Her, and She made some sort of magically binding contract with them and their descendants forever, in exchange for giving them some useful magic and maybe doing other stuff that helped them survive at the time. The Tayledras are magically bound to the land that She wants them to cleanse. I don't know how it works and I don't actually know what happens if they try to break it. They never seem to want to." 

Vanyel rubs his eyes. It must be getting late according to whatever time his body thinks it is. "Um, and Shin'a'in is a language as well as the name of their people, so if you can grab everything in their language, that would get it." He frowns. "...Ancient Kaled'a'in is also a language, so if any records did survive and we just don't know where they are because they're buried under collapsed cities or something, I assume you could get them anyway?" 

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"I can, yeah, we're archaeologically useful. I can also get the ones that were in fact destroyed."

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"That's pretty absurdly useful, yeah." Cam could take over Vanyel's entire world in about a week if he decided to try. Vanyel decides not to say that part out loud. He stifles a yawn. "Anyway, do you have more questions about the book? I can answer them, but I think I'll go get some sleep after."

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"Go ahead and get sleep, I'm taking notes as I go and can write down any questions for later."

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Lissa, who's been doing stretches and exercises in the corner, watches her brother go upstairs, and then wanders over. "I'm ridiculously bored. Anything I can help with? I can ask Bar for entertainment if it'd be more annoying than it's worth giving me something to do, but I'd rather be useful." 

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"...uh, sure. I'm gonna give you a guide to creating realistic imaginary cultures and you can fill it out for where you live to give me an at a glance summary of stuff it'd be easy to forget to mention." He hands her a packet and a pen.

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"Sure!" This is a lot less boring than she was expecting. (Lissa is not, generally speaking, a reader of dense books.) 

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And in Cam's reading:

The early years of the Empire don’t exactly go smoothly. (Relatedly, the records are sketchy, and the historian’s account is guessing at the gaps).

About two decades into the project, they’ve built a capital city, and wrestled back control of several hundred miles to the south and west. Trade exists. Mages are being trained. There aren’t nearly enough of them, so there are financial incentives for the existing mages to pair up and have children.

This is the point at which the Emperor and most of his advisors, Arved among them, perish in a (somewhat surprisingly) successful assassination attempt by a priest-mage of an obscure religious sect.

There follows a messy succession crisis. After ten years of various coups and counter-coups, during which much of the progress made falls apart, the second Emperor takes the Iron Throne. He sets out the official Imperial Law code, which is heavily based around the theory that financial deterrence is more effective than physical punishment. For example, the punishment for rape, first offence:


The victim would be granted immediate status as a divorced spouse. Half of the perpetrator's possessions went to the victim, half of the perpetrator's wages went to the victim for a term of five years if there was no child, or sixteen if a child resulted. If the child was a daughter, she received a full daughter's dowry out of whatever the perpetrator had managed to accumulate, and if the child was a son, the perpetrator paid for his full outfitting when he was conscripted.

The second Emperor faces a number of problems, somewhat different from those of his predecessor. One of them is that, during the disastrous intervening years, many mages got into the habit of using blood-magic. It’s understandable – magic is working normally again, but the ambient sources of it, ley-lines and nodes, are still replenishing. Given the state of the land, it’s impossible to feed the population without Gating supplies around, and a mage needs power to Gate. Not to mention all the very important and half-complete infrastructure projects that could be done if the mage-energy was available…

However, blood-power has various negative effects: on the land, on its user, and, of course, on the unfortunate peasant or convict murdered for it. It would be preferable, if they need to resort to it at all, to at least do so efficiently. The second Emperor responds by formally legalizing blood-magic, and then tightly regulating it: only Adepts with specific training are permitted, in approved circumstances, they check the land for traces of it and anyone caught using it unapproved will be executed.

The second Emperor rules with a much tighter fist than the first, and manages to stay in power for almost forty years. Twenty years in, after several incidents, he legalizes the use of compulsion-spells for all government workers, along with the sworn oath of office, to prevent assassination plots from within. Thirty years, half a dozen more increasingly ludicrous attempts on his life, and he cracks down on religious groups and introduces a state religion of ancestor worship. He also studies life extension magics. Before having the chance to personally use them, he dies in a mildly implausible spell-research accident; assassination is suspected but never confirmed. The Empire passes peacefully to his next-in-line.

The third Emperor, trained in the same spells, lives to age 140, ruling for 90 of those, alongside several different surprisingly talented scholar-advisors (the first dies when an extremely well-engineered bridge collapses on him; the second is inexplicably murdered by a Shin'a'in Swordsworn wandering absurdly far from home). The Empire at this point is at peace, generally well-run, and one of the most authoritarian governments in the known world. 

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"Not paranoia if they're really out to get you," Cam mutters.

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Vanyel is busy completely failing to sleep. He doesn't really have an excuse (although possibly the coffee isn't helping); he's suitably exhausted, and managed to fall asleep quickly at first, but...the usual nightmares, and now his idiotic brain deciding to chew on what the Karsite newspapers would've said during the war if Karse had newspapers. (Nasty things about him in particular, he's pretty sure.) He could talk to Yfandes but he's sort of still mad at her for questioning whether they ought to help Cam in the first place. 

"Fine," he mutters to himself eventually, "this is dumb." He reluctantly drags himself out of the very comfortable bed, and sheepishly creeps back into the main bar area. "Er, Cam? Sorry to bother you, it's just – I can't sleep, this happens sometimes, I have herbs I take for it but I don't have them here and I don't really want to open the door to get them. Would you mind making them for me, um, if that's specific enough for it to work?" 

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"Uh, it isn't - I could do 'whatever's on your nightstand' or equivalent if you want? Or you could ask Bar to prescribe something."

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Vanyel stares into space for a while, trying to remember if it's on his nightstand or in his packs or, worst of all, somewhere random on the floor. (He is not a fan of travel.) 

"Um, maybe grab my travel bag if that works?" He's going to want other things in it anyway, and if they're not there he can ask Bar. Possibly he should ask Bar anyway, if she can produce stuff from other worlds then she might have something that works better. 

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Bag!

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"Thank you!" Vanyel digs around, and the herbs are there, but he'll ask Bar anyway because why not, now he has all the unspent Herald-stipend bags that he shoved into his luggage. 

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Bar recommends this hot vanilla flavored beverage for his purposes!

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Vanyel drinks it, and considers the merits of going upstairs again versus curling up on one of the couches by the fire. Upside: proximity to people, his sister in particular, and Yfandes even though he's sort of ignoring her. Downside: it's not out of the question that he could end up projecting a nightmare at everyone. 

People wins out, and he checks his shields very carefully and then smushes himself up on the couch. 

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The packet asks Lissa a lot of questions that either don’t make sense at all, or where she doesn’t know what all of the words mean, but she can give it a go.

She isn’t sure how ethnic diversity compares to the ‘real world’, but Karsites are clearly a different stock from most Valdemarans. She’s never actually met one of the Tayledras but presumably they’re different again, and there are all sorts of other countries to the south.

She doesn’t know how long people have been in the world, or how they came to be there, but she doesn’t think they came from a different world.

There are about half a million people in Valdemar. She guesses the total population on the continent is around ten million, maybe as much as twenty, but there isn’t an official number. Haven, the capital of Valdemar, has somewhere in the vicinity of fifty thousand inhabitants if you could the settlements outside the current walls; it’s a very big city. Forst Reach Village has a thousand and is considered quite a substantial town.

There are nonhuman intelligent species! Lissa isn’t sure she knows all of them but she provides an incomplete list. Hertasi are lizards, she’s never met one but apparently they’re really, really absurdly helpful, Van said a mage from before the Cataclysm designed them to be that way. There are Companions, obviously. There are the Tayledras bondbirds Van talks about, Lissa knows that they’re cleverer than normal birds and can talk (in Mindspeech) but aren’t as clever as people. There are Suncats, which are like Companions except in Karse, as emissaries of their god Vkandis Sunlord. Legends talk about gryphons but she isn’t sure if they’re real.

...Aaaaand now she's bored and she's going to go get another drink, surely she's been awake for enough candlemarks to make that reasonable. 

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Bar will give her what she seeks.

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And in Cam's book: 

The next two hundred years of the Empire's history pass in fits and starts. The third Emperor rules for seventy years – life extension magic is useful for that – and expands the Empire's territory significantly. At this point they aren't exactly conquering; they're still ahead of the curve in terms of rebuilding civilization, and are absorbing land that no one in particular is ruling. Magic continues to stabilize in the aftermath of the Cataclysm. Techniques are invented to clear out some of the magical fallout – they aren't as effective as the rumoured work of the new Tayledras people further west, but they'll do. Permanent Gates are built. Crop yields improve. Trade blossoms. There isn't much of an Empire-wide education system yet, but the capital, Jacona, now has an academy and hosts dozens of crafts guilds. 

The fourth Emperor – who also wrote several treatises, the style of which mildly resemble Arved's – runs a brief experiment in democracy. It fails spectacularly, mainly because the top three candidates die in various unlikely ways before the final vote is counted. The fourth-up runner is technically the People's Emperor for about four years before a rebellion orchestrated by an underground religious sect breaks out. The main permanent Gate terminus in the capital is destroyed. Riots erupt. Tens of thousands of people starve before the transport of goods into the city can be restored. 

The old Imperial charter is restored, and the fifth Emperor rules for a hundred and twenty years. (A particularly clever scholar joins his team of advisors early in his reign, leads research efforts into perfecting the life extension magics). Long life is good for stability. Perhaps less good for the freedom of the people, but at least food is reaching the places where people are. Jacona's population hits a hundred thousand. Schools are built in outlying towns and rural areas.

The Empire's next round of expansion involves taking over some existing kingdoms. They're rather badly run, though, and probably their people are better off as citizens of the Empire. 

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The rest of the Empire's history becomes gradually less interesting. If there are unusually creative and clever scholars or advisors sprinkled among the rest, they don't stand out much, but magical research continues to advance. Concert-work temporary Gates are perfected, and soon become commonplace. Weather magic is incredibly sophisticated, now, and crop failures are almost unheard of. While the Empire is very far from egalitarian, it's still more true there than anywhere else that an intelligent and hardworking commoner can obtain an education and rise to a position of great importance. The criminal justice system is a well-oiled machine – oh, certainly some highly-placed people are able to skirt by without punishment, but for a commoner, the streets of a city in the Eastern Empire are among the safest place to be in the known world. Every once in a while, bribery, internal conspiracies, or illegal use of compulsions or blood-magic are uncovered within the bureaucracy, and suitably punished and rooted out. 

The Emperors regularly live to two hundred and rule for a hundred and fifty of those years. Succession isn't free of drama, but usually this comes in the form of fierce behind-the-scenes political wrangling in the decade before an Emperor's expected death, and the actual ascent of a new Emperor is bloodless. Assassinations are next to unheard of; it's difficult to kill a leader when the best mages in the Empire are vying to serve in their Court and, of course, take the expected oaths and loyalty-compulsions. 

The internal investigations become rarer. Eight hundred years in, they still happen occasionally, but tend to have obvious political motivations. It's unspoken but taken for granted that there will be internal conspiracies, and highly-placed officials will obviously bind their own subordinates with illegal compulsions and even try to sneak their agents into the Emperor's Court. Use of blood-magic (usually used with convicts, but those are more and more likely to be political prisoners, or prisoners-of-war from new conquests) skirts by the letter of the law, but no longer especially obeys it in spirit. 

The author of the text doesn't say it in so many words, but Cam might notice that the Empire begins to resemble a carefully-built machine now running on its own, without the supervision of its creator. 

It's a remarkably stable machine. The Empire is still extant, with the same Imperial Law (at least in theory), at least sixteen hundred years after its inception. 

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Cam idly makes a teeny desk-size model of the capital city as of the last time covered by his reading.

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The next book, "A Lesson on Lessons", is much more recent than the Empire's founding, only nine centuries old. (The history tome did briefly mention some reforms to the academies and examination system in the ensuring century, but the title and author's name were too obscure to warrant a mention.) It lays out theories of pedagogy, the importance of training the teachers, the relevance of tests that can be run identically across the entire Empire, and thus give results that can be compared, when it comes to selecting which candidates from outlying provinces will be accepted to the central academy in Jacona. It discusses tests that measure specific learning, versus raw potential, and under what conditions to use which one. 

It's...not quite the same style as Arved's writings. It's not a grand vision, or even especially a policy proposal; at most, after all the discussion it offers some modest recommendations. Still, some resemblance shines through. 

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At this juncture Cam tires of using stylistic resemblance and conjures the title pages (alone) of the complete works of Leareth to see what names are written on them and who they correspond to in the histories.

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It's quite an extensive list! 

There are about two hundred title pages that look like published treatises, on various topics – economics, math, architecture, city planning, it goes on and on. 

There are also, interestingly, a set of numbered 'Personal Records' titles, each with a name and a date range. The numbers run from three to forty-two (fourteen and twenty-nine are also missing). The date ranges are everything from eight months to ninety-five years, with a trend toward earlier numbers covering shorter periods. The names very nicely match up with the ones on the various published treatises. 

Arved, the second Emperor, the third Emperor's two ill-fated advisors, the fourth Emperor, and various authors of works mentioned in the Empire's later history all correspond to names on the list. 

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Cam makes a list of all the names and refers to it throughout his reading.

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And there's a book on theories of magic! This one is much more recent, only three centuries or so, and it doesn't look as polished – more like someone's personal notes, bound for convenience and maybe shared with a few friends but not widely. The name matches Leareth's record-keeping name from the appropriate dates. 

Vanyel and Leareth's world is known to have multiple planes, described as similar to parallel dimensions that have some permeability and interaction with each other. Mage-energy is a sort of universal fuel, able to affect the matter of any plane in a very large number of ways – and to build passages between them. Invisible to un-Gifted humans, it nonetheless behaves somewhat like water, gathering into river-like ley-lines and eventually into dense, turbulent 'nodes' of power. What makes a person Gifted is that they possess 'channels' in their mind, which can take in mage-energy and direct it to some useful purpose. 

Different planes have widely varying levels of ambient mage-energy. Human mages and those of other intelligent races can, via using mage-energy form purely mental projections to other planes. 

The plane where humans live is generally called the mundane or material world. The spirit world, also referred to as the Moonpaths and/or Ethereal Plane, is believed to be where dead spirits reside, although they're difficult both to find and to communicate with even for Gifted people capable of visiting. There are additionally four Elemental Planes (Earth, Air, Fire, Water), named by some long-dead mage for metaphorical resemblance and not because the comparable mundane substances originate there. All are much 'hotter' than the mundane world, in terms of their density of ambient mage-energy. Beings of varying levels of intelligence and power live there, able to dimly sense the mundane world, and mages can summon them by opening a passage that allowing said being to project a magically-constructed body.

The Abyssal Plane is host to 'demons' (an image of something with a random-seeming body plan consisting mostly of legs and eyes), which can also be summoned, although they're very stupid and the only reason to do so is if the mage wants something dead in a messy and disturbing fashion. The Empyreal Plane is believed to exist, and be the primary home of the gods (which are fully multiplanar beings, able to influence all of the other planes), but outside the reach of mages.

There's also the Void, which is a sort of sink – adjacent to all of the planes, it becomes the eventual resting place for all mage-energy, which is eventually returned via some sort of weather-like cycle that isn't fully understood even by Leareth. His top theory is that living things (in all planes), known to be generators of excess mage-energy, are actually pulling from the Void. Space is known to behave differently in the Void; Gates exploit this by routing through the Void to link two places that are distant in mundane-world space. 

Leareth adds the novel hypothesis that the sentient races in the mundane world – those capable of Mind-Gifts – are also multiplanar beings, that a 'Mind plane' exists, separate from the spirit world, and that humans and other races have metaphysical appendages of some kind extending into it. He thinks that routing through this plane could explain why Mindspeech and similar Gifts are so widely found, and how a Thoughtsenser can read the thoughts of anyone, Gifted or not. 

Leareth also theorizes that the Gift of Fetching, the part of it where objects can instantly be transported long distances, works by cutting through the Void in a similar way to Gates, though through a dedicated mind-channel that doesn't leak characteristic Void-energy in the same way. 

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Cam writes the outline of a letter, though while all this is interesting it's neither something he has an angle on nor something that will let these people help him.

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The rest of the book is mostly some even less organized notes on weird phenomena related to Gates.

Gates don't have to be built on a threshold, though it takes incredible mental discipline for a mage to build one in thin air. Gates don't have to face the same orientation – a clever mage who's mastered threshold-less Gates might, for example, jump down into one built flat on the ground and come flying out somewhere else at his enemies. 

Gates don't always need a specific destination. A mage can instead anchor on an artifact if they know its magical signature, even if they don't know where the artifact is. 

Permanent Gates don't have to be anchored on a threshold either; they do need a focus and a power-seed, but the focus can be a person. The book neutrally mentions a long-ago historical case of a mage successfully attempting this; the name of said mage matches one of Leareth's past lives. The power nearly killed said mage, and left his body fragile, but until the end of his life he could instantly and effortlessly Gate back to the other home terminus, without actually needing to raise a threshold that enemies might follow him through. 

Two ends of a Gate terminus don't have to be in the same plane. A mage could raise a Gate directly to the Elemental Plane of Fire, for example. Which has been tried, because it seems there are people crazy enough to try anything. It mostly results in a very loud explosion – that Plane being much 'hotter' than the mundane world in terms of mage-energies, a rapid 'downhill' flow of power ensues, shortly ending in the death of the mage and collapse of the Gate. Leareth wonders if this is the secret behind the incredible power available to Adepts of the reclusive White Winds school. You can also Gate directly to the Abyssal Plane, if for some inexplicable reason you wanted to. 

Gates...don't always work like Gates. There's a reported incident of a mage – not a very competent one, it sounds like – attempting the spell from instructions in an old book, not knowing its purpose, and accidentally snatching up a different Adept mage who had been in the process of stepping through a Gate several hundred miles away. It's bizarre and hard to believe, but the source is reliable, so Leareth speculates on whether this is a case of Gating imitating Fetching. Both route through the Void, after all. Fetching from a distance can only grab a precisely known object from a precisely known location; in this case, the mage was able to nab a random Adept, but only because he happened to be the only Adept in the world midway through a Gate and thus closer than usual to the Void.

Leareth thinks that this was only a necessary component because the spell would otherwise be underspecified, and fail in the same way that a Gate fails if the mage's sense of his destination is hazy. The Gift of Fetching isn't very flexible, but he muses on whether it would be possible to develop an equivalent spell to Fetch a known artifact from anywhere, as in the case of Gating with said artifact as the destination, or even to Fetch a particular Adept if the mage knew them and their magic intimately enough. 

The section ends without saying whether such a spell was ever developed. 

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Cam adds a paragraph to his draft.

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Curled up on the couch, Vanyel stirs restlessly. 

The soldier’s name was Galrich. He was twenty-two years old. Once he had been a little boy, leading a tame pigeon through the streets of Sunhame, and now he was dying on the gilded floor of the temple. Blood bubbled at his lips, and then the bubbles stopped, the light fading from his eyes. Everything that was him was escaping, a tide of warm, wild, living power–

–It tasted metallic and sweet and not like a node at all–

... 

What Cam will observe is Yfandes leaping up from the corner and bolting in Vanyel's direction, half a second before a tide of projected sick-horror washes over all of them, cutting off when Yfandes' muzzle touches Vanyel's shoulder, and Vanyel yelps loudly and sits up, staring wide-eyed at the fire. 

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Lissa, who's been comfortable installed in a booth with her drink and her packet of papers, belatedly scrambles up and makes a beeline for her brother. 

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"whatthefuck!"

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"Sorry sorry sorry–" Vanyel looks mortified. "I – gods – I'm so sorry, did I – I checked my shields – sorry..." He trails off, and drops his head into his hands. Lissa is beside him now, muttering something that Cam can't hear. Vanyel seems to be ignoring her. Yfandes looks upset, which is an impressive amount of emotional range to show on a horse face. 

Finally, Vanyel frees himself from the pair of him and gets up, giving Cam a sheepish look. "I had a nightmare, um, about the war. Sometimes when I have a really bad nightmare I project it by accident, but it hadn't happened in ages so I thought it was safe. I'll, er, make sure to either sleep upstairs or with Yfandes closer by, um, in case it happens again..."

And now he's going to go get some coffee, because he probably hasn't slept enough but he's definitely done trying. It would be so incredibly convenient if he could use it to replace sleep like Cam does.

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Lissa glances around aimlessly, lands on Cam, and smiles brightly at him. "Did you learn anything interesting in your reading?" 

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"Uh. Yeah, lots of stuff, some of it even maybe relevant."

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Vanyel stands with his mocha and glares at the fire for a while. He's having trouble even remembering what he was supposed to be doing before the very failed attempt at sleeping... 

:Newspapers: Yfandes helpfully reminds him. 

Right. Which is why he went to sleep thinking about the war, and proceeded to completely humiliate himself in front of Cam. 

Finally, he gathers up the courage to wander over– "Oh! Is that – I haven't read that book! The one on magic theory. It's probably from one of his private collections. Anything interesting?" He would be hurt that Leareth shared a book with Cam and not him, but that would be kind of dumb at this point. "Um, also, what do you think overall? Of Leareth, I mean." 

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"It's interesting, yeah. Uh, he's. Very persistent."

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Vanyel barks out a short involuntary laugh. "That's for sure. I guess not much else for him to – oh!" He spots the pile of title pages. "What's this? You've got – oh, you have a list! That's incredible, I should go through and check how many of my guesses were right." He blinks, shakes himself. "Er, is that all of the reading list then? Have you decided if you think it's worth sending a message?" 

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"Definitely going to send something. Weird application of Gates might conceivably work."

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Vanyel stares blankly at him for a moment, trying to silence the sudden litany in his mind of why does it have to be Gates, why can't it be literally anything else. 

"Oh," he says finally. He licks his lips. "Er, good? That's promising, right?" It's unclear. Cam doesn't look all that happy. 

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"Is something wrong with Gates? This guy is apparently intermittently into magic powered by human sacrifice, so maybe he wouldn't have mentioned if something is wrong with them?"

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Vanyel winces – now he's thinking about things that he really doesn't want to be and, uh, definitely meant to tell Cam about sooner but it somehow ended up not happening and now it's awkward. 

"...Oh, right, Gates. No, there's nothing wrong with them, er, at least not the same kind of thing as with blood-magic. They don't involve killing people or cause environmental damage or anything. They're one of the most costly spells in terms of energy input, so they're tiring, that's a practical issue. And, um, I do have a problem with Gates specifically, but that's just a me thing, it's a bit mysterious but it's probably because of how my Gifts were awakened." He sighs. "If it were anything else I'd be a lot more confident I could go from his description and invent the spell for you – I mean, hells, he's the one who taught me most of what I know about spell research. But not Gates, I'm afraid." 

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"There are a million dead Maiar, so anything that goes through a single volunteer probably doesn't work if it's not as scalable as what I'm doing with Elves anyway. I guess unless we get one and they can get all the rest but if they can do that they might get the Valar and if they do that then all the humans and Dwarves on Endorë can't summon and die without afterlives."

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Vanyel thinks for a minute. 

"I don't know how your method scales," he says slowly. "I suspect inventing a technique is something only Leareth could do, but it's a lot easier to train mages to cast a known spell – once it's defined enough, you can even build the hard parts into an artifact, skip most of the training. I'm sure Leareth would have people loyal to him he could bring in, if you were willing to trust them. Also, as long as time is paused in our world, and he had a power source," unfortunately the easiest one would be blood-magic and that's obviously not feasible and he's not sure if another world would even have nodes, "it's possible Leareth wouldn't mind getting the casting down to a minute or whatever and the spending the next decade casting it all day every day until he personally hit the full million. Like you said, he's persistent. So far he's spent fourteen years on the project of trying to convince me to work with him, and I don't think he even puts high odds on that succeeding. I don't either – er, or hadn't until now, the fact that he gave you so much information brings me a bit closer to trusting him."

Vanyel clears his throat. "Trusting that his goals are what he says, I mean – I still expect him to do horrible things to accomplish them, it would be understandable if you're not okay with that." And swing back to the second half. "The Valar... I think I don't completely understand what they are. Why would they prevent people from summoning? Er, sorry if you explained and I missed it. Also, um, I think I saw some references in the newspaper but I didn't follow up – what are Dwarves?" 

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"Uh. The Valar were very conservative, didn't like summoning just because it was different and figuring out how to make it work with how they wanted things would have been hard? Dwarves are a species, yea high, beards, very capitalist, and they don't have machines in their heads like Elves do, so I can't bring them back. Elves I can do dozens every minute once I have the setup for it. I need personnel to shepherd them all away from my location because otherwise it gets crowded, and the personnel explain things to them, but the resurrections are just a few more months if I don't take breaks."

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Lissa grins. "They sound like fun! I'd love to meet them. Ooh, speaking of fun – reckon you'd be up for having some for once? This is exciting, right? I mean, even if it's not definitely going to work, you've got a better chance of bringing your dead people back than earlier, so I think that buys you at least two hours of not being glum about it. Do you like getting drunk? Um, I mean, if you can, if your species can't then we could do something else." Her eyes light up. "Do you dance? That would be a good party. What do you think?" 

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"...uh, I'm not wholly opposed in principle but you have managed to guess two things that would not be fun at all. I can get drunk but don't care for it and I'm too clumsy to dance without falling over."

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Lissa goes quiet and thoughtful. (It's an odd look on her.) "Um... Music? You play really well." She shoots a sideways glance at Vanyel, who rolls his eyes. "I bet my brother would enjoy hearing some songs you've picked up from other worlds, and maybe he can play you some of ours." A sly grin. "There's some pretty good ones written about him, from the war. He hates them, though. You ever get songs written about you?" 

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"Not under my own identity. Unless they've already published some about the black hole while I wasn't paying attention. Uh. There are songs about a thing I did anonymously."

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"I'm guessing you don't want to listen to black hole songs for fun," Lissa says, "so let's not look. Anonymous adventures are neat! Are you allowed to play it for us? I promise I won't reveal your secret." She glances around. "Get your lute over here, Van. Want me to grab you a drink?"  

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Vanyel makes a face at her. "No, actually, since I just woke up. If you want to buy me more of that coffee with Cam's counterfeit, go ahead, I won't complain."

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"Is your water supply not safe at home?" wonders Cam vaguely. "There's no question of not being allowed, I didn't promise anyone anonymity."

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“What?” Lissa says absently over her shoulder. “Oh - I mean, the water’s fine here except sometimes in bad storm seasons, and the Palace is safe too. Smaller towns can get iffy, and I guess during the war there wasn’t any safe water for years. Van has a spell to sanitize it but don’t.”

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“Huh,” Vanyel says. “You should’ve said - I could make a portable artifact. Like the big fixed one in the Palace. No one ever asked me to for some reason.”

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"Explains rampant alcohol. Water purification's doable with tech, probably scales better if you have the logistics to get the things everywhere they'd go anyway."

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Vanyel rolls his eyes. "I think Lissa just likes being drunk, actually." 

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Lissa sticks out her tongue at him and then turns back to Cam. "Huh! That's neat. We can pretty reliably get things places but not always fast." 

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"Tech also improves on the fast but with more infrastructure requirements."

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"Amazing! ...Vanyel, no, how about you don't go ask Bar for books on it right this second, you're the worst, this is having-fun time. If you don't go get your lute right now I'm going to start singing 'Demonsbane'." 

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Vanyel gives her a withering look, but he does go get his lute from the booth where he left it.

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Lissa will swing by Bar to get him a mocha and herself something alcoholic and surprising. 

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Bar complies.

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Cam picks up his violin, why not.

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Lissa will sit and listen. She thinks Cam plays beautifully, though it's not like she's as good a judge as her brother. 

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They do not get to find out what Cam did anonymously because he doesn't sing, just plays a cheery little song, looking at sheet music on his computer.

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Vanyel wanders up in time to catch a glimpse of the sheet music. “Oh! What’s that?”

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"Sheet music. I didn't memorize any of the songs on this subject."

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"Oh!" Vanyel leans closer to look, fascinated. "Is it hard to learn to read it? Do you need to have heard the song before or is this enough by itself? We've got some music notation conventions but it's generally not enough by itself, it's more of a memory aid." 

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"This is enough by itself assuming you're prepared to do your own artistic license and, like, know how to play the instrument and stuff. It takes a while, most people from my world learn it at the same time as they learn to play though."

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"That's pretty incredible." Vanyel has a new item on his list of 'things to learn which he can justify while outside of time'. "Er, I guess it's my turn. I'll, um..." He has the first few stanzas of 'Demonsbane' stuck in his head now, thanks to his damned sister. He casts around for literally any other song. "Um, this is my mother's favourite song, it's kind of stupid but the instrumentals are interesting. It's called My Lady's Eyes." 

He perches on the booth table and starts playing. 

My Lady's eyes are like the skies / A soft and sunlit blue
No other fair could half compare / In sweet midsummer hue 

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Cam records it into a melodic dictation program and then produces a hard copy for Vanyel when he's done.

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Vanyel is suitably pleased and impressed. He's curious if he can figure out how the notation works backward, from the fact that he knows the song, though he's planning to go ask Bar for an instruction book or something later. 

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"Cam, your turn!" Lissa says brightly. "Play us the anonymous heroics song?" 

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"That was the one I played before! There are others but they're not as good, or not suitable for violin."

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"Oh." Lissa makes a face. "But what was the heroic thing you did?" 

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"Oh, uh, it's possible to summon creatures like me and I publicized that information, it had been secret before."

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"...And you got everyone the magical creature afterlife if they wanted it? That's neat!" Lissa bounces a little. "Well, it is still your turn, maybe you can play us a song from the other world, the one with the gods and the war?" 

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"I didn't learn their music and their sheet music is different. Also it wasn't about the afterlife, I didn't know that at the time, it was about - shipping and goods and healing and stuff."

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"Ooh, right, it was just that people could summon magical creatures like you to help them with things?" Lissa frowns. "Does your kind of magical creature have healing power or is that something else? I feel like I missed some explanations." 

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"I have medical training but mostly people get angels to do that for things other than limb replacements or organ transplants."

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Vanyel twists around. "You can replace limbs? Um, I mean, not you, but 'angels' – is that what you were calling 'changers' before? That's amazing." 

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"Limbs are easier for us than for angels - those are the changers, yeah, sorry. They're better at, like, infections, sealing up incisions, knitting broken bones - I can apply antibiotics for the infections and I have cheats for incisions and bones but they're better at it assuming equivalent training."

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"...I have a friend who would really like to talk to you about healing," Vanyel says. "Though it'd be impractical because she's all the way in our capital. Er, did you want to play us another song or should I do one? I don't care what it's about or anything, music from other worlds is just neat. Oh, and..." he hesitates, "...I'd really enjoy trying the violin at some point. If that's all right with you. It sounds beautiful and it's so different." A brief, tight smile. "I also know someone – a couple of someone's – who'd be delighted with all your music, but unfortunately they're in Haven too." 

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Cam offers him the violin.

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Vanyel takes it. He’s been carefully observing how Cam holds the instrument and the bow as well as his fingerings, almost without realizing it, and he gets it settled under his chin and tries to play a note.

The first one comes out as a screech and he grimaces, but the second is clearer. “Um, any pointers?”

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Sure, Cam can give him a violin lesson.

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Vanyel is delighted to have a violin lesson! He’s pretty quick at picking up new instruments - it has strings, it’s not that different from what he’s used to.

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Then soon the violin will not sound like a dying cat.

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"Are you having fun yet?" Lissa says brightly, when Vanyel is busy playing some unknown Valdemaran song and managing to mostly not sound like a dying cat. 

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"...I guess? Sure. Music doesn't actually usually cure depression but it's still fun."

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Lissa gives the shrug of someone who has no idea what to say in response, and goes off to get herself another drink. 

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Vanyel finishes the song and offers the violin back. "Thank you, this is a lovely instrument and I might want to try her again later. I think right now I want to get more coffee and then find reading material, though." 

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"Anytime," says Cam. "Take one home with you after we're done here if you like, I'm not short on them." But he accepts it back.

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Vanyel starts to walk away, and then stops. He turns around slowly, staring at a point above Cam's left shoulder. 

"...I used human sacrifice magic," he blurts out suddenly. "During the war. It was in an emergency and it's complicated and a long story, but – I kept meaning to tell you and didn't, and I feel like it's something you deserve to know about me. Um. So now you do." 

He turns again, stiffly, and marches in Bar's direction. 

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Lissa, frozen for a moment with drink in hand, starts walking again, coming close enough to lower her voice.

"He killed six enemy soldiers who'd ambushed him and our aunt, who was unconscious with backlash and totally helpless because she held a three-hundred-mile Gate for half a candlemark. He would've had to fight them off anyway, he was just too exhausted because he'd been acting as half our firepower all damned day, and I was an idiot and didn't think to give him a guard. He made a lot of mistakes – main mistake was not telling anyone but Savil – but it just went public and he went under trial with the Heralds' Court and they exonerated him. He and Savil would've died otherwise and we would've lost Sunhame and the war would probably still be happening now. It's not – I can't say it wasn't wrong, it was, and he made mistakes to end up in that position at all, but...so did I, and everyone else involved, and gods, I can't... Just, circumstances, right?" 

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"Thank you for telling me."

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Neither of them answers him.

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Cam works on his letter.

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Vanyel asks Bar for reading recommendations to learn more about computers, and if there are any beverages with caffeine in them that don't taste like dessert. 

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Unsweetened tea? And a book called Babbage Onward.

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The tea will do just fine. Vanyel sits down, a good distance from both Cam and Lissa, and rubs his forehead for a while before trying to focus on the book. (He's an irritating combination of very tired and not at all sleepy.) 

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Eventually Cam is done with his letter, and asks quietly if one of them would rewrite it in the local language and then hold the door so he can send a drone with it to the place Leareth will be looking.

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Vanyel doesn't seem to be listening, but Lissa hops up. "Of course!" 

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Cam offers her a hard copy of the letter, and some paper and a pen.

I'm keeping this short out of consideration for my scribe. I don't know if the translation magic I'm using will work at this distance, but if it does, the device which carried this letter will also carry my voice. Failing that, it can carry a letter back if you write one and give it to the device; my preliminary thoughts on the reading you suggested...

It's pretty short, as promised. Some "this was clever", some "the reading presented didn't fully explain this decision to my mind", some "equivalent political experiments in my universe of origin were unpromising", some "this magic might have an application for my problem". He's signed it Cam.

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"Van?" Lissa calls back to her brother. "Wanna come check this?" 

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"I guess." He gets up, grumbling, and crosses to her, leaning over the table. It doesn't take him long to read it. He rubs his eyes. "Looks fine. Curious how he'll actually collect it – might not send a person." 

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"Well, then he'll have to wait longer for a high bandwidth conversation."

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Vanyel shrugs. “He’s generally not in a rush. Goes with the immortality, I guess.”

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"...Elves are immortal too but they could speed up in emergencies."

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Another shrug. "I don't know – I've never actually seen Leareth react in an emergency." He goes back to his table and sits down. 

(He's not having a good day right now; he has a headache, and Yfandes is being weird and grumbly about the message without actually saying anything specific that he can object to.) 

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"You're going to use the little flying machine to send it?" Lissa says expectantly. "Can I watch?" 

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"Sure." He tucks the letter into his drone and it takes off; he watches through its camera on his computer to send it way up in the sky and to the drop point.

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Lissa watches with fascination over his shoulder – until, quite suddenly, the image vanishes. 

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"...huh. I'm glad I didn't need that for anything else."

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About fifteen seconds later, the screen comes to life again. An image resolves: a cave, lit by a soft globe of white light, a man in brown leathers half out of view, and a weird sort of crystal hoop, which shows a shimmering image of a dark-haired man wearing black. 

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Vanyel belatedly notices that something is up, and wanders over. "What's going o–" he cuts off. "Oh. How...?"  

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"Oh, it came back online, good for it - Hi! Can you understand me? The signal cut out for a moment when you teleported the drone but it's working again!"

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The man in brown yelps and does something that makes the entire image careen sideways, but the drone doesn't go down again, and the picture stabilizes a few seconds later. 

 

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"Greetings," says the man in black. "I imagine I am speaking to Cam? This is not actually the method by which I expected a reply." 

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"There's also a letter attached, I wasn't sure if translation would work this way."

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"We noticed," Leareth says, quite calmly. "I was about to read it. In fact, I would appreciate a moment to do so, unless you would prefer to convey the same information in speech." 

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"No, go ahead."

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Leareth acknowledges him with a slight nod and then, presumably, reads the letter silently for a while as held up by the assistant.

He holds up a finger. "I would like to take a moment longer to think," he says, and then turns slightly away from their view in the crystal hoop, and is silent for even longer. 

Finally he turns back to them, his expression impassive. 

"I will confess," he says slowly, "that I did not expect such a prompt response, nor for us to have a means of instantaneous communication so quickly. I have not had the time I would usually take to consider or plan. However, knowing what I do now, there are some things that I can say already." 

Another pause. 

"You are clearly extremely powerful," Leareth says. "Not only were you able to receive a message send by a method that simply ought not work, and obtain all of the further sources I suggested, you also did so and were able to read them nigh-instantly, I am not sure how but this certainly implies you are able to out-think and out-plan me if you wish. Also you are currently communicating with me – and presumably translating, given that you come from another world and it would be very surprising if we shared a language – and with an artifact that is not even magic. You are also making no attempt to conceal the extent of your power, though you could easily have done so and I am sure Vanyel would have advised you to. From this I infer that even though Vanyel is uncertain of my trustworthiness, you do not feel I am a threat, which is honestly quite reasonable on your part." 

Pause. 

"Given all of that, and the fact that you somehow have the ability to summon arbitrary written works of mine – and thus could and perhaps already have learned of my plans anyway – I see no point in concealing information, so I will be forthright. I am..." a shorter pause, a hint of a frown, "impressed, by your accomplishment in defeating this shockingly evil god, and I am sorry about the cost. I wish to help you mitigate that and I am motivated to put significant resources toward this cause, if you are willing to accept my help. The area of magic you mention is one that I have explored relatively little, so there is hopefully some relatively easy progress to be made there now that I have reason to apply my full efforts to it. If you are, in fact, interested in this, I would plan on transporting myself to the location where you left your message, and at that point you can decide whether to meet there or give directions elsewhere.

"I will also admit that I have reasons other than pure altruism to wish to work with you," Leareth adds. "I am sure you have noticed, in the readings I gave you, that the gods of my world, while they are not nearly as evil as the god you fought, are...very inconvenient. They wish things to remain a certain way in the world – I assume, I do not know their minds and can only infer their goals – and thus, while they are not sufficiently omnipotent to thwart all of my plans, they do make it difficult to lastingly change anything for the better. Some centuries ago I finally decided that it was stupid to remain in this impasse and expect the same actions repeated to ever have a different result. I have been, for some time, carefully planning a way to take this disagreement to their stage. My current plan is not one I like, it is simply the one that I think has a chance of working. Briefly: I intend to create a god, who can then fight or negotiate with the existing gods directly. I am quite sure I can do this safely and create a god who is in agreement with me about how a good world ought to look.

"However, the power cost is high. I have been seeking alternatives and am not fully committed to this exact plan, but the current default would involve a...very large blood-sacrifice. I am aware this is horrific; all I can say is that the ongoing pointless, fixable suffering and waste I have seen over millennia, and can imagine stretching millennia into the future, is also horrific. It is likely though not certain that I can mitigate the cost after the fact, once I have the aid of a god who can access our afterlife-plane and resurrect people on request.

"However, learning of your existence is a very significant update, and perhaps it offers me alternatives – either in terms of power source or a deeper change to the plan. You have fought gods before. I wish to ask your advice. My offer to help is not conditional on your helping me in turn; I do, in fact, simply want your dead to be restored to life, independent of anything else." 

Another longish silence. 

"...Having said all of that: do you want my help? If so I will prepare to travel and can be at the location within a day." 

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"Do you have specs for your god written up?"

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"Of course. Several possible versions. It is all within my private notes – I am not sure what details you need from me in order for your power to summon said notes?" 

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"A time range, if you don't mind my getting everything in range, or titles, or where they're physically located."

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"One moment." 

Leareth disappears for a bit, and comes back with a list of physical locations, which he points out on a map, and some section titles. "I think this ought to specify it sufficiently. Would you prefer that I wait while you read them? I cannot keep this portal active indefinitely, but I can reactivate it at a time of your choice. Or I can proceed to the location in person." 

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"Give me just a moment, I'm going to do the instant reading again." He nods at Vanyel by the door.

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"Um, Van?" Lissa jogs past him and shuts the door. 

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Cam stopped transmitting sound when he was done talking. "Everything okay?"

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"I...just a minute..." Vanyel turns and locks eyes with Yfandes. Who's currently glaring at him. Insofar as a horse can glare. It's...very glareful. 

Vanyel mostly seemed baffled. Baffled and confused and hurt.

After thirty seconds or so, he sits down with his back against the wall. "What?" he says out loud. "'Fandes, what do you want me to say? It is monstrous and it's probably not worth it and if he won't back down we'll have to fight him – but we have to at least, I don't know, look at his plans and weigh up the numbers. Not jump to a conclusion now without even thinking about it for ten minutes. This is really big. No I'm not telling Randi right this second. For one I can't do that without opening the door and Cam needs it shut." 

He puts his head down on his knees. "I don't know what you want from me." 

This is the point at which Yfandes' mindvoice starts Broadsending to everyone in the room, whether accidentally or on purpose is hard to tell. 

:Van. There are lines you just. Don't. Cross: 

He lifts his head, dully. "Fandes, we’ve had that conversation. Multiple times." 

:And I clearly handled it wrong. What’s happened to you, Vanyel?: 

Silence. 

:I feel like I don’t know you. You aren’t the person I Chose: 

"'Fandes..." 

:Don’t try to apologize. Just don’t. I can’t – are you still my Chosen, Vanyel? Is this you? I don’t know what you are anymore: 

"’Fandes, I–"

:Stop. I can’t. I can’t do this right now. I, you, just – I can’t:

“What–” 

... 

Yfandes turns to Cam. :I need to go. I need to be literally anywhere that isn't here. Don't let him come after me. I can't talk to him right now. I don't – I just have to be somewhere else where he isn't. Please. Where can I go?: 

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...Cam goes over to the back door and holds it open for her, displaying a lakefront lawn and forest, with mountains in the distance.

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"...Van?" Lissa goes to her brother, who's still curled up against the wall, and shakes his shoulder a little. "Van. Hey. What just happened?" 

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"...whenever you're, uh, ready, I'd like to know what exactly she's freaking out about? She tolerated you hanging out with me and there is no way Leareth has more of a body count."

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Vanyel lifts his head and stares sort of vaguely at nothing.

"I...don't understand? It doesn't make sense. She wasn't happy about helping you, she's been weird about it this whole time, but – this came out nowhere." 

He takes a deep breath and presses both hands to his temples and makes an obvious effort to focus. "...I think it's the part about a god. About messing with the gods. She...wasn't reacting as strongly about the blood-magic part even though that's the really bad part? I don't get it. Nothing makes sense." He's being pretty repetitive. "She blocked me. She looked at me like I'm some kind of monster. I'm...what if she actually wants to repudiate me...and I don't even understand why. I don't know which of the lines I've crossed – or Leareth's crossed – is the one she's mad about." 

He stares at nothing for a while longer and then abruptly uncurls and gets up. "Sorry. Can't think. Can I just go. Be alone." He heads off in the direction of the hotel rooms, not quite walking in a straight line. 

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"Uh. Let me know if... you need anything."

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Lissa stares at the stairs after Vanyel's out of sight. "...I'm worried this is a really bad idea." 

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"...letting him be alone, or making a god?"

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"...Er, both actually, but I was more thinking of the first right this second, I think making a god is less urgent since we just stopped time on Leareth and we didn't just stop time on my brother." She scowls. "He's going to completely bite my head off if I go after him. Is there – I don't know, can we sort of keep an eye on him from a distance and make sure he's all right?" 

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"...I could put a device that would do that on him if I were looking at him but not now he's gone and it's not a friendly behavior."

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"Oh. Damn." Lissa starts biting her nails, looking incredibly indecisive. "I don't know what I should do! I'd...ask Yfandes...but given that she just screamed at him and stormed off into the wilderness, I really don't think that'll help." 

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"Maybe they'll desync and one or the other will be back any second now?"

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"...That's a thing that happens?" Lissa yanks her hand out of her mouth and shoves it into the pocket of her tunic. "He's probably fine. Right? It's only one bad thing that happened, it's not, like, fifty in a row." 

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"...you could chase him up the stairs if you're really worried."

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Lissa glares at the window display of explosions as though they're personally responsible for all of her current problems. "I – but he's going to be pissed at me – all right, fine, I'll deal." She heads for the stairs, then stops and glances back. "...How do I know what room he's gone into, if I can't find him in the hall?" 

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"He didn't tell me the number. Bar -"

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"I'm paying for his room."

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Lissa glowers at Bar. "...Fine I'll go see maybe I can still catch him." She sprints up the stairs.

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She comes back quite promptly. "Too late, I guess. Can't find him in the hall. I'm such an idiot. I should've followed him right away instead of being a coward about it." She's absently gnawing on her nails again. "I have no idea how worried to be. I might be completely overreacting. I, just, this could go really badly." 

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"Is there anyone on your end of the door we could grab?"

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"...Savil? Maybe? That's our aunt. I guess that'd mean we have to un-pause time long enough for me to track her down, er, I'm not a Mindspeaker, sorry." 

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"My only other idea is asking Leareth if he knows what makes Companions go buggy."

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"...He might? I mean, if he's been around for ages, and he obviously thinks a lot about what the gods want, and Companions are a miracle from the gods." Lissa screws up her face. "Either way I'd be going behind Van's back and I hate doing that. But, um, there was a time a few years ago where someone should've done that and didn't, and it was really bad and almost a lot worse. I don't know what to do." 

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"He does not appear in imminent danger."

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Lissa sags. "Gods I'm so relieved. I mean, he looks pretty upset, but...maybe he'll get hungry or something and come down on his own at some point and we can ask if he wants me to go get Savil or if he'd like Leareth's advice? I'd feel way better about either of those plans if I had his permission." 

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"On reflection," Vanyel says stiffly with his eyes fixed straight ahead, "it's actually a stupid idea for me to go hide somewhere, I'm really upset and I don't currently trust myself to make reasonable decisions about things. I can't do my usual plan because everything is broken, and I can't think straight, so I'm going to hide down here instead." It sounds pretty rehearsed. He marches over to one of the couches and sits. 

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Lissa goes over and sits next to him. "Van, hey – we were trying to figure out what to do, before, and, um – I didn't want to do either before asking you, but if you want, I can run out and get Savil. Or...we can ask Leareth if he has any idea why Yfandes would've run off like that." 

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Vanyel lets out a startled snort at Leareth's name. 

"...I really don't feel like explaining to Savil why I haven't told her that I've been talking to my destined enemy for the past twelve years," he says dully. "And I'm not totally sure he's wrong about wanting to murder a bunch of people to power making a god. She'll be furious and upset and– it just isn't going to help at all." He leans into Lissa's shoulder. "I'd talk to Melody but she's in Haven and I can't Gate. I..can't figure out if it's a terrible idea or not to tell Leareth. Needs thinking and I can't. If you and Cam think it's worth it and not too risky and he might know anything useful then go ahead." 

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Lissa shoots a helpless look in Cam's direction that says very clearly 'what do you think, I am so unqualified to make that call.' 

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"Uh... suppose I do my reading, which may be informative, and then we decide whether to ask."

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"That makes sense." Vanyel twists to look pleadingly at Cam. "Is there a way you can make me not conscious until you're done? It's just...really unpleasant existing right now and I don't know how many hours it'll take you to read all his notes, it sounds like a lot of notes." 

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"I... could drug you, sure..."

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Pleading look. 

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"I did recently give you a near death experience and I'm no longer sure when you last ate, this seems like maybe a bad idea. Bar can possibly dose with more confidence."

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Pleading look at Bar instead. 

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Bar puts a mug of something on herself.

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Lissa goes and collects it and then worriedly sits next to Vanyel with her arm around his shoulders while he drinks it and then waits to see what it's going to do. 

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It's going to make him doze off on his sister, if she's going to be right there.

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Lissa waits a minute or so and then gently lays him down and covers him with a blanket. She leans her forehead on the couch back for a moment, looking relieved and shaky and exhausted.

“...Want to split the readings?” she offers.

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"I think I should look at it all myself but if you want a copy I can make you one. If on the other hand that sounds excruciating I can show you how to teach my computer your language, which will be useful for finding specific topics."

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"...Honestly it does sound pretty excruciating. I'll be much better at teaching your computer a language, probably," and she's pretty curious about how that's even possible so that sounds more interesting. 

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Cam starts up a machine learning process on a corpus of everything written in Valdemaran and gives Lissa a computer and shows her how it will present her with phrasings it's unsure about and she can poke the ones that are good and poke this button if they are not good and this other button if they're not exactly wrong but sound weird.

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This is actually pretty fun, especially when the wrong or weird phrasings are hilarious. She keeps wanting to read them out loud to Van; she doesn't, though. 

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Cam applies himself to the specs for the homemade god.

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They're pretty thorough and contain a number of subsections and digressions into theory. 

There are a couple of different main routes that Leareth hasn't fully decided between, though the one initially based off an uploaded and modified human mind is his less preferred option for reasons to do with opaqueness of processes and reflective stability of goals and values under large shifts in total power and multiplanar perceptive ability. (There's an offhand mention in a footnote that Companions and Firecats or Suncats, a Karsite equivalent who act as representatives of Vkandis Sunlord, are probably reincarnated and modified human mind-templates placed in magical bodies.) 

In all cases it's a multi-stage plan, with various tests and checkpoints where it would still be possible to shut down the baby godlet if it starts to seem like a bad idea. (Leareth anticipates having to run the initial stage a few times before getting it right enough to proceed onward; fortunately, it isn't the part with an absurdly high power requirement that can currently only be met via blood-sacrifice). The various scenarios where it could be a bad idea are discussed in detail.

There's some theory behind how to read off what a godlet is thinking when it's, in a sense, living in an extremely different world of being able to perceive every plane at once and also constant Foresight interaction with the past and future. There are notes on the danger of using proxy measurements for goals that may start to diverge once conditions get weird, and notes on avoiding giving the godlet any reason to try to hide what it's thinking because, for example, it doesn't want to be shut down. There's a digression into why getting the right goals and values is really hard actually, because the things that matter for human flourishing are a lot more complicated than they seem on the surface.

There's a lot of theory about how to model cause-and-effect in the scenario of multiple gods interacting with each other when all of them have constant access to Foresight futures. There's math. 

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What are the goals and values he's after, though, that's the sticking point.

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Leareth isn't sure what the final end state is! The really short simple encapsulation is that he thinks all the sentient beings in existence ought to be free to flourish and improve themselves and go towards what they want, but he thinks it's an open question what that looks like once all the stupid problems are solved, because this has literally never happened before. He's hoping a god can help everyone resolve confusing ethical questions such as, whether it's the average level of flourishing or the total amount multiplied across number of beings that matters the most, which affects how high a priority it is to try to get off the planet and expand to the other worlds he's pretty sure are out there and reachable by magic in theory. Also he's not sure if a world where everyone actually has the autonomy to pursue what they want without material scarcity would still involve hard-to-resolve interpersonal conflicts, and what to do about this – there's probably a 'free to pursue your flourishing except that you can't kill other people or destroy their stuff or prevent them from pursuing their flourishing' in there, which a god could maybe help administrate somehow. That being said, if they can get to a state where people actually have the space and time and resources to focus on this for a nice long time, it seems possible that they can eventually resolve thorny ethical questions as a civilization without directly needing a god's help. 

There are some prerequisites to these even being the important questions, though, such as 'no one is starving' and 'no one has to do constant backbreaking work with no slack in order to not starve', going up to 'scarcity of resources isn't particularly a limitation anymore'. Leareth doesn't so much need a god's help with this, as need a god's help to negotiate with the existing gods on their own level, figure out what sort of problem they have with this concept, and get them to stop interfering, though he certainly hopes a cooperative god can help solve the stupid problems faster and maybe without all the intervening steps that require decreasing people's freedom and autonomy because they're currently doing dumb harmful things with it (or, well, sometimes murdering some current people for blood-power in the name of solving things for future people). The list goes on to cover 'no group of people and all their descendants are bound in a pact with an existing god that forces them to do a particular thing forever' and 'no existential threats on the horizon' (there's some sort of centuries-from-now cataclysmic event that he's pretty worried about, which isn't described in detail), and go up to 'death is optional'. Leareth thinks this ought to be feasible via modifying the current afterlife-and-reincarnation situation to be less lossy and allow preservation of memories and sense-of-self across different bodies, if a god was willing to prioritize this.

There are probably still a lot of hard questions at that point, but it's an alien enough world from the current one that Leareth is hesitant to speculate on what the next improvements would be. He isn't a god, after all. 

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"Okay... uh, Leareth thinks Companions might be reincarnated and modified human souls but I don't know if that gets us anywhere."

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"...Huh, what?" Lissa's pretty absorbed in teaching Cam's computer how to speak – well, read – Valdemaran. "Sorry. I, um," she scrunches up her whole face, "I guess it depends what the modifications are?" Van is the one who's good at reasoning about this sort of topic, not her, damn it. "I mean, the thing Yfandes just did, it'd be sort of confusing if a human did it, so probably the modification has something to do with it, right?" She trails off, droops. "I still don't know if that gets us anywhere though. It's not like we can undo it." 

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"Yeah, it doesn't seem intrinsically helpful, but it is interesting and I can maybe check." Former human body of Yfandes, plasticized model: yea or nay?

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Yea! Formerly human Yfandes is a dark-haired woman who looks to be in her forties or fifties, wearing a somewhat different style of Heralds' Whites than Vanyel's. 

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Lissa perches on the arm of the sofa where Vanyel is still thoroughly asleep, worriedly stroking his hair. "I mean, Yfandes didn't repudiate him," she says eventually. "That's...got to mean something? She just stormed out. Maybe all she needs is space to calm down? If she was literally unbreakably mind-controlled into repudiating him over this then she would've done it right away, surely." 

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"That sounds probably right if it was, uh, tidy mind control? It might not be. She does appear to be a reincarnated human." He holds up the model.

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"Huh! Bizarre. I wonder why they never tell anyone?" Lissa looks at the model some more. "I mean, maybe it'd ruin their reputation as these really wise beings who know what's best. What do you think, um, untidy mind control could look like?" 

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"She might not remember? Uh, remember how Arda species have unbreakable oaths, those are a little gameable with exact words and manipulating your own state of information but ultimately they don't admit of breakage outright. She could be having some really unpleasant series of inferences beating their way through her head till she has no choices left. I don't specifically expect that but it's in possibility space."

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Lissa blinks a bit at the beginning of the sentence (she's briefly confused whether Cam means Yfandes won't remember a key fact about Arda oaths but probably he means she might not remember being human).

When he's done, she turns away for a while; when she looks back, she's on the edge of tears. 

"Is there anything we can do about it?" she says plaintively. "I don't – he's not going to be all right if she repudiates him, it'll break his mind, I've read about repudiations happening and it's really bad. Can Arda oaths be broken by someone else from the outside? Can a god break them if you talk them into it? Could we – all right, I don't know that it's better if we go find her and you keep her unconscious forever so she can't have unpleasant inferences but I don't know that it's worse either. Cam, I'm really scared, I...don't want this to be what's happening...and I don't know what to do–"

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"...there's tricks you can do with the chipped species but she isn't chipped. Uh, I don't know anything about horse medicine and she isn't even actually a horse. I could try to find her, the yard is space warped so even though she's been out a while I could maybe see her from the air? I could bring you if I make a shuttle."

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"Hmm. I...guess it could help to talk to her just to find out what's going on? I, um, I don't know that I want to leave Van unsupervised though and it seems like a bad idea to take him any closer to her since she specifically asked us not to let him go after her." 

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"And you can't fly a shuttle and she doesn't like me much."

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Lissa jumps up and starts pacing, gnawing her fingernail. "Damn it I wish I knew if this was the kind of emergency where it's worth doing something costly and irreversible right now or if it's safe to sit on it. I would just go get Savil and have her go with you, she's a Herald at least, but Van did specifically request not that and also, um, I think he has a point that it'd take a while for her to get past the yelling to the point where she'd actually help us... Gods, I would almost suggest getting Leareth but, er, I think Yfandes likes him even less, and it'd be putting a lot of trust in him to leave him here watching Van, I don't know how sketchy he seems after you read his god-specs? Um, is there literally anyone else in here we can pull in for help?" 

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"I could get an Elf."

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"Oh! If you can do that then – hmm, if you know any Elves who're really good with people, that could be a better idea than me talking to her. I'm actually really bad at delicate conversations and I'm kind of furious with her right now for being horrible to my brother, I could maybe keep a lid on it but I think she'd be able to tell." 

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"Uh, the ones I have with me I don't know all that well."

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Lissa seems slightly disappointed but not surprised. “Well, extra pair of hands is better than not having that, we can at least have them stay and watch Van so I can go in the shuttle with you and, er, do my best to talk to her.”

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"Oh, I could also remotely pilot the shuttle?"

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“Oh! If you can - I think that’d work. Although, um, if you have any suggestions for not screaming at someone even if you’re really pissed off with them...”

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"Uh, mentally award yourself points for restraining yelly impulses?"

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“Sure, I can try that.” Only mild dubiousness. Lissa is ready for a remotely piloted shuttle ride in the weird space-warped backyard anytime Cam is ready to provide it.

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He can make a shuttle and send it up and watch it from his computer and supervise Vanyel.

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Supervising Vanyel: takes very little effort, really, since he's thoroughly asleep. 

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Lissa is getting a ride in a flying shuttle! If everything wasn't terrible then this would be awesome, actually – all right, fine, it's still kind of awesome – oh! Is that a white Yfandes-shape way way way below her...? 

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Cam steers Yfandesward.

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Yfandes definitely hears the shuttle coming. She doesn't stir or look up, though; she's curled up nose-to-tail in the grass under a tall tree. 

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The shuttle lands as close as it can, which isn't that close because the tree cover's pretty dense.

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Lissa jumps out as soon as the shuttle's down and jogs over to Yfandes, who still doesn't move. She kneels. Yfandes stays put. 

...

About ten minutes later, Lissa runs back to the shuttle and clambers in. "...Cam, hmm, I forgot to ask if you can hear me from here?" 

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"I can, yes."

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Lissa curls up and leans her forehead on the window of the shuttle and is silent for a moment, trembling. 

"Well, I don't know if this is good news but it's not bad news. I think it's not one modification – there's two. Sort of like two of your Arda unbreakable oaths. One is an...ethics sort of thing, I don't know exactly what but it's the part reacting badly about the god. And the other is the Herald-bond. And they're actively in conflict now. Neither of them is a thing she's got a choice about the normal way – um, there is an out, she could decide to break the bond and resolve it that way – and probably die, it sounds like, it's not something the Companion usually survives either – but she's not. That's why she ran off. She doesn't want to repudiate him and part of her was flailing to do it instinctively and so she just...got herself away from the question long enough to think. And she's having this horrible fight with herself, none of her wants to leave Van except the stupid first oath, I was sort of...trying to mediate it, I guess, for a while, listening and holding onto what each 'side' was trying to say. The ethics part isn't very words, she described it like wanting to spit out bad hay. And she's telling it no over and over and, and trying to ask what it really wants, and it doesn't know, and it's...she's stuck and she eventually snapped at me for distracting her and I was scared of making it worse so I left. I don't know if one will break or if she'll be stuck like that forever and if one does break I don't know which would go first. But...I know which one she's trying to break." 

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"Yeah, that... doesn't sound like something we can improve on by bothering her."

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"I should probably just come back. And we can try to wait it out. Is Van still asleep?" 

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"Yes."

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"...Just a minute, I'm going to run out and tell her that I'm heading back and that we're keeping an eye on Van as long as she needs, um, I don't think saying that will break anything, she mentioned him a lot." 

Lissa runs out and talks to Yfandes for a few seconds and then runs back. "Ready." 

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Shuttle drops her off at the back door of the infinitely tall, infinitely wide building.

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It's a kind of alarming way for a building to be that she somehow didn't notice on the way out, probably because she was very distracted.

Lissa shrugs and goes in – and runs to Cam and flings her arms around him. "Thank you so much for helping me do that." 

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He reflexively hugs back with both arms and both wings, and blinks at her. "You're welcome."

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Being hugged by someone with wings is really nice, actually, especially when said person has been looking very huggable at her for days, and Lissa stays hugging him until she remembers to feel awkward. 

"...Um, and thank you for keeping an eye on my brother," he's still peacefully out, thank the gods, "and, sorry about messing up actually working on your problem." She steps back and finds a spot to sit. "What did you think of reading Leareth's notes? I don't know if you'd actually want to talk to him again until we've sorted this out somehow, but, curious which way you're leaning, I guess." 

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"I think... that I at least want to see if I can straightforwardly replace blood magic stuff with mindless bodies. And that will entail having more of a conversation about the rest of the stuff."

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"Huh, I don't think I know enough about magic to have any guesses if it would or not. I think he said he'd help you with your thing whether or not you helped him, though?" 

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"Uh, yes, but really replacing his power source would be more like helping all the people he'd otherwise murder."

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"...That's fair. Van will be really pleased if you can solve that part – not sure if he'd decide he had to fight Leareth over it otherwise, but he'd be happier either way." 

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"Exactly."

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Lissa nods and gives him a "what now" sort of look. 

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"I don't think Leareth is likely to be particularly advantaged at helping with Yfandes. Also, uh, Savil, does she also have a Companion? What if it affects hers too?"

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"I didn't think of that." Lissa makes a face and chews her nail while she thinks. "My guess is that it comes out of there being a mismatch? Yfandes seemed really upset that Vanyel thought Leareth's thing was maybe worth it. So I guess it's actually just bad either way – either Savil's completely horrified and won't help us, in which case what's the point, or we give her the same problem as Van. Which I'd feel horrible about even though she, um, might take it better than he did." 

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"So it might be we can't improve on waiting."

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"Well, in that case I'm getting drunk for the next bit. It was fine when my vacation turned into the interesting kind of surreal but now it's just the bad kind and I need a break." She heads Bar-ward. 

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Bar will serve her booze.

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Cam waits.

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A while passes. Lissa gulps her first drink and gets a second and nurses it sitting on the couch-arm by her brother and then goes and gets a third. 

 

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–And then there's some banging and a white mare sprinting in through the door to the backyard. :I'm sorry, I'm really sorry, I think I fixed it now – is he all right–:

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"Asleep. You weren't gone long from our perspective."

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Yfandes skids to a stop. 

:...Really? I thought it was days and days – oh, right, time is weird here: She's practically radiating relief. :How long has he been asleep, um, should I wake him or wait?: 

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Lissa glances over. "Bar, how long does the drug you gave him last – is he going to be really groggy or something if she tries to wake him now?" 

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It should be a normal sleep.

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Yfandes bounds over and nudges at Vanyel's shoulder. 

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Vanyel wakes with a start – Lissa is standing a bit too close-by and he sends her cup flying into the wall with a burst of accidental magic. He recognizes Yfandes, stares blankly at her for a few seconds, and then sits up and flings his arms around her neck and bursts into tears. 

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After a few minutes he calms down, looks around, and realizes Cam is still there. "...Um, I'm really sorry about the last however-long-it's been," he says, shamefaced. "I meant to help you on your problem and then I didn't at all. What did we need to do next – er, was there something Leareth was going to give you to read? I sort of stopped paying attention once Yfandes was yelling in my head." 

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Yfandes somehow manages to convey an astonishing amount of sheepishness via horse-body-language. 

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"It's okay, I did the reading while you slept. Uh, what's the... situation...?"

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Vanyel just stares blankly at him. "I have no idea because I've been asleep?" 

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"I was asking Yfandes but assuming you'd maybe talk for her."

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:I might as well keep talking to you all now that I've started: Yfandes hangs her head. :I had a problem – tried to tell Lissa – it's not new, that's the stupid thing, I should've noticed sooner. Ever since Van started asking questions about the gods, felt uneasy, couldn't think straight about it. And then, this... It was like I didn't recognize Van, or, no, it was only one part of me that didn't, and that part of me felt like...like there was a line that'd been crossed and now nothing was worth salvaging and I might as well burn it all down. Which I knew was stupid! And I kept trying to stare at it and figure out why, and...it wanted the same thing as all the rest of me. To do right by Valdemar and by my Chosen. That’s what a Companion is for. Only, it clearly wasn’t working. Because Valdemar needs Van, and Van needs me, and it was trying to make me repudiate him. So it was wrong. Somehow: 

:So I kept looking and asking the feeling what it was really for – what a Yfandes is really for – until it started to change. And then it all dissolved and there was just...nothing. Not even a coherent question. Nobody's for anything, that's meaningless. All of a sudden it’s only days and nights and rocks and trees and rivers and fires. And people, feeling things and wanting things and doing things. There’s no other purpose to it. Nothing except us: 

Yfandes turns and stares at Cam, helpless, pleading. :So I'm back. I'm not going to repudiate Van and I'm going to help you figure out your problem, somehow. Just... How does anyone live like this?: 

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"Um, I usually prefer it, but that does sound very disorienting. Do you want an only loosely related fact that probably won't help at all?"

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:Y...es?: Yfandes sends, rather hesitantly.

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He shows her the little figurine. "Does this look familiar?"

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Yfandes gets a cross-eyed look. 

:...It does. How in all hells did you, um, produce it? How did you guess?: 

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Vanyel glances over. "Cam, what is tha– oh. 'Fandes, you used to be a Herald? Cam, how did you figure that out?" 

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"My reading included Leareth's theory that Companions were reincarnated so I checked."

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"How did he know?" Vanyel is making a very weird face about it. "How does that even work?" 

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"I don't know how he knew - I don't think he was even sure. And I couldn't tell you how it works but it turns out to be a conjurable parameter."

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Vanyel nods absently, and is quiet for a while. “What did you want to do next, Cam?” he says finally. “Talk to Leareth more? Er, I didn’t even ask what you thought of the readings. What...were his god plans like?”

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"I have... some notes... but want to check if a mindless conjured body works as a replacement for murdering people."

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Vanyel stares blankly at him for a moment. 

"...Huh. I have no idea whether that would work. I don't know enough about how blood-magic works." His expression hints that he doesn't especially want to. "Worth trying though? That'd be, um, really good if it worked." 

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"Yeah, that was my thought. Uh, I'm ready to open the door again whenever you are. But before inviting Leareth over we should consider that Milliways has categorically adequate security so if he decides he wants to park here and work on stuff and we decide after he arrives that we don't like the stuff we don't have a lot of options."

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"Categorically adequate... You mean, he wouldn't be able to mess with us and we also wouldn't be able to mess with him?"

Vanyel frowns and thinks for a long time. "I'm only worried about that in the scenario where he's lying about some or all of what he wants, I think? If he's telling the truth, then, well, I hate his current plan because it involves murdering a lot of people but I have to assume he hates it too and just hasn't found anything better. And even if you can't solve that for him, I bet he would sit down and ask Bar for books from other worlds until he found something else. I think that would be a big win for Valdemar. If he's telling the truth, then I," he grits his teeth and looks over at Yfandes for a moment, "want to help him." 

Shrug. "Seems pretty unlikely he's lying – it'd be a really weird lie with a lot of material prepared to back it up, I don't know how or why anyone would write up full specs for a god if they weren't really planning on doing it. Still, since you're bringing it up, I'm trying to think of a way to actually check before we commit. I, hmm, I could meet him in a neutral location first, and ask him to say something under Truth Spell about his intentions? And if he passes, I'm willing to call that enough. If not, I...guess I try to call Final Strike on him? And then you're warned and can do, um, whatever you see fit about that." 

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Horrified look. 

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"I agree it'd be a weird lie with a lot of material backup. Uh, you're sure he doesn't have a way to beat your truth spell?"

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"No. Unless I leave a hole in my wording somehow, it shouldn't be possible to beat a Truth Spell. It works via little air-elementals that have an innate magical ability to directly read intent, my former colleague Deedre put thousands and thousands of candlemarks into testing it. But I'm not completely and utterly sure. I would feel better about a full shields-down mindread, if he'll agree to it to, but...gah, just, part of the problem is that it's Leareth and I know he's smarter than me and if I think he can maybe beat a Truth Spell then, who knows, maybe he can beat Thoughtsensing too. But at some point I have to be willing to make a leap." 

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"...yeah. I don't think he's lying, I just don't want to unilaterally decide to give him the protection of Milliways security. I guess we could avoid telling him about Milliways security right away and lure him into the backyard if we need to murder him."

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Lissa clamps down on something that sounds suspiciously like a snicker. 

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"He's hard to fool," Vanyel says slowly. "That being said, everything about this situation is weird and new enough that he can't have much to go on in terms of inferences. And I didn't know about the security until you mentioned it just now so it's not obvious. Er, how does the security work?" 

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"There is an office with a security person in it. I talked to him, he's from a world where if you want to have magic you can't stop doing it for extended periods of time ever and as long as you keep going it gets stronger and stronger. Being in Milliways lets him take breaks. Uh, it's possible it's someone else now, I don't think we'd know about it if there were a shift change. Security are hired from the normal pool of patrons and they get paid and probably get doors more frequently and stuff and it always just so happens that security which can take you is on duty while you are in the establishment."

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"Ooh, Van, you could sign up for security duty! Bet you could take lots of people, and you'd get paid." 

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Vanyel gives her a 'not now we're trying to focus' look. "Right. If I go with the mindreading plan I'm more likely to find out if he is lying but he's also very likely to spot something about Milliways security, I can't do a deep enough read without unshielding and I'm not sure I can control my own thoughts well enough to avoid thinking about it. Given the low probability I currently put on him lying, I'm...inclined to go with just Truth Spell. I, er, assume you wouldn't have much trouble murdering him if you decided it was warranted?" 

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"I wouldn't like it. I might not react especially fast if this became clear gradually and it wasn't obvious when it became murder time. It wouldn't be technically difficult, if that's what you mean."

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"That's what I meant. Obviously you wouldn't like it!" Vanyel hops up and starts pacing. "I just wanted to check because I'm not sure can take him in a fight if he's expecting it, and most likely the only way I could would involve both me being dead afterward and a very large fireball–" He cuts off, stops, stares at nothing in particular. 

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"Yeah, well. It's not technically difficult for daeva to kill people."

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Lissa laughs. 

"Did you know," she says brightly, "you would be really scary if you weren't nice– no, wrong word, if you weren't trying to do the right thing so hard all the time?" 

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"I can't say it's crossed my mind in exactly those terms."

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Vanyel heads abruptly for the couches again, sits, drops his head into his hands. 

"Sorry, I - thought I was fine," he says tightly. "I think, maybe, I'm not that fine actually. Sorry." 

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"We don't have to open the door soon if you need a bit - what's wrong -?"

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"It's, um – I'm just..." Vanyel sits up, yanking at his hair in frustration. "Don't know how to explain. I'm - everything is bad - for stupid reasons you can't do anything about." 

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"Uh. Okay. Take as long as you need, I'm not in a rush."

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"Van, I think you should tell him. He's incredibly powerful, maybe he can fix it–" Lissa stops dead. "Wait. The Yfandes thing. What if...?" She trails off. 

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"What if what?"

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Vanyel gives Lissa a very dubious look, and then turns back to Cam.

"I, er, have a problem that you probably haven't heard of in your world, if you don't have lifebonds. I...was lifebonded to someone...who died a long time ago. I know it's stupid that I can't get over it, it's been fourteen years, but - it's still really bad sometimes - like right now." He puts his head back down on his knees. 

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"Tylendel was a Herald," Lissa explains helpfully. "The person Van was lifebonded to. He might've come back? Like Yfandes did." She makes a face. "...Which would be really really weird actually, but it might be less bad than Van being miserable all the time forever because of this." 

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"Do... you want me to check?"

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Yfandes answers eventually, after neither of the others do. :Doesn’t seem likely, I’ve met nearly all the new Companions, but what are we going to do at this point, NOT check? It’s a quick test, no?:

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Check.

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"This is, uh, a human child."

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Vanyel is determinedly not looking over. 

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Lissa bursts out laughing. Thirty seconds pass before she can speak. "Van, oh, gods – it's not even funny – but it's hysterical – you have to see this – you aren't going to believe it..." Aaand now she is laughing too hard to speak again. 

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"Van seriously you can't just never look." 

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"I mean, I'm reading a little into what 'lifebonded' means but it does seem like it might be awkward."

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"You know," Vanyel says wearily, "I previously would've said that I firmly believed all information is worth having, but I'm starting to have second thoughts." Pause. "Goddamnit. It's Stef, isn't it. I asked myself the question 'if Tylendel was reincarnated as a person I know and my sister is making that noise with her mouth, who is it' and it was obvious." He puts his head down on his knees. "This so incredibly isn't helping at all." 

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"...sorry."

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"No, Yfandes was right, once Lissa had to say it out loud we couldn't not check, and...I was thinking it earlier...I would've gotten up the courage to ask eventually. So I was sort of already doomed." 

Sigh. "This might even help at a different time, I don't know – it's, I have to process what that even means, but right now I just really really needed my life not to get any weirder and then it went and got several levels weirder, and, gah." He yanks on his hair. "I don't know what's going to make me less miserable. I'm sorry. I would try sleeping but I just woke up." 

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"I don't really have any useful suggestions, I'm sorry."

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"I'm going to go out in the backyard and yell at trees for a few minutes." He gets up and marches out. Yfandes follows. 

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Cam picks up his computer and reads things.

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"Why do I always say things out loud when I shouldn't?" Lissa storms over to Bar, stops, and politely requests an alcoholic drink of some way shape or form. "...Oh, and can you do food and one of those coffees for my brother? I actually have no idea when he last ate and I probably should've thought of those sooner as things that might improve his mood right now." 

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Bar provides peanut butter apple oatmeal, two hot fried eggs, three sausages, triangles of rye toast, and a cup of coffee, milk no sugar.

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"Ooh, what is that, it smells amazing!" Lissa peers and sniffs at the peanut butter oatmeal. "I think I want some too. In a minute. I'll bring this out to him." 

She carries the food out the back door, and is gone for a while. 

When she comes back, she heads right for Cam and hugs him again. "I'm sorry you're getting dragged into all of this. Disasters have a habit of following Van around." 

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"I don't blame him for it at all."

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"I know. 'Cause you're..." Lissa frowns, stares out at the explosions. "Sorry, I'm no good at words for this. What I'm wanting to say is... Because you're good?" Her face scrunches. "That's...not exactly it. I know you don't think you are. I bet a lot of people don't. You destroyed a planet and killed a lot of people, and that's...real, but, just, I... Damn it, I'm too sober to talk about this. I'm going to go ask Bar for another couple of drinks and then maybe I can say the thing I mean."

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"Uh, I'm not sure I'd actually say that I don't think I'm good, I'd say that I don't have any business expecting other people to think so."

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"...I'm glad? I wasn't sure." Lissa marches over to Bar. "Can I get some kind of liquor I can drink fast? Two of them, actually." 

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SHOTS.

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Shots! Lissa tosses back one and then the other and then puts down the coins she owns. "Oof. Perfect. Thank you, Bar, you're wonderful."

She marches back over to Cam. "Where was I? Right. I mean, I think... No one has any business expecting other people to think they're good? That's not how it works, it's a thing other people get to decide..."

She shakes her head, grimacing. "That's not even the thing I wanted to say. I – you made a choice, right? You did an awful monstrous thing because it was the only way you could see to make an even worse thing stop, and no one else was going to do it – no one else could do it – and now that's...a thing you've done, forever." She yanks at her braid. "Damn it, I'm so bad at saying it, I'm sorry. What I meant, is..."

She steps back, paces back and forth in a tight square. "All right, so, two years ago we were at war with Karse. And they put me in charge of leading an invading force through a Gate to take back Sunhame for Karis – er, we had an alliance with the rightful heir to the throne, there'd been a coup over there but she escaped alive. And I led my people in there and...and we killed kids, the Karsite priesthood was desperate, they'd been recruiting children with untrained mage-gift and teaching them just enough blood-magic to set my men on fire, and they, no, killed them. That moral responsibility is on me. Kids who were just trying to defend their city. And we took Sunhame and ended the war and...and it's prevented tens of thousands of deaths that would've happened in the last two years, not just soldiers, all the commonfolk who were starving because our soldiers or their soldiers drove them off their land on the front. And that's worth it. But it's still...a thing I did. I don't think it was a mistake. I'm proud that I helped end a war. And I feel like a monster for it." 

Lissa turns on the spot and faces Cam and clasps her hands behind her back. "I'm not claiming to get it. I probably don't get it. What you had to do, what you chose to do, is – it's so much bigger than a petty little border war in a backward kingdom. But...I think I can understand a little. My old commander said... He said anyone in a position like mine needs to have a bit of the butcherer in them, has to have the spine to weigh up some numbers and decide it's worth it and then order other people pay the price in blood. Sometimes you'll make mistakes, but sometimes you won't, sometimes it'll have been right and worth it and still monstrous. And...he said it's important, to carry that. To remember that it's not just numbers. To remember that you, personally, bear responsibility for the deaths of real people, who had names and lives and futures, and now they don't anymore. He said being able to keep both sides in mind – that it was worth it, and still monstrous – is how you keep from becoming a monster." 

Shrug. "I actually have no idea if he's right, that a part of you needs to feel awful forever about having done that or else you'll forget the cost was real. I do wish I knew how to, I don't know, get you to put it down for half a candlemark sometime and just be a person. Who deserves to exist and be happy just like all the people you saved from being tortured by an evil god. But I don't know how to do that. I don't even know how to do it for Van. Or for myself, except by getting so drunk I don't remember it the next day. I don't know if any of that was the thing I meant to say, even. Just... I'm trying to get it. That's all." 

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"The people the evil god got to don't want to exist at this point. He's very thorough. I killed a bunch of people in order to get even more people than that also killed. Also end a war, that part's less ambiguous."

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"...I'm sorry. That's..." she frowns, clearly trying to find a suitable word, and seems to give up, "bad. I'd offer to lend you some of our Mindhealers in case that'd help but I have no idea if it would and also we have like five total. Er, six if you count my friend's daughter but she's eight."

Shrug. "Personally, I'd think them having the option to not exist if they don't want to is better than being tortured forever, but... It sounds pretty awful. All of it. I'm sorry." 

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"Versions of them from pre-capture exist but I could have done that anyway. I don't like the sound of 'Mindhealers' at all, especially not if they're eight."

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"Versions of them from..." Lissa tugs on her braid again. "The entire brain chip copying people thing makes my head hurt. Anyway, I...think I'll stop saying things because clearly I can't say the right things at all. Um, can I give you a hug, though?" 

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"Sure."

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Hug. "I do appreciate it."

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"I'm glad." Lissa hugs him for a while – wing hugs are awesome – and then lets go and steps back. 

"...Oh, I feel those shots. Bar, that's really good stuff." She's steady on her feet and speaking clearly, doesn't look drunk aside from the high colour in her cheeks and, well, the chattiness. "This is awkward, now I'm the perfect level of drunk to go pick a fight in a tavern or kiss a cute boy so I feel better about my life for thirty seconds, and I don't suppose I can do either of those things. If you're not a fan of dancing I assume you don't like sparring either."

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"I do not, sorry."

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Lissa thinks for a moment. "I'll ask Bar for a meal," she decides. "Then I'll be sober sooner. In the meantime... If you feel like playing music I'd definitely dance to it by myself and, I don't know, if you like music then maybe both of us get to have fun that way?" 

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"Sure, I can play something." He takes up his violin and sets up his computer for sheet music purposes and plays.

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Lissa asks Bar for food – and to please include some of whatever the nice-smelling porridge thing was that Van got – and a pint of water, and she eats and drinks quickly, standing up and sort of swaying in a half-dancing way, and then she dances. She's reasonably graceful, even if a lot of her solo dance moves sort of look like fighting. 

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She's still going when Vanyel comes back in. Vanyel pauses near the door, pointing a questioning look in Cam's direction. 

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Cam comes to the end of a phrase. "Hey Vanyel, how are you doing?"

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Vanyel walks over. "I'm fine–" he stops himself, "well, I'm not totally fine, but I can manage. I, er, cleared the air on some things with 'Fandes, and we're on the same page now, so that's better." 

He shakes his head. "Gods, all this should feel like a bigger deal than it does. I've spent the last, oh, thirteen years of my life with all this uncertainty on whether I'm actually going to die stopping Leareth or not, and...all of a sudden nearly all of my expectations are on 'not', and I have no idea how that's going to change things in Valdemar, I've only gotten as far as thinking about your problem. Which is actually a way, way, way bigger deal than my dead lifebonded currently being a twelve-year-old Bardic student who's best friends with my nephew. Or my Companion storming off, honestly. And you've just been coping, this whole time, and - I'm sorry I can't cope as well and I've been such a disaster at you, but," deep breath, "I'm feeling pretty ready to take on meeting Leareth. Probably I should read some of the materials he sent you, though, or maybe you can give me a summary?" 

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"I had, uh, prep time? It took five days to - get to Valinor. So I used them. Uh, summary, he wants to build a god - he didn't set up his notes to be a class on the subject, they're mostly notes to himself, so I have some questions about his moral philosophy in a few places, and about his plan for his god to negotiate with other gods presupposes a lot of facts about gods that I'm not sure are warranted assumptions, but except insofar as he hasn't personally solved ethics he seems on the up and up."

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Nod. "I, um... Does it seem like he knows that he hasn't personally solved ethics? I'm not sure how much it's a deciding factor for the immediate thing, but I'd be...more nervous...if it seems like he thinks he knows the right answers." 

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"He seems to think that the god will solve ethics the rest of the way, which is... sure something."

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"Huh. Do gods...reason about ethics? I have no idea." Vanyel shrugs. "Not sure I'm in a good place to actually do careful reasoning about that right now. I'll, um, stick to trying to figure out what I should ask him to say under Truth Spell that will do the most work towards showing whether he's planning to cooperate here. Any thoughts on that?" 

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"Uh, I'd like to know if he'll peacefully leave Milliways should our consensus be that we want him to do that. - specifically as a condition for being allowed in, that might matter. Meeting him elsewhere risks less."

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Vanyel nods and sits down, retrieving the notes he was taking from earlier. "I guess I had been thinking that I meet him at the message-drop location, which is where he offered to go before we paused him. And I request a general cooperative-intent oath under Truth Spell – we might as well inform him of that using the drone, before he heads over, I sort of predict he'll be more comfortable saying it if he's had time to think it through. He seems to prefer having time for thinking. Um, anyway, but I wouldn't mention Milliways until after he's passed that. So we can split up the risk, if that make sense? I don't know how much he's inferred about Milliways given his existing observations, but it can't be everything, it's too weird." 

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"We can do it that way, that makes sense. Milliways is a really colossal opportunity - that's why I'm hanging out here - and my read is that he'd be very tempted to chuck every other opportunity out the window to get it but it's probable that he knows enough fancy game theory stuff to cope with 'this invitation was conditional on you reliably making this promise so you actually have to keep it'. I can ask him about that."

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“Ask him in the hypothetical before mentioning Milliways specifically, you mean?” Vanyel shakes his head. “He would be so tempted. This place is incredible and I think he would see a thousand ways to make use of it that I haven’t in the first twenty minutes.”

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"Uh, we can also ask the security guy if he can kick Leareth out on his own discretion."

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“Oh! If that might be a thing then it definitely seems worth asking. Er, where is he?”

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"Office is around the corner." Cam leads the way.

In the security office is a guy with his feet up on his desk reading a book. "Hello again," he says.

"Hi Nechar," says Cam. "We're wondering if you can kick patrons out on your own discretion."

"If they seem likely to make trouble, sometimes. It's pretty hard to make trouble I can't undo though."

"So only within the scope of keeping order in the bar?"

"Pretty much."

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"I guess that covers us against some types of bad outcome?" Vanyel says cautiously. "Um, but not any I'd expect to happen if Leareth already passed the Truth Spell steps and genuinely wants to help you but actually we just disagree with his moral philosophy and-or the wisdom of making a god to solve all of humanity's problems." 

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"Yeah, it's nice as far as it goes but doesn't really help with kicking him out under the likely scenario. Thanks anyway, Nechar."

"Uh-huh."

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Vanyel hauls himself back over to the bar area and sits down in a booth. 

"...Where are we at, then? Meet him, Truth Spell, shuttle him over here, second Truth Spell – or that should maybe be before, don't want him to know where we are before we've decided. I think we need paper to plan this out." He digs out some. "Cam, are you coming along or were you going to stay here and listen via drone? If I'm there I can still Truth Spell him while you talk to him, and give you a signal if he passes or not."

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"I can't risk losing the door. If I ever really need to leave the bar I'll ask some Elves in before I - actually I should do that anyway, one second." He goes to the door. "Alassëo, come here please -"

A tall, absurdly pretty man with braided hair, wearing lovely embroidered robes, comes in and looks around in bewilderment as Cam shuts the door behind him and murmurs a quick explanation.

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Vanyel looks the other way and tries very hard not to stare at the unfairly beautiful man who's suddenly standing right there and where did he get those robes and– stop, stopstopstop and focus, please, at least this is less awkward as a distraction than finding out he's future-lifebonded to a preteen and damn it now he's thinking about that again. 

"That makes sense," he hears himself say. "I think there's no need for you to come." Focus focus focus. "We should probably get the wording of what I'm going to ask him to say written out..." 

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Cam buys Alassëo a room upstairs and Alassëo disappears to go hang out in it without, apparently, noticing Vanyel's staring. "Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm not sure exactly how good this translation effect is, it seems to be fine for conversation but might be iffier for exact words, so you should do the phrasing even if I can help you think of stuff."

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"Right. So, er, the first part I want is – well, the thing I'm actually trying to test is 'have you been telling me the truth about your motives for the last ten years'. I guess I could straight-up ask that? Why not. And then I want to know his intentions now. That he's planning to help you with the specific request, and not to do anything behind our backs even if he thinks the results would justify it, and...that he doesn't have any reason to think that would change. That'd cover in case he did something clever like put a temporary compulsion on himself that changed his beliefs about his own intentions, but would wear off later."

It would be really nice to be doing this at a time when his mind was working properly. Vanyel rubs his eyes. "Er, can you see other loopholes I should cover here?"

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"Does he expect he'd be able to figure out if there were any such compulsions, if so will he please do so now, are there any."

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“That’s a really good idea.” And this is why he’s so glad to have help from someone whose brain is working. “All right, that just covers part one. If he’s clear, then...we tell him Milliways exists - maybe in vague terms to start, so he doesn’t know enough to just find it anyway if he refuses our terms - and then extract an oath that he’ll agree to leave if we ask him to? Um, any other requests or loophole covering you’d want to put in there?”

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"Uh, we should probably cover the contingency where we don't agree perfectly."

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“You and I, you mean?” He...hadn’t thought of that.

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"For that matter, do Lissa and Yfandes get votes. Does Alassëo, though I think he may be under orders from his king to help me out so he probably would just do whatever I thought best unless we tripped over an Elf cultural taboo that didn't manage to come up in the war or something."

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Lissa perks up at her name and also wanders over. "...Sorry, what's the question?" She does, in fact, seem most of the way to sober already. 

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"Do you want or should you get a vote on whether we evict Leareth."

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"...Um, what?" Blink. "I – hmm. I feel less qualified than either of you to make that call, if I were in your shoes I wouldn't give me a vote, in practice I think I'd go with what Van said, but...in principle, yes, I sort of do want a say." 

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"We can at least plan to consult you even if we consider your input nonbinding?"

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"I think that makes sense." Lissa nods. "It'd be a lot of pressure to be one vote in three. Er, what are you going to do if you two disagree?" 

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"...We haven't decided," Vanyel admits. "Given the stakes, I'd lean toward either one of us getting a veto here? I mean, if you want to kick Leareth out and I don't, we can try to argue it out and figure out why we disagree, but if we still do..." He ducks his head. "I'd take your judgement seriously even if I didn't understand it. Not sure how you'd feel about that if it were reversed." 

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"No, I think that makes sense. I can always just wait in here till someone else comes in, it's not like he's my only shot, so if you want to kick him you're the one who's going to be dealing with that later and I'll assume you weighed that appropriately."

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"I would. Yes. So, hmm..." He looks down at his paper. "We inform him of those conditions?" 

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"Either of us can kick him out, he bindingly agrees to that as a condition of being invited, he isn't doing anything cute with self-deception, he says all that under your truth spell, and then he can come read all the books from several octillion universes or whatever it is he'd like to do here while consulting on my and other problems."

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Vanyel writes all of that down. 

"...All right, this feels reasonably thorough to me," he says. "Are you ready to, er, unpause him and inform him that we'll take him up on his offer and he can meet us at the message-drop location?" 

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"Well, not me, just you, I don't want to get stranded in your world. Uh, a shuttle big enough to carry you might be conspicuous, they're fairly quiet but not silent and I can make cloud cover but I can't make it invisible."

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"Right, you'll, er, join us remotely." Vanyel scowls at the window. "I didn't think of that at all. I can cover it with an illusion," maybe, hopefully, it's not his strong point and they'll be moving, "and a sound-barrier, but...both will leak magic, might fool the rest of my family but Savil is pretty likely to pick up on it. I don't know what to do about that."

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"I suppose we could ask Leareth in case he has a super good extra secure illusion spell up his sleeve."

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"That would only help for the retur– oh, you mean ask him via the drone before we go pick him up? Sure. I bet he does know one. Might still be bottlenecked on skill, though – I would wager a lot of money that his control is much better than mine, and that matters a lot more than power for illusions. Wait. Cam, do you need line of sight to make the shuttle or could you make it outside the landholding to begin with?" 

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"I can make it in a specified place without seeing it. This is not usually recommended because I may inadvertently make it where something else already is, but the shuttle in particular could be made midair and then I could land it by drone so nothing but birds are at risk."

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Nod. "I think that would be a good idea. I can show you on a map – hmm, 'Fandes and I need to get ourselves there too and I'm not going to Gate, so if we're riding anyway we can take one of your drones with us and give you a visual? And then on the return trip, one, Leareth can probably cover us, and two, if she does sense it we can just dive inside and pause time – it'll be a faint trace, she won't be able to hunt it down right away." 

Still, that plan would leave a large shuttle in the temple courtyard for Savil to find whenever they un-paused time... "Cam, can you un-make the shuttle once we're done using it, or is that not something your power does?" 

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"Not something it does. I can tell it to dive into the sun if we need rid of it."

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"Sure. I mean, it'd take a long time to get there."

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Vanyel drags his brain away from the suddenly-opened field of questions about exploring celestial bodies. "...Right, so we'll need to deal with the shuttle if we think Savil sensed it on the way in, maybe by, er, flying it into the sun or something. If we don't think it was detected, probably it'd be best to fly it back to where you made it? Just in case we want it again or something." He makes a note. 

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"Sure."

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"Do you have anything else for our list or should we go ahead?" Vanyel stands. "I want another coffee first. And maybe ten minutes to do a trance-exercise or something so I'm less terrified about this." 

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"Do you want anti-anxiety medication. I bet Bar in her capacity as a pharmacy does this."

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"Er, how do those work? If it's going to make me out of it or stupider in any way, I shouldn't. I'm...actually pretty used to doing things anyway when I'm scared, my life has been a lot of that." 

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"I don't know what she has but she has octillions of universes of pharmacopia over there."

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"...This place is cheating so hard." Vanyel shrugs and walks over to Bar. "Um, do you have medication for anxiety that wouldn't make me at all foggy or less alert, or impaired in other ways?" 

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Vanyel looks at it with great dubiousness, then shrugs and picks it up. "Cam, if this turns out to be a terrible idea for some reason, we can just keep things paused until it wears off, right? I should wait until I know what it's going to do before actually talking to him, anyway." 

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"No rush."

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The pill kicks in about ten minutes later and cuts off all the high peaks of nervousness. Everything looks a little sepia toned; that's all.

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It's kind of weird but for this purpose it seems better than the alternative. Vanyel stands up. "I'm ready. Er, were you still going to do the talking for this first part or should I?" 

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"Either way works for me."

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"Er, why don't you start then, since you were talking before." 

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"Sure."

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"All right." Vanyel takes a deep breath, and glances around. "Lissa, we're unpausing him. Don't, er, talk in the background." 

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Cam picks up his computer so he'll be able to talk through the drone when the door opens.

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"...Oh right sorry." She darts over and opens the door, then glances around, and sits down with her back against it holding it open. 

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"Hi, thanks for not waiting. We think you should meet up with Vanyel, give him some assurances, and then, assuming those come through all right, meet us where we're at."

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"This is Vanyel here. Assurances would be given under Truth Spell, just want to make sure that won't be a surprise." Vanyel has gone very still. He looks calm. 

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Leareth lifts a finger. "A moment to think, please." 

He's still and silent for a while.

"I am willing in theory," he says finally. "However, your ability to absorb all of the information I share with you instantly – which is very intriguing to me – while I cannot do the same, means that I have had much less time to consider this, and I would prefer to take, hmm, four candlemarks, to think on it." A thin smile. "I have found it wise to avoid making massive life-changing decisions in five minutes. If that is acceptable to you, I will take this time and then reactivate my portal briefly to confirm, at which point it will take me approximately another two candlemarks to physically reach the location."

One shoulder rises and falls in a slow, deliberate shrug. "I will be very fatigued after this journey, however, I doubt that it would make any difference. You have me sufficiently overpowered to kill me at any time, if you so wished, whether I am at my full capacities or not, and so I must rely on your benevolence." 

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"I guess waiting a bit to think is reasonable. Do you have any questions or do you just want to mull it over?"

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"...I have a vast number of questions, however, I am not sure whether any of them fall into the intersection of 'actually relevant to my decision' and 'information you are willing to share before receiving my costly assurances under Truth Spell'. If you do have a way of, for example, sending a written text, I would be curious to hear more about the circumstances of the war you fought than what Vanyel told me in our last conversation. I would also like to know more about your personal history, although of course I have no way of verifying that what you share with me is true." 

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"I do not have a convenient way to send you writing at this time."

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Slow nod. "Then I will make do with the information I have. If it is not too costly for you to leave your device active and listening, I will reactivate my portal to alert you when I have decided."  

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"That is not costly."

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Another nod, and then the circular image goes blank. 

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"I...suppose I will wait nearby," the man in brown leather says, and then steps out of view of the drone camera. 

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"So I've got to sit here and hold the door for the next four candlemarks?" Lissa says. She sighs. "I guess that's all right." 

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Vanyel frowns. "That...could be a problem. It's morning out there now. At some point Savil is going to notice I haven't been in touch and wonder where I am. She might come looking for me." 

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"As long as Lissa is holding the door, you could go check in with Savil."

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Sigh. "I probably should. And tell her that, I don't know - I should come up with an excuse for why I'm not around for a bit, that won't make her worry about me." 

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"Reading a book?"

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"But then she'll try to–" He stops. "I guess it's fine if she Mindspeaks me while we have the door open. I can shield enough that she won't know where I am specifically. And I can tell her I'd rather not be interrupted." 

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"You'd be better than me at predicting any holes in the plan here, I don't know her."

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"If she actually comes here for some reason and we've got the door open to something that obviously isn't the chapel... It's pretty unlikely, but I could illusion it just in case, make the door look closed – and we could make a diversion of some kind if someone does come by and look like they're trying to open it." He scowls. "I wish the door hadn't showed up at my parents' house. It's going to be even more awkward if my mother stumbles in here." 

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"Okay. Uh, do you want to plan a diversion? Flock of, uh, butterflies?"

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Lissa, still holding the door, bursts out laughing. "Can you imagine that, Van? Mother's about to walk in here and suddenly, BUTTERFLIES! That would be hysterical." 

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"I was thinking more 'loud noise from the opposite direction'," Vanyel says wryly. "...Cam, can you create a flock of butterflies with your maker power?" 

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"Yes. I can't do birds, or, well, I can but they'll just flop around on the ground creepily. Really dumb animals like bugs and snails will behave normally. But I can also do something that will make a loud noise."

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"Should work once, at least. It seems hard to keep this door hidden from my family forever, people do occasionally want to visit the chapel, but once we collect Leareth – if that happens smoothly – we can close the door and pause Valdemar again until...I mean, there might not be a necessity to unpause it again for a while." 

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"Yeah. Uh, I think you'll still age and stuff here but otherwise yeah."

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"Then let's try not to take forever on your problem," Lissa says brightly. "That'll do the opposite of help with, er, the Stef situation. Really what we should do is finish up here, get all your dead people back, and then invite Stef to come hang out in here while Van's paused, and, I don't know, learn the music from a thousand different worlds until he's the same age as Van." 

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Vanyel covers his face with both. "Lissa, can you please. Not." 

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"Aaanyway. Topic at hand." Vanyel shoots one final glower at his sister and then turns back to Cam. "Since we aren't in a rush right now, I might as well duck out and go have breakfast with my family or something. I think I can avoid giving anything away, before I was already preoccupied about, um, other things." 

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"Sure, if it won't be weird for Lissa to skip it."

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"It won't at all. I'm not a morning person, I usually skip it. If we're still waiting at lunchtime then probably I could cut back on suspicion by going for that." 

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"And Vanyel can skip that one and no one will start wondering if you are one another's secret identities or anything from not seeing you at the same time. All right."

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Sigh. "All right, I'll be back soon." Vanyel heads out into the courtyard. 

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Vanyel comes back about an hour later, looking mildly disgruntled. "Talked to her. Don't think she's suspicious. That was exhausting." He flops onto one of the sofas. "Any word from Leareth?" 

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"No, not yet."

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They can wait some more, then. "Cam, want to give me a copy of the god specs, or any other Leareth reading that makes sense for me to catch up on?" 

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Cam hands him god specs.

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Vanyel reads. Occasionally he makes surprised or thoughtful noises.

 

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"...Gods, it's hard to keep track of what time it is out there," Lissa says finally. "It's probably lunchtime-ish. I should go. Van, can you take over on the door?"

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"Of course." He relocates and sits with his back to the door with his reading material while Lissa darts out. 

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A couple of minutes later: "Cam? Are you still present?" 

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"Yes, hello."

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Leareth's image is back on the portal-display. "I have taken the time to consider, and I will accept your offer. I can meet at the message location in two candlemarks. Is there anything else that we need to discuss now?" 

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"I don't think so."

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Leareth nods. "Vanyel, we meet in two candlemarks."

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"...Er, yes." 

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Leareth turns to walk away, and the portal goes blank. 

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"Vanyel, how far do you want your shuttle and in what direction?"

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"Hmm, just a minute, I need a– oh, right." Vanyel goes to his conjured travel-pack and digs around, coming up with a map, which he unfolds. "Edge of the Forst Reach holding is here, that's about five miles. Should be a nice big meadow right about...here." He indicates a spot on the map. "'Fandes and I can ride there without much trouble. Does that work?" 

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"Is there any substantial difference in altitude between there and where your door is?"

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"I don't think so? Hmm. I'll do a quick Farsight check." Vanyel closes his eyes and goes silent for a minute or so. "...It's a bit downhill from here, I'm pretty sure. Not a huge difference though." 

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"More or less than fifty feet grade."

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"Fairly sure it's less." 

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"Cool."

Five miles away in the chosen direction, fifty feet up, it gets foggy gradually, and then there's a shuttle, which lands itself neatly in the meadow. Cam displays this on his computer for Vanyel to see once there's a camera there.

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Deep breath, in and out. "We'd...better go, then." 

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"I'll come with–"

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"No you will not, Lissa. Cam needs you to hold the door. Also I can protect myself more easily than I can protect you as well. Not that I expect anything to go wrong, but..." He hugs her, and then steps back. "See you both in a few candlemarks, hopefully." 

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"Good luck. If you need anything on the way I can make stuff in the shuttle, it gives precise enough location data."

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"That's good to know, thank you." Vanyel glances around, seems to decide against bringing anything with him. "Let's go, 'Fandes, should have time to swing by the stable and grab your tack." 

And the two of them slip out. 

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Lissa sits down with her back against the door, hugging her knees. "I shouldn't be nervous. It's going to be fine, right? ...I'm so nervous." 

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"Yeah, me too. Even if it's going to be fine it's really big, that's stressful."

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Lissa lets out a shaky breath. "...I guess that makes sense. I was about to say, probably you're not stressed because you've got insane power and Leareth can't do anything to you, but...it doesn't really work like that, does it?" 

She leans her back against the door for a while, staring vaguely out at the empty courtyard. 

"I'm glad Van found the door," she says finally. "Even if he did ruin my vacation. Again." Heavy sigh. "Gods, though, I hate the waiting part. I've always been terrible at waiting." 

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"Well, if you want to pass the time feeding my computer more vocabulary it would be better at speaking Valdemaran for it."

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"I can totally do that! It was fun last time."

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He can set her up again.

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Lissa sits and plays with the computer and manages to stay reasonably cheerful and distracted for a while. 

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Cam waits for Vanyel to board the shuttle, and then when he and Yfandes are ready pilot it to the meeting location.

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The shuttle can go quite fast, though Cam does slow it down so the clouds look realistic as possible, blooming from existing formations in a reasonably naturalistic way.

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Vanyel is still going to get there with some time to spare before the two-candlemark deadline. He elects to stay in the shuttle for now, and keeps himself very thoroughly shielded, since presumably Leareth is going to arrive via a Gate. 

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"Do you want any stuff? I can make stuff in there."

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"Um, thank you, I can't think of anything in particular that I need yet." 

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"If you wanted a book or snacks or something."

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"Oh. Hmm. That's thoughtful of you. I've got my notes to read over, but...maybe a cup of coffee, if you can do that?" He's still too tense to particularly want to eat. 

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A thermos of coffee settles to the floor of the shuttle.

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Vanyel sips from it and waits. 

–And then there's a sudden burst of light, which will be visible to Cam's cameras, and even though he's ready for it, Vanyel flinches and moans audibly as he grabs for Yfandes. The light grows to form the shape of a doorway. 

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It doesn't take long. The Gate is up and then a figure steps through and then it's down. If Leareth is at all surprised by the appearance of the shuttle, he neither says anything about it nor shows it on his face. 

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Vanyel takes a minute to catch his breath and then disembarks with Yfandes. "Leareth." 

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"Herald Vanyel." A slight dip of his chin. "I suppose we ought to complete the formalities now." 

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"Right." Truth spell. A bright blue halo appears around Leareth's hairline. "I want you to say these words, er," Vanyel fumbles a bit with the piece of paper, "'I intend no harm to Vanyel, to Cam, or to either of their projects or goals, I have no reason to expect that I will in future..." He goes through all of the specifications and loopholes that he and Cam worked out. 

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Cam double checks against his copy.

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It's all there. 

Leareth repeats the words without any stumbles, even though it's quite a few sentences in a row, and makes a few additions. The blue light doesn't falter when he states that he has been telling the truth about his motives, in talking to Vanyel all these years – and, he adds with a faint smile, about everything else, he'll admit to lies of omission and occasionally stating true facts in a possibly-misleading way, but not outright falsehoods. He's hoping to help Cam with his specific problem, he doesn't have a hidden agenda or plans that involve working behind their backs; though, he jumps in, he does have the overt agenda of hoping to earn some goodwill from Cam and, perhaps, help with his own problems. 

He has no reason to expect his intentions to change; he does think he could tell if his past self or some accomplice had placed a compulsion to hide something (which, he adds, seems unlikely in the extreme given his feelings toward altering his own mind, which are 'strongly against'); in fact, he has a procedure for checking such things; he checks; he does not detect any such compulsions. 

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And Vanyel glances back at the shuttle and camera. "...Cam, are you comfortable moving to the next bit...?" 

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"Yeah, everything seems in order."

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"All right." Deep breath. "Leareth, there's a - resource - that we would be granting you access to, if you agree to help and we accept that offer. It would be of, um, kind of indescribable value to your plans, whether or not you get advice from Cam personally. Among other things, it would give you the ability to work while time isn't passing in Valdemar, and access to a very extensive library." 

(Vanyel is shielding as tightly as he can and with an additional layer from Yfandes, he's very close to certain that he would notice an attempted probe, and just in case he's managing to keep his mind away from other properties such as the 'where' and 'how' of access. Paranoia is exhausting.) 

"But. The condition we need you to agree to, to be comfortable offering this, is that you make a binding oath now, still under Truth Spell, to leave if either Cam or I asks. And same deal as the previous statement; you have no expectations of changing your mind and you're not using a method of self-deception such as compulsions as a cheat to pass the test." He lifts his eyebrows slightly. "I don't think it would come as a surprise to you, if we did end up asking you to leave; it would be because we weren't comfortable with how you were using the resource, and I, at least, can promise I would have a conversation with you and try asking you to cut it out first."

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Leareth is giving him a very speculative look. He's also - not showing that much visible fatigue, but his posture isn't as straight and he's planted his feet in a wider stance, like staying upright is costing him some effort. 

After thirty seconds of thought, he nods. "Herald Vanyel, I vow to you that I will depart peacefully at the request of either..." He goes through all of the conditions. A little more slowly this time, with some pauses as though catching his breath. 

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"That's the whole checklist." He is tempted to ask 'are you guys okay' but decides against.

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"All right." Vanyel is trying hard to ignore his stupid headache from the Gate; he would ask Cam to materialize some painkillers for him in the shuttle, but he feels self-conscious about doing that in front of Leareth. "We can - go, now."

(It keeps feeling incredibly surreal. He's standing not that many yards away from Leareth in the flesh, who he spent a decade convinced he was going to die fighting, and– he isn't surprised, exactly, that Leareth passed everything on the checklist, it already seemed near-certain based on the information he's learned recently, but his hindbrain hasn't really caught up.) 

...Oh, right, illusion. "Leareth, question. We're going to get in that," he points, "and fly somewhere, but I'd like to avoid being conspicuous. Cam can do clouds while we're up in the air, but I wondered if you've got an illusion technique that doesn't leak a magical signature, that I could get you to cast to conceal our descent."

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"Ready when you are."

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Vanyel ushers Leareth into the shuttle, and sits down without speaking. He waits until Leareth is sitting as well and Yfandes is comfortably on the floor at his feet. "Ready." 

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The shuttle door closes. The shuttle rises. "None of you," he says, "would get a joke about airplane food, it's tragic."

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"...What is an airplane?" 

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"A primitive version of a vehicle like this. A combination of their air pressure maintenance mechanisms and economics meant that food served on them during long flights tended to be pretty bad. By contrast if any of you is hungry I can just materialize some food at you and it will be great."

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"I would appreciate food but I also do not mind waiting for our arrival, if that is more convenient." 

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"Uh, it's slightly more convenient in the sense that at this distance I'd want to appear the food in midair for margin of error reasons and would need to pick a food that can be safely dropped a few inches so you wouldn't be getting soup. Otherwise not really."

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Silent thinking for a bit. 

"In that case, I will accept the offer of food that is not soup. I am not fussy." 

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"Coming right up." Cam consults Bar about painkillers and drops a little packet and a bottle of water in front of Vanyel. Leareth can have a turkey club wrapped in paper so it doesn't fall apart when it drops.

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Vanyel swallows the painkillers, and decides that, while awkward silence is awkward, he really doesn't have it in him to make conversation right now. 

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It is sure a cloudy day between points A and B. Eventually he announces the landing.

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"A moment, please." Leareth closes his eyes and concentrates. 

–The exterior of the shuttle vanishes, showing an apparently ordinary sky where it used to be. There is any magical leakage, but mainly toward the 'inside' of the illusion, and even that is only apparent at less than a yard's distance. 

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"You done?" Cam asks, not having a view outside the shuttle.

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“...I am now.”

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Yfandes catches up and now all three of them are in. “Don’t think anyone saw us,” Vanyel says tightly. “Should we wait while you fly the shuttle somewhere else, or close the door.”

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"Shuttle's on its way up. Should no longer be visible from the surface."

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"Welcome to Milliways."

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“Hi Leareth! I’m Van’s sister Lissa and I’ve heard a bunch about you!”

(Lissa cannot help but notice that, in addition to everything else, Leareth is reasonably attractive in person.)

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Leareth nods politely. “My pleasure. And, Cam, thank you for the invitation here.” He glances around, spots the couches and bar area. “I do have more questions, however, I would like to sit down first.” He doesn’t wait for acknowledgement before heading off couch-ward.

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"Yeah, we've got all the time in the world, no rush."

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"A useful property for a place to have. I see why this is something you wished to be cautious about sharing." He looks over at Vanyel. "I expect I have not received the full report on Milliways from Vanyel. Do you have a brief summary?" 

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"This is an interdimensional bar. The bar is a person named Bar; she does not control the door, which assumes the location of ordinary doors in various worlds at idiosyncratic times. Typically, while the door is closed, time is paused in all worlds belonging to persons in the establishment. Non-interacting locations in the establishment may also experience different rates of time. There is a security office and an infirmary which are both via causality shenanigans guaranteed to be sufficient to perform their functions for whoever happens to be here. Bar can sell medium sized nonliving nonmagical nonweapon objects and in particular has all of the published books from anywhere ever. There is also a backyard. With a giant squid."

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...Which is enough to produce an actual visible expression of surprise, as well as a fleeting hungry glance at Bar, on the phrase 'all of the published books from anywhere ever', that hints that the only factors holding Leareth back from instantly buying several million books are politeness, monetary limitations, and the fact that it requires standing up. The giant squid is anticlimactic in comparison. 

"I see. Do you know why the interdimensional link between worlds happens to take this particular form?" 

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"I don't know and Bar doesn't either. I do think the details of the form vary sometimes if she needs to accommodate, like, aquatic species or whatever, which she has hinted sometimes happens."

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"Fascinating. How many different worlds have visitors here currently? If you were to open the door instead of Vanyel or Lissa, would it open to your world rather than ours?" 

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"She won't tell me for patron privacy reasons. It would open to the world where I was when I found my door, which is not my native one or the one where I live when I'm at home."

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"Ah. Is it the world where your dead that you would like resurrected are located?" 

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"Yeah. Though not on the same planet. The planet my door opens to is the replacement planet I made."

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"What a useful power you have." Leareth falls silent, thinks for a bit. "If you did not reach that world via this place, how did you come to be there?" 

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"Members of my species and two other similar ones can be summoned. Usually to a world with humans, but by some freak accident I happened to be summoned instead to Arda without the usual precautions and safeties guaranteeing my restricted behavior."

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"I see." A slightly raised eyebrow. "It makes sense that humans would be more willing to call on beings of your power level for aid with such security in place. I imagine that if you had had the usual safeties, you would not have been able to destroy a planet and everyone on it in order to end the war?" 

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"Right. Not unless my summoner disabled the safeties. He's a little boy, yea high -" Cam gestures at about the height of a human eight or nine year old. "He - doesn't know anything about how the war went. I can't risk going and getting him and his family out of their hiding place till it's okay if he dismisses me."

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“I see. Time is paused in Arda currently, correct?”

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"Yeah."

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"Then I hope that I might help repair the damage enough that your presence is no longer necessary." Leareth bows his head for a moment. "Since we are not rushed, however, it might be wise if I rested rather than begin immediately. I have just Gated nearly five hundred miles and I am somewhat tired." 

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"Bar can get you a room key. She accepts counterfeit, I'll cover it."

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Vanyel lets himself slump back against the couch where he's sitting. "...That went shockingly smoothly." And was still exhausting, even if the medication from Bar helped with the worst of the feeling-terrified in the moment. "Er, any new thoughts?" 

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"I don't really have context on whether that's a normal amount of tired from the gate."

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"...Honestly, he walked in here on his own feet and had a conversation for a few minutes, that's shockingly not tired. I'd be," not conscious, "in much worse shape. Savil's a better example, I have - problems with Gates - but she'd struggle with that distance at all, and Leareth was doing something additional. He didn't have a threshold to build it on and he's never been here before; until recently I would've said that was impossible, and I bet it's less efficient." 

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"How does a threshold help?"

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"I don't think I completely understand the theory, but, um – it's roughly because magic in our world doesn't give us much for free, the way your power does. You have to sort of tell it what to do, with concentration and will. Building a Gate onto a doorway gives you some existing structure to hang the magic off? And even more so if it's a stone arch that's been used to build a lot of Gates before, not sure why but it must somehow make the stone more prepared to hold the Gate-energy. Anyway, the usual method is to build the starting point threshold from an existing doorway, then hold a destination clearly in mind that has its own archway, and the spell sort of snaps to completion when it finds the location you want – like it's duplicating the structure you already built onto the other end. But if you don't have a doorway at the other end then I don't know what happens." 

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"Huh. I don't have a good intuition for how your magic behaves at all."

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"I've got intuitions, I guess. A good theory of all of it? Not so much. Leareth's worked on that." 

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"What I'd really like would be enough intuition to have a workable number of moving parts in play when making guesses and extrapolations, and a good theory of it to check that against after pruning for stuff with potential."

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“That makes sense. Hmm - what’s most confusing to you about it right now?”

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"How it does information handling. Like - 'threshold' isn't a conjurable parameter. I have an intuition for what things are conjurable parameters and it is clearly different from what your magic cares about."

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"...Huh. Bouncing that off my intuitions, I think maybe it's not the magic that cares? I think it's like I said, the magic has to be told what to do, but mages care about doorways and thresholds. I mean, there is a sort of stability that snaps into place once you have a complete threshold, but that's more like the way cloth is more stable than loose threads. It's the same sort of click as for completing a shield. But you have to hold all of it in your head, the departure-point and the search and where the other end goes, and...I bet it's a massive concentration-aid to just be able to point at the surface of a solid object and say 'the magic goes there', both at the departure and destination points. I'm not sure I even have a good enough visual imagination to hold just the concept of an archway in my head that way." He stops, frowns. "Does that make sense?"  

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"Yeah, that makes sense. So being able to do it without a threshold would just imply being able to think of it without a threshold, essentially."

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"If I'm right, yes. We should ask Leareth once he's back." 

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"Which could be at any moment! Or in a thousand years! Fortunately I have his room number if it starts to look like a thousand years."

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Vanyel chuckles. "Does that ever happen - time passing slower in the rooms? Seems like so far it's always been more convenient the other way." 

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"I am not aware of a reason it cannot but it does seem to be convenient for us so far."

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Nod. "Well, if goes longer than a usual full night's sleep, we could go knock or something. Did you have other questions about how magic behaves, in the meantime?" 

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"Do spirits come up in any context other than the truth spell? What is their deal?"

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"You can use them in a fight, fire-elementals in particular, but that isn't really part of the Heralds' school of magic, I just know how to banish them. Er, my understanding is that there are a bunch of other planes, with different physical laws but with mage-energy as a kind of universal fuel, and many of them have native inhabitants. They can perceive our plane, if only from some angles – that's how the vrondi work for the Truth Spell, they have an affinity for minds and can sense intent – and which can be summoned and given mage-construct bodies, the main case where I've seen that is Abyssal demons." 

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"Huh - what's the significance of the bodies being mage-constructs?"

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"I'm not sure! I think their actual bodies wouldn't be able to survive here, maybe. Just like ours can't survive there, but I think in some schools of magic, mages can project their minds to other planes." 

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"It sounds like the various schools of magic do not talk to each other much."

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"I guess not. A lot of them are really secretive – I know some things about Tayledras magic, for example, but in general they don't talk to outsiders at all." 

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"What's the stated rationale?"

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"Er, for the Tayledras it's that they have a sacred pact with their Goddess and lore from Her and they don't usually want strangers in the Pelagirs at all, much less learning their magic. For other schools... I mean, sometimes it's got to be political, or about holding onto power by keeping secret techniques. Rethwellan has a number of different mage-schools and I know almost nothing about them." 

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"What a shame. I mean, cutting edge stuff being secret is one thing but it's sad if all these magic styles are just developing or languishing in isolation."

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"...Does seem so. I'm guessing Leareth put a bunch of effort into finding out about lots of them, but also I doubt they made it easy." 

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"Well, maybe some of them were easier to get in on the ground floor and he has ongoing access somehow, or something. Or maybe there'll be a huge magical renaissance after we're done with whatever we're gonna do here."

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"That would be neat." Vanyel's lips tug into a smile. "Er, anywhere else your intuitions are confused about magic in my world?" 

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"It seems kind of - all over the place? But that's less a confusion and more an unfamiliarity."

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"Honestly, it's seemed that way to me too. Just a minute, I'm going to get something to eat now." 

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Leareth comes down a few minutes later, nods to both of them, sits. "...It is very restful, being in a place where time is not passing outside," he says after a beat. 

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"Yeah, I think so too."

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"In any case. Do you have questions, further explanations, or requests for me now?" 

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"I've been doing all my assigned reading, you probably have more questions than I do right now. Though I do want to know more about your homemade god plan."

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"I might answer your questions, then – though, I will note that I expect to revise my plan substantially. The corpus of 'every book written in every world across all time' will, I hope, contain some material relevant to creating a friendly god, or possibly on other methods of fighting or negotiating with gods on their level which I would end up preferring. Also, I have all the time I need to consider and process this information." Leareth ducks his head, wearing the closest thing so far to a real smile. "I am grateful for that." 

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"I think the most basic confusion I have is how you're convinced that the gods aren't how they are strictly because of being gods, so that a designed one wouldn't pick up the same traits. It seems like most of what you know about them is observational, and not from up close either. I'd be less skeptical of a plan to build an artificial god of the kind they have in Arda because those vary very widely on inspection, and it's possible to perform a close inspection."

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Leareth gets a very speculative look. "Interesting."

He thinks silently for a while, then turns back to Cam. "Speaking of my original plan: it does depend on my ability to closely inspect the new godlet at a stage where it is still possible to abort and begin again – or not, if it seems too risky. Also, it is possible to infer a great deal about our gods even by outside observation, and they do vary on the parameters that I care about. Within a certain range, possibly a smaller one than the gods of Arda; I predict that it is possible to vary outside this, but even if not, a god where every trait is pushed to the edge of the range that I prefer would improve the state of things greatly. For example, some gods are much more averse to change than others; they vary widely in the frequency and size of their interventions; some are more protective of the lives of mortals in their regions. Some care very strongly about certain specific outcomes, for example, the gods of the Haighlei region are absurdly protective of lifebonds in particular. Given all of that, I am reasonably confident that it is possible to create a much better god, and very confident that I would be able to confirm or discomfirm this early in the process." 

"There are certain traits that I do think are bound into their nature as gods, which any god I create is likely to have as well. Being cryptic, for example. This is inconvenient but tolerable; however, if other worlds have less irritatingly cryptic gods, that would be useful to know more about." 

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"If they're cryptic by nature, how will you inspect the baby one? The Valar weren't exactly cryptic and I had apparently non-cryptic interactions with some Maiar. Unless you want to call 'being a dog' or 'being a huge creep' or 'speaking via proxy through the forcefield surrounding her country' forms of crypticism."

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"My understanding is that the cryptic nature of our gods comes from their ability to perceive all of the planes at once, as well as a vast number of possible futures diverging from any moment in time; this is not something they can explain non-cryptically to mortals. My world contains many kinds of being, including ones at various places on a scale from 'mortal human' to 'god', and the crypticness also scales with the total power, how close a being is to being a full god. I have observed cases of beings becoming more powerful over time – not the full process from creation to god-power, but snippets of it. I can draw inferences from which traits changed versus not with this transition. In summary, I expect that a baby god will be much less cryptic, and that many of the traits possible to verify at that point would persist to later stages. I am, however, very interested in learning things here that would make me more – or less – certain of this." 

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"What are examples of intermediate beings, or ones in transition?"

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Leareth can tell the story of Tekhralsh, an unusually powerful Abyssal demon summoned by accident by an unwary mage about eleven hundred years earlier, in a country far to the southeast of Valdemar. Most Abyssal demons aren't smart enough to have a preference one way or the other about being summoned; the few that are more intelligent tend to want to go home. Tekhralsh, though, apparently saw an opportunity to gain power by straddling the two planes, and managed, by performing a few 'miracles', to gain a cult following as a god in a small city. He then arranged a tradition of human sacrifice to fuel his ascent to actual godhood. He started out significantly more powerful than any human Adept, and made it somewhere past the overall power level of a Tayledras Heartstone before a religious order, likely prompted by their own local god, managed to banish him back to the Abyssal Plane. 

 

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"Gosh. Was he unusually bad as they go?"

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"I would say so, yes. The only full god that I know of who is anywhere near that bloodthirsty is local to a small coastal region in the far south." 

Leareth can give a few other examples of already-powerful extraplanar beings ascending closer to godhood, including one that he thinks crossed the threshold to full godhood and is still around in the east. He also has a few case studies of beings that started out mortal and became...more. In those cases, they usually did end up with substantially altered goals and values. 

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"Which you believe to be through the mechanism of foresight?"

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"Well, in several of the cases the change only happened as a result of an existing god choosing to help. The sword called Need is an interesting case; she was a human mage a very long time ago, long enough that there are no actual records of her origins. From what I can piece together, she prayed to a certain set of gods who are - no longer extant - and was granted the answer to a specific prayer, which was to save some captive women and avenge some other dead women. She is still around, thousands of years later, and – approximately the only thing that she does or cares about is rescuing or avenging women." 

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"What, uh, sorts of things make gods cease to be extant?"

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"Very few. In this case, a...war...which ended when a mage-weapon was used that should not have been, and it combined badly with some other conditions and nearly destroyed all life on the planet. It was about eighteen hundred years ago." 

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"Ah."

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"...In the interest of full disclosure, it was to some extent my fault." Leareth frowns. "In my defence, I did not start the war. I was also not aware that my former teacher, who did start the war against my kingdom, had built world-destroying weapons and kept them in the basement of his fortress. Also I was very young." 

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"Not really the thing I was thinking about but good to know."

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"What is the thing you were thinking about?" 

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"Uh, the time I destroyed a planet. It's on my mind a lot."

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"That makes sense. I would apologize for reminding you but, well, that does not seem like the appropriate response here. You believed it to be the best or only path available to you at the time. While I do not have enough information to judge if you were correct, it is plausible to me that you were. In any case, I very much hope that I can help to mitigate the damage done, and that someday it will be repaired enough to no longer be so often on your mind." 

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"That's the idea, I'm not planning to leave here till I have something good enough."

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"Then I will gladly try to see if our world's magic offers something good enough for your problem before delving into my own. Did you have any other questions for me before I move on to asking questions about Arda?" 

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"I want to find out if you can use a mindless body for your power source."

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"Oh. Interesting. Is a mindless body something that your power can create?" 

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"Yes. I can't create bodies with minds, actually, the intelligence level of maker-created organisms tops out around 'bugs'. Humans route so much of their metabolism through the brain that a created human is even less functional than a created animal of any other kind."

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"I find myself very curious why that is a limitation. I am not sure it is relevant, though." 

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"Much ink has been spilled and nobody knows."

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Leareth nods. "Based on my theoretical understanding of blood-magic, I would be somewhat surprised if a non-sentient body worked, but I certainly do not object to trying." 

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"Hey, Bar, is killing a non-sapient human body against the establishment rules?"

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No, although if you are mistaken that will be.

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"May I leave a note for Alassëo with you in case I am kicked out of the bar that you can give him with his next meal?"

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Of course.

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Cam composes the note on his computer, conjures it onto a napkin of its own, and gives it to Bar.

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"...Cam, um, I feel really uncomfortable about you risking getting kicked out. If there's any risk. Are you really sure this won't count?" 

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"I assume to do the experiment Leareth has to kill it, not me. If I have to kill it I can drag it out back first. If somehow I wind up in violation of bar rules it is likely that I will do time in a Security cell rather than be evicted on a first offense, especially since Nechar can resurrect the dead. If basement dwellers are people that is actually really important information. And Alassëo is here to maintain access. I would still rather not be kicked out but the experiment seems important."

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Lissa is making a face. "Where did they get the name 'basement dwellers'?" 

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"If one is going to keep them around one stashes them in the basement so they don't disturb guests."

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Lissa stifles a giggle. "Fair enough." 

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"I would normally do the killing, yes," Leareth says calmly, "although that part is not mandatory, I would just need to be present. If out back is safer, then I would prefer that as well." Pause. "Also. Which world does he come from that has resurrection magic? I have been trying to invent that for centuries and it currently seems impossible in our world without the aid of a god." 

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"It won't work except in Milliways or his own world, I checked."

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"Unfortunate." Leareth doesn't seem surprised. "Shall we try it now?" 

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"Backyard's this way."

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Leareth follows Cam. 

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Vanyel trails after them, looking pretty reluctant. (Lissa, for her part, seems intrigued or even excited.) 

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"If anybody cares what the basement dweller looks like..."

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"Like, which person they look like?" 

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"If there's someone you want to watch die then sure but mostly I was expecting to be told to avoid features that'd make 'em look like anyone you know."

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Lissa glances over at Vanyel. "Probably not anyone blond. Or who looks much like any of us, I guess." 

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Cam makes a basement dweller of a darker ethnic group.

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It successfully doesn't look like any specific person Lissa's ever known, and also... "Ack. I see why you said the thing about not bothering guests. That's so creepy."

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Leareth steps closer to examine the basement dweller. "How odd. Life-force, normal, but no mind at all. Even a human fetus has a detectable mind." 

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"- really? From how early?"

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“Usually by two months into the pregnancy. Note that there is no content to the mind at this point, certainly no thoughts or emotions, but it begins to register to a sensitive Thoughtsenser as something there at all, separate from the mother. The life-force can be sensed as distinct even sooner than that, by a skilled Healer.”

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"Oh, okay, a maker-instantiated pregnancy develops normally if it's made before five to six weeks along, but not later, I was wondering if there was any overlap."

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"It could be. Six weeks is at the earlier end for reports I have heard; it might be that it requires an unusually strong Thoughtsenser to pick out, and the sensitivity of that Gift has not been studied as extensively as mage-gift, so it is more difficult to calibrate." 

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"Bit of a rabbithole though."

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Leareth nods. "I will run the test, then. Fortunately, I do not actually need to spill blood in order for it to work. I imagine you would prefer less mess." 

He lifts his hands and - does something - and, shortly, the body on the ground is not alive anymore.

Leareth frowns. "Unfortunately, no, that did not work. Though I also did not observe the life-force dissipate in the usual pattern that would indicate energy release to the Void – even simple animals have this, in our world, I have not tested it for insects but usually that part would depend on weight and not intelligence. It would be interesting if blood-magic does not work in Milliways at all. Not that I am much inclined to run the obvious test." 

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"If it's ever important to know in a hurry we can ask an Elf because I can fix those, or anybody who wants to let Nechar try putting them to rights, but it is not in fact urgent."

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"No," Leareth agrees. "Shall we?" He gestures at the door back inside.

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They shall. Cam torches the body on the way.

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Leareth returns to his previous seat. "So, I received a somewhat fragmentary report from Vanyel on your Maiar. I would like to hear some more details about their nature and the details of their deaths. I do not mind reading this background if you would prefer that to explaining it." 

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"I don't have a good reference ready to hand. Maiar are magical beings; they can operate bodies but don't have to and need to do all their biological processes manually. You can think of them as sort of like an area of space they control the contents of. They can move, though, it's not a fixed area. They have magical powers, and vary in exact sort and scope of those - one's queen of a country and has it enclosed in a force field, though it's possible that's a one-off technological thing, one is very good at illusions, one prefers to spend all his time acting exactly like a dog but does have the standard issue communicative telepathy that the Elves duplicate with machinery they grow in their heads in a feat of inexplicable biology. Uh, and they died because I destroyed the planet with a black hole, that being a lot of matter very close together sufficient to generate enough gravitational pull to collapse the planet. I... took video, not because I had any specific reason to expect that to ever be useful but because one can't go back and do it later if there turns out to be one. If you want to see."

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Leareth blinks. "Can you clarify what you mean by 'took video'? I am not sure how the translation effect here works, but I suspect you are referring to a concept that we lack a term for." 

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"Oh - yeah, sorry, the translation's easy to forget. Uh -" Cam pulls up a completely unrelated video of a cat jumping into a box, plays that on his computer.

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Lissa leans in to watch as well, giggles. "That's adorable!"

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"A captured moving-image of the past, then," Leareth says. "I am not sure what precisely I expect to learn either, but it could be useful to see your record of the event." 

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Cam pulls it up. He doesn't watch.

In the video, a gorgeous blue-green-white sphere crumples into a dark point.

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Leareth watches it in silence, and stays silent for a while after it ends. 

"Certainly anything made of matter would have been torn apart," he says levelly. "The Maiar, however, are not made of matter, correct? And this was a purely physical, not magical, process. Is it possible even in theory to entirely destroy a Maia by physically disrupting its area of control?" 

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"I don't know. The deal I had going was that Melkor had to hold his end up if I followed through even if for some reason it didn't work, but he expected it to work. His principal target seemed to be the Valar, who I think work the same way."

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"...Unfortunately, the obvious test would be asking a surviving Maia if you can attempt to murder them in this fashion, which I imagine you are not comfortable with. However, if the Maiar were intact, and simply trapped, then - perhaps they could be extracted?" A slow, deliberate shrug. "I imagine that Melkor's goals would equally have been served by permanently trapping them as by destroying them." 

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"I agree. I don't have a way to get them out - there are daeva whose power is moving things the way mine is making them, but the Maiar aren't things in the right way, I believe."

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"Do daeva have a limitation around magic?" Leareth is frowning. "There is a way in which something made purely of magic – a shield, for example – is a 'thing' to a mage, but not to the un-Gifted." 

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"Uh, I don't think fairies do, since a fairy can move another fairy pretty trivially and fairies themselves are magic. But are still concrete objects that are at least pretending to be made of atoms. But I can't make magical things, and I'm not sure about angels."

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“I see. Our magic can definitely locate objects or entities that are magical but lack a material form. Summoning extraplanar entities could be considered comparable. Of course, I am not certain that Maiar would register to mage-senses or a search spell, since they are not of our world. How feasible would this be to test?”

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"The surviving Maiar are a five day journey away. Also I'm pretty sure they all at least one of hate me or are evil."

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"Reasonable, I suppose. Some of them are evil - what do you mean by that? What are their goals?" 

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"Worked for Melkor of the massive-scale torture and warmongering in various capacities."

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Nod. "And what are they doing nowadays? I am not sure whether to expect them to be relevant, or interfere in plans we carry out." 

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"The two nonevil ones I know about have respectively stopped participating in the operations of the country she's queen of so it doesn't have a forcefield any more, and been howling constantly to the dismay of everyone in earshot. The evil ones were covered by the oath I demanded of Melkor, I checked them all before I holed Valinor."

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"I see. Well, perhaps if we do need to speak to them, they will object less to Vanyel or myself. I suspect it makes sense to consider potential plans in detail here, first, before committing to a five-day journey away from this place. I have some fledgling ideas of how Valdemaran magic might be applied; it sounds as though you do as well. Your letter had mentioned my theoretical musings on modifications of the Gate spell?" 

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"Yeah, for getting them out of the hole. I'm pretty sure an angel removing the hole would not work because Melkor would've thought of that, my guess is they'd kill all the Ainur there more thoroughly in the process, so it'd have to work while there continues to be a black hole there."

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"I am guessing that raising an ordinary Gate to the inside of the black hole would not work?" Leareth's lips twitch. "Even if it were safe and in any way a good idea to attempt, which I assume it is not." 

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"It probably isn't but I'm not sure. What's the greatest distance ever Gated?"

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"About a thousand miles. That was starting from a permanent threshold, which has its own power source so does not drain the mage using it as much. I suspect greater distances are possible in theory, if there were places more than a thousand miles distant where it made sense to go, which in Velgarth there generally have not been." 

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"Then you might not have noticed stepping through the gate a change in the direction of gravity or how it applied through the gate; it'd be more conspicuous if you did about six times that distance at least."

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“I am not sure if this is comparable, however, it is possible to raise a Gate such that the two termini are perpendicular. This is not generally useful in practice, but, for example, one could jump down into a horizontally oriented Gate and emerge sideways from the more conventionally angled terminus. This is experienced as a change in the direction of gravity.”

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"But that change of gravity isn't propagated across?"

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“Not that I have ever remarked on, no. A difference in air pressure due to altitude is also not conveyed across as wind. Though it is also disorienting if one is crossing, and uncomfortable if the difference is significant.”

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"Then it might be safe, but I'd want to test it with a magnet-contained pinhole and the other end of the gate not near anyone before trying it on the Valinor hole."

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Leareth nods. "I agree, I would wish to confirm this with a test using as many precautions as possible. However, in the world where it does prove safe, there is still the problem of efficacy. Certainly it would not be safe for one of us to cross into the black hole to retrieve the Maiar, and it seems unclear that they would be able to cross on their own, even if their area-of-effect is usually mobile." 

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"Uh, a black hole can't hurt me, I just couldn't do anything useful once there."

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"Does 'anything useful' include getting out again?" 

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"I can do that too, actually, but it requires some rigmarole and abuse of my indestructibility and I've never done it so it might take a few tries."

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"...I confess, I am very curious how that would be done." 

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"I'm indestructible. I'm not invulnerable, I can get a papercut, but if you stabbed me with a sword it'd do about a papercut's worth of damage. So, near a black hole, I'd feel very heavy, and have a hard time moving around, but I wouldn't be in danger. And what counts as 'I' is somewhat controllable. The specific thing I'd do if I fell into a black hole would be I'd make a structure of keratin connected to one of my existing nails, surrounding the black hole and projecting out from it, until I was far enough away to get away by flying or something. Then I could disconnect the excess and it'd collapse into the black hole."

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"...I am not sure I fully understand how that would work, but I will take you at your word. Though this would only be useful in the case where you could observe while you were there and find out if the Maiar are alive and simply trapped, which may not be possible?" 

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"I wouldn't expect to be able to see them or anything. It's possibly worth trying if at some point we have a next step from there."

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Leareth nods, gets up, and asks Bar if she can make him some paper and a pen to keep notes. 

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"...Bar is the better pharmacist and librarian but I can do paper," Cam points out, while Bar provides.

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"Fair enough, I will keep it in mind for future." Leareth sits down again. "My thoughts from here have to do with the fact that I believe the Gate technique to be much more general that it might appear. You read the section on this?" 

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"I looked at it. I didn't absorb the theoretical magic stuff well, I lack experience to let me kind of test out models against my knowledge of reality."

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"That makes sense. I can explain my intuitions here, as best I can." 

"Starting with the Void. The various planes have different physical properties, including a property that one might compare to temperature or pressure. If a conduit is opened between two that is capable of channeling energy, it will flow from the 'hotter' to the 'cooler' plane, as water flows downhill. The Void, so far as I can tell, has a 'temperature' of...nothing. It is a very odd place; it contains mage-energy, in fact, energy moving in all of the planes will eventually drain to it, but it is too chaotic to contain matter in the usual sense. Space and distance between things also behave differently; I would not say that they do not exist, but the space between any two points in the Void is in constant flux, such that distant points regularly become close. This means that a search-spell routed through the Void can find the point there corresponding to a particular destination in the material plane, and can then temporarily pin the distance between those two points at zero within the Void, so that a threshold between them can be created. Does that make sense so far?" 

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"I... think so... but this is making me pessimistic about doing Valdemaran magic in any other world if it relies on access to these planes."

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"It would not take long to test, if you could briefly open the door to your world."

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"Maybe we can convince Nechar. I don't care to let excess time pass in mine. I'd have to explain it, for one thing."

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"...Do the people of Arda not know what you are working on here?" 

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"Since I found the door I haven't let any time pass there except for enough to get an Elf in here as emergency backup."

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"I see. Well, perhaps we can ask Nechar, then. It does seem a good idea to test it before we spend any more time considering theories." 

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"Yeah. This way." Cam shows Leareth to the security office.

"'Sup," says Nechar.

"Hey, can you open the door to your world? We -"

"Not on duty," says Nechar.

"Hm. Thanks anyway."

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Lissa, who trailed after them, looks disappointed. "Does he mean he's not on duty right now, or he won't do the door while he is on duty?" The main thing she's thinking right now is that Nechar is decently attractive, and maybe would be less like flirting with a rock wall than Cam. Leareth is still too intimidating. 

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Nechar is in fact as attractive as a person with total control over his appearance who has ever used this control but doesn't have a lot of time to field test it. "Won't do the door while on duty," Nechar says. "I can when there's somebody new in here."

"Would you mind swinging by when that happens to let us try something?" Cam asks.

"I can do that if you're around, I'm not going to go looking for you at the bottom of the lake."

"Super reasonable."

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Maybe Lissa will hang back and see if Nechar is willing to chat when he's on duty, it's not like she can understand any of what Leareth and Cam are talking about anyway. "Do people often spend time at the bottom of the lake here?" she asks. 

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"Sometimes, yeah, most people come through the door but sometimes somebody swims in and winds up in the lake."

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"Huh! How does that work - are they usually a species who live in the water all the time, or just people who happened to be going swimming, or what...?" She tries to gauge if Nechar actually looks interested in talking to her. 

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He doesn't seem to mind! "Usually it's an aquatic kind of person, but once it was some humans in a diving bell!"

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"Ooh, what's a diving bell? I've never heard of that." 

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He conjures up a little diving bell. "Like this. Keeps air in and water out so they can look at fish and stuff."

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"What a neat idea!" Lissa leans against the door of the security office, swinging her leg back and forth. "Anyway, what sort of world are you from?" 

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"My world's really nice! Everybody who wants to do magic can, but it's easier to do stuff nobody objects to, because everyone's kind of doing magic all the time and you have to push against them to do something they don't like. So it's way nicer than most of the places I hear about here."

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"Ooh! I bet it's nicer than my world, mine is kind of terrible." Lissa is going to keep making conversation, hopefully she'll spot a way to steer it into flirty territory soon – she's really not sure how to do that with people from other worlds, in a locale other than a tavern where everyone is drunk and generally there for the same thing. 

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"Yeah, but if you want a lot of magic, like me, you have to do magic all the time. That's why I like it here, I don't have to do that - Milliways stops my momentum. It doesn't go up but it doesn't go down either. So I can sleep eight hours in a row, or read a book."

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"What, really, you can't stop doing magic enough to sleep? You must never have any free time there! What sorts of books do you like reading here?" 

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"Oh, nah, I sleep, I just do it in chunks. Last one I read was this novel about people with no magic at all, on a farm, growing corn. It doesn't sound like much plot but they have no magic at all so things are horrible and there's a lot of drama about it."

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"Ooh, drama! Tell me more?" 

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He will summarize his book! The characters get sick and run out of candles and lose a sheep to a bobcat and have to put down an injured dog!

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It's surprisingly gripping! Though, Lissa has to admit, it's not very exotic for her, those kinds of things still happen a lot in her world. Even with magic. Only some of the people have magic and they can't be everywhere at once. 

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"See, that's sort of a more hopeful genre? Because somebody might come and fix it, even if they don't get to everybody. This is interesting because they know as soon as something bad happens that it's just going to be bad."

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Lissa frowns. "I mean, someone could have come in and fixed it. A nice neighbour could have given them candles or a new sheep, or medicines that aren't magic. It's just, people don't normally do that? If they've barely got enough for themselves. And - my world is like that too. Lots of places where someone could choose to be nice and come to the rescue, but it's almost certain no one will."

To her own surprise, her eyes are burning a bit. "...Then again, sometimes people do. Whether they've got magic or not. I fought in a war, recently, and once it was over I was helping repair the border regions – and, gods, it was awful out there but people were kind to their neighbours. Even when they had almost nothing themselves." 

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"My world's nicer to live in but maybe your world has people with more character, or something."

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Lissa drifts a bit further into the office. "Well, that's interesting, isn't it. What 'character' means. It sounds like in your world, it doesn't cost people to be kind, mostly, it benefits them personally." 

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"It still costs time? And if you're not trying to maintain high momentum it's not that useful to whoever's helping. But yeah, it's not the difference between having enough light or not."

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Lissa nods. 

"...What other fun activities do you miss out on back home because you can't stop doing magic?" she says. "I'm meant to be on vacation right now, only instead of doing vacation things I've mostly been trying to help Cam with his problem. But it seems like I'm not much use for the part they're on now, and I'd like to actually have some fun while my world is on pause." She points her best winning smile at him. 

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"I can do most stuff for a little while if I'm, like, floating or something at the same time. It's stuff that you want to be really focused on or relaxed during that I have to skip. I probably don't even know about all the stuff people who aren't sorcerers do for fun, honestly."

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Lissa drags her mind off the intriguing possibilities for things-that-might-be-done-while-floating. "Well, like dancing, which I find is best when you're relaxed. Do you dance?" 

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"I've never really tried it!"

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"Wanna give it a try? I've never taught someone to dance before but I bet it'd be fun." 

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"Sure, why not."

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Lissa glances around, gauging if the office has enough space for dancing. 

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It's not huge but there's enough length to it to go back and forth, enough width to twirl.

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"Well, then." She holds out her hands. "You start like this." 

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And meanwhile Leareth is back in the bar area with Cam. "Would it be at all informative to test it here, in Milliways?" he asks. 

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"Test doing magic? I know some of it works, Vanyel's done a little bit. I don't think it's very informative because Milliways clearly has very idiosyncratic rules about what does and doesn't work."

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"If you're going to test Gating, I'd appreciate a warning so I can be elsewhere," Vanyel says, a bit sourly. "Cam, do you think it's worth bouncing around ideas before we can test it, or should we just wait?" 

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"We should probably have a clear plan of what to do during the test so we don't waste Nechar's time."

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"If we are concerned that Gates in particular will not work elsewhere due to needing access to the Void, then a toy Gate demonstration would suffice," Leareth says. "I could step out and then raise a tiny Gate between two nearby thresholds, for example one in the palm of each hand – this ought not take long unless there is any complication in accessing the spell, in which case I would want to make several attempts before declaring that it does not work." 

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"Accessing it?"

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"It might be possible to Gate but require a slightly different technique due to the starting point being in another world. As a perhaps-comparable example, maintaining a Mindspeech link from under moving water requires a slightly different technique from the usual one." Leareth pauses, takes a very thoughtful look. "I wonder if one could Gate from there to Valdemar, since I have termini there. In fact, I wonder if I could Gate from here to Valdemar." 

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"Maybe! Might sync time. Vanyel, what's the current state of things past your door?"

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"...Sorry, what?" Vanyel refocuses on them. "Hmm, I can't remember what the status of the shuttle was but nobody was anywhere close to the door itself." 

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"So not a danger for short tests but it would be an expenditure of an unknown amount of undisturbed-area-around-the-door."

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"Sounds right. Not a high risk, necessarily, I'm pretty sure Savil didn't sense anything from the shuttle, and no one really uses the chapel anymore. But seems better to keep it short. Anyway, if you're going to test Gates, I'm going to go somewhere else. Bar - do you know if there's any kind of shielding in this place, such that magic used in here wouldn't affect the backyard or the rooms upstairs, for example?" 

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The rooms are in an undefined location relative to all other parts of the establishment when their doors are not open or directly observed and it is typical for that undefined location to be at a convenient distance for radius-limited effects, though it varies in for whom it is convenient.

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"All right, well, I'll hope for the best - can I get a room again, please?" 

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You may have the same one again.

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"Thank you." Vanyel will go upstairs to hide from the existence of a Gate. 

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"Do you want something to hang your gate on?"

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"Oh, of course, if you can easily make a threshold to use, that will save on energy. It does not have to be large, for a quick demonstration." He gestures at a size about a foot across. 

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Large embroidery hoop.

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Leareth thanks and takes him and holds the hoop, which starts to glow, and about thirty seconds there's a flash and then the inside of it clears to show the same cave where his image-device and the drone were, from a different angle. 

"Distant enough that the Gate-energy will not be detected in Valdemar," Leareth assures Cam. He peers through. "Well, that appears to work, and time does appear to be passing." A mage-light sent through shows dust-motes moving in the air. 

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"So it does. It'd be really interesting if you can do it between worlds neither of which is Milliways. Is that it, should I go tell Van we're done?"

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A moment's concentration and the Gate winks out. "Now I am done. And, yes, I would like to try it from Nechar's world to Velgarth as soon as he is off duty."

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Cam trots up the stairs to Vanyel's room and knocks.

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Vanyel pokes his head out. "Are you done? ...I didn't feel that at all, so I suppose it must be range equivalent to fifty miles, or else half a mile of solid rock in the way. That's generally what it would take for me not to feel a Gate." 

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"Convenient."

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"Very much so. Did it work?" 

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"Yup, he made a li'l gate to the cave from before."

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"Huh! What do we think that means for how magic works?" 

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"Mostly 'Milliways is weird', but it's worth trying gates between Nechar's world and yours, say. Oh, and maybe quicker messages to Endorë are possible if we want to talk to them about - Maiar or anything."

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Vanyel freezes midstep. "...Oh. Right. Would that work? Um, usually mages from my world can't Gate somewhere just from a picture of it, you need to have been there, I bet Leareth can do better but not clear he could Gate there if he hasn't been to your world before." 

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"He can go to the world, just not the planet."

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"Perhaps," Leareth says, from where he's waiting for them at the bottom of the stairs. "I can wait until I have tested it from Nechar's door, and then it might suffice if I attempted a small demonstration Gate from just outside your door and then obtained the destination from the memories of someone who has been there. That would be much more likely to work than merely a picture of it." 

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"Yeah. I don't want anybody fucking around with my brain but the Elves're accustomed to telepathy, I can ask Alassëo."

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"Understood." Leareth sits down. "Anything you wish to discuss while we wait?" 

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"How many gods are there, and what makes you think that adding just one, no matter what its agenda, will advance that agenda more than a drop in the bucket?"

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"There are many more people than gods, and yet a single person can still unite an empire." Leareth shakes his head, almost chuckling. "The powerful gods number about ten – the less powerful and more local, certainly no more than fifty. Initially a new god would not control more than a small empire, however, I believe that the equilibrium the current gods are in is not the only stable one, and adding a different incentive to that system could shift it considerably." 

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"The more different a person is from their would-be imperial people, the harder a time they'll have. Couldn't your god run into coordinated opposition? Even if they don't usually do that, you're already presupposing you can cause unusual effects."

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"I expect some opposition, yes. There are some interesting precedents here, if we look at case studies of beings that were very close to god-level power and ascended fully at a certain point. The takeaway from these is that while the existing pantheon of strong gods frequently make and break alliances between two or three of them, they do not seem capable of long-term coordination at all - long-term on the scale of centuries - and short-term only toward a simple goal." Leareth can suggest some supplementary reading material on these case studies and what inferences he's making from them, if Cam wants. 

"I believe that with the precautions I was planning to take," he adds, "and given that one of the few advantages of being human is being able to move faster than the gods when I choose, short-term coordinated opposition will not be sufficient to destroy my god, and in the longer term it will gain much more detailed intelligence than I possess on the relationships between existing gods, and work from there." Leareth has a much more detailed writeup of this as well. 

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Cam will pass the time reading the writeups.

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Vanyel, who's been awake for a while now and doesn't actually want to be around for the Gate-test whenever Nechar is on break, wanders off to get some sleep.

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Leareth skims through Vanyel's heap of Arda newspapers about the war. 

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Meanwhile, Nechar is a very graceful dancer and can also pick Lissa up as soon as informed this is on the menu of dance behaviors.

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Lissa laughs, delightedly. "You're good at this!" She's...not light. "Are you using magic or just that strong?" 

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"Uh, using magic to be that strong. I think it would not be very... dancey... if I used magic to pick you up."

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Now Lissa is curious what it would be like if he used magic to pick her up. 

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Sure, he can toss her into the air and leave her floating there.

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"This is so amazing!" Lissa will wiggle her limbs and pretend she's swimming in midair. "...All right, though, it's not very dancey. Can we dance and both be floating though?" She's never danced in midair before, it sounds interesting even if it might totally not work. 

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"Sure, why not." He can join her in the air and they can find the air solid where they plant their feet.

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This is incredibly fun! Lissa exclaims this fact every so often. 

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How about every time they take a step it sends off a cute little magic firework?

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Lissa can't stop giggling, this is possibly the coolest thing she has ever experienced. Nechar is great. She informs him of this as well. 

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"You're pretty great too!"

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Aww. 

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He has effectively infinite dancing stamina.

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Lissa is in pretty good shape but her stamina is not infinite. "...All right I need a break now," she admits finally. 

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He lets them settle to the floor. Appears her a cushy chair.

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Flop. "That was really great. I'm soooo thirsty." 

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He can get her a glass of water too! He's very convenient.

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“What are all the things you can do with magic?” Lissa asks. “Seems like you can do some of the same things as Cam and also a lot more things?”

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"I can basically do whatever I want. I don't have enough momentum to stop sleeping, but I can do most other stuff that comes to mind. Some of it doesn't work here though."

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“Huh, why not?”

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"Oh, like, Cam wanted me to try to bring back some dead people, but that doesn't work here, maybe it works in a way that needs me to be in the world where they died or something? And if I go to another world my momentum'll be gone."

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“And it won’t come back when you head back to yours? That’d be terrible.”

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"Yeah. So it's here and home, for me. But here is neat, I meet lots of people, read lots of books."

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“That’s something.” Lissa glances around. “Any idea when you get off shift? And do you stick around here or go home?”

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"I get off shift in another half an hour subjective, but your friends out there could miss you any time, could be weeks for them. I was going to help them with their thing and then probably knock off."

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"Aww. That's inconvenient but I guess it makes sense." 

Lissa...is not actually much better at reading people than her aunt. She can't tell if Nechar is interested or if he's trying to politely shoo her off. Fortunately, Lissa also has no shame whatsoever and doesn't particularly mind being rejected, she'll be disappointed but she won't take it personally. She can beat plenty of men in a swordfight and has the build to match, and some people are very into that but many aren't. 

"I don't mind heading off," she says, "that was really incredibly fun. Er, I have been trying to flirt with you. I don't know if that's obvious since we come from different worlds and all. You're great and I'd be interested in meeting up again and - taking it further - but it's fine if you're not." 

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"Oh! - believe it or not that hadn't occurred to me - I don't usually have time at home and people tend not to try to flirt with the security guy - yeah, I'm interested, once they're done with their thing."

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"Great! And, really? I would've thought being the security guy made you cool and badass. Anyway, I'd better go touch base with them, but - hug?" 

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"Lot of people never even come to check who's in here." Hug!

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Lissa beams and him and then goes back to check on the others. "Hi Cam!" She's in a very cheerful mood. "Progress?" 

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"Gates work Milliways-to-Velgarth."

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"Whoa, neat! Does that make time sync up again, or is it paused on the other end of the Gate because our door's closed?" She glances around. "Did Van go hide because you were Gating?" 

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"It makes time sync, and yes he did."

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"Huh, that could be useful if we want to leave again without making a fuss at my parents' house. Although I guess Van couldn't come." 

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"What is the nature of the gate allergy, anyway?"

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"...You know, I'm not exactly sure. It's because his Gifts were awakened by having a bunch of Gate-energy dumped on him, so he's sensitive to them? But I don't know how that works." 

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"Yeah I have no model of magical immune response or whatever."

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"Huh. I'm not sure Van does either." She glances over. "Hey, Leareth. Do you have any ideas about why Van might be allergic to Gates?" It occurs to her half a second later that possibly her brother doesn't want this discussed behind his back, but it's kind of too late now. 

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Leareth looks over from his newspapers. "Hmm. It is rather confusing to me, actually. Mage-energy is mage-energy; leakage from a Gate is recognizable as that and not another spell, but the energy channeled for it is the same. His channels alone ought not be able to tell the difference; that kind of recognition is trained in a mage's mind." 

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"Huh. Maybe a stress tension thing. Might be able to fix it."

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"Interesting. That is a plausible explanation. It would be worth testing that theory, and seeing if we can address it, especially as the current mission is likely to involve Gates." 

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"If he's cool with it, yeah."

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"I suppose we can ask after." Leareth goes back to reading his newspapers. 

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Nechar steps out. "Your new security guy is the mysterious nonverbal obsidian pillar, have fun with that. You ready for me to open the door?"

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Leareth rises. "In a moment, yes. Cam, is the plan that I simply attempt to Gate within the world at all – I could use a second of those hoops for that demonstration – and then to Velgarth?" 

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Cam makes another hoop. "I believe so."

"Door leads to my flying castle," says Nechar. "And I'll want you to be quick, when the door's open I start losing momentum and I can only do so much cloud art."

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Leareth steps out, takes five seconds to scan the area as though memorizing every interesting detail, and then holds the hoops at arms' length in front of him and concentrates. Frowns slightly. Shifts the hoops in his fingers. 

...A couple of minutes later, faint glow. "There," Leareth says, quietly satisfied. Thirty seconds later the little baby Gate is up. He peers through each hoop, tests it by floating a pebble from his pocket through. "Good." Gate vanishes. "Velgarth next?" 

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"You do you, man," says Nechar, who is concentrating on looking out his window and making clouds do bizarre things.

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It is pretty obvious that Leareth would really like to watch the clouds do bizarre things for a moment, and maybe ask questions about how it's done, but instead he hooks one of the hoops on his arm and holds up the other.

–This time, he gets the threshold almost immediately, but the next step seems to cause some difficulty. Tendrils of light flick out from the glowing circle, apparently at random. "A minute, please," Leareth says. "Search step is– something needs to be reevaluated. It might still work, I wish to try it longer." 

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"If you want a literal minute, fine, if you want longer than that you have to wait till I've been and gone running errands to get back what I'm losing doing you the favor in the first place," says Nechar, on edge. The clouds become stormy and begin to strike each other with colorful lightning.

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More like forty-five seconds later, the inside of the hoop flashes white and then clears to show the cave again. 

Leareth sticks his other hand through it to check, pulls it back, drops the Gate, and runs back through the open door. "Done." 

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Nechar forces the door shut quick with magic rather than letting it swing closed. "You're welcome."

"Thank you," says Cam.

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"That was an extremely valuable test," Leareth says, setting down the hoops. "I hope you did not lose too much to it." Glance over at Cam. "I ought to be able to manage it faster on a second try, if we wish to do it from your world." 

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"I'll probably have to explain what's going on and why I'm not doing dozens of reembodiments a minute at some point but I think I want to draft what I'll say in advance given the luxury of time," says Cam.

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"...huh," says Cam.

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"She did spend a good while talking to him before. I suppose they found that they get along." Leareth sits down. "Hmm. I think the fact that Gating works in Nechar's world is strong evidence it will also work in Arda, though I suppose that is not guaranteed. So it could make sense to at least discuss possible refinements on the Gate-spell here, before communicating with Arda." 

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"What sort of refinements do you mean?"

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"You have my writings on possible further uses of the Gate-spell, no? I - doubt that an ordinary blind Gate into the black hole is going to work to retrieve the Maiar, but there are hints that the search-spell built into Gate magic could be anchored on something other than a location – I know it can be done with objects or the magical signature of artifacts, but perhaps it can be stretched even further. For example, to anchor on a particular Maia. If that is possible, it seems a much better avenue to extract them." 

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"- it does, yeah. Uh, it's fairly important that you not accidentally get any Valar out. If you get even one, they're likely to be able to get the rest, and collectively they have the power to forbid summoning, and there are humans and also a species called Dwarves on Endorë, and they aren't backed up, and them being able to summon daeva is the only thing providing them with an afterlife setup, and the Valar had in reaction to my showing up made summoning not work in the entire world."

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Leareth nods. "That...is a complication. I assume that the Valar are fairly different, magically speaking, from the Maiar – however, I would wish to understand and test the properties of any modified Gate-spell very precisely, to be sure that one of the Valar would not end up piggybacking along." 

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"I don't think they actually are very different, just - bigger, stronger."

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"Inconveniently, I suppose the only Vala left for comparison is Melkor, and I highly doubt he would cooperate and assist us with tests." Leareth frowns. "Ideally, then, it would be possible to summon each Maia using some unique identifier, if that exists – this would be much slower than anchoring on all of them, but would minimize the risk of accidentally including a Vala. In any case, this is all very theoretical still; the spell we are discussing does not yet exist." 

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"What doesn't exist?" Vanyel appears at the bottom of the stairs. "Er, are you done testing with Nechar's door?" 

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"We are, both tests were successful. I don't know all the Maiar but the Elves will know some of them and those will probably know most of the rest, I don't know there to be any Maiar who weren't acquainted with anyone at all, though I can't rule it out."

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"To clarify," Leareth says, "this is relevant because I suspect that the search component of a Gate can be adjusted to anchor on a specific magical signature – for example, a given individual Maia – and either offer a direct path to them, or resolve as something resembling a summoning spell rather than a Gate per se. There is the case of a mage accidentally summoning an Adept to his own location when attempting a Gate without knowing its purpose; my theory for why it happened this way is that it was the lower-energy option, if that makes sense? A person is much smaller and more mobile than a location, and it might take less power to pull them through the Void rather than stabilizing a bridge between two places." 

Leareth turns to look at Vanyel. "Since any version of this is likely to involve Gates, it would seem to be of great value if we could mitigate your sensitivity to them. Cam and I were discussing what could be causing it, earlier, and Cam thought it might be fixable. Is this something you would be willing to work on?" 

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Vanyel blinks, startled. "Um." He drags a hand over his face. "I...guess so." He looks over at Cam. "...What were your ideas so far?" 

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"Uh, if I understand correctly, mage-energy is all the same thing and you can't be allergic to it, but you could have a stress reaction to identifying it as a gate. My medical training knows nothing whatthefuckever about magical channels, so if the stress reaction happens entirely locally to those, I don't think I can help you without knocking you unconscious or sedating you, but if it's a physically referred phenomenon we could maybe get somewhere with something like beta blockers or a light muscle relaxant."

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"Huh. I...never thought of it that way. But you're right, the energy itself can't be different. And it definitely does something to my mage-channels, I have horrible backlash afterward, but it's not just that – it messes with my head in general, the last time I had to do a Gate myself and cross it on short notice I was delirious for days. Supposedly. I usually don't remember it. It is a lot less bad if I'm drugged for it – not just at the time, it seems like it actually damages my channels less." Shrug. "I don't know why that happens. Lancir – he was the old Queen's Own – said I would be sensitive to Gates, because that's, um, how my Gifts happened." 

He looks down at the floor. "But he didn't explain it and I - wasn't curious. I hate thinking about the entire topic, I guess." 

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"I mean, that's super legit, and you didn't even have someone dispensing beta blockers to hand so it might have made the most sense at the time. But yeah, think of it like somebody clenching their teeth so hard they get a headache, that's what I'm imagining."

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"Makes sense." Vanyel grimaces. "Testing this is going to involve me doing a Gate, isn't it." 

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"I suspect it would make more sense to begin with exposure to a Gate," Leareth points out. "Perhaps from a significant distance. My understanding is that you are sensitive enough for this to be quite noticeable – and thus for improvements to be remarked on – without causing lasting damage." 

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"Yeah, even if there weren't potentially promising drugs that could work, I'm not a psychiatrist but I think that's how exposure therapy works."

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"And based on this theory, I'm guessing you think it'd help if I relax as much as I can and try not to be stressed? I don't know that it's ever occurred to me. It's not very intuitive – it'd feel like trying to relax when you're lifting a heavy box." 

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"Yeah, it'd be extremely counterintuitive if you have that bad a reaction. I think the general idea behind exposure therapy is, like, say someone is scared of spiders, you show them a picture of a spider and they look at it and nothing horrible happens, and you do that till the picture doesn't scare them, you have them look at a spider in a tank, ditto, you have them maybe actually poke somebody's pet tarantula, etcetera."

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Vanyel takes a deep breath. "All right. Should we try it? Cam, er, do you have any way of telling where the source of the problem is? Or did you just want to try it without and with drugs and see if that changes things?" 

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"I think doing undrugged exposure therapy will only be necessary if drugs happen not to work! It will be way faster to convince your subconscious that gates aren't dangerous if they physiologically cannot frighten you. I'm gonna do a panel on your blood and whatnot as of the time Leareth gated in - that would have done it, right - see if there's anything obvious so I'm not just guessing."

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"It should. Your maker power can just get my blood from the past like that?" 

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"Yes. I mean, I have to know when I'm grabbing from but I was - not there, but interacting with the situation, so just straightforwardly yes." He is doing things on a booth table with vials and weird slips of paper and spontaneously appearing machinery.

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Leareth watches him work, obviously intrigued but not interrupting. 

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"Beta blockers it is," remarks Cam eventually. "Bar, help me out on dosing him?"

Bar and Cam go back and forth a bit about exact substances and amounts and eventually Vanyel gets a bunch of little papers. "Stick 'em under your tongue, ideally give the gate a minute or two of leadtime. One by default, two for the worst third or so of cases especially if you don't have a chance to do it ahead of time, try not to wind up taking half a dozen in a day but honestly if you do the side effects aren't nearly as bad as being totally out of commission for days unless you get up to fifteen or something like that, basically just don't abuse them to become a professional gate making person except by completing your exposure therapy and no longer relying on drugs about it."

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Vanyel snorts. "I would've said no way, except that who knows, I might end up helping Leareth do half a million Gates in order to get Maiar. If you're right about the cause then I should be fine once my main association with Gates is 'interminable boredom' instead of 'horrible pain'." 

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Yfandes wanders up to them. :Van is pretty bad about taking too much of medicines because he forgets and loses track. What are the side effects, just in case I end up having to know what to look out for?: 

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"Bar recommended fancy ones without some of the usual side effects but given their actual mechanism of action there's no way around the possibility of poor circulation - cold extremities, fatigue, sometimes weight gain, he might faint."

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"I'll keep it in mind. If taking too much will make me feel tired then I would probably stop doing Gates at that point."

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:While I might wish that you were that sensible: Yfandes sends, wandering up, :I'm dubious. At least I'm around to prevent you from being an idiot: 

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"I still think that we ought to begin with a test from a significant distance," Leareth says. "If you want to take one now, I can run about a quarter-mile away in the backyard and we could start with that distance and see how it goes? Cam, does this seem an advisable plan to you?" 

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"Why are you asking me, it's his allergy. It's a good idea in theory if that's a good barely-noticeable distance for him."

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"I can feel it at all from a lot further away than that," Vanyel says. "If it's miles away it wouldn't hurt, I don't think, but – maybe you'd better get Yfandes to run you a full mile out, just for the first try." 

 

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Leareth raises his eyebrows. "Is Yfandes going to allow me to ride her?" 

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:Yes. Why not?: She heads toward the backyard door. :Come on: 

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Vanyel gets out one of his little papers and looks at it somewhat dubiously while Leareth retrieves his two embroidery hoops for demo Gates and mounts Yfandes. He shrugs, puts it under his tongue, and watches them ride out until they're barely visible.

"...All right, here we go." He rubs his hands together. "It'll be fine. Even if the drug doesn't do anything, a tiny Gate a mile away isn't that bad." He seems to be reassuring himself out loud more than talking to Cam. 

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"If it does wind up hurting you lastingly at all we can try, like, painkillers."

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"Oh, right, that's a thing." Vanyel frowns. "It might be doing something – I'm worrying about it but I'm not actually feeling nervous." 

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"Sounds about right!"

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The Gate is small enough and far enough away that the only indication when it goes up is Vanyel's sudden intake of breath. "–I'm fine," he says quickly. "It's - weird, I can tell it's a Gate and I keep expecting it to be bad and it isn't really? I could probably relax more." He takes a breath, lets it out, rolls his shoulders around. "...Still fine. Maybe I'll tell him to do another one a bit closer. How long does the drug last?" 

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"Bout half an hour. You might want to do a few but don't push your luck too hard, yeah?"

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"It's only been five minutes, I can fit in a few." He Mindspeaks to Yfandes. "All right, we're going to do a half mile. Also, Cam, you're brilliant. It didn't occur to me that this might be fixable, I was – I don't even know what I was planning, once I knew you thought Gates could fix your problem, I guess I thought I'd just be really miserable while we were working on it." 

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"We could have at least had you far away!"

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"I would've felt really bad about not helping." 

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"You're allergic! No, it's worse than that, you're so traumatized you spontaneously generated an allergy-like response that can incapacitate you for days!"

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"What? Look, it's a really stupid annoying problem and I've spent most of my life trying to ignore it, it's kind of a habit!" 

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"A stupid annoying problem you try to ignore that can incapacitate you for days? It's not exactly a knee that twinges when it's going to rain!"

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"It's only for days if I have to raise a Gate myself and go through it and I get unlucky or I was really tired going into it – one time I had to Gate back to Valdemar and fight a battle less than twelve candlemarks later and it was fine." 

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"Oh, well, that's clearly nothing then."

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:I heard that, Chosen: Yfandes sends to both of them, now visibly closer and still again. :It was NOT FINE. Also, quit it, you're supposed to be trying to relax. Are you sure you're up for trying another one?:

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Vanyel sighs. :Yes, 'Fandes, I will relax and I am up for trying another one: 

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Cam hangs out in case Vanyel needs analgesics.

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The glow of the Gate forming is close enough to be visible this time.

Simultaneously with it lighting up, Vanyel yelps and swears. The Gate vanishes instantly and Yfandes is galloping toward them. 

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Cam offers him a Bar-recommended pill for the pain.

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"...I think I'm all right now that it's down?" Vanyel accepts the pill anyway. "Gah. I don't know what I did wrong that time." 

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Yfandes reaches them; Leareth jumps down while she's still five yards away and catches himself with a burst of magic and jogs up. "Vanyel, are you all right?" 

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"I...think so? Bit shaken, but it doesn't actually hurt now." He grimaces. "I'm really tired? I don't know why, I wasn't doing much." 

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"You were having trauma reactions, they're exhausting, I go through more coffee these days."

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Vanyel sighs and turns to head back inside. "That doesn't actually get me much closer to being able to help you work on the spell, if I can handle a Gate a mile away but not half a mile away. Maybe we can work more on it later. And I guess I can talk through theory a bit." 

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"There are a million Maiar in the black hole, it would still help with efficiency if it took a solid month of steady work on your tolerance to get you up to helping. I think it's still worth it in expectation even if it only might get you there, they aren't going anywhere."

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"Right. That's true." Vanyel glances over at Leareth. "I guess you'll need my help more then, actually, it'll be really tedious otherwise." 

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Leareth smiles slightly. "I have a great deal of practice with tedious work and do not expect it to trouble me, but yes, your help would be appreciated. At the very least by the Maiar, who I am sure would prefer to wait half as long for all of their number to be freed." 

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"Yeah, and the Elves miss them too."

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Leareth glances over at Cam, seems to consider saying something, but instead goes back to the booth where he was sitting before and takes out a sheaf of notes. 

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Vanyel heads Bar-ward. "Oh - Leareth, have you been introduced to coffee yet? It's great." 

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"Coffee is pretty great," agrees Cam. He makes himself a caramel mocchiato.

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"Leareth, if 'tastes like dessert' works with your drink preferences, I'll get you the same one I'm having." Vanyel waits for acknowledgement and then asks Bar for two of the mochas. 

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Bar is good at mochas.

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Bar is also good at recommending pain medications, apparently; the ghost of maybe-a-headache-maybe-imagining-it is gone and Vanyel feels great. Even better once the first few sips of coffee are in him. He's almost tempted to try a regular Gate, just to see if he can manage it now without passing out, but the drug has probably worn off and he shouldn't take it again so soon and he's pretty sure Cam would yell at him anyway. Those were some extremely dubious looks he was getting earlier.  

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"...I think this is the same beverage as chava," Leareth says when Vanyel delivers him the mocha. "Well, not exactly the same preparation, but similar. They have it in Seejay." Very slight smirk. "This one, however, is much better. Thank you, Bar."

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Leareth carries the beverage back over to his booth and sits. 

"We had better not have Vanyel assist with any of the actual tests," he says, "however, we are still at the stage of discussing theory. It would be useful to know more about the properties of Maiar. Cam, would there be books published on this topic?" 

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"Probably some, yeah, I don't know how to find them but maybe Bar can. Bar, whaddaya got on Maiar - not like their biographies, them as a species -"

Bar gives him a selection and he totes it over.

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Vanyel drifts over to have a look as well. 

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Books for all who may desire books.

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Vanyel joins Leareth at the booth and they can both read up on Maiar. (It's a really weird feeling, sitting across a table from Leareth of all people, with books and notes like they're doing some sort of trainee study project together.) 

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Leareth will note down anything interesting that's known about Maiar, but he's particularly interested in things that hint at measurable magical properties. 

He is, unfortunately, mostly out of luck. Arda doesn't have anything that can directly perceive magic, the way Valdemaran Gift-senses can. He can get confirmation that Maiar are, basically, the area of space they control; there are some studies, like measurements of the of the radius controlled by a random sample of a thousand Maiar, but that doesn't directly tell him how they would interact with Valdemaran magic.

Also, he can at least predict that things are likely to get very confused once the areas of influence are all smushed into a single point. 

Eventually he can take his notes over to Cam. "We are definitely going to need to a spell that can anchor on a purely magical signature with no physical component. I can test that on magic from my world to develop the right technique, however, it is not guaranteed that Maiar will show up to my senses in the the expected way. So there is an argument to check that first before plowing in too much effort. What would you prefer?" 

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"I can prep something to tell the Elves and we can see if we have any Maia options on Endorë. Maybe they'll perk up enough to let you prod them if it might, uh, help."

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"Hopefully. It may be enough for me to glance at them, but probably their cooperation would be helpful." 

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Cam starts working on something he can read to his personnel. He goes upstairs to run it by Alassëo. He comes back down. "I can be ready to open my door whenever you are."

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Leareth has been going over what's presumably notes for potential Gate variants with Vanyel. "I would like to have something to eat," he says, standing. "I will be ready in five minutes." 

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"What do you want?"

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"The meal you made before with bread was rather good, I would be content with that or a variation. Vanyel, when did you last eat?" 

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"...Huh? I have no idea." 

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"You ought make one for Vanyel as well. Thank you." 

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Submarine sandwiches for everyone.

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Leareth eats quickly and then stands by the door; Vanyel takes the opportunity to flee to the backyard. 

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When the door to the yard is closed, Cam opens the front door. Steps through. Has Alassëo holding the door. Takes a deep breath and steps out the door of his little office thing, and starts murmuring to the Elves there softly, glancing at his draft now and then.

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Leareth nods to Alassëo and steps through, staying in the little office out of sight of the other Elves, and starts attempting to test the Gate-spell. He's guessing that Cam won't want to leave time passing any longer than necessary. 

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Cam does not seem thrilled about it. He finishes what he has to say, takes a couple Elf questions - Leareth can't understand him any more once neither of them is in Milliways - and then waits awkwardly for about four seconds and goes back to resurrecting Elves. The process insofar as it's visible to Leareth is to take a little piece of metal out of a large shiny machine, double-check his computer's content against the text on a screen on the machine, appear a labeled bag around the little piece of metal, repeat till he has a batch of five, go over to a big circular conveyor belt outside, dump each chip onto a sort of bed on the conveyor belt, check which way each is facing and flip over the one that landed wrong, and then make Elf bodies one after another around the chips and start the conveyor belt going so that if some of them take longer than twenty seconds to get out of bed when they get to the personnel Elves he doesn't have to slow down.

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Leareth hasn't gotten the Gate to work by the time Cam finishes speaking – at this point he's fairly sure it'll be possible, but he can't figure out the direction to reach for the Void. He lands it before Cam is done with the first batch, though, between the two embroidery hoops. That demonstration done, he drops it and tries for a Gate to the cave.

(Which, conveniently, lets him draw on the significant reservoir of node-energy conveniently nearby. It's not an issue doing tiny demonstration Gates in Milliways, but the inter-world ones are draining). 

"Cam, done," he says, loud enough to be heard, and slips back through the door. 

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Cam cannot understand the 'done' part but he figures it out. When the last Elf of the batch is waking up in bed he follows Leareth back into Milliways and nods at Alassëo, who closes the door again.

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"The language barrier will be a problem," Leareth says. "Is there any way to learn each other's tongues while we are here? Also, my Gates were successful. How did your conversation go?" 

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"Uh, it was... fine. I have a machine translation attempt for Valdemaran going, that would have worked with some error rate if we'd needed it."

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Nod. "Are they willing to have me attempt a Gate to Endorë from Alessëo's memories? It is unfortunate that I cannot have Vanyel's help for examining the Maiar, but it does seem like a very bad idea for him to cross a Gate now before working up to it gently, so I had better not ask and give him a chance to do it anyway." 

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"They agree that it would be prudent to consult the King and to seek further amelioration of the damage from the war."

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"Hmm. What would our next steps be for doing that?" 

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"Gate to Endorë. Talk to Maitimo, probably, figure out how to get his father the King on task instead of distracted by however many languages you know, I was warned not to tell him how many I speak. Get their help sourcing and analyzing Maiar."

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"...If this is going to be a long trip then I really would prefer to have Vanyel with us. Do you think that you could get him across a Gate safely by sedating him thoroughly enough? I think this would be worth it for a multi-day venture." 

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"Uh, probably but I wouldn't know without trying it."

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"I suppose we could try to test it with a smaller Gate at further range, so that if it does not work we can abort without causing him as much harm. What do you think?" 

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"Maybe we should get ready to, if a given level of sedation proves effective at the ranged test, immediately proceed with travel to Endorë, so I don't have to sedate him twice."

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"That makes sense." Leareth frowns. "Although, if this trip is going to be so involved, it might be preferable to put it off for a few days and see how quickly Vanyel can make progress on the Gate sensitivity. I had been envisioning it as a very quick visit. There is some progress I can make on the spell from here, so I do not think it would be wasted time, and time would of course not be passing in Arda at all. What would you prefer?" 

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"It's not a quick visit because the Maiar all hate me or are evil and I don't know the whereabouts of any where these can be overlooked. More exposure therapy seems like a good plan to me."

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"Of course. Do we know which room Vanyel is in so that I can tell him we are done the test?" 

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"He went to the backyard, not his room."

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"Ah, right. I will go find him then." 

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Vanyel is back with Leareth a few minutes later. He's content to wait on visiting Endorë until he's done a few more days of progressive Gate exposure and seen how much improvement he can reach; he's also willing to have Cam sedate him for the Gate-crossing if he's not at the point of doing that comfortably yet.

Given that he's the delaying factor on their departure, he's pretty impatient to try more Gate-exposure, and wants to do another round immediately. 

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"Uh, lemme look up best practices. How long were you out here subjective?"

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"Hmm. It felt like about twenty minutes that I was in the backyard, and before that – a couple hours that we were reading, I guess, after the last try." 

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"Journal of Modern Psych says no fewer than six sessions and their protocol says twice a week but we can probably squeeze that down by a factor of twooooo or so if you're in a hurry?"

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"...What, you mean I have to wait days?" 

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"...yes."

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"Why? Surely it'd go faster if I did it at least a couple of times a day." 

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"Do you get better at lifting weights faster if you do it for twelve hours in a row?"

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"Well, no. But that's different." Sigh. "Once a day?" 

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"I'm not a psychiatrist and I'm not really comfortable improvising."

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"Vanyel, in the absence of understanding how this practice was developed and why the suggested timing is twice a week, I think we ought not modify it too drastically. Cam, what was your source for that? I might do more research on it, I am curious anyway and I do not actually have several weeks' worth of Gate-development that can be done in isolation without a Maia to work with." 

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"Journal of Modern Psychology of the University of Utopia Planitia."

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"Could you make me a–" Leareth stops. "Hmm. Actually, might I request that you make one of your devices for reading things on where they are searchable? It seems very useful." 

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"The kind I have requires brain surgery."

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"I would prefer to avoid that – is there a less advanced type that does not require it?" 

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"Yes, but it's much less convenient and you have a steeper learning curve to operate it. - also by 'brain surgery' I mean 'me appearing a small object in your brain', but I'd hesitate to do this without some research first because I don't know if mages have weird brains."

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"I would not be surprised if we do but I am also unsure how you would research it. I doubt anything has been written about it in our world that Bar would have – our science for examining brains is not very advanced." 

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"Uh, naively I'd make a basement dweller mage - or a few - and do various scans and maybe dissections. It's possible Bar would know or that infirmary staff could spot me."

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"Fascinating. I would be curious about the results in general, not only for the computer application. Are the scans themselves safe? If so, I would not mind being scanned." 

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"Scans're safe. You have to hold really still though."

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"I think I can manage that." 

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"I'll pass," Vanyel says dryly. "Um, where's my sister?" 

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"Went off with Nechar."

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"Huh. Any idea why?" 

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"They didn't elect to specify."

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"Oh. All right. Since I'm not allowed to do anything useful about the Gate for two days," he gives Cam an annoyed look, "I guess I'll go read more things." Vanyel gets another mocha from Bar and returns to his booth. 

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Leareth heads over to Bar as well. "Do you know of an encyclopedia or collection that would summarize the main fields of scholarship either across worlds, or in a particularly advanced one?" 

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Advancement is relative to the underlying nature of the world; I'm afraid I'm unable to generalize in that way.

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"Can you categorize worlds as more or less similar to Valdemar, and select one which is alike in its underlying nature but more advanced?" 

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I can't distinguish the underlying natures of worlds, only their published materials and foodstuffs and so on.

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"I understand. Is there an encyclopedia of areas of scholarship from any world that you think is especially well written? I am mostly hoping for an overview of what fields or terminology I ought even be asking about."

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Here is an encyclopedia in fourteen volumes written in colorful letters! It seems to divide academic subjects into "numinous", "prosaic", "cognitive", and "fictive". The first one is about controlling the universe by meditating, though it has a respectable number of layers of depth for an academic subject.

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Leareth skims that for a bit and then skips ahead to look through the chapter headings on the 'prosaic' section. 

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Prosaics researchers study an array of sciences: rocks and plants and chemicals and animals and stars and fire and such.

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Leareth would like to read more about stars, since they're planning to visit a world that has travel between them, and he's hoping to see if the relevant section has information on black holes too. 

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The prosaic scholars have written about stars and black holes! However, they think you can control both of them by meditating, so how generalizable their information is is questionable.

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Sigh. This seems like either a universe with very strange natural laws, or an entry written by someone very confused. 

Leareth goes and asks Bar if she can classify worlds by ones that don't have magic at all, and give him a textbook on stars and related phenomena from one of those. 

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While some forms of magic detection do consider 'magic' a reasonably intuitive natural category, I have not had the opportunity to have all or even many worlds categorized in that way. I have access only to publications and a selection of comestibles, not to ground truth.

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"I understand."

And Leareth will go politely bother Cam about book titles he should ask about or at least reasonable search terms, since apparently he has no idea what to even ask for. 

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"Oh, yeah, Bar has some - indexing trouble. My world does have magic but runs on physics when no one is magicking anything and there's some decent physics." He consults his personal notes for physics books and hands Leareth something reasonably accessible on astronomy.

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"I suppose that is an understandable difficulty, given that reality in one world is already complicated to organize treatises on." Leareth thanks him, and settles in to read about astronomy. 

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Vanyel asks Bar if she can give him a complete list - titles and summaries would be fine - of all works on magic from his world. There probably aren't that many; more than a thousand, he'd guess, but he doubts it'd be as high as ten thousand. 

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Bar can do that! Here is the list of every publication she has mentioning magic from his world for its whole entire history.

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Bar is so helpful! Vanyel takes the list and reads through it, marks off the ones he's read (a couple dozen, out of several thousand, and he's unusually well read), and starts drawing up a reading list for himself. 

There are some really old books on permanent Gates! He asks for copies of those. 

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What a comparatively easy request! Here they are.

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Vanyel settles in for some productive reading. 

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Lissa eventually wanders back in, humming to herself and looking excessively cheerful. She rolls her eyes and doesn't answer when Vanyel asks what she's been up to. 

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Cam reads up on the brain anatomy necessary for chiplocked computers and waits for a mage he can scan to become available.

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Leareth emerges from his reading first (he has less of it, though he's eyeing Vanyel's pile speculatively, some of those are titles he knows but where the entire work has been lost). He volunteers himself cheerfully enough; he's very in favour of computers as a concept and would like to get to it promptly. 

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Cam can make a scanner in the backyard and put Leareth in it. "Hold real still," he advises. "And close your eyes so they don't saccade, and when I say when take a deep breath and hold it, just for a few seconds while it gets the image."

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Leareth follows the scanner instructions. He's pretty good at holding still. 

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When the scanner beeps Cam says "all done, wanna look at your brain?"

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"Yes, definitely." Leareth scrambles out and comes around to look. 

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Here is his brain! Cam is squinting at it and comparing it with a picture on his computer to find discrepancies.

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That's very impressive! Leareth peers curious at it, but he's completely untrained in reading brain-scans and unlikely to notice anything before Cam does. 

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Vanyel takes a break from his reading and wanders out to join them. "Oh, is this the scanner? You can do me too, if you want." 

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"Wouldn't hurt!" He repeats the instructions for Vanyel.

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Vanyel finds the scanner protocol a bit more stressful, but can hold still for the required duration. 

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"Old fashioned scanners took way longer. Though they didn't make you hold your breath since it would have been impossible."

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"That must not have been ideal for the scans." 

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"It was not! These are better." Are these brains like each other and unlike normal brains in any ways?

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They are! The difference seems to be mainly in the sensorimotor cortex; there's an additional area that doesn't match anything in a standard human brain. (Vanyel's is bigger, but not otherwise different in kind.) 

It doesn't look like it should interfere with installing a chip, though. 

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Cam points out the comparison points and indicates where the chip goes "though I'll still want the infirmary staffer to spot me".

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"I can go first," Vanyel offers. "I think it'd be worse if something messed up your brain than mine." 

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Leareth gives Vanyel a narrow-eyed look. "No." 

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"The infirmary staffer is categorically adequate and if she weren't Leareth would be a safer test because his whatever-that-is is a bit smaller but not by enough that I'd be doing brain surgery on him for a nonemergency convenience."

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"Also I am the one who was pushing for a brain computer in the first place." 

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"And I think you can have one, but let's go to the infirmary."

In the infirmary, the infirmary lady asks them to show her where they're hurt and Cam sighs and ignores her.

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Leareth will follow whatever instructions Cam gives him. Calmly. It's not going to help to be nervous about this, so he isn't. 

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Cam hands him an object. "There you go," he says. "It'll give you a tutorial, Milliways'll translate it so the default one should work fine."

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"...Did you already do it? That was quick." 

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"It's not a large object."

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"Well. Thank you." 

And Leareth gets right to work following the tutorial for his new brain computer. It's pretty neat. 

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"Do you want one too?" Cam asks Vanyel.

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"Yes, please." It looks like it's confirmed safe and it sounds pretty useful. And fascinating. 

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Computer for him too. The tutorial wants them to attempt to do various computer operations with their mind, so the computer can learn what it's like when they try to do things with their minds and in the future be able to respond to that.

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What a clever concept! Leareth cheerfully tries the various computer operations with his mind, until the tutorial is done and he can start using his computer for real. 

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It's pretty great!!! 

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Lissa wants one too! She's not as much of a reader, but she wouldn't want to be left out. It should be easier since she's not a mage. 

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It does not require brainscans! Voilà, computer.

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This is amaaaaazing! Lissa thinks that Milliways is great and Cam is great. She does her tutorial a little impatiently. 

...Can the computer make music. That would be pretty cool. 

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"It can play recorded music - yours has a basic essentials package curated by a Librarian of Hell, I'm not sure what's in it actually - and you can also teach it to play chiptones, here's the peripheral for it, go to 'peripherals' and pick 'chiptones, Serenade 4' since the model of this one is called a Serenade 4, and you can get it to play tones in various instrument voices, some people can do chords but it's harder."

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"What, exactly, is a Librarian of Hell?" 

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"Someone who works on curating and sorting and collating and organizing all the information and creative works ever in my origin worldset."

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"Huh! That must be an awful lot to sort!" 

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"They're very busy."

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"I bet!" And Lissa wanders off to play with her new music collection. 

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The computer and reading material are enough to keep Vanyel well-occupied until two days later, when he prods Cam. "I can do the Gate practice again today, right?" 

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"If Leareth's available, yes."

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Leareth can be extracted from his reading to try some tiny embroidery-hoop Gates, after Vanyel's beta blockers have kicked in, starting half a mile off but gradually drawing closer. 

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This time Leareth gets to just a hundred yards away before it starts to hurt! And it's a gradual, warning pain that stops immediately when Leareth drops the Gate. 

He's tempted to try it again, but Yfandes tells him very firmly not to push it too hard today. 

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Cam agrees with her.

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Then he can go back to reading. He can't help Leareth with the hands-on part of spell research, but he can read up on various Gate theories from across history and collect notes for Leareth to work from. 

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Leareth works from them. He goes out in the backyard when he wants to cast actual practice Gates. 

A week in, he's pretty sure he'll be able to pick out just the 'search' aspect of a Gate, and point it at an arbitrary target. He's not sure yet whether in practice this will behave like a regular Gate-destination or turn the whole thing into a summoning spell, or whether both versions are possible. The latter would certainly be more convenient for them. 

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On his third session, Vanyel can handle a Gate at fifty yards. 

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"You're doing great," Cam tells him.

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"I think it'd at least hurt me much less, now, if we wanted to Gate to Endorë and get started–"

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"Vanyel, I think we ought give it another week. Also we are going to sedate you for it, so it does not hurt you anyway, but still. Unless Cam is in more of a hurry than that...?" 

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"We have all the time in the world. Also it'll probably slow you down, reverse some progress even, if a Gate hurts you much now."

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"...I guess that makes sense." There's plenty of reading to do. 

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There is! Leareth is making progress on winnowing out the useful books from Bar's recommendations. (He's considering putting together some sort of index/guide for future patrons, if things like that stick around when a person leaves. Not that he's planning on leaving for, well, possibly the next several centuries once they accomplish the immediate objective.) 

He asks Cam if he should do any reading about the people they're planning to go meet in Endorë, and if so, who to ask Bar for materials on. (Or Cam can give his own suggestions if he has them.) 

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"You could read up on them. Maybe newspapers? If the Noldor don't have any yet then Brithombar papers might do."

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"Thank you." Leareth goes to Bar and asks about both. Any written materials on the Noldor would be good, actually, if there are published histories too. 

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There are various histories of the Noldor and plenty of newspapers.

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Perfect! He'll start with a few of the histories, skimming to determine which one looks like the best starting point and then diving into it. 

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Elves sure exist and do Elf things on various planets. Well, just the two.

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Do they have the ability to travel to other more distant planets and just haven't so far, or is it too challenging? (He sort of assumes Cam could solve the 'too challenging' part.) 

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They could, either in lightleapers or in conventional ships that take twenty-five years to get between the two they have already, but haven't gotten around to it.

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Digression: he goes to ask Bar about written works on the engineering behind 'lightleapers' (a list of titles to start, if there are a lot of them.) 

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The original paper detailing their underlying physics principle is titled "I did it" and is by then-Prince Curufinwë Fëanáro. Later expansion on practical engineering considerations were undertaken at a leisurely pace by various Teleri.

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...Cute. Leareth reads the paper through and takes notes, just in case it's the sort of thing that might come up as a way to impress the now-King. (Who he is already expecting he's going to like.) 

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Vanyel would like to read that too! And then fill Leareth in on his research notes, and discuss Gate-spell adaptations in theory. 

At his next Gate-exposure-therapy session he can get it down to thirty yards. 

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"Good for you, seventy percent reduction in one step."

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"I'm starting to get really bored of this! Probably boredom is a sign it's working, right?" 

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"It's an improvement on agonizing fear?"

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"It really is." 

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Leareth makes some basic magic artifacts for experimental purposes, and spends a while casting adapted-Gates in the backyard, trying to do both of "open a Gate where the object is" (Yfandes helpfully hides them far away for him), or "summon object to him." It's not exactly analogous to summoning Maiar but it ought to generalize a little.

Inconveniently, the Gate-spell seems to prefer treating said magical objects like a destination, but he's hoping with additional work he can get it to do the other way instead. 

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Cam makes himself available to dispense drugs and embroidery hoops and enchantment-suitable rocks and so on as necessary.

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Leareth makes a little more progress on the theory behind the Gate-spell, but thinks he's now hitting the limit of how much useful practical experimentation he can do before actually having a Maia to look at. He dives back into other reading instead. 

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Vanyel gets down to twenty yards. Leareth gives him a book on relaxation exercises, discovered by accident in his background reading. This is great because it's something he can practice for as many candlemarks as he wants, every time he's annoyed with himself for being the blocker on them leaving, not just a few minutes every couple of days.

The next session he gets down to five yards. He thinks he could probably go even closer but Leareth insists on holding off. 

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"He's right, imagine how annoyed you'll be if we have to start over from the beginning."

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Sigh. "Fine, yes, I would be pretty annoyed." He looks over at Leareth. "I think I'd be fine going through a Gate while sedated, though." 

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"And then what? I am going to want your help with testing spells, once we leave, and it will become much costlier to continue your sessions there, when time is passing over there. I think it would be best if we did all of that here." 

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...All right, fine, he has a point. 

Vanyel will keep doing low-priority-seeming reading, and practicing his relaxation exercises a lot. 

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Cam reads about exposure therapy and attempts to provide useful advice about it.

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And Lissa tries to remind Vanyel what an astounding amount of rapid progress this is, after over a decade of being totally unable to handle Gate-energy. (She also nags him to take breaks so she can show him all the music recordings she's finding on her new computer.) 

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Vanyel is still kind of impatient, but Lissa does have a point.

And by the end of the next week, another two sessions later, he can actually touch the Gate Leareth is casting.

"I kind of want to try casting one myself?" he tells Cam. "Not going through, yet, but raising a Gate and not going through it was less bad than going through someone else's, in the past." 

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"That makes sense, since you could kind of brace yourself. How close do you have to be to one you're casting?"

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"You know, I'm not sure! I can definitely do it from five yards, maybe ten - I haven't actually tested what the maximum distance is." 

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"Maybe cast it a ways off and then walk up to it."

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"Oh, sure, that's a good idea." 

It turns out Vanyel can cast a miniature Gate between the embroidery hoops with Leareth holding them fifteen yards distant! He stays where he is for a bit, just looking at the glow of the two thresholds, sort of awed. "I can't believe I can do that and it doesn't hurt." 

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"You've made a lot of progress!"

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Vanyel tries walking a bit closer. At around five yards he can feel himself start to tense up, and a tiny twinge of what isn't quite pain yet but is maybe considering becoming it, so he takes a few steps back again. 

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"I think you should not push it now," Leareth says. "Try again at the next session." 

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Grumble.

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"You don't wanna overextend yourself," agrees Cam.

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"I know." 

It takes another week, three more sessions, but: to his own amazement and awe, Vanyel is able to cast some tiny Gates himself and actually touch them. "I can't believe it! I never thought I'd be able to do this." 

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"Congratulations! Do you need to work up to big ones or does it not generally react to how big they are?"

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"I'm not actually sure! I hadn't tried casting tiny Gates before this, since they're basically only useful for tests or practice and I, um, wasn't ever going to do a Gate I didn't absolutely have to for tactical reasons." 

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"That makes sense. But probably sometimes they're different sizes if the thresholds around are, right, have you ever noticed a difference?"

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"Hmm. I hadn't noticed a difference for my own Gates, but I've only done 'regular doorway' or the door to the Heralds' Temple which fits Companions, they're not that different and regular-size ones hurt enough that maybe I wouldn't be able to distinguish anyway. My aunt did a huge Gate I had to be near once, and I recall it being especially bad, but she also had to hold it for a lot longer than usual, so it could've been that. Gating longer distances is worse, I think, but that could just be that the search-step takes longer. I could, er, try casting a regular-sized Gate but starting from fifteen yards away again..."

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"Next time," Leareth says firmly. 

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"But– all right, fine." 

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"You know, you do not actually need to performatively complain and show how impatient you are in order to convey that this matters to you," Leareth says levelly. 

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"I'm not..." It doesn't seem like there's much point in arguing. 

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"If you're bored I can teach you my music notation and you can transcribe songs, or something."

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It's hard to be bored, exactly, when there's an infinite supply of reading material right there, but music is reliably exciting anyway and Vanyel lights up. "I would really like that!" 

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So Cam teaches him Earth musical notation.

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Great!!! 

Vanyel is now quite cheerfully taking advantage of this excuse to delay, and transcribing all the songs he knows from Valdemar. (With the exception, of course, of all the ones written about him during the war. Because they're terrible.) 

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"Van, seriously, are you going to deprive the multiverse of 'Demonsbane' just because it embarrasses you? happen to think it's quite a good song." 

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"Well, if you like it so much, maybe you can do it yourself!" 

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"Van, unlike some people, I don't have perfect pitch. Come on. It won't kill you to admit that you did some really impressive things and people wrote songs about it." 

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"...You mean I murdered a lot of people." Vanyel turns his back on her. 

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"I'm not looking forward to that part myself, yeah."

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"...I'm sorry." Now he feels bad for even straying near the topic. 

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"You could do that song that you taught me once, the one from Seldasen's time," Leareth says across the room. 

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"–Oh, you mean the one about the captain not passing a false alarm from one of their border trap-spells to his superiors, because it would disrupt the peace talks with Karse?" Sigh. "I can't believe how Karse has started wars with us, what, at least five times? I guess it depends if you count that period in the early 300s as all one war or a bunch of short ones." 

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"Maybe this time the peace treaty will stick. Since Vkandis showed up personally and all." 

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"Showed up personally?"

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"Possessed Queen Karis - well, Princess, she wasn't officially crowned yet but she was the surviving heir to the throne after the coup by the priesthood. Anyway, she came to us and wanted help taking back the country, which was sort of stretching the letter of the law on 'Valdemar does not invade and conquer' but at least it got Randi to let us win the stupid war. And after we'd taken the capital city, Vkandis possessed Karis and gave her miraculous healing powers for a night, and then miraculously showed her where the high priest was hiding, and that got everyone in Sunhame to agree that obviously Vkandis wanted her in charge and for Karse to be allied with Valdemar." 

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"Might stick, but who knows."

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"It might not, given how much trouble we had with the stupid rebel groups, it took two years to get the entire country back under Karis' rule. Although that's mostly thanks to the stupid lord on our own council who thought it'd be great to supply some corrupt priestess blood-mage–"

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"Can we talk about literally anything else. Please." 

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"Do you want to watch my favorite aerial ballet."

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"Ooh! That sounds really neat, what is aerial ballet even?" (Lissa is easily distracted.) 

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"It's a dance, with flying, and music, and there's not a ton of dialogue but it's all sung."

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"Huh! What a creative idea!" And Vanyel is now also distracted from the subject of recent Valdemaran scandals. 

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Cam puts on a production of Atriama. Not his favorite, one that will be more accessible to foreign audiences.

The main character, a demon called Atriama, dances her way from a set representing the plane of gold to a set representing another planet within Hell, where she visits a friend who lives on that planet. She expects to find him alone but is intrigued and delighted to discover that he has genetically engineered (or, at least, somehow invented) some bird-people (played by demons with feathers and beaks on), and she twirls around through their treehouses and dances among them making birdpeople friends, until eventually a grey-feathered birdperson gracefully plummets out of the sky, dead. Atriama alights beside the casualty, checks for a pulse, shakes her head, sighs, smiles, cups her hands - observes them to be empty -

- spins around increasingly frantically, her hands containing nothing every time she reaches out to catch something she'd been trying to conjure.

Intermission contains an entr'acte.

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Lissa is an excellent audience; she watches raptly, oohs and aahs at all the right parts, gasps and seizes her brother's hand when the dead birdperson falls.

"Gah!" she says, when the scene ends and intermission starts. "Why is it stopping there - I want to know what's happening, I'm so confused. Is their magic not working?" 

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"There's a second half, it just gives the dancers a break here."

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"Oh, good, I'm glad we get to find out what happens next." Lissa bounces a bit. 

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The birdpeople burn their dead. Atriama watches in horror for the first turn of their sad dance about the pyre, but then slots in, spiraling up while the smoke turns colors one after another.

Afterwards, Atriama explains to the birdpeople mostly through interpretive dance but also a little in song that what happened to their dead friend is not normal. Normally, when people die, they go somewhere, they're healthy and immortal ever after, they might be far away but they're not gone (she reprises a bit of her desperate spinning dance trying to conjure for the deceased). She thinks the problem is that they're in Hell, and so they've got to be removed from Hell. She ropes the birdpeople into helping her design the opposite of a circle - loopy pentagrams, in this production - and starts sending them to Earth, reassuring them that even if they wind up separated they'll be able to pass letters, and make new friends wherever they wind up.

Atriama's demon friend, the creator of the birdpeople, catches them at it. The pentagrams go up in flames. He doesn't want his birdpeople taken away.

They dance. He makes eggs, in his hands, over and over again; Atriama destroys them, scattering shells all over the stage until every step they take crunches. They take to the air.

One of the birdpeople joins in on Atriama's side of the dance, and then another, and then another.

Their creator yields, and Atriama goes to drape her wing over him while the birdpeople draw pentagrams for themselves and disappear via stage effect, one by one, and the music simplifies and finally stops.

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Lissa is captivated. She leans forward in her chair and grabs Vanyel's hand again and doesn't take her eyes away until a while after everyone has disappeared and the music ended. 

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Vanyel is watching without much expression. Occasionally flinching slightly. 

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"Is that based on something that really happened?" Lissa asks Cam. "It's so strange." 

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"Oh, no, this never happened, nobody's ever engineered a sapient creature."

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Vanyel shivers. "That's a relief! That was all kind of horrible." 

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"We've had horrible historical events but Atriama is not based on any."

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"I don't know, I liked it. It had a happy ending, the good side won. I'm sort of confused about how any of the magic parts worked but it was definitely a win." 

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"The pentagrams are made up, their development process isn't really part of the emotional arc. Though there are productions that go into more depth there."

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"Huh, are there different versions of it, then?" 

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"Sure, slightly to mildly different stagings and arrangements and adaptations. This isn't even my favorite, I just thought it'd be especially accessible."

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"I think it was a good choice! It was a bit confusing but I really enjoyed it a lot, thank you so much for showing us." 

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"Yes, thank you." Vanyel has had enough distraction and will go back to reading and practicing his relaxation exercises now. 

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Cam will read some more till someone needs him.

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Vanyel lets Cam know when it's time for his next Gate-exposure session, and asks if he can make some freestanding door-sized archways out in the backyard for practice purposes. 

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Sure can. Doors to nowhere coming right up.

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Vanyel raises a Gate almost absentmindedly, it's become so routine at this point. He does it from fifteen yards, then approaches, taking one step at a time and waiting. 

It doesn't seem to be worse than a small Gate; he gets right up to it, and he doesn't expect it to hurt, and it doesn't hurt. He touches the glowing threshold. Thoughtfully pokes a finger through. 

–He chuckles, it's very odd to see his fingertip emerging from the other end, five yards away. 

"This is totally fine," he tells Cam. "I maybe want to try going through?" 

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"If it doesn't hurt at all now? Sure, why not."

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Then Vanyel will casually step across his Gate. Passing through is fine, actually–

–except that the momentary disorientation on the other side startles him, and he tenses up a little, and then yelps and swears and tries to get some distance between himself and the Gate. 

Relax, he tells himself firmly, taking a few deep breaths. The pain fades; it feels a bit like having had a limb briefly jarred into an uncomfortable position, but not hard enough to sprain anything. 

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"- are you okay -"

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"Yes - think so. Doesn't hurt now, it was only for a moment, it's disorienting coming out from a Gate and it surprised me. I - don't think I'll try again, right now, but I'll see if I can take it down without it hurting at all."

Vanyel unweaves his Gate and reclaims the magic from it (it's the first time he's ever been able to cross a Gate and take it down himself, properly.) "That's all fine," he confirms to Cam. 

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"That's good. Might want to give it more downtime before trying again."

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Sigh. "I mean, I could just get sedated for the Gate there - but I guess it's better if I'm definitely completely fine with Gates and can help Leareth with things right from the start, once we have time pressure." 

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"Yes, I think so. I know you are impatient, but this is worth doing properly. Your progress has been quite impressive." 

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More reading and more Gate practice and taking breaks to consume media on his new computer and transcribe songs and being teased by Lissa about whatever she can think of.

The next session, three days later rather than two, Vanyel spends ten minutes poking just his head through the Gate and pulling it back, until the momentary inner-ear confusion seems mundane and boring. 

The session after that, he learns one of Leareth's weird adapted Gate spells and uses it to locate some concealed magic artifacts. 

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Cam thinks the sticking his head through thing is clever.

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Vanyel thought it was pretty clever of him too! 

He can, with Leareth's insistence, be persuaded to wait and do one more Gate-work session a couple of days later. Which goes well.

"All right, at this point I don't think I'm really holding us back from leaving anymore?" he tells Cam. 

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"Then I guess we can drop in on Endorë. Do you need - pictures of some sort, or -"

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"It would be easiest with a memory - I think you said that the Elf you invited here might be able to offer me one and would be comfortable with telepathy...?" 

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"Right, yeah, I'll send him a message." Cam does this. Alassëo comes down the stairs.

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Leareth politely requests a sense-memory of a place on Endorë, ideally one where it won't be too disruptive for a lot of people to suddenly appear through a magic Gate. 

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Alassëo can suggest a section of the underwater Noldor bunker.

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...Leareth is very curious why there's an underwater Noldor bunker, but if it's safe, then sure. 

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"I put it there when we landed. It made sense at the time."

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"That ought to work fine, then. Vanyel, do you think you are up for crossing the Gate the normal way?" 

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"Probably? Almost definitely? I just don't know if Gating that distance is weird for some reason." 

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"I think we should probably do it from in here, since that is less straightforwardly several light-years away - I assume distances between Milliways and arbitrary places in a linked world are not really a coherent concept." 

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"I don't see how they could be."

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"Whereas Gating several light-years of linear distance is likely to be noticeably difficult." 

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Nod. "I don't know if inter-world Gates are weird for some reason? But I can probably figure that out by standing back when you do it, and if it hurts on the approach, then I back off and Cam sedates me for it? And probably it'll be fine." 

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"Yeah, if you're on Yfandes you can give it the same berth you needed originally and still close the distance quickly if that's more caution than necessary."

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"Makes sense." 

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:I, er, hope it's not going to be too problematic dragging a large horse into an underwater bunker: 

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"It's very spacious, I had no materials costs and Elves're claustrophobic."

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:Phew, I'm glad - I'm not exactly claustrophobic but, well, I don't fit through regular doors back home: 

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"I don't know that you can canter down the average hallway but you'll have room to walk."

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"I'm excited," Lissa says brightly. "I mean, I know it's a very serious trip, but I've never seen an underwater bunker before." And probably there will be more Elves around, who are goooooorgeous. 

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"We should figure out what to pack." Leareth smiles slightly. "I suppose it is less critical than usual given Cam's abilities; if I forget an important reference book, he can make another copy. Quite handy." 

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"Yeah, I don't know that you need to pack anything actually unless you don't want me to know it exists and expect to conceal the presence of something you don't want me to know exists so well that I never conjure all your possessions just in case."

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"Would you actually conjure all my possessions if you were suspicious I was concealing something I didn't want you to know existed?"

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"I might, yeah."

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"Huh!" Lissa doesn't seem especially bothered or offended, though. 

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"I don't go around doing this all the time but it would be sort of concerning if you were trying to prevent me from discovering the existence of something you were smuggling into the Noldor base. Like, it's underwater, if it blows up it floods."

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"I think this is quite a reasonable policy. Anyway, it is not in my interests to try to smuggle something in without your knowing, much less to sneak in something damaging." 

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"I guess." 

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"Anyway. Last minute, uh, anything -"

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"Vanyel?" 

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"What? Er, no, can't think of anything." 

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"Okay. Is the plan to just grab select Elves while the Gate stands open and then bring them here to talk at our leisure, with Alassëo ready to hold the door if something goes wrong so we can lightleap back to the door's location?"

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"If we expect them to be nearish the Gate, I think that is a reasonable plan. We would need a way of getting a message to Alassëo, though, or give him conditions under which he ought to assume something has gone wrong." 

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"He can stand over there and watch us through the Gate."

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"That works." 

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"Someone who can reach them will be in earshot. How long should I say they have to ask questions and grab more people?"

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"I am not sure exactly how tiring this type of Gate will prove to be, but - ten minutes? Perhaps longer but I would not count on it. It will be easier if I hang back and stay near the Gate, or perhaps do not cross it myself at all." 

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"Okay, sounds like a plan."