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carry a tune
Mingling arrives
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After Cam's magic but still basically human boyfriend has fallen asleep and Cam finds he is not tired enough to do the same, Cam goes downstairs.

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The bar is quiet. Elves can be heard outside singing. And then the door opens.

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And a Elf child - recognizably an Elf child by the robes, the unreasonable prettiness, and the carefully-braided hair - walks in. 

 

He blinks confusedly at Cam. "Wooooooowwww," he says, "you have pretty wings! Nice to meet you! I'm Nelyafinwë Maitimo."

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...of course he is.

 

"Hi, I'm Cam."

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"Did you come to see my daddy? He's busy. I can show you around but if you have - teck-nick-al - questions I will not be any help at all."

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...Grownup Maitimo's forks are both in other worlds and Timothy is asleep. He sends Timothy a short email without looking anyway: tiny Elf you-alt too cute help. "No, this place is actually not even near your house."

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He tugs on the doorknob. "The courtyard is right there behind us. I was just there! I was playing with clay but I can't get it to look like Mommy's. I have smaller hands, you would think it would be an - ad-van-tage."

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"Yes, but that door doesn't usually lead here, right?"

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"Nope, but you're a Maia so you can make things look like other things, right?"

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"I'm not a Maia, I'm a thing from another world called a demon."

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His lip trembles. "I'm sorry."

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"- it's okay, I'm not offended."

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Squint. "- you're sad, though."

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"I'm sad a lot, it's not your fault."

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"I'm the prince, all of the bad things are my - not fault. My - ree-spon-sib-ill- I lost track - reespibility - no, no, I lost track again. Anyway I shouldn't make you sad."

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"It's about a thing that happened very far away."

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"Like Rúmil? He's sad about a thing that happened in Endorë a long time ago. And that is still my respibility because he's one of my people."

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"That..." is a fucked up thing for a small child to believe "is an interesting way of looking at it but I decided to be sad about this thing" before the blue-green sphere even crumpled "and it will not help anything if you are also bothered about it."

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Forehead crease. "...okay. ...maybe the Valar could fix the thing?"

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Nope they're dead. "I don't think so."

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Lip definitely trembling. "No they're not dead they're not they can't die you might be mistaken."

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"- what?"

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He tugs desperately at the doorknob. "I'm going to go check -" Door opens -

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"- if you let that door close while you're on the far side you can't come back here and it might be important please wait -"

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"I'll come right back I need to check if they're dead I don't think they're dead someone would have said something -" he is tugging the door more open, he doesn't quite have the height for it -

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"Not yours, yours are fine, other Valar far away."

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He might be too upset to be parsing Cam properly! "Can't be dead, they can't die -"

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"Your Valar are fine, I - were you reading my mind people where I'm from don't do that so I wasn't thinking - understandably -" Timothy wake the fuck up and read your messages which now include I SCARED THE TINY MINDREADING YOU AND HE IS TRYING TO LEAVE HELP

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He is standing in the door looking very confused - "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't - I was just listening -"

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"People where I am from can't listen like that please don't listen to me thinking. Your Valar are okay."

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He leans against the doorframe and rubs his eyes. 

 

"I'm sorry. I won't. I'm sorry. If the Valar are okay then they can fix it, probably."

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That would be. Interesting and possibly hazardous to Cam's health. "Maybe."

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"- I'm trying not to listen but you could just keep your thoughts private if you don't want to share them? That would be easier than trying to not listen, it's not even like trying to not listen out loud where I can plug my ears."

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"...I don't know how to do that because people where I'm from can't read minds at all."

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"- but you have Valar -"

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"I'm... not from the place with Valar" were they reading his mind what the fuck they probably were "originally and I didn't talk to them much."

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"Okay. I'm not great at teaching how to do thoughts private but you pick a - way of separating thoughts you want to share and thoughts you want to keep secret, like, imagining that your secret thoughts are in your bed snuggled up cozy, and your not secret ones are standing on the windowsill playing? Or your secret ones are all wrapped up and your shared ones are open. Or your secret ones are under the water and your shared ones are above like an island...I really am sorry. Everyone learns how to do it so if someone is sharing thinking things it is always because they meant to be."

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"That makes sense." Okay he will just metaphorically chiplock his entire brain how about that.

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The tiny Maitimo does not comment on whether this worked. He is still rubbing his eyes and rocking back and forth anxiously.

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"I'm sorry I scared you."

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"I'm the one who did something wrong, I read your thoughts that were private!"

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"Well. You didn't know."

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"I want to run away and cry but you said it was important to stay and I should learn to fix it when I do things wrong but I really want to run away and cry."

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"You can go anywhere as long as you don't go on the other side of that specific door and then let it close. But nobody else here knows about private thoughts either if you meet more people here."

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He sits down. He curls up tightly in a ball. 

 

He starts singing.

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Crisis averted probably but still help

Cam gives the tiny Elf some space.

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And a while later a bewildered Timothy comes downstairs. 

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Elves hear really well; Cam appears a note at him. Tiny Maitimo is over there upset because I freaked him out, he reads minds but in a weirdly polite way where if you metaphorically mark them private he doesn't hear them so he can't be the same kind as the previous Elves.

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He pulls out a quill and writes back there are multiple kinds of Elves? He looks the same - Occlumency does that -

 

And over to the tiny Elf.

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"- hi, I'm Nelyafinwë Maitimo -" snuffle -

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"Timothy Way. What's the matter?"

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" - I want my mommy and daddy but I can't leave and I can't talk to anybody ever again because I'll read their minds because they don't know how to keep their thoughts quiet -"

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" - we can learn the thought privacy thing, it sounds like, and also I'm sure you can go home, it'd just be good if you could call over someone to hold the door, is there anyone who could do that? It's a magic door. You're being very brave."

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"- there's no one around, my parents're working. Are the Valar going to die -"

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"- I want to make sure no one dies. Do you happen to know if there's a Vala called Melkor -"

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"Yeah."

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"Do you happen to know where he is."

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"He's in jail because he did something bad."

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"Great. Okay. Cam, did the other one break out somehow or what -"

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"Paroled."

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" - well, fantastic, then we just have to. Tell them not to do that. Maitimo, Melkor really shouldn't get paroled, it's really awful if he does, we should probably talk to some people from your world about that. Cam knows - another world like yours except the Elves do not read unchipped peoples' minds - and they paroled their Melkor and it was a really really terrible idea."

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Nodnod. "Unchipped people?"

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"Yeah, they can always send thoughts to each other but they usually can't send them to people like us who are different, or read ours. If no one's in reach of your door we can maybe send them an owl, I guess. Cam's not mad at you, it's really good you came through here and you did the right thing staying."

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"I did a bad thing."

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"Yep, and I'm not going to be impressed with you for feeling guilty over it because that will give you unhealthy incentives down the road take my word for it."

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"- huh?"

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"You're really good at being what people need you to be and this is really good and it will let you accomplish a lot but there are a few respects in which it does not serve you and that is one of them so you're gonna stop. You didn't get it perfect. Even when you're big and unfairly smart because of future brain stuff you won't get it perfect. So, figure out what to do now and do that."

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"I'm a little bit confused."

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"Yeah, I bet." And to Cam, "when does he get paroled -"

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"1400, but if these are different Elves they might have different timekeeping or something."

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"Kiddo, what year were you born -"

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"1219."

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He looks questioningly at Cam.

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"I don't have all of these dates memorized, hang on." Notes, notes. "...don't have the birthyear marked down but it's at least close."

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"Are there some dates you do have which he might know -"

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"...when did the Elves get to Valinor?"

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"The Noldor and Vanyar got there in 1132 but the Teleri took until 1151."

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"That's what I have too."

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"So, there's Earth with demons, Earth with wizards, Arda with and without mindreading -"

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"Arda with and without mindreading Elves, the Ainur don't have chips."

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" - so were they probably just reading your mind -"

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"Probably. Not necessarily but Huan's osanwë could reach me."

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" - this world's set probably could do something but -"

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"But?"

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"But I am super unimpressed with them and don't necessarily want to let them in to do it, frankly."

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"What is your competing idea?"

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"Haven't got one yet, just - registering dislike of this one."

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"- this is about -" he broadcasts the thought Cam had earlier, the planet, crumbling -

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"- please don't do that."

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"...sorry."

 

Curl-up.

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"...but yes, loosely about that."

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"I want to go home."

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"- how about we tell everybody outside about the private thoughts thing and then you can go out and sing with them?"

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He goes to the door to outside, opens it - "uh, guys? Someone just came through the door - he's a small version of your Maitimo - but he's got mindreading, you have to do this mental separation thing for privacy - Maitimo, can you read my thoughts?"

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"No."

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There are Elf volunteers and then fewer Elf volunteers when it is clarified that this Maitimo is, like, seven and that the concern is not thoughts-they-might-want-to-keep-private-from-their-crown-prince but thoughts-they-might-want-to-keep-private-from-a-toddler.

 

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" - can't hear any of them, except when they're saying things at me -"

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" - chips must count for the relevant distinction -"

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"Great, thanks, can you look after him?"

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" - his world has the Valar, they can fix everything -"

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"Could be, yes."

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"That would be nice."

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"Either way, we're in no hurry, right, because we are Elves and ten years from now is as good as right this minute."

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"- you're not an Elf, m'lord Timothy -"

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"Yeah, I was - you know what, he will cheer up a lot if you go introduce him to everybody, please just do that -"

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They do that.

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"It's entirely possible they could not in fact squish me."

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"Oh, good, 'entirely possible' is what I strive for in my odds of surviving when I wake up every morning."

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"It's also possible they would not choose to squish me, or that they would not be really petty about it if I happened to be hiding in Hell at the time, so many layers of entire possibility."

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"It is possible they'd try parole, apparently. Doesn't - I'm not chancing it -"

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"There are a million people who are permanently dead because I killed them and if the extra Valar demand me on a platter with an apple in my mouth but they can fix it you produce another fix or you stand back."

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"We've been here a month there is an entire multiverse -"

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"I'm not saying you can't pull it off or that I wouldn't dearly prefer it. But if Tiny You can't get ahold of anyone to hold his door for him - we can't kidnap him to hold access to his world for however many more months, he's scared and little and - and we can't abandon his door without something better on tap either."

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"If everyone tells him to stay he'll stay - my parents were not so negligent there'd be no one within Elven earshot -"

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"Then we lean out the door and yell and there's no emergency."

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"Yeah. Okay."

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Sigh. Hug.

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"Don't - make decisions without telling me, okay -"

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"...Okay, but set your computer so it yells at you loud enough to wake you up when you have an email marked urgent, the intra-Milliways time mismatch is a thing."

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"For sure - sorry - I'm really glad he didn't just run off -"

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"I must've scared him really bad."

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"You must have been really scared - mindreading -"

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"Yes, well, fortunately it scared me enough that I was thinking about that and not reflexively trying not to think about my sex life?"

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" - good point. I - ugh - I'd feel exactly the same about letting some fairly fucking evil gods into Milliways to possibly murder you if we weren't - so you know -"

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"Thanks."

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"What if people do daevafy when they're summoners and the Valar break summoning again, then what."

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"Affects well over a million people in the long run."

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"Yes, it does."

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"Guess it depends on whether they'd agree not to do that."

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"- are we at least in agreement it would be incredibly evil and unfair of them -"

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"'Incredibly' is maybe pushing it... and 'unfair'... I'll give you 'evil' in a loose sense."

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"We can start time running in Hogwarts again, figure out if summoners daevafy - not guaranteed to be the same result across worlds but it'd at least be more information than we currently have -"

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Nod. Sigh. Hug.

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Hug.

 

"Poppy Gardens people gotten back to you."

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Check. "- yes. There's somebody down as volunteering for experiments even if they require some time spent awake."

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"Then I'll go talk to them about finding out whether the Killing Curse kills them, why don't I."

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"Name of Plez."

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He goes back up to his room.

 

He takes a shower and enspells all the pillows to beat themselves violently against the wall and sets his computer to wake him up if he gets urgent messages from Cam.

 

He draws a circle.

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Plez is a small androgynous demon in shades of amber wearing a white robe thing with a flower embroidered on it that looks like it might be some kind of poppy garden uniform. They don't say anything on arrival.

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"Hi. My world has magic - different kind of magic than you're used to - and there's a spell called the Killing Curse. It kills people. We have no idea if it works on daeva. Complicating matters, it can only be cast for evil reasons - so, we can't just cast it on a consenting demon. I happen to know someone who is not a very good person and could be persuaded to try it, but - if you change your mind, there's a point at which it'd probably be too late, and it'd require being conscious for a while though I can use different magic on you in the meantime so you don't have to actually be doing anything."

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Plez nods.

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"My world's magic is pretty versatile, if there are instead conditions under which you'd want to be alive."

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Headtilt.

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"Like, if the problem is that you are not happy often enough, we can fix that, I don't know, I don't have a clear idea of why daeva who want to die mostly want that - do you prefer to communicate some other way, you can appear me notes or something -"

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Plez thinks, and appears a little sheet of paper for Timothy to take.

It reads I just really hate the sound of my voice. How do you fix not being happy?

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"There're charms for it, I can cast one of those now if you want to see what it feels like, and potions which last longer and which you could take home with you - you can't make them, they're magic, but a regular supply could definitely be arranged -"

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Oh, that's not my problem. I was just curious.

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"Okay. Do you - want to be a test subject for this?"

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Nod.

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"If I take you there under mind control you probably aren't going to have a chance to change your mind, and if you happen to throw it off and tell me you've changed your mind it's possible it'd be too late for me to get you out of there, is that okay?"

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Nod.

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"Okay. And I need you to not have wings, is that okay?"

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Note. Now?

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"If that works for you."

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There is a brief delay and a spray of blood and the wings just - fall off.

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He only flinches slightly. "Okay. Ah -" He is attempting to get this person murdered mostly because he wants to know exactly how invulnerable Cam is, is that fucking evil enough for you - "Imperio -"

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And now he has Plez mind-controlled.

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Yay.

 

Plez can wear 1800s Muggle clothes.

 

He heads back down to the main bar. 

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There's Cam.

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"Going to go check. Do you want - some way to track what's going on - I'm not afraid of him but -"

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"...this going to be one of the places electricity doesn't work, or -?"

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"We don't have them all mapped out, but it might be, would putting it in a wood box interfere?"

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"I don't have that working yet. Would you expect to be able to do something, or stop doing something, if you were in distress?"

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"Could have someone else on standby I could dismiss as a distress signal. The technologies might work, it's not Hogwarts and it's not a place like it..."

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"Dismissal takes a minute. ...Snapping a binding is instant, if you'd trust any of your angels that far."

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"...sure, Anglican church lady's a sweetheart - is snapping a binding externally visible -"

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"Externally no but reportedly it feels like something even if the binding wasn't tight enough to feel like anything itself. Might make more sense to have your angel in range to rescue you if you snap her binding rather than here as a communication device."

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"If I'm conscious at all I can solve most problems with the demon I have under my control, but all right, I'll go ahead and set up a fallback or two. Microphone in case it does happen to work?"

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"It'd have to not only work but be able to send signal through Hogwarts, but all right."

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"As long as it's creating a record at all, can't you conjure for it?"

 

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"...yes. This is just a nonstandard way to bug someone. Apparatus amended." He waves his hand.

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"Thank you. I feel very looked-after. And a circle for the angel -'

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Circle!

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He summons her once they're out of Hogwarts.

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"Hello again!"

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"Hi! I'm going to go meet somebody to run some experiments on the interactions of magic and daeva invulnerability. It's probably safe, but I would like to have a plan to leave if he decides he is disinclined to let me without a lesson in summoning. The fastest way of doing a distress signal we could think of was to have someone on hand and snap the binding if there's any kind of trouble. Can you, like, safely-for-the-inhabitants turn the roof of a house to air?"

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"Sure, unless it's structurally important somehow..."

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They have a demon. They can make a scale model of the house - "Unless structural importance wouldn't show up on a small model, somehow..."

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"...not an architect..." She deroofs the model.

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Nothing collapses. "I think in an emergency that'd be better than not doing that. ...assuming all goes well, I was thinking I could repay you with a trip to London, sightsee for a little while?"

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"Ooh, that sounds fun - can I have a camera for it -"

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"Sure - let's keep it a subtle camera, they don't exist yet - do you know a model -"

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She does; it can be made to look like spectacles.

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Then the demon can make it for her, and Timothy can make her invisible - "this won't fool wizards up close, but if you want to fly around somewhere you can drop into range, it'll be safe enough for that -"

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She nods.

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And he heads in.

 There are footsteps. There's a squeaky gate. The microphone continues to work fine.

             "Way. It really has been too long. You're all grown up."

"You said that last time, too."

             "I was lying to you."

"Yes, you were."

              "You always were a clever boy."

"That's how I remember it, too," Timothy says amiably. 

             "Who's your friend?"

"I suppose you wouldn't believe me if I claimed not to know his name."

              "I suppose I wouldn't."

"You don't need to know it, though. I want you to kill him for me."

 

 

               "Not all that grown up, then."

"Is that the mark of a man?"

               "It's an important milestone."

"I'm saving it for marriage."

              Laughter.

Timothy doesn't join in. 

               "It's the mark of a man to be willing to do his own work, at least." 

"I apparently don't want him dead evilly enough. I did try. It was embarrassing, or would have been if there'd been surviving witnesses."

               "- come on in and explain yourself."

"Gladly."

 

Shuffling and coughing and -

"He can't be damaged by conventional means. You can stun him, but he wakes up in forty seconds or so. You can deprive him of sleep but he doesn't get past mildly exhausted. You can starve him but he doesn't get very hungry. You can try to slit his throat, any kind of weapon, you'll get a shallow little cut.

The other Unforgivables work fine."

             "Who is he?"

"Muggle. The ritual does not have a very good success rate, yet, but this one was a success. Coloration changes aren't a consequence of the ritual, they're an adverse reaction to trying eighty times the lethal dose of the Draught of Living Death."

             "What happened to Azkaban?"

"It's on the Moon. Look with a good telescope."

              "Why?"

"I said I'd give you a location, not an explanation."

              "You didn't say you were asking for an Unforgivable."

"In the last few weeks I've cast dozens, and I've dismantled the prison you'd go to if you were ever convicted, and we both know you never would be. What, exactly, are you afraid of?"

              "Imperio."

"I'm all grown up," says Timothy irritably. "You want things from me, you'll have to ask." 

               "I want to know how to do it."

"No. Try again."

               "And if I said you aren't going to leave here without telling me how to do it."

And then a sharp crack, and a cry -

"That could've been your wand," Timothy observes mildly, "but I need you to kill someone for me. You wouldn't say something like that. It is unwise to threaten someone with capabilities you know you don't know."

               "All right, then, I want a promise."

"You have someone here to cast -"

               "No, no, no magic, just your promise as the man you're trying to grow into."

"I see."

              "I want you to remember me as a valued ally to whom you are much indebted."

"I do, and I am."

               "And when you take over the world, I do not want to die and I do not want to be imprisoned and I do not want to be deprived of my health, sanity, memories, or magic."

"Once I take over the world I will expect from all my subjects compliance with my laws. I will not hold against you anything you did before I took over the world, and if you break my rules I won't deprive you of anything more than what's necessary to ensure future law-abiding, how's that?"

                Laughter. "I'll take it." Pause, a sort of thudding sound -

"I told you that wouldn't work."

               "Yes, you did. I am entitled to attempt it myself. Shush." Another thudding sound. A crackling one. A swooshing one. And then - "Avada Kedavra."

"Fascinating," says Timothy neutrally. 

               "Avada Kedavra. Avada Kedavra."

"Thank you."

              "How is it done -"

 "Maybe later."

             "You're miscalculating, because you're a child. A world where people were safe like this would have fewer problems - people take drastic measures because they fear for their lives -"

"I don't want you to die. I don't want anything to die. I might tell you the ritual later, though it hasn't gotten any safer in the last five minutes. I am not going to tell you now."

            "All right, all right. Stay for tea?"

"I don't think so."

 

 

 

 

 

Timothy leaves. He dismisses the demon.

"So," he says, "London?"

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"Okay... are we still indestructible -"

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"Yep, it does absolutely nothing. Wizards who are trying to mess with you would try the mind-control thing, that works fine, but they can't do permanent damage any more than anything else can."

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"Okay, good."

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"Yeah. If you take my arm I can teleport us there -"

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Elbow linkage.

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London!

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The angel is delighted by London and mostly wants to look at churches.

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Of course she does. That's fine, he can take a day off to sort of calm down. And think of Vala-alternatives.

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Eventually the angel is all Londoned out and is due at her friend's party soon.

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Home she goes. 

 

 

Home he goes. 

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Cam is in the main bar area. "I did not expect that guy to not be a creep, or anything," he says, "but wow that guy is a creep."

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"Everything worked? Wasn't sure how to check. He's - possible to have positive-sum interactions with, lots of people are worse."

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"Yeah, it worked. I didn't say he was the worst person ever he's just a creep and I want the world around him to become his moral superior until his entire mode of thought is beyond obsolete."

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Kiss. "That sounds lovely."

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Wing-wrap. "Thought so."

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He leans in. "I didn't think of anything. If there's no one within shouting distance of the door what are you even planning to do -"

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"I can make things farther away than shouting distance. It just becomes much harder to control who knows what's going on."

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"Could get the kid to hold the door and have someone run and get people - and we should ask Maitimo, the adult one, how his parents at this point in the time period would take the news, they were really young themselves..."

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"His world is running at a crawl, but maybe if I hold the door to Hell it'll pull Revelation along with it?"

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"Maybe, yeah - there's obviously something enforcing consistency between the daeva realms and Revelation most of the time..."

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"Worth a shot." He kisses and then unwraps Timothy and goes over to the door to do that.

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They summon a fairy and ask for a ride out to somewhere near Jupiter. They are on their way to Jupiter when he gets the note.

 

That they'd disable summoning in their world and in mine - I guess we need disambiguating names, now - is a risk. No convenient way to check if summoning works in mindreading Arda at all in 1225 or thereabouts, you'd have to go over to Endorë and track down the Dwarves. Easy enough to check if it works in my world but it'd require sending a message to Endorë and then having the door open until someone dies. Vengeance-wise I don't actually think they'd kill you but they might Doom you, ask [a list of names] if they can figure out what if anything the Doom actually did. 

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"...Doom?"

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"Did the Doom not come up? The Valar were pissed off about the ship theft massacre, they cursed all the fleeing Noldor and all who followed them, I went and pointed out that this was very irresponsible if it could extend to other worlds, they narrowed it to a hereditary thing...?"

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"Didn't come up. What was it supposed to do -"

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Cam has the text of it, here it is! Thank you Milliways translation effect!

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"What the fuck."

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"Yeah, don't tell tiny you but my guilt is almost one hundred percent Maiar-based, the Valar sucked."

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"And will probably go right back to sucking - is the Doom still in place, is there a way to check -"

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"No idea, it didn't make them glow ominously or anything so obvious."

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"Huh. Well, I'll go get the people he asked for -"

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Cam steps away from the door but declines to follow Timothy into the yard.

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Tiny Maitimo is sitting on adult Macalaurë's lap and gazing at him adoringly.

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And the designated Elves come in to the bar. "The obvious way to check, I think, is to try to pull the data off a bunch of chips of doomed and non-doomed people, see if there's a difference -"

"Minds're big, you wouldn't be able to tell by looking, but you could probably run a machine learning algorithm on it -"

"With a couple hundred thousand people as samples -"

"Yeah, it won't run overnight -"

"- if you could get the same people, before and after the Doom, that's a simpler inference problem -"

Timothy looks very confused.

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"I can do that if you think it would have directly affected the chips, yes - Timothy do you want me to explain or just round it all to 'magic'?"

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"It seems like it might be a little high-context."

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"If it affected our minds it affected the chips, and the 'bloodlines' thing suggests that it follows specific people, so it'd almost have to affect minds - instead of being some kind of ambient environmental effect -"

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"Given certain assumptions about how magical curses work, sure it'd affect the chips - I'll run some machine learning on it and see what there is to see, anyway."

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They will compare computing systems and methods of doing that while Timothy continues to blink confusedly in the background.

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And eventually the chipreader and associated hardware is whirring away on that.

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He goes to check on the small him. "Are you sure there's no one in yelling range?"

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"There might be people on the road to the city but my parents' workshops are soundproofed so they don't get distracted."

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"Maybe you can hold the door and someone can go interrupt them."

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"It makes them sad when you interrupt them."

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"I think in this case it'll make them happy." He takes his hand.

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He goes back inside.

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...Cam does not bother the tiny Maitimo.

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The tiny Maitimo beams at him and waves. 

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That is painfully adorable. Cam waves back.

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"Timothy says my mommy and daddy will not be sad about being interrupted."

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"...I speak seventy or so languages depending on how you count," Cam mentions.

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" - he will probably find that interesting. And he will want to give me a hug because this place is weird and confusing and I wish I could go home."

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"And you can, as soon as we find him, but you need to be really patient at holding the door, can't get distracted. All right?"

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He nods solemnly.

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And someone goes and fetches a Fëanáro and a Nerdanel.

 

They are visibly younger! The equivalent of a human eighteen or nineteen, maybe, definitely not the ambiguous-mid-twenties of their non-mindreading alts.

They look at the door. They blink.

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Hugs!!!!!!!!

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" - what's this -"

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"This is a magical interdimensional bar."

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" - interdimensional? There are other dimensions? How'd it end up here, who or what are you - you're not Quendi -"

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"I'm a demon, my name is Cam, the door appropriates the locations of doors in other dimensions uncontrollably at random but given the presence of someone from the correct dimension in the bar can be maintained indefinitely. There are a lot of dimensions but we've been concerning ourselves with a handful so far."

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"- I see." Blink.

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"And some of them have alternate universe versions of the same personality." He inclines his head slightly Timothyward.

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"I'm a different species but I'm your son. The Bar can notice when people are alternate universe versions of people and also we are acquainted with another Arda with an adult Nelyafinwë Maitimo who is an alternate universe version of me and also this guy is very much what I remember being like when I was four. - You can meet the my-universe version of yourself in a bit, I sent him a message but time runs strangely within the interdimensional bar."

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"I'm seven."

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"Humans - the kind of person I am - grow up faster."

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"I used to be a human but became a demon when I died."

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"Technically I think I'm significantly younger than your son."

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" - huh. There's a world like ours but in the future? Can I see what we achieve -"

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Cam rummages around for photos of Tirion.

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He and Nerdanel both start cooing over it. "I need a physics textbook."

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"I need a materials science textbook -"

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"That's so so many people!"

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"I assume your world is different in some ways since in this one Elves can't read minds except of each other and specific other species, so other things might be different too, but Quenya's pretty similar far as I can tell and so on... Uh, the bar over there is sapient and has all publications ever and is good at recommending books if you narrow it down well enough."

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Both of his parents are kind of just standing there in shock. 

 

 

"Hi, Bar!"

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Hello! Can I get you anything to drink?

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"...for one thing the lighting is different..."

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He picks up the napkin and frowns at it. What does it say? he asks the bar -

 

And then oooh, yes, I would like a drink, thank you!

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"Can I have my complete publications in the universe that's hundreds of Years ahead of ours? And Fëanáro's -"

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"And Rúmil's and Aulë's and Erulastëon -"

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Some paper and some definitely not paper appears! Tiny Maitimo gets a white beverage in a mug!

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They blink at it.

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" - I guess you're not even ahead of us, yet - Cam, when do they get electricity - wow, my alt's life must have been fascinating - uh, those are computers, my father will tell you the things you need to know to make sense of computers from a not-yet-at-electricity standpoint -"

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Looking... "Looks like 1310?"

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"That's eighty-five Years from now - what's electricity -"

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"I think I like Elves better when they're on even ground with us! Though wow this is so weird - wait, how do you have the chips and not know what electricity is -"

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"Chips?"

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"Non-cyborgness would explain the different mindreading, they might not have chips."

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"- do you, like, die -"

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"Very rarely."

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"The Valar can reshape a body for a soul which has been dispossessed of one but they are not yet very good at it and not all prefer to return."

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Cam checks - "No chips. So we've got cyborg Elves and soul Elves."

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"And just like wizards and daeva weirdly fail to change much about history up through 1800 -"

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"- dear, can you read these?"

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" - I can - guess in most places..."

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"...uh, maybe written Quenya is different, name me something written from your world and I'll have a look -"

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He blinks at him. "I mean - my...notes?"

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Cam conjures up the latest pageful. "...no this is totally legible without the bar translating it into my native language for me, and I only know cyborg-Quenya, is it a vocabulary problem -?"

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"It's mostly a vocabulary problem -"

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"And I'm just not very good with the letters yet, haven't had much time to practice since the baby was born..."

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...blink. "Uh..."

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"My fault," he says a little defensively of her, "I kept changing them around."

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"...changing... them... around?"

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" - the letters? I wanted to get it right but it made it hard for anyone else to learn - I wanted to have made up my mind before I tried teaching Nelyafinwë -"

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"Are you saying you invented the alphabet."

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"Yes. A couple Years ago, and I've been tweaking it since - I had you make my notes because they are as far as I know the only written works in the world -"

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"I could be wrong but I think if your alt had invented the alphabet this would have come up at some point."

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"They have writing, yes?"

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"Yes, and the same letters."

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" - well, that's strange. Anyway, it's a good thing you didn't find us a few years sooner or we'd be illiterate and that'd be very embarrassing. As it is we're just - still learning to read things, and don't know any of the vocabulary..."

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"Well, you'll pick it up with more to practice on than whatever you happen to be taking notes about, I imagine."

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He nods. "We have to hold this door open to continue having interdimensional bar access?"

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" - yes and also there are a couple complications you should know about, though maybe they're not best for small ears -"

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Having to have all your conversations out loud must be terribly inconvenient.

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There are spells for it. Uh. Am I doing this right?

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I can hear you fine but you're probably not including your friend, I don't know how that'd work - I can bounce things to him?

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"I think I'd rather just use conversation privacy spells, if you don't mind? It's less weird. 

 

Um.

 

The Valar need to not parole Melkor. In the other Arda they parole him and he goes back to Endorë and starts a war and kills and tortures hundreds of millions of people."

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"It might not actually be nearly as bad for you since you're not cyborgs, but that's just scope-limiting, not prohibitive."

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...they look at each other confusedly. 

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"Okay. We'll warn them."

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"In the other timelines the Fëanáro and his children go off to Endorë to fight him. It's - there are no real prospects of winning. Maitimo is captured."

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"The Valar -"

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"All of this happened in less than a Year, the Valar had yet to decide what to do. Also they were angry with - there'd been a massacre over the lightleapers to get to Endorë -"

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"Lightleapers?"

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He looks helplessly at Cam.

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"Vehicles that can go between planets in five days. Your alt invented the technology for that, that did come up."

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"'planets' and 'vehicles' and 'technology' are all new vocabulary. Okay. Tell the Valar not to parole Melkor -"

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"No, it's more complicated than that. The - alternate universe version of you - Melkor offered them a deal. He would - stop hurting people - and he was hurting so many people - he would swear never to do any of it again - does your kind of Elf have the oaths thing -"

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" - yes -"

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Cam considers leaving the room. He settles for appearing a cup of coffee and looking away, tail twitching.

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"He swore very thoroughly to stop, forever. If we would destroy Valinor.

 

 

There was - a way to resurrect the Elves who'd die. So. Your alt decided it was worth it. And it worked. The war was over, Melkor can never do evil again. But the rest of the Valar and all of the Maiar who lived in Valinor are dead."

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"You -"

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He shivers violently.

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Conversational privacy does not stop him from noticing this and looking alarmed!

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"We are hoping your Valar might be able to fix it. But they made a lot of really terrible decisions, in the other Arda, and we'd harm lots of people by asking for their help if they're going to make the same bad decisions."

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"They made bad decisions! 'Upset because of a massacre' - what massacre - how do you even do that -"

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"You can go get the whole story from the alternate universe versions of you who were there. The you is in room 4230," he says to Nerdanel, "and there are ten of you in 113."

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" - ten of me?"

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"Chip thing. They wanted to invent a non-Milliways method of travelling between worlds and they thought they'd get it faster that way."

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They look at each other and then take hands and head up the stairs.

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He curls up in a ball against the bar and starts very quietly crying.

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"Hey, it's okay, don't cry."

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"Don't lie."

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"I am not going to let things not be okay. You're - look, when you have as many people as there are in that picture of the city, you have to delegate some things, you can't be personally responsible for everything. I think you should delegate this particular thing."

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"This is not a thing you are equipped to solve. You will be someday and you'll be so good at it but you don't need to be yet."

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"...I want to solve it. Even if it wasn't my resonsility and it is because Valinor is my home and I have to keep it safe and these people are my people and they trust me -"

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"There are lots and lots of worlds out there and lots of people who would be our people if we knew them and all of them need your help and there is only so much of you. Your Valinor's safe. It'll be safe forever. I promise. - want to help me interview demons who want to adopt children from 1802 orphanages?"

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Aww.

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"Orphanages?"

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"- my world is not as nice as Valinor and some kids had both their parents die and they don't have anyone to take care of them, and there's another world that doesn't have kids at all but some of the people in it might want to be parents - Cam did we get any mail while Hell wasn't going at a crawl -"

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"...form thank-you-note from the poppy gardens."

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"I wanted to ask him why - there are a lot of things magic can help with - but it seemed - rude, like I'd be claiming I had the authority to decide if his reasons were good enough or not - anyway, it's good it didn't work but I felt badly for him."

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Nod.

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"Looks like there're no people to interview yet, kiddo. You want to go sing with the Elves some more?"

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He scampers off. 

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"Still need an answer on whether dead summoners daevafy outside Revelation before it's even worth considering bringing the Valar in."

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"Yes, but at least now waiting for that information doesn't involve sequestering a little kid from his parents."

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"Yeah." Sigh. "Any results on the mysterious not-magic thing that checks whether the Doom affects chips?"

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Cam checks the report from his machine learning boxes upstairs. "...yes and it does."

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" - so what does that imply -"

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"It implies the Valar are big on mind control?"

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"I don't think we should let them anywhere near a universe that has been rid of them."

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"Maybe sense can be talked into them, maybe soul-Elves have a better class of Valar, maybe the New Valinor population would rather have them back anyway..."

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"They didn't just block summoning on Valinor, though, right, they blocked it in the entire universe -"

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"Yes. If they're going to do that they're unaffordable. But if they can be talked out of it..."

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"Is there a way to tell what the mind control did -"

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"Not without much better than state of the art chip code interpretation."

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" - they deserve to know - we should write them -"

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"First I should run another check, see if it's still in effect with the Valar gone."

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Nod.

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He can program that in remotely. He does so.

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He sits there and fiddles absently with the note from Bar that his alt couldn't read.

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There are lots of people by the lake. They know his name and he doesn't know theirs; it is a little upsetting.

He kind of wants his parents to hug him for a long time but he doesn't tell anyone this because they would judge his parents for being neglectful and the way to avoid that is to make it seem like what his parents are doing is exactly what he wants. 

He doesn't even know what his parents are doing.

He asks someone to teach him to read. 

 

 

 

 

A while later some more people walk out by the lake and he doesn't know them so he goes over. He chants the letters in his head while he goes so he won't forget them and make the person who was teaching him feel as if it was wasted time.

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"A kid!" exclaims Amriac. "A little one! Oh wow it's so cute! Can they talk yet that size -"

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" - hi! I'm Nelyafinwë Maitimo. Well, the new one. It's all very confusing."

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"You can talk! You're so cute how are you so cute!"

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"Kids learn to talk when they're, like, one, and if this is a Timothy maybe sooner, he's like four -"

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"I'm seven. But the worlds are different in some ways so I might be four of yours, I really couldn't say."

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"I mean smaller kids can talk on TV but, like, so can cats."

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"I don't know what TV is, my world just invented writing and now it is inventing everything else probably because my parents are finding the other thems."

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"TV's like writing for sound and pictures instead of words."

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Questioning expression. Then he sends her the whole interaction between the grownups which they used magic to make him unable to hear.

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"...that's some kinda telepathy, not TV."

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"Oh. What makes it not TV?"

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"It's not a recording. Like, uh," she conjures up a device and it starts playing a video recording of an orchestra. Elf eyes can pick her out in the third row with a flute.

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"Woooooooooooah."

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Amriac grins.

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He bounces over to her. "I like you! You're so amazing! What's your name?"

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"I'm Amriac!"

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"Hi!!! Are you a demon? Cam said he was and he has wings like yours."

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"Mine have claws and are a totally different color," objects Amriac. "But yes I'm a demon."

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"Well I've never met anyone else with wings at all so I do not have very refined taste. Claws are cool, though. Hi. I'm an Elf. There are soul Elves and cyborg Elves and I am a soul Elf. And I talk."

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"I noticed you talk," agrees Amriac. "I never met a little kid before so I guess we're even."

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"Really? Never? No one has any?"

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"Nah, demons start out as grownups unless they start out as humans and then they don't wind up in Hell till they're older."

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"That's so weird! The first Elves started as grownups but all the Elves after that start as little babies! And then we get big! It's good because if I were big and didn't know anything people wouldn't like me but I'm little so it's cute."

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"Oh, new daeva are popular enough, people like teaching even of full size people."

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"Oh good. I think I'd like teaching people."

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"It's not my thing but people get super into it."

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"I was learning how to read but then I saw people and wanted to meet them instead because people are more important. Hi," he adds to Michael.

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"Hi. I'm Michael - uh, when your parents have another kid, it will be a me. Unless all this drama changes their plans somehow, I'm not sure how that works."

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"Michael. It is nice to meet you. I hope I get you as a brother."

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"Nice to meet you too. My brother might be that neurotic about people liking him but he doesn't act it. What a silly thing to be neurotic about."

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"I don't know that word."

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"If I wasn't cute and entertaining it'd be terrible if I didn't know anything because people wouldn't want to be around me? It's the word for that thing. I have it about music but at least that's not a stupid thing to have it about."

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"Neurotic," he says carefully. "Responsive - responsib - responsibity. ility. Responsiveibility? Neurotic."

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" ...pretty much fucking exactly, yeah."

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"Well, it is cute, though, look at him he's so little - teeny little kiddo -"

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He beams at Amriac. "I like you! I like demons! I don't think Cam likes me very much but that's because I read his mind by accident."

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"Oh like he has room to judge, he killed like fifty-five million people."

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Blink.

"He killed people?

 

 

 

How many is a million?"

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"Uh, a thousand thousand?"

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He wrinkles up his nose in confusion.

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"Uh, here's a grain of rice," she makes one between her fingertips, "and here's a million of 'em -"

It's a big heap.

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" - people usually don't tell small kids about bad things -"

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He is examining the pile of rice very very seriously. "...fifty five?"

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"- they don't? Why?" Amriac asks Michael. "I think it was fifty-five. It's rounding, I don't know if it's rounding up or down."

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He takes a piece of rice off the pile and studies it very carefully and then puts it on the ground next to him.

 

He takes another one.

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" - because, like, children are emotionally immature? They don't know how to cope with stuff and they can't regulate their emotions - kiddo what are you doing -"

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"I think I don't really understand how many of them so I am taking each one and imagining it a house and a family and a favorite kind of sweet and an opinion about dogs and when I have done them all then I think I will understand.

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"...ooooooor they do that, I guess. I don't think most small children would do that."

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"Eternal fucking void, why are you doing that, that's, no," says Amriac, "don't do that -"

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He takes another piece of rice and sets it down next to the first two. He looks up, hurt - "sorry. Why - why not -"

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"There's a million of 'em, you will be here for years trying to do that, and it's the saddest fucking thing -"

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Nod. "But then I'll understand and I think it's an important thing to understand, a million."

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"It's a heap of rice that big, don't invent a million opinions on dogs or I think I'm gonna cry."

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"Don't cry," he says automatically. "Maybe you can imagine a million just from the rice but I'm trying and it's not working. I don't know if there are a million opinions on dogs, some of them might be repeats. ...it'd be better if I could know the real people -"

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"I am newly appreciative that the adult one is at all functional, oh my god."

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"You don't have to get a real good sense of a million, it's just, it's a lot, that's - that's all I was getting at -"

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"I'm supposed to be a prince, people trust me, they can't trust me if I don't - think about things because they're big and I don't understand them -"

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"How about we go flying, I bet I can carry you on my broomstick even though you're a Muggle."

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"He's got a broom that flies," says Amriac, distractedly composing another letter with the salutation Cam you fuckhead. "It's magic. It's lovely if you can't have your own wings."

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"Accio broomstick." And he firmly scoops up the tiny Timothy and takes off with him. The tiny Timothy makes a not-entirely-pleased noise into his robes but that's okay - zoom zoom -

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He's checking up on the condition of everyone who needs to die-already-so-they-know-about-daevafying and -

" - what happened -"

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"Amriac, who has never met a small child in her entire life and understands them only as a sort of fictitious creature, met tiny you, and it just happened to come up in conversation that, oh, Cam killed fifty-five million people, and he didn't know what a million was and 'a thousand thousand' didn't cut it so she made a heap of rice and he was trying to go through all of the rice one a time imagining backstories for everybody before Michael kidnapped him for a broomstick ride."

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"- I wonder if I should give him Maitimo's actual file..."

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"Maybe. Save him some time."

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"Amriac doesn't know you can bring them back."

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"She didn't make a heap of fifty-five million grains of rice."

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"We're gonna find a way to get everyone back."

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"Hopefully, yeah."

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"What does Amriac think she's - I should ask Michael -"

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Sigh. He walks over to Cam and puts an arm around him. "By being in the bar when my tiny self walked in you stopped the whole war. Another Arda, and - none of it will ever happen."

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Lean. "I know."

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"I know you weren't short of - things like that. But. Can't really accumulate too many. 

 

 

If the Valar insist on talking to you about it, will you at least - explain all of the precautions you took and all of the alternatives you considered and - defend yourself -"

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"I don't have a deathwish; I'm averse to defending myself when it's my mood on the line but to alts of the Valar while they're figuring out what to do with me, yes, sure."

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"Thank you. I -

- I was checking on our Muggles -"

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"Yeah?"

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"EIther way it's not going to be conclusive for Arda.We - are probably going to want to know that before we talk to any Valar."

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"Yeah. I sent them instructions, they'll have humans and Dwarves on Endorë doing it now."

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"That's good. I think I'm going to go yell at Michael for a bit, it'll make me feel better."

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"Have fun."

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He goes outside.

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He is broomstick-riding with the kid. The kid is crying.

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Amriac is watching an ex-heap of rice smolder.

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"There's - a lot of context on what he did, if you're curious," he says to her.

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"I didn't mean to make the kid cry."

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"I didn't think you did. Kids cry pretty easily, it's okay, he'll bounce back. But if you're going to be telling people about it you should at least have all the information."

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"I know he was ending a war."

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"You can upload Elves. Off their chips. Make a thousand copies, torture them all, make it millions of millions of subjective years...."

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"That was in the thing I read too. Tell the Elves not to sell their souls."

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"I think they know. The point is, I have no idea how to explain it to a four-year-old. And it matters."

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"I don't know how four year olds work!"

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"Why'd you tell Cam how he took it, to make him feel bad?"

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"He was making that kid feel all judged for being psychic!"

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"The kid's from another Arda. It has the magic gods too. They might be able to bring back the dead people but we have no idea what they'll do to Cam."

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"Like, what, try him for war crimes?"

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"They kept Melkor locked up in 'the Void' alone for 3000 years. I don't know if there was a trial first. I don't know if they could take the powers away."

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"I don't think I'm gonna be called to testify."

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"Nope. But if you're giving him a hard time because you think he's not having enough of one, you could. Stop."

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"I'm not carefully calibrating how hard of a time he should be having, why would anyone do that."

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"What were you hoping to get out of sending him messages about children crying over a million grains of rice?"

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"Leave me alone."

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"I came out here to talk to Michael, but I guess I can flag him down -" and he sends an airplane after the broom.

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It takes the airplane a while to catch up with him. When he notices it, though, he turns around and circles back to the ground.

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"Hi," Timothy says to Maitimo. "I have a list with all of their names and faces, if you want that instead of making things up."

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"I - oh. Yeah. I want that."

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"- the fuck."

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"I object to telling people half the story. You bring it up at all, they get the whole damn picture."

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"You object to people making Cam sad."

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"Cam's sad anyway, I object to people rubbing salt in it because they're curious what excruciating facial expression he'll make this time."

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"Have you looked at this list of all the people?"

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"Yeah. Our alts helped, Michael. My alt helped and he grew up there and he knew them and I think he really would rather have handed himself over to Morgoth for eternal torture but - but he wasn't prepared to hand billions of people over to that, and neither was yours, and neither was Dad's - they were there, and they're us, so it's exactly what you would have done in their place -"

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....now he's definitely crying. And clinging. 

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"The other set of Valar might be able to fix it but the problem is that the Valar will probably disable summoning, might murder Cam, and apparently do 'collective mind-control' as punishment for things and I am guessing this is not a complete list of their drawbacks as a resurrection solution."

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" - I mean, before Cam holed the planet, there were Valar, summoning was disabled, and the mind-control was a thing? And if someone had said to Cam 'instead you can push this button that ends the war exactly like you holed the planet but no one dies and none of those other things happen' -"

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" - yeah but we've got Milliways now, we might be able to do better."

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"Good luck with that."

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"Are you going to cheer him up now -" gesturing at sobbing toddler - "this was your fault."

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"I'm going to try to explain things to him because he did it and if he's going to know anything about it he needs to know enough to understand why."

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"He's you, I'll take your word for it."

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He takes Timothy's hand and allows himself to be led away.

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"I didn't mean to make the kid cry."

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"I know. It's okay. Kids cry over all kinds of stuff - they're hungry, they want their mom, they don't want to clean up their room, they want some other kid's toy - it doesn't mess them up. He'll be fine."

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"Okay." Lean.

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Lean. Hug. "Timothy's just scared they're gonna kill Cam, he doesn't actually think any of this is your fault. I can tell him to apologize if you want."

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"They can't actually, can they?"

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"I have no idea what magic gods can do. Holing them worked, so - maybe not? ...they can do, like, memory tampering stuff, so they could probably just erase him..."

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"Yeah we should definitely be off in Ireland with the door to Milliways closed while there are any god shenanigans, they sound fucked up."

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"Dragons probably don't start crying if you say stuff to them."

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"I have never heard of such a thing." Hug.

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Snuggle.

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"Wanna head out for dragons?"

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"Yeah, let's go see the dragons."

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So he goes looking around for someone to hold the door. 

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Miranda's in her room and willing to relocate.

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Then they can head off the grounds again and fly for Ireland!

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He doesn't want to ask Cam for the list, so he lets the kid borrow his own computer. The kid can't read. He tries reading it to him and tracing letters as he goes but that doesn't work because they don't share a language. Maitimo is snuggled on his lap frowning at the computer when Cam comes in.

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Cam comes down the stairs, observes tiny Maitimo, and turns right around.

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...is he mad at me? he says to Timothy, wriggling farther into Timothy's robes.

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"No."

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How do I fix it?

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"Uh. How about you write him a note, are you good enough at writing to do that yet?"

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He shakes his head gravely.

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"So maybe find someone who speaks Quenya and get them to teach you how to write well enough you can write him a note, and then you can say - whatever you'd want to say, if I coach you it won't help."

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"Maybe when I'm done with all the names."

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"That's going to be a really long time."

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"Everyone keeps saying that."

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He goes back to reading him names.

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"...what happened?"

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"Amriac told this kid, who is me as an Elf again but tiny, that Cam killed fifty-five million people. He - wanted to get a feel for what a million was, so she made him a million grains of rice, and then he started naming them all so he'd know, and this freaked out Amriac pretty badly so she sent a message to Cam about it and now he's miserable and now Michael's taken Amriac out to go play with dragons and the kid, being a me, wants to know everyone who died and my other Elf alt, also being a me, does know and has a file of them."

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"...well that's a mess."

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"Yep."

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"Do dictation quills care what language you're speaking?"

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"I'm not sure - or how that'd interact with Milliways - guess we could try it -" He pulls one out. "Do you want to say something to Cam?"

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"...please don't be sad, I promise I will fix the bad thing and make everyone happy?"

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The quill appears to have captured this in English, at least when Timothy's looking at it. "You," he says to Miranda, "are a genius."

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"I know."

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"We're debating whether to bring the new set of Valar through to fix the first Arda."

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"Does that invalidate the oath at all, if they stop being dead?"

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"Nope, it was phrased to cover that."

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"That's good. So then the only problem is if they do something extraneous..."

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"Last time they made summoning impossible, and that was even before a daeva had hurt anyone. They seem likely to do that again and we're waiting on learning whether Dwarf and human summoners from there daevafy because if they do, we can't let them do it. They also apparently mind-controlled all of the Elves as punishment for the ship theft massacre - we don't know what they did exactly, but what they said they'd do was make all things they attempted end in ruin and bring about treason and the fear of treason amongst them. 

 

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"Last one isn't prohibitive by itself."

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"I bet there's a better solution out there somewhere."

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"We don't have a way to look, we can only wait."

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"We don't have a way to look yet, the Elves're developing one."

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"I hope they're fast."

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"Me too. But they're Elves."

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"Yeah. I'm actually starting to worry about looking older than we should by the time we've let enough time pass to be due back home, let alone start another school year - I'm reading next year's textbooks in case it winds up making sense to skip a year -"

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"Yeah. - Valar can slow or possibly halt aging, too -"

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"Ooh."

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"They'd be really useful if they didn't suck."

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"My world's Valar are nice. They don't do any of the mean things you said."

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"Have we actually checked if the Valar are all alts and not just members of the species?"

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"- don't think so, no - and his set did tell the populace how to not be mindread by them constantly, that's something..."

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"I assume you have the names memorized..."

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"What's your set, Maitimo?"

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"Manwë and Varda and Irmo and Estë and Mandos and Vairë and Aulë and Yavanna and Tulkas and Nessa and Oromë and Vaná and Nienna and Ulmo. And Melkor, I guess."

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"Those match."

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"...well, drat."

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"Yeah."

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"We should... ask tiny Maitimo's parents how they are as people, maybe."

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"Yeah. They're getting the whole story of the war from their alts right now."

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"But even if they're nice, if they bring back the other ones..."

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"Yeah."

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"We don't have any way to predict them, do we, even interviewing their alts who might be better."

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"Nope. We would be letting arbitrarily powerful very dubiously benevolent entities into Milliways and hoping they just put their planet back and don't, like, deliberate for a hundred years and then lead a retaliatory war against Hell."

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"...ah-huh."

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"We'll find something better."

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He is being very quiet.

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"You okay, Maitimo?"

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" - no?"

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"What's the matter?"

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"It sounds like kind of a lot of things."

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"...well, can we help you feel better about any of them?"

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"I don't think how I feel about them is the problem."

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"...well, when that happens to me I write about it but that won't work for you."

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"I'm trying to learn but it's hard because we don't speak the same languages."

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"The other Elves speak Quenya."

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"Yeah, I could go ask them. But I can't take Timothy's computer, right?"

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"I need my computer but I can get you another one."

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"Okay."

 

And off he goes.

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"If you happen to have ideas on what might be helpful to Cam -"

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"Inspiring a four year old to solve all the multiverse's problems isn't it."

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"Yes, I know. Coaching him to say 'that conversation went completely over my head and I have no idea what's going on but demons are cool!' wouldn't have been the right thing to do either though."

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"Yeah."

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"You do know that Cam's thing is making a point of not obliging other people to manage his emotions."

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"Yes, I do. Which is why I can't just ask him. The evil idiot gods who caused this entire nightmare in the first place are possibly going to murder him over it and I am not going to have him spend the interim fleeing from small children and looking only marginally better than he did with a Dementor around."

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"I don't think he's scared of tiny Maitimo, I think he didn't want to scare tiny Maitimo."

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"Tiny Maitimo asked me if he'd done something wrong. The reason he wants to fix things is because the things are making the people in his presence sad and all he knows is that that's really bad, he's four, he doesn't have any concept of what the world should be like more sophisticated than 'these people around me should not be suffering' -"

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"If you tell Cam to fake it for tiny Maitimo he can probably do that... well, I don't know how sophisticated you were when you were four, maybe not quite..."

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"I don't know either. Okay. Thank you." 

 

And he goes upstairs.

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Okay. 

 

He pulls out his computer and tries to figure out how to send large files to other computers.

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It is not all that hard.

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Computers are really confusing. 

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Cam mumbles in his sleep.

Eventually he stops doing that.

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He should've given him a potion for nightmares.

 

He occasionally twitches his wand so the blankets will wrap Cam up more cozily.

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They're very cozy blankets with demonically amazing threadcount. Cam stretches out under them.

"Hey."

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"Hey. Sorry, if I woke you. I needed a break."

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"You didn't wake me. What's been going on?"

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"The small me is learning to read from an Elf because it turns out it's hard to teach someone to read if you don't speak or read their language, even with Milliways translating. Michael and Amriac went to Ireland to bother the dragons, Miranda's holding the door. The Elf sets are hanging out and presumably catching up the ones who just invented writing; I'm guessing it hasn't been very long for them because they would at some point go check on their tiny child."

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"Has anyone explained to them that time may pass differently for their tiny child."

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"Don't know, I'll message them -"

He does that.

"Tiny child wrote you a message which I doubt you'll find helpful but I didn't want to tell him what to say."

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...Cam conjures the message.

"Wow," he says.

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"Sorry. He means well."

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"That definitely comes through."

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"And it probably pretty much works for 'em, psychologically? They're all immortal and their world is pretty great and the only other world they know of is 25 lightyears off but everyone there is immortal too, and they invent their way along and then everything's post-scarcity and he could have pretty much gone until the war started without 'I am personally responsible for everyone I come across or hear about' being unhealthy as a habit. I think it will be good for him, losing it sooner."

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"Is he losing it? This doesn't look like that."

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"I was expecting it to take more than a few hours."

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"I suppose that's fair."

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Hug.

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"I wonder if I could Imperio a Vala."

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"I don't recommend it, as there's fourteen of them and they might not like it."

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"There's only one in the later Arda."

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"Oh, that one. That... would be interesting, but would want some testing of interaction with oaths and you'd have to avoid tripping the self-defense allowance."

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"How's the self-defense allowance worded?"

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He reads through it. "So I couldn't make him harm himself or his friends, or give him reason to think I'm doing that, but - asking him to grab the Maiar back seems like it shouldn't count..."

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"The curse itself might constitute harm. The wording holds, but where there is wiggle room it's about the swearer's intent, as I understand it."

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"He'd also have to obligingly have an identifiable physical location."

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"What's he been up to since the end of the war?"

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"He doesn't send me postcards."

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"Whyever not." Sigh.

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Snuggle. "It's a good idea, it might come to something, it's just not implementable instantly."

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"I suppose nothing's urgent, is it. The Elves'll be happy to stay here five years, why wouldn't they be, as Earth counts time tiny Maitimo's already seventy. We're waiting on people dying. We can -take as long as we need, have it all planned out..."

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He doesn't look like he believes it. 

"Perhaps this is why immortal people pick up so many hobbies. I feel like I'm just going to drive myself spare trying and failing to think of better solutions."

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"This is why I play the violin. I didn't start anything that I wanted to learn in a formal setting that was incompatible with summons till my parents died, so med school waited, but violin I was willing to self-teach."

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Squeeze. "Those must have been such frustrating summons -"

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Snuggle. "I got used to it, but yeah."

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"I'm really looking forward to hearing about the Elves's adventures in Revelation, maybe they can end the gagging thing."

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"I'm really surprised it's lasted this long; maybe they can."

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"Stupidity is very persistent."

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"I've noticed."

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And when Cam next checks their mail they will both have notes that say - "can you come verify a few points of confusion about the world?"

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" - that's vague..."

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"A bit, yes." Cam unsnuggles to head for the relevant room.

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"Hello," says one of the older Fëanáros, distinguishable from the new one by the clothes and the confidence at the computer he's flicking through. "They think their world is flat."

"The world is flat," Fëanáro and Nerdanel say in unison.

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Cam makes their planet.

"Their world is, uh, apparently, flat," he says, watching oceans slosh in the plate-sized thing in his hand.

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"How is it lit -"

"The Trees!"

"Your world is lit by trees?"

"The Trees."

"Like - green, leafy, biological -"

"They're magic, Yavanna made them, there's Laurelin and Telperion -"

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Cam sets the planet down. "Not appearing in this model because they're magic, I guess. Laurelin and Telperion were the names of the stars in the binary system around which Definitely Not Flat Valinor orbited."

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"It wouldn't even hold together that way," whimpers one of the Definitely Not Flat Valinor Fëanáros. "What reprehensibly nonsensical -"

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"At this size it holds without magic but maybe full size it needs - help -"

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"The Valar made it?"

"Yeah."

"Did they say why they made it flat?"

"No - we weren't aware that that's not typical -"

"Is Endorë also flat?"

Confused blinks. "Endorë's right there," Nerdanel says helpfully, pointing at a continent on Cam's plate.

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"This here isn't Valinor, it's Valinor and then some?"

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"It's the whole world. That's Valinor -" pointing, "that's the Helcaraxë, that's Endorë, there's Cuivienen..."

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"...okay, found another difference between the worlds, I suppose. I can, uh, personally verify that in the other world with Elves planets are consistently spherical and Endorë is its own one."

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"- weird."

"No," says one of the chip Elves, "yours is definitely the weird one."

"Oh, I believe that," he says. "But - why the difference, why would so much else be the same..."

"What's gravity like near the edges, what's gravity like in orbit - can you put things in orbit at all -"

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"You're not allowed to go to the edges." She kisses her husband. "We did anyway, but it wasn't very exciting, just rock and eventually it's too hard to keep climbing."

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"Do you have stars?"

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They nod. "Varda made them. But you can't see them in Valinor, the Trees are too bright."

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"Are the stars spherical, or don't you know -"

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"Don't know - how would we check -"

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"I thought maybe Varda would have mentioned or something, if she made them; if you can't see them it would certainly be hard to verify - the Trees are just sort of on all the time, no night?"

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"They take turns." Mental impression of what this is like.

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"Okay, so the stars are mysterious, they are possibly not spherical since if they are that would normally be for the same reason as planets are..."

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"I could ask Varda - or Aulë'd be more convenient -"

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"...could you maybe postpone that, Vala attention on Milliways seems potentially hard to steer."

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"Yes."

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"Thanks."

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"Do you - if there are that many differences, could our Valar even help your world -"

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"Don't know. And it's possible summoning works as an immortality patch for Dwarves and humans there, still waiting on results of that, and if they re-forbade summoning that would be bad."

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" - Dwarves have an afterlife, Aulë definitely mentioned that."

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"...they don't have chips, which is how that works for Elves in Spherical Planets World, but maybe he worked something out..." Do Dwarves happen to be writing anything posthumously.

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Nope. 

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That would have been more compact, but are they doing anything else posthumously - drawing maybe -

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Yep! Dwarves on the flat planet have posthumous drawings.

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"Okay yours do -" And how about spherical planet Dwarves.

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Nope.

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"And ours don't."

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"- I think our Aulë would help. If he could."

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"He never told us that planets should be round, though, I would have really found that useful and interesting!"

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"Possible your world has weird physics like Fairyland or Heaven."

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"I'm mostly surprised Eru did not intervene."

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"Except for appearing humans right next to some orcs midwar he didn't do anything."

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They glance at each other and then shrug.

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"Anything else I can clarify for you?"

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"What are you planning to do?"

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"Don't know yet. Not unilaterally up to me, anyway, is it?"

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"With all due respect, it sounds like if it isn't that's mostly as a courtesy."

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"I mean, if you really wanted to you could go out your door while I wasn't nearby and get ahold of a Vala and rely on categorically-sufficient Bar security to contain me if I attempted to retaliate, but I wasn't planning to make it an issue of who can coerce whom."

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"No, I - we don't have enough information to evaluate any of this. I take it it will take a long time before we do. We'll get help from our world if you advise it, but I'd have to do Years and Years of reading to come to any kind of independent evaluation and I cannot read. Yet."

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"...and it doesn't seem likely the Valar will be pleased with you, so it'd be inappropriate for other people to endanger you -"

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"I could get you a text to speech thingy."

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"It's really something I should pick up anyway. I just mean, we shouldn't be deciding this."

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Sigh. "Timothy recently came up with a wizard-magic-based idea that might or might not pan out with more thought; I'm cautiously optimistic that something in that general direction will do the trick without being as - clumsy - as inviting Valar into the situation."

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"If it happens that there are no accessible solutions which don't endanger me, endangering me as much as necessary is fine, I'm not planning to insist on criminal justice proceedings appropriate to my native world or anything. But if summoning works as an immortality patch in spherical-planets-Arda that affects more people than are currently on the line."

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"What would your home world's solution entail -"

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"I'd be entitled to the services of at least one legal expert, various people would be called upon to remark on my likelihood to recidivize and my character and my extenuating circumstances and the technicalities of my arrest, the most impartial feasible evaluators would be empowered to hand down a verdict and sentence and to commute that sentence if they so chose, and the harshest punishment available would in my case be being summoned under a binding preventing me from doing anything illegal or leaving a specified area, at least if they expected me to comply with a summon."

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"I don't think it would be immediately obvious to the Valar why that would be a reasonable thing to do but maybe one could reason with them? I don't know if it'll come up often enough that we need a process, how big is the multiverse..."

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"I didn't keep asking Bar after she said there were more than an octillion worlds."

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" - so enough that we actually probably should have some kind of principled handling, then, but that doesn't mean the Valar would be convinceable."

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"I didn't talk to mine very much."

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"Aulë is kind and generous and knowledgeable and has no idea at all how incarnates work. You can teach him, but he doesn't learn like us either. But he made the Dwarves, and they're well-designed people with good lives, and he didn't cause trouble about Fëanáro running away from home - my guess is that he would take some time - less than either of us - to study all the facts and then he would want to go set everything right but he might need the others and they might be less reasonable."

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"I do not know how they come to group decisions but the group decisions included 'subtle mind control curse on a bunch of people including their children'..."

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"Yep, that's worrying. Of course, so is a fight over starboats that kills twenty thousand people -"

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"More than that many were dying in Endorë every day. And it wasn't a curse to  - not behave like that, or anything, it was to fail -"

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"I'm still waiting for my machine learning algorithm to tell me if it's still in effect."

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The newcomers look very confused. 

"We should put together a book for alts who don't know anything yet," says a chip Elf.

"I know some things," he says. "And you should see Nerdanel's sculptures."

"I bet the future can do that," she says. "Won't be impressive at all - Cam, can you make the sculpture I made of Maitimo last year, it's in the garden..."

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"Right here? Should I scale it or will it be okay full size?"

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"Full size, definitely, or you lose most of the effect."

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Sculpture.

"...awww."

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He is standing there tugging at the hem of his shirt and looking around, exquisitely realistic, a perfect image of the little Elf outside. 

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"Yep, we can do that. Holograph would be lower fidelity but you could 3-d print it - how do you get the temperatures right -"

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"Rocks with different specific heats."

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" - yeah, I think we'd have to use heating elements, for that part -"

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"She does it with just stone and a chisel," he says smugly, and glances adoringly at her.

 

The chip Elves are uncomfortable.

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"Anyway."

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"We can come up with a better solution."

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"Hope so."

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And that is about as much non-technical non-linguistic discussion as one can get out of a room full of Fëanors. One of them makes a model of a flat planet, tampers with the gravity, demands to know if his alt has measured the acceleration of a falling object...

The Nerdanels exchange looks that are either deeply meaningful or accompanied by deeply meaningful osanwë conversation.

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"Need me for anything else?"

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"Oh, yes, can you make blessing rings? We were told they were magic but the other kind of Elf has blessing chips so maybe they're just very advanced technology that the Valar misled us about..."

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"I can try it but you'll need to be more specific."

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He waves his hand at Cam. He is wearing quite a lot of pretty, tasteful jewelry. "Any of these -"

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How about that one then. He gets a ring. "It might not work, that happens if I try to make a wand, how do you check?"

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"They're mostly pretty subtle - grace or warmth or balance - I suppose some people have ones that just glow, and you could try making one of those?"

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He makes another ring. It does not glow.

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The new Fëanáro and Nerdanel look at each other and then start bouncing up and down excitedly. "We've got magic, we've got magic, we've got magic and a time-stopping bar -"

"Once Maitimo's grown up we can become omnipotent!"

"I love you!"

"I love you!"

The chip Elves are very uncomfortable.

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"...How's it work?"

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"You use osanwë to write instructions to a piece of metal. Very very detailed instructions, and anything complicated is excruciatingly slow, computers as they were explained to us are fairly analogous only imagine you are directly inscribing all the ones and zeros with your mind. I do not think there are any principled limitations on what it can do - you could certainly become as powerful as a Vala -"

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"...well, that's useful, spares us involving the actual ones -"

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"- that'd be four, five thousand years of work, though -"

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"Betcha we can do it in two thousand, with the computers to help, and inventing some things for memory and intelligence that will help us invent more complicated things. The children can wait two thousand years, that's not really so long and it'd be unfair to have them when we're not omnipotent, now that we know we might need to be..."

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Two thousand years, not really so long. We are Elves indeed.

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"We can't spend all that time in here, though, not without my father."

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"He'll tell Aulë-"

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"Perhaps he could wait two thousand years. Since it's not really so long."

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"He'd miss Maitimo's whole childhood - we could close the door with Maitimo on the other side, I suppose -"

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"I actually meant he could wait to tell Aulë."

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"He probably would."

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"How probably?"

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"He knows Aulë better than us so if he were to tell him it'd be because he thought it was warranted even given our reservations - which, I take it, come down to 'an alternate universe version of the Valar did a mind control thing and paroled Melkor, and it's unknown where he stood on both these things?"

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"And interdicted summoning and did not do anything about it when Melkor violated parole, yes."

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He turns to look at the chip Nerdanel.

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"I think you should fetch the Valar and get them to fix it, I think you should have done it immediately, and he will agree with me. He will agree with his alt, if they get the chance to talk. He will probably respect your decision not to do that anyway, but..."

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"Well, we don't have to decide right away."

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"Depends a lot on how happy Maitimo is here - we should go find him -"

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"- he keeps running into tidbits of stuff he doesn't understand and it's freaking him out."

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" - do you know where he is now -"

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"Last I knew he was in the back yard getting some of the chip Elves to help him learn to read but he may've wandered elsewhere since."

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"Thank you." And she takes her husband's hand and they leave.

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...Cam goes back to his own room.

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"Hey - what happened -"

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"Soul Elves are from a flat planet on which Valinor and Endorë are continents. They have magical powers which might get them to Vala-quality power in as little as two thousand years. They are unwilling to have Tiny Maitimo's maternal grandfather miss his childhood and suspect said grandfather would notify Aulë if he found out about all this."

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"Also we don't have two thousand years."

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"Well, obviously an anti-aging project would need to be undertaken in parallel."

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"That's a ridiculous amount of time even so. I am sure we'll come up with something better in two thousand years. Anyway, kiddo doesn't need to see Grandpa in, like, the next five years, right, that's like breakfasttime to an Elf, so we're set for the time being?"

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"Maybe. Oh, and they're postponing more kids till omnipotence. It would apparently be irresponsible not to. ...Chip Nerdanel thinks we should have called in the Valar straight away."

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"Huh, really? Did she say why?"

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"Didn't specify, thinks her dad and his alt would agree though."

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"Is her dad an alt, did we check?"

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"Not specifically."

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"I should probably go ask her why she thinks so."

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Nod.

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"Is that what you're upset about?"

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"It's not trivially reconciled with her thanking me and I'm trying not to dwell on it."

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"She's more confident they aren't horrible evil gods than we are, I expect that's all there is to it."

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"This is chip Nerdanel, they Doomed her husband and children and let a lot of shit happen and she thanked me and I killed them. I suppose she could be fond of Aulë in particular."

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"My mother is a very straightforward person, she won't mind if you just ask."

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"I am not sure I'd like the results and don't strongly expect to need them."

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"Okay. More magic! That's good. The more there is floating around the better the chance it's exploitable together."

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"Yeah. ...Since development time is their bottleneck theoretically time travel security guy could help but his method of time travel is pretty messy in the relevant direction even in Milliways."

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"Messy?"

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"Duplicates him, he doesn't actually want to fork even when it's not intrinsically costly."

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"That's fair enough. The soul Elf magic - is it learnable?"

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"Involves osanwë. So presumably not, or maybe you could learn the theory but not execute on it."

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"That's too bad. Speaking of an anti-aging project, we're nearing the point where everyone'll be suspiciously older when they go back to school this fall."

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"That's sort of a different anti-aging project. Uh, angels can do some mostly cosmetic work on aging but I don't know if any of them are likely to have picked up 'making teenagers look like younger teenagers'."

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"Doesn't seem like it'd be very popular. I realize death from aging is more urgent but on a personal level, you know, that's a century off and to we mortals that's a long time."

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"I do know, I didn't know my world had afterlives till I died."

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"What, none of the daeva mentioned it?"

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"Limbo didn't come up - it's possible at least some of them didn't know about it in the way you might not be able to name an obscure South American culture which receives occasional missionaries from Europe and maybe exports cocoa beans but not very many of those - and since summoning was so rare, ex-summoner daeva were incredibly obscure and I think I didn't meet anybody who knew any."

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"Is it known now? Should it be?"

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"It is not common knowledge on Earth and probably should be, yes, although I didn't really have to consider that question before since nobody let me talk."

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"The Elves can mention it, though. In a thousand years or whatever, once they stop moving at a crawl."

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"Yeah. And then people can summon their summoner relatives and soon there will be insipid personality quizzes on the extranet intended to tell you what you'll be when you die if you summon somebody."

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"What would I be?"

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"Fairy probably? If my guess about how the insipid personality quizzes ought to go is right."

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"How's that -"

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"Sort of metaphorical suitedness to the magic broadly construed. I think you're more moving-things than making-things or changing-things."

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Nod. 

"My parents are adorable newlyweds. It's a little weird."

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"That would weird me out if it were mine, too, since they've been divorced for like a hundred seventy years."

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"Did the chip Elves mention to you that she was still in Valinor -"

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"No. It probably wouldn't have helped anything to have the deliberations obviously about 'how do I get really good return on murdering your mom' as opposed to the vaguer 'destroying your homeworld and anybody on it who didn't leave with you'."

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Sigh.

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"I'm going to go get written works referencing the Valar from Bar, get a broader sense of  - the kind of things they tend to do -"

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"I can be an extra pair of eyes, at least until Tiny You shows up again..."

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"I don't think he wants you to avoid him. He will probably say something unhelpful, though, so if you'd rather -"

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"...it is upsetting to terrify small children."

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"He might've forgotten all about it, tiny children have short attention spans."

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"Tiny Elves? With fifty-five million names to read? - He might notice when he runs into a name that matches somebody in the backyard he's been singing with."

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"Yeah, he might, should I make sure that doesn't happen -"

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"I don't know how to approach information security with respect to tiny you."

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"I knew how to lie when I was four, it'll just be complicated to explain what needs to be lied about."

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"Do you suppose it'd help -"

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"I think it probably has not crossed his mind that irretrievable death is a thing at all."

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"So not so much then. Okay."

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"It might, just - I think that's his baseline, Valinor's all paradise-y... we are going to get them all back."

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"Bar, can we have books written in Quenya, mentioning that a Curufinwë Fëanáro was born in 1169, and being about a war with Melkor subsequent to his parole?"

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They can! There's a selection!

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Great! They will take some and start reading.

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Book about the Doom, from a flat Arda. Book about the Valar victoriously reimprisoning a Space Melkor several centuries later. Book about the infamous war criminal Maedhros sacking various things. Book about flat Arda political geography over the course of the war.

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"Several centuries later."

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...Cam looks over his shoulder.

 

"You have got to be fucking kidding me."

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"Five hundred and ninety years after the destruction of Valinor's binary star system."

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"They just - do they do anything before that. At all. Blow up a moonful of servers or - anything the fuck at all."

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Flip flip flip - "a bunch of Elves try to leap back, ask for help, the ships get lost mid-leap. 

- eventually someone designs a different type of leap navigation, he's the one who gets through, the Valar debate executing him for coming to Valinor without permission but settle on forbidding him from ever entering any inhabited star system again -

 

 

- oh, Ulmo does Melian's forcefield thingy to an entire continent, good job Ulmo, raises the question of why the fuck the other ones weren't doing that -"

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"Good job Ulmo. Aulë do anything - him being the one they're likely to want to bring in first -"

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Flip flip - "uh, at some point there's a nuclear winter and he cleans it up - what does that even mean -"

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"It means enough things exploded that the sky was so full of ash that the sun couldn't reach the surface and it got really really cold."

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"So, nice work, Aulë. What the fuck does Valar internal decisionmaking look like..."

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"D'you want to read the lengthy debate over whether my grandfather should get to remarry, that's probably the purest example of it which I've found so far..."

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"...sure."

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It's lengthy! It's also kind of annoying to read:

 

 

 

It is recorded by the Eldar that the Valar debated long the case of Finwe and Miriel, after the Statute was made, but not yet declared. For they perceived that this was a grave matter, and a portent, in that Miriel had died even in Aman, and had brought sorrow to the Blessed Realm, things which they before had believed could not come to pass. Also, though the Statute seemed just, some feared that it would not heal the death of grief, but perpetuate it. And Manwë spoke to the Valar, saying: 'In this matter ye must not forget that you deal with Arda Marred - out of which ye brought the Eldar. Neither must ye forget that in Arda Marred Justice is not Healing. Healing cometh only by suffering and patience, and maketh no demand, not even for Justice. Justice worketh only within the bonds of things as they are, accepting the marring of Arda, and therefore though Justice is itself good and desireth no further evil, it can but perpetuate the evil that was, and doth not prevent it from the bearing of fruit in sorrow. Thus the Statute was just, but it accepted Death and the severance of Finwe and Miriel, a thing unnatural in Arda Unmarred, and therefore with reference to Arda Unmarred it was unnatural and fraught with Death. The liberty that it gave was a lower road that, if it led not still downwards, could not again ascend. But Healing must retain ever the thought of Arda Unmarred, and if it cannot ascend, must abide in patience. This is Hope which, I deem, is before all else the virtue most fair in the Children of Eru, but cannot be commanded to come when needed: patience must often long await it.

 

Then Aulë, friend of the Noldor and lover of Fëanáro, spake. 'But did this matter indeed arise out of Arda Marred?' he asked. 'For it seemeth to me that it arose from the bearing of Fëanáro. Now Finwe and all the Noldor that followed him were never in heart or thought swayed by Melkor, the Marrer; how then did this strange thing come to pass, even in Aman the Unshadowed? That the bearing of a child should lay such a weariness upon the mother that she desired life no longer. This child is the greatest in gifts that hath arisen or shall arise among the Eldar. But the Eldar are the first Children of Eru, and belong to him directly. Therefore the greatness of the child must proceed from his will directly, and be intended for the good of the Eldar and of all Arda. What then of the cost of the birth? Must it not be thought that the greatness and the cost come not from Arda, Marred or Unmarred, but from beyond Arda? For this we know to be true, and as the ages pass it shall often be manifest (in small matters and in great) that all the Tale  of Arda was not in the Great Theme, and that things shall come to pass in that Tale which cannot be foreseen, for they are new and are not begotten by the past that preceded them.' Thus Aulë spake being unwilling to believe that any taint of the Shadow lay upon Feanor, or upon any of the Noldor. He had been the most eager to summon them to Valinor.

 

But Ulmo answered: 'Nonetheless Miriel died. And death is for the Eldar an evil, that is a thing unnatural in Arda Unmarred, which must proceed there- fore from the marring. For if the death of Miriel was otherwise, and came from beyond Arda (as a new thing having no cause in the past) it would not bring grief or doubt. For Eru is Lord of All, and moveth all the devices of his creatures, even the malice of the Marrer, in his final purposes, but he doth not of his prime motion impose grief upon them. But the death of Miriel has brought sorrow to Aman. / The coming of Feanaro must proceed certainly from the will of Eru; but I hold that the marring of his birth comes of the Shadow, and is a portent of evils to come. For the greatest are the most potent also for evil. Have a care, my brethren, thinking not that the Shadow is gone for ever, though it is beaten down. Doth it not dwell even now in Aman, though you deem the bonds to be unbreakable?'

 

 Thus Ulmo spake, who had dissented from the counsels of the Valar, when they brought Melkor the Marrer to Mandos after his defeat.

 "There're like eight pages of that, what're you looking for in particular -"

 

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"...I was hoping the Milliways translation effect would patch any weirdness in the language but apparently I speak Quenya too well to enjoy such a courtesy. Uhhhh... so Aulë is a nice guy and Ulmo is... thoughtful? Conservative?"

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"Oh, it came through fine to me, want me to read out how it's translating - or is 1800s English not that much better - anyway, all the rest of them say their piece and it's all like that, they dwell a lot on whether bad things are intended by Eru or not..." flip flip flip...

 

 

Said Manwë: "The Valar have not and must not presume certainty with regard to the wills of the Children. Nor, even were they certain in this one case concerning the fea of Miriel, would that unmake the union of love that once was between her and her spouse, or render void the judgement that constancy to it would in Finwe be a better and fairer course, more in accord with Arda Unmarred, or with the will of Eru in permitting this thing to befall him. The Statute openeth the liberty of a lower road, and accepting death, countenanceth death, and cannot heal it. If that liberty is used, the evil of the death of Miriel will continue to have power, and will bear fruit in sorrow.

'But this matter I now commit to Namo the Judge. Let him speak last! '

Then Namo Mandos spoke, saying: 'All that I have heard I have considered again; though naught pertinent to judgement hath been brought forward that was not already considered in the making of the Statute. Let the Statute stand, for it is just.

'It is our part to rule Arda, and to counsel the Children, or to command them in things committed to our authority. Therefore it is our task to deal with Arda Marred, and to declare what is just within it. We may indeed in counsel point to the higher road, but we cannot compel any free creature to walk upon it. That leadeth to tyranny, which disfigureth good and maketh it seem hateful.

 

"So - if they stuck to that they might be tolerable?"

 

 
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"If they did. ...For reference yes 1800s English is hard to understand but I always liked old literature so it's doable and British accents are hot."

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Awww he is definitely pleased about that.

 

"Uh. The whatever-they-did-such-that-there-were-no-survivors-on-ships-trying-to-find-them, and the getting mad at the guy who did, is less promising but I can't find anything more than really brief accounts, there - 

- and then there're the Elf war criminals, they probably killed upwards of a million people and the Valar asked them to surrender - unclear what they planned to do - but then let them go when they didn't surrender -"

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"Way to exhibit consistent judgments so nobody gets paranoid and confused, Valar!"

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"Yup. - war criminals committed suicide as soon as they were permitted to 'escape' so it might have been a weird sort of courtesy execution?"

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"...I guess?"

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"We have that. Let someone die on their own terms instead of going to Azkaban. I don't know anything about how the Valar think."

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"They are weird."

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"If they find 'if you let me go I will fly this ship into the sun' satisfactory you can totally do that."

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"I can, although it would actually be inconvenient for me to get out of a sun without wrecking the sun."

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"You read anything potentially helpful?"

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"Not really. The Flat Arda version has parallels to everything."

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"What's the deal with the Silmarils?"

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"I'm unclear on what the Flat Arda ones do but the space ones were supposed to get backups without Mandos's intervention."

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"And either way there's the same set of wars over them. Weird."

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"I suppose the Flat ones could do the same thing, they never come into play as anything but shinies."

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"Soul-collectors? Anyway, the Valar don't actually do anything punitive after the war in either of these accounts of it - including against Melkor's lieutenants, for that matter -"

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"But the ones we might be consulting haven't got the Doom out of their systems."

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"Yeah. I don't think it's worth it. We'll find something better."

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Flop. "So what, aside from the usual constraining factor of evil intent, do you need to cast the Imperius on somebody, and do you think you can convince Theodore's alt's grieving pet Maia to be a test case?"

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"There's a range limit, it works on all the sapients in my world and if it doesn't work on Maiar I'd expect it to be either because they are magically resilient to mind-affecting magic in some way - but there's no mention of that, they can make oaths, so that doesn't seem likely - or because they have too much mind or too strangely-structured a mind for me to do anything with it. I don't know if they need to currently have an embodied form. I could cast it on someone invisible if I knew exactly where they were. A bunch of things - how much attention I'm spending on it, how directly I have to be controlling things, how easy it is to throw off - seem to improve with practice."

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"And you don't know if you can convince him?"

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"I am not overwhelmingly optimistic. Could maybe find a Maia test subject in the flat Arda, assuming they're the same sort of thing."

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"They might seem it and not actually be."

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"Are there other Maiar in Endorë who might agree -"

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"The other one I met was Sauron. Who is possibly a bigger creep than that one creep."

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"Not in itself disqualifying."

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"Well, he's not going to agree, but I don't object to attacking him, but he might warn Melkor if you can't hold him."

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"They have faster-than-light communication?"

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"Yep. Not for general purpose but between Ainur."

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"Interdimensional?"

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"...I doubt that but it hasn't been checked."

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"Might be easier to convince someone to do a voluntary test of that."

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Nod. "What does that get us?"

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"Don't like bringing him here, even with the oath as thorough as it is, but the chip Elves think they can get portals eventually."

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"...and you'd get him here how? And if he resisted the curse and walked out the door -?"

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"Hey, there are other dimensions and this is a portal between them? And if the door's already open to somewhere I don't see how he gets it without breaking Security rules."

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"And which dimension do you want to let Sauron into?"

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"A nice uninhabited one, though that oath really did look pretty thorough and I am skeptical he'd be able to be unusually bad anywhere."

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"I think it may by Milliways logic be prohibitively difficult to open the door to an uninhabited dimension. He's also still capable of, like, politics. And cruelty to animals, though I suppose that's not worse some places than others."

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"And as far as he's capable of politics, most places would probably be harder to do damage than a high-tech universe with billions of people and functioning summoning."

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"I would really rather think of something that doesn't let him into a universe that doesn't currently have to deal with him, if we can."

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"Yeah, fair. Can also check if the Killing Curse works on Maiar but we shouldn't count on that."

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"Do you know how to cast that one? From a technical standpoint; I assume you can muster the necessary hostility."

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"I probably need more to go off than 'even creepier than my tutor' but if he's been helping Melkor, yes, sure.

 

I don't know the spell."

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"I have notes on the conversation at the parley for more anti-Sauron psychological ammunition but can't help you with the spell. Having seen it done doesn't help? Creepy tutor did try like three times."

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"Helps. But -if you're trying to reverse-engineer spells just from watching them cast, they can backfire, and this is one that'd be very inconvenient, and also I'd need to practice and I'm not sure I can relevantly be malicious towards random animals..."

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"What if they bite? Certain demonic animals turn out to have very much intact bite reflexes and no sense of fear."

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"There's still the backfire risk, but I guess maybe I could relevantly want a biting demonic animal dead."

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"I'm not fond of the backfire risk but I don't know how to address that one."

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"I could go ask for lessons."

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"- I am clear on that you're upset about that whole thing but not of exactly what reassurance you're looking for - I have a lot more leverage now, I'm not going to betray you -"

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"Really, really not the problem. If he is your source on learning nasty spells and you want or need to learn nasty spells that's where you go, he's just a creep and he creeps at you and it's creepy."

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"I can probably find someone else it'd just take longer and I'd be less confident I was safe -"

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"If you're comfortable with it."

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"I'm - confident with it? It is satisfying to be in a position of accumulating resources. But I don't like that it bothers you - and I understand why it would -"

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"It actually sounded like you completely failed to understand why it would. Which is weird."

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"There's a cultural difference and we're not exactly navigating a domain in which I bothered acquiring a lot of knowledge but -" he shrugs. "Sorry."

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"I am not worried you're going to cheat on me, I have vague protective instincts."

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"But that's because you're - imagining I was wronged in the first place - I could probably have thrown the spell off sooner -"

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"...I'm not going to tell you how to feel about it, I'm not going to tell you not to enlist his tutoring services, I'm not soliciting assurances about your fidelity, but the guy is a creep."

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"I might have enough to go off anyway."

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"Please do not increase the risk of lethal backfire by attempting to placate a discomfort you do not even actually understand."

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"...I am mortal and might or might not have something after this life and I can model being protective of me for that reason?"

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"Not the point!"

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"Sorry. I trust you and I trust your judgment and I expect it'll make sense once I have enough relevant cultural exposure or something analogous happens to someone who isn't me or something."

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Cam sighs and hugs him. "Okay."

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"I really wish tiny me had walked in a month later, a little downtime would have been nice and I suppose we still have it but now it's more - fraught -"

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"It is a bit, yes."

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"Does that change what you want?"

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"...what do you mean?"

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"Well, the Elves all seem to think the appropriate reaction to this situation is to put their lives on hold indefinitely and you're not an Elf but you're also not seventeen -"

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"I'm not an Elf, if I were an Elf then given how they count time I think I would in fact be seventeen - and look younger - and that seems like a reasonable philosophy if and only if it actually helps anything, so if you are functionally comfortable with the risk that I will turn myself over to a war crimes tribunal presided over by irresponsible alien gods should that prove necessary to return a bunch of entities I've never met to life, I'm not going to shoo you."

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"If you do, and if they are stupid, I will go picking through a thousand worlds to find something better than them and I will get you back. But I won't stop you, and I do not want to be shooed."

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Snuggle. "Then don't be shooed. I appreciate the commitment to my ongoing survival, I really do like being alive."

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"I know. It's a very good thing I don't have to be of any assistance in handing you over to the irresponsible alien gods, because you should have forever and you will do so so much with it -"

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Cam kisses him.

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Oh, good. Timothy kisses him back. 

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(An Elf opens the door to outside, quietly closes it, and rushes off to tell tiny Nelyafinwë Maitimo that if he is Marred and wants unhealthy things, he should go right to Lórien who can fix that.)

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He very solemnly promises to do that.

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Quiet door closures are too quiet to impinge on Cam's attention.

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At some point it does occur to him that they should go upstairs but not especially for that reason.

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Bar's delicate sensibilities and nudity rules? Those reasons?

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Yep those would be the reasons.

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Good reasons.

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And they have a lovely afternoon hardly overshadowed at all by worries about irresponsible alien war crimes tribunals.

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Meanwhile outside, he would like to walk on the water and starts singing the song for it. 

 

It works fine, of course. All of the other Elves stare.

 

He stops singing and plops in and requires rescue and - "sorry, are we not supposed to run on this lake?"

"No, my lord prince can run on any lakes he wants, just... how were you doing that?"

"You haven't invented the song?" he says, surprised. 

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"You have a song that lets you walk on water?"

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"Yeah, of course, how else do you cross rivers?"

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"Sing it."

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A short while later everyone gets a note - "soul Elves can sing magic songs, can teach us the magic songs, can in principle compose magic songs but none of them know how."

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He doesn't get the note until a while later, but - "huh."

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"Huh?"

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"Soul Elves have magic music, discovered this when small me decided to go walk across the lake singing a waterwalking song and then asked confusedly how anyone else crossed bodies of water."

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"...soul Elves. Walk on water. Okay. What else are we missing, I wonder."

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"Yeah, exactly. We should - call a meeting or something, have everyone prepare a summary of all of the potentially relevant stuff in their worlds..."

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"Sounds good to me."

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So he sends out a message, and people gradually trickle into the main bar for snacks and magic system briefings.

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"I don't actually know how to compose magic music, it takes Years to get the hang of and I thought we had all of forever. I could introduce you to some people, though -"

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"Please."

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"Effects tend to be localized and limited in duration - usually to the length of the song, or not much longer - but if you move something it'll stay moved - most of the ones we know now were developed beside Cuivienen - grace and balance, warmth, calming a crying child, waterwalking, silent movement..."

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"How long does it take to write one if you know how?"

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"Inside of a Year? Depending how complicated it is, of course, I suppose some people might spend five getting something really efficient and easy to sing before they shared it with everyone..."

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"Do they work recorded or hasn't that been checked yet?"

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"Recorded?"

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...Cam holds up his computer and puts on a few seconds of music.

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"Oooooh, clever! That has not been tried."

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Cam starts a list of things to try. "How, uh, how does a song for silent movement... work."

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"Only the singer can hear it."

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"From note one or after it's been magicking for a while, how long do these take to take effect -?"

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"They usually take a few verses to start having an effect."

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"Does it matter how fast you sing them?"

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"They wouldn't sound very pretty if you went very fast but they might still technically work..."

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"Yes, that's what I meant." He adds a note under the one about checking if they work recorded.

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"I've been wondering if any of our stuff has incidental telepathy interactions like how Occlumency is good enough as a private thoughts designation. Like, does that conversation privacy thing apply to telepathy, the same way it'd stop you from hollering into the next room. Or other interactions. Can air pressure from a demon making stuff break an Imperturbable container."

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List list - "if conversational privacy applies to telepathy we have a way to experiment on Sauron - speaking of which, do oaths made under the Imperius Curse count -"

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All of the Elves look completely horrified at him. 

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"...well, it would be better to know before we have to decide whether to consider quarantining wizard populations from Elves as well as daeva..."

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"Yes. I assume there exist oaths harmless enough to run tests with? 'I won't tell anyone my favorite color for the next three minutes' or something?"

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"One just doesn't do experiments with oaths."

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"...you don't do experiments with oaths? So, you have mind control stuff that might work under all kinds of dangerous conditions and you don't know how it works?"

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"Works better if there's just a rule never ever to make an oath even if it seems like the perfect occasion for it and a really good reason..."

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"That sounds sensible as an everyday practice... but it means you have this thing and don't know how it works."

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"Yes."

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"Do you happen to know anyone suitably reckless."

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They look at each other and giggle. "We just had a son," he says regretfully. "No recklessness until he's all grown up."

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"You should have more sons, Theo's alt'd do it."

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"Being around wizards and various other potential forms of mind control without any information on how your thing works is also reckless."

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" - normally you'd ask a Vala to help you, and cancel the oaths if anything went wrong..."

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"They can do that?"

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"If you swear to them, yeah."

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"Okay, so what else do you in fact know about how it works."

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"Intent matters, matters less the more specifically it was phrased and once you start acting on one interpretation you can't then bend back around to a different interpretation - like, if I swore to tell Nerdanel before I started new projects, and then I stepped in here and met another Nerdanel, I could probably decide whether the oath applied to other universe versions of Nerdanel, but once I'd decided one way or the other my interpretation would be binding. If you swear by a Vala they can release you. If you swear by Eru he can release you but honestly I wasn't even sure Eru existed until my alts said that their Eru created a new species during the war and therefore probably does in fact exist. I think you can swear by Maiar, too, but I'm not sure. You can't swear by other people, not in the same way, but you could say something like 'until Nerdanel releases me I swear to tell her before I start new projects' and that'd have the same effect. You can be tortured or coerced into swearing things, but to a point, because intent if you say something under torture is pretty much 'to stop being tortured' and so any ambiguity bends in your favor. You can alter your beliefs and mental states by swearing things. You can't get new information from oaths - like, if I swore not to harm you, and then tried to trip a random stranger in the street but the stranger was you in disguise, the oath wouldn't do anything, it's acting off my current state of information. You can't do something you've sworn not to do; you can delay indefinitely doing something you've sworn to do, but it's unpleasant, and only works if there isn't a window of opportunity..."

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"Dear, did you check -"

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"I was curious!"

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"There's a whole world of things to be curious about!"

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"And we are going to learn all of them!"

 

They kiss.

 

Their chip alts are uncomfortable.

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"...I didn't spend long enough under the Imperius to know much about what forming intents under it is like and whether it'd trip the ambiguity thing..."

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"You could get around that even if it did with a close enough phrasing. Honestly the best solution might be just not telling wizards that Elves make oaths."

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"I would not expect that to hold up indefinitely if they were interacting much."

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"People don't use oaths; it would not be hard to persuade them not to mention them."

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"And not flinch if humans use similar wording and not be conspicuous in avoiding it themselves and never being around an intrusive Legilemens or targeted by a clumsy Memory Charm or subject to Veritaserum..."

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"I'd be seriously tempted to just quarantine wizards from everyone if there weren't Muggleborns."

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"Yep. We're scary. How're you coming on Occlumency, Cam."

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"I can't exactly tell if it's working, but it's consistent with how you described it?"

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"If Muggles can learn it that'll help a lot."

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"I'm not sure the test Miranda used will work for me, might not be able to disentangle intending to use Occlumency to ignore the potion versus just attempting to nope it - could test separately with other potions and find out if daeva can reject them like we can ordinary drugs -" Note.

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"Confunding works to check it, too."

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"I picked Veritaserum for a reason but yes if it won't work there are other options."

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"But we can't teach it to everyone who's going to come into contact with wizards when even most wizards can't be bothered to learn it."

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"Honestly I think more wizards would bother to learn it if they didn't grow up with the idea that all the stuff it protects against is totally normal, but yes, probably can't get everybody on board."

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"What would be really nice would be a way to tell if spells are cast, make law enforcement way more straightforward..."

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"The spell would have to automate a lot of discriminatory capacity to not just deluge whoever was watching in householdy spells. Also it would be creepy. Also this is beside the point, we were trying to go over what things we can all do to see if they might mix usefully."

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"Music and artifacts are the only magic effects we can do, as far as anyone has discovered."

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"And the part where you are telepathic with self-mind-control."

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"Chip Elves have that too."

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"They're only telepathic with each other and the oaths work on the chips themselves."

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"The oaths working on the chips doesn't seem like a very significant difference, is there some implication of that which I'm missing?"

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"It's possible your souls are just direct analogues that don't happen to be material, but chips admit of a lot of fairly mechanistic poking and prodding. Like, it would be possible in principle to fiddle with somebody's chip until an oath was removed, without being a Vala, even though we don't in fact know how to do that."

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Nod. "I'd be curious whether you can make our kind of Elf a new body but there's no good way to test that."

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"I mean, I can see if you count as too magical to make at all, but I don't have a way to put a soul in a body, no."

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"The soul sticks around when the body dies, they might just be able to take up a new one if it were present. But we'd need someone recently dead."

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"Not nearly an urgent enough experiment to suggest looking for volunteers."

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"No. Only one person has ever died in Valinor."

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"That stays true until after they pardon Melkor, I glanced through some histories."

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"Can't necessarily assume they're all parallel like that."

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"Yeah, true. I'm not even sure the histories I read were from worlds with mes in them, Fëanáro is always mentioned and sometimes mentioned to have children but you'd expect me to do something during the war and if so I did not do anything worth mentioning, at least not at a first glance."

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Cam adds 'investigate alternate histories' to his list.

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"Can people other than soul Elves compose magic songs - we can use them fine, if we sing them -"

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"Would it be hard to stumble on the field? The chip Elves even sing a lot."

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"It would astonish me if they hadn't noticed it - they have more people and a longer history and it is not especially hard to stumble on -"

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"So it isn't straightforwardly universal, but it could be that instead of having to be a flat Elf you have to be exposed to magic music at a young age or something arbitrary like that."

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"Or it could be contagious the way summoning seems to be - there's no chance that no one in your world ever drew the right kind of circle -"

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"That could be it too, yeah."

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And they add a few dozen more potential interactions to the list - can you chip a flat Elf? Can you do most of the things that exist as chip blessings on a necklace? Can you duplicate tedious-to-make flat Arda artifacts with wizarding magic? Does summoning work in flat Arda - they don't want to try that one, lest they get the attention of the Valar - and does flat Arda have any sapients who might need to be taught summoning (Ents? Ents were mentioned in the book he read, do they have an afterlife and is there a way to tell other than asking Yavanna?) Can flat Arda Fëanáro guess what the flat Arda Silmarils were meant to do from notes from a future version of him who made them? How do songs work with muffling magic, with illusory sound magic, with people who don't have Elven levels of singing talent...

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Miranda makes a separate list of oath related questions but of course no one has to be the test subject...

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No one volunteers; they are asking the bar if they can build a house out back.

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They are welcome to do that, although what with the time mismatch the establishment cannot be responsible if they leave their house only to discover that, for the house, 800,000 years have passed and in that time an intelligent termite swarm has entered the yard via alternate route and eaten it, or it has simply rotted away, or one of the people who wandered into the caves a while ago wanders out again and squats in their house, or whatever.

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...rotted away?

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Milliways has many interesting properties but an absence of decay is not one of them.

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What is decay, exactly, and how does it work?

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Bar presents her with a book about it. Tiny living things have to eat too: thus, unattended calories will be nibbled upon by all manner of miniatures.

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That makes sense but for convenience's sake why not slow them all down ten thousandfold so things don't go bad while people are still using them?

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That does not happen to be how Milliways's irregular time behavior works; Bar is not responsible for it herself, and cannot adjust it for visitors' convenience.

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They will try building a house anyway; those sound like interesting things that could potentially go wrong! And if other people take up residence it would presumably be because they needed a place to live, so of course the Elves wouldn't begrudge them one! 

 

They thank the bar and head outside to do that.

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Someone stops them quietly to let them know they should get Maitimo to Lórien before he grows up, just so they know.

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He repeats this advice significantly less quietly - "is that so?"

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"I promised I'd go, please don't worry!"

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"That's the Vala who does - dreams? Is he having nightmares, there's potions."

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"He also helps people with disordered attraction - wanting men, or small children, or animals, that kind of thing - and, well -"

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...Tiny Maitimo is very tiny and probably was not personally kissing any boys. Ugh. Cam does not actually facepalm, but he looks like he wants to.

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"People aren't supposed to want men? Nobody told me that, when I grow up and get married am I supposed to lie back and think of England?"

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They blink confusedly. "No, no, you definitely shouldn't get married until you meet a man who you love!"

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"Maybe I misunderstood what you said, my mum is very talkative but I am only thirteen, but it did sound like you said there was something the matter with wanting men? Is the problem if one wants several of them?"

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"...I suppose that could be a problem but I do not think it comes up very much? It also might be harder for Lórien to help with, I'm not really quite sure, you could ask him - the one who isn't dead, I mean. There is something the matter with men wanting men, and Lórien can help them fix it."

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"Fix what?"

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"If someone isn't going to be able to fall in love and get married and live a happy life, and it is because of unwanted attraction, Lórien can change that so then they can fall in love and get married."

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"It would be very inconvenient if someone were only interested in houseplants but I don't think that is the same thing, since men are still people and potentially lovable and stuff. And in Revelation they can get married too."

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"- perhaps it is a species difference. Among Elves they definitely couldn't."

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"Oh, they can't in our world either, because it is 1802, but in Revelation the laws are different."

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"...I don't really see how that would help."

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"Well, I don't see how Lórien would help, and I asked first."

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"If there were a man who wanted to marry a man, or a child, or a houseplant, or an animal, he could go to Lórien and then Lórien could change it so that he wanted to marry women, which is preferable, ethics aside, since it would mean his desires are actually achievable. Given that Eru asks us to pursue love within marriage, it would be very unreasonable of him not to extend an avenue of assistance to people who aren't able to do that."

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"I'm missing something. ...I think you are probably also missing something but I definitely am."

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"It might be something you will understand when you are older. Or it might be that you weren't designed by Eru and so it doesn't apply to you? I'm not really sure."

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"I don't think this is a very productive conversation. If Nelyafinwë wants to get married it is good he'll have the option, but it is many many years before it is appropriate even to think about it."

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Bounce bounce.

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"Let's go get started on the house, shall we."

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"If you want help with the house let me know."

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"Oh, that'd be lovely, actually, save us all the time digging up stone! Once we have designs we'll come and find you."

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Nod.

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He takes hold of both of his parents' hands so he can swing between them as they head off outside.

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Miranda makes vague grumbling noises.

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"It's not like people we know are any better. And that's without a way to change it."

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"It hadn't even particularly occurred to me before and it took - four? Five? Sentences for Cam to explain it - I don't think it was just that he's my alt either - and having mind control for it is not unambiguously better -"

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"I wasn't thinking of it as mind control."

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"No?"

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"Maybe it depends how it works? But one-off changing a thing within the range of normal human variation to something else within that range seems very different from controlling someone's mind."

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"If there were a spell that did that Occlumency would block it."

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"That doesn't seem like it necessarily tracks ethicalness."

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"I think it tracks mind-control-ness."

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"Mind-affectingness, maybe. I don't know, if you're going to have a norm it seems a whole lot crueller not to have any way to conform to it, and I'm not very comfortable saying that if such a way of conforming is denied to people, then they'll be forced to fight the norm, which is good because the norm ought to be gotten rid of, and the reason it ought to be gotten rid of is the suffering of the people with no way to conform to it."

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"It ought to be got rid of because it was stupid to begin with. Nobody would be very hurt if we had a norm that we all had to wear green but it would be stupid."

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"Sure, but unless you're going to go crusade for homosexual marriage in Arda it seems like a bad idea to object to this particular habit of their stupid evil gods."

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"Well, Cam wasn't going to do it."

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"Let it go, Miranda."

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"Okay but only if you tell me what you would've said."

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"Would've drawn some comparison with how horrifying Elves find locking people up, probably, I didn't develop it to the point of having a quippy phrasing."

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Miranda hugs him and leaves.

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Sigh. Hug. "It's that bad?"

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"What is, my inability to tell someone I literally murdered that they are in the moral wrong?"

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"No, I mean, the orientation-switching thing. It really does sound better than not having it."

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"It was a whole thing when I was a human, I might be biased even apart from the predisposition to object to mind control."

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Lean. "I'm glad we don't have it. But only because I met you, honestly."

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"If you'd had it you would've had to swipe Miranda from Minor and then he'd be mad at you, I suppose."

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He twitches. "She's thirteen, I can't even think about that even if I were postulating that women were interesting."

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"Truly an intractable age difference."

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"You know what I mean."

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"I do, although my reading of old-timey literature keeps leading me astray, c.f. Juliet Capulet being thirteen etcetera."

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"And that ended so well."

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"Well, if you read it as being set in Revelation, they went to Limbo where they might hope to find one another and live happily ever after away from all their family's bullshit and the high likelihood of contracting dysentery."

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"I guess lots of stories sound nicer if read as set in Revelation."

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"They really do. Anyway, yeah, I think the idea bothers me about that much, at least as an initial shock thing, I can have more nuanced opinions."

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"I'm sorry."

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"It's okay."

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"I don't know what if anything I should say to my alt."

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"Which one?"

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"Four year old who just promised to go to Lórien one."

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"No idea. He likely to even understand what he promised?"

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"Not yet, but he'll understand it before it becomes relevant and he'll take it seriously..."

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"And he'd probably be happier if he does go to Lórien. I can ask the adult one to be sure, but -"

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"Probably no point in having the philosophical discussion unless we get really bored one day."

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"If it's going to bother you -"

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"Your opinion doesn't bother me; it does bother me that a small child is likely to go get magic conversion therapy from a deity who to all appearances considers dispensing that service a more important use of his time than, say, doing anything whatsoever during gruesome wars that affect millions of people, to satisfy a taboo laid down by an overdeity who is even worse, because this dictate is considered important by people who do not require that their moral precepts make any inherent sense, whose observable behavior as far as I've seen is that this is more important to them than figuring out how to long-term contain the Melkors. But I'm not going to tell Elf I Literally Murdered that."

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Hug. "I thought Miranda made the point quite nicely."

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"I don't think it landed."

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"Elves seem pretty dense."

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"A bit."

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"Anyway. Wanna try waterwalking and check if recording works, and speed-ups, and so on..."

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"Yeah, let's do that. I can even carry a tune by human standards, can do that test too."

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He kisses him and heads outside.

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They get a recording recorded of the song. The recording works. It works sped way up, although not arbitrarily. When Cam's heard it enough times to sing it, it works for him too - though not as well, the lake feels wobblier to walk on and his feet get wetter - until he hits a note sharp and plunges into the lake.

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He fishes him out and dries him with two waves of his wand. "So they can work for non-Elves but they're finicky."

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"Apparently. Thanks for extracting me, I saw what looked like a giant squid in there."

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"Really? The lake at Hogwarts has one of those too."

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"That's weird! They're saltwater creatures!"

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"Are they? I've never heard complaints from ours!"

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"Do you have a magic squid?"

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"I don't know! You could check, I suppose!"

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"But then I'd have a demonic squid! It might offend the local one!"

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"Trying for a tiny one won't work?"

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"Sure, but then I'd have a tiny demonic squid."

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"I can Vanish things, you know."

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"If you want a temporary fishbowl sized demonic squid, all right." Squid?

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Nope!

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"Magic squid," says Cam, handing the empty fishbowl over for Vanishment.

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It Vanishes. "What's next on the list?"

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"Next thing written down is that conversation privacy spell interacting with telepathy but we'd have to find a soul Elf."

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They're sitting off in the distance excitedly designing their house! And singing!

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"Interrupt or no? I suppose I could also check if they've invented indoor plumbing and see if that's exciting."

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" - yeah, let's make sure that they know of indoor plumbing while designing their house."

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He waves at him!

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"...Hi, Maitimo. Thanks for letting us all know about the magic songs."

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"Songs should be magic everywhere! It's more fun. Is it harder or easier swimming with wings?"

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"It can be faster but only if you're really coordinated, and I'm not."

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Nodnod. "Do you want to see the house plans?"

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"Yeah, there are some things people in other worlds like to have in their houses that your family might like too if I explained them."

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"Oh?"

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"Indoor plumbing and electricity and stuff. My house isn't a good example since demons need fewer things - I can show you the plans for the place the chip Noldor were living during the war, I have that all down -" Like so.

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They are fascinated!!! Indoor plumbing, it transpires, has not yet been invented, and electricity is so exciting! They get to redrawing. They mentally bounce each other revisions and bounce them to Cam and Timothy and their son too. Every few minutes one of them will suggest a tweak and they will look at each other and giggle and kiss.

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It's cute.

When there's a lull in the process Cam mentions that they want to test a telepathy/spell interaction.

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"Oh?"

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"There's a spell that prevents people from eavesdropping but not just by interfering with sound, it also works on lipreading. Might block osanwë to outside parties too."

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"That would be interesting. Osanwë cannot be blocked by any means we know of outside of, well, Utumno..."

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"There's materials that block the chip kind but it didn't work on a Maia from that world when I tried it, probably won't work on you either."

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"Happy to try the spell, what would you need for that?"

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"Timothy can cast it and then you just try to osanwë anybody other than him."

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Timothy casts it.

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He raises an eyebrow at his wife. She shakes her head.

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"Interesting."

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He cancels it. "Yep. - do you happen to be friends with any Maiar who wouldn't need the whole situation explained to them -"

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" - not really."

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"We both know Aulë well, that's it."

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"Rats."

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"Sorry."

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"Would have been hard to anticipate the need."

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"I really think Aulë'd set everything right for you."

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"With the future of this many people involved we really need more clarity on the Doom and the summoning ban, and turns out a lot of their other conduct is really upsetting to 22nd century sensibilities, which doesn't inspire confidence."

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"It could easily be that Aulë would in fact set everything right but however exemplary a deity he is in other respects he hasn't managed sufficient clarity to be predictable and I don't want more total people to die just so I won't have personally killed them," murmurs Cam.

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"When will you know about the summoning afterlife thing?"

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"When someone from Endorë who's summoned a daeva dies, and then someone tries to summon them."

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"I mean, when do you expect that to be."

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"The humans are all young because the species is, Dwarves live a long time, it probably depends on whether any of them have dangerous hobbies, I cannot be confident to within a decade but probably less than a year or two."

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"That's no problem, then, Maitimo shouldn't start missing his friends that fast."

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"I know this is important, don't worry about me."

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"Thanks."

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He beams at him.

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"Let's go do some more reading."

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Cam nods obligingly and follows Timothy back into the bar.

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"I did not have that much of a - complex - at that age, which means he must have picked up that it's what his society wants from him, which - fuck Elves, really. I know that's not very fair, but - "

Sigh.

 

He hands Cam a book he got from Bar. It is titled "THE KINSLAYERS: an account of Doriath, Sirion, and the end of the Age" and the cover has fake blood splattered across it. 

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"Aesthetic," remarks Cam. "Isn't that a charming word, 'kinslayers'."

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"Oh, it's infuriating. Assuming that one matches the one I'm reading - hopefully with more detail on why the Valar decided to let them off - it is the account of the kingdom of Doriath committing an ethnic cleansing, this sparking a war with the Dwarven kingdom of Tumunzahar, and several hundred thousand incidental deaths in fighting with orcs. And then another Elf kingdom comes in to fight over the ruins and that, you see, is a Kinslaying, which is a very serious crime.

Not that the second sack of Menegroth didn't also kill horrifying numbers of people, just -"

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"At least I wasn't related to anyone on Valinor, that makes it so much better." He sighs and sits down and puts a wing around Timothy and reads.

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Every chapter of this book is focused on a different civilian massacre, but the Kinslayings definitely get the most detail! Gory pictures and time-stamped accounts of events and preserved letters between Maedhros, ruler of this one faction, and Dior, ruler of the other one, and so on. Maedhros is very eloquent and convincing for someone gearing up for mass slaughter over a shiny rock. The second sack of Menegroth took eighty-one hours and killed three hundred thousand people. The destruction of the refugee camp at the mouth of the Sirion took only six hours, and killed even more. And then, after the War of Wrath, Maedhros and Maglor wrote the Valar asking for the Silmarils recovered in the destruction of Angband - the Valar refused, of course, on the grounds that by their crimes they'd lost their claim to them -

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Did he have claim to them to begin with? Where'd he get that?

Cam flips to the index.

Finds the family tree.

 

"I found where your alts were during all this."

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"Mmmmm?"

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Cam shows him the tree.

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The wing over Timothy's shoulders squeezes.

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"Why the fuck would they - would I -"

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"Oath over the Silmarils."

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"Oath over - in that case why did anyone else let any of this happen, if they knew they were playing chicken with someone whose broomstick couldn't swerve -"

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"Whose broomstick couldn't swerve and offered truly desperate bribery, yeah, I don't know."

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"Why did they swear an oath anyway."

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"This book does not contain that information."

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"Yeah, I want to ask him -" he starts writing - 

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Winghug.

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"- that's - no wonder he killed himself he couldn't possibly - he shouldn't exist and he wouldn't want to - is it awful that I feel badly for him -"

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"I don't think so."

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"All those innocent people -"

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He finishes the letter. "Now we wait like a year for him to experience ten minutes in which to compose a response - not that there's - we have to figure out how to erase oaths, we have to -"

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"Possible in principle on chip Elves but very hard. Don't know about soul Elves."

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"Soul Elf Maedhros's get tortured in Angband for fifty years, it was in a footnote - don't know about chip Maedhros's but I assume they are forked from not that, even if so -"

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"It's not straightforward to fork them sans demon. Or Mandos who I bet wouldn't touch it or Melkor who wouldn't do it like that."

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" - in that case maybe he wasn't really me anymore anyway."

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"I didn't reembody the Finwë chip Sauron gave me because who knew what would be left."

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Nod. "If - for some reason - we need information about the end of the space Arda war which they'd have you can ask Michael or Macalaure but I bet their alt'd prefer to be resurrected - even if he'd want to die under those circumstances he'd want to be alive again under these ones. Probably not the - formerly-me - but his brothers would know for sure."

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Nod.

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"Thank you so much. Thank you so, so much - thank you -" he's crying -

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Cam squeezes him.

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Might be a little while.

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That's okay. Timothy can have as much hug as he wants.

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"I want to go out and grab the younger version and make him promise to never ever swear anything but - that's not constructive - and with fifty years of Angband intervening anyway - my god, how many Ardas are there -"

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"We'd have to ask Bar. Assuming Ardaness is even well defined. ...Angband is after the oath."

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"So yelling at the small one isn't completely useless, just mostly - I want Maitimo's answer -"

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"I can hold the door to Hell for it."

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Cling. "It's not actually in any concrete sense important -"

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"Holding the door isn't difficult and time needs to pass there sooner or later."

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Hug. "Okay."

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So they can figure out how to snuggle in such a way that the door thinks it's Cam who's holding it. Cam conjures for mail periodically and pets Timothy.

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He manages to resist asking Bar for another book with names. And he snuggles. And he waits.

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Couple different considerations. Most important was that my father had a fairly terrifying emotional breakdown at his father's death/capture and demanded it of us as proof that we weren't going to back out and abandon him, and I felt like, given that 'he invents something amazing' was our only real prospect of defeating Melkor and he was going to be surrounded by people who'd taken it, I'd rather be one of those. Secondary consideration was that we thought it might incentivize the Enemy to hand out the Silmarils to start civil wars - it was the sort of thing he'd find amusing to do - and even the worst conceivable outcome there was a lot better than the outcome if he figured out how to use them to redirect all the backups. Why?

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Cam hands over the letter.

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"You read it?"

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"It didn't say to pass on without reading and it was short, so yes."

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Nod. Cling. 

 

The worst conceivable outcome when he hands them out to cause civil wars is still really bad, he writes back, and it happens if you don't get Cam by some fluke. You - well, whatever of you they rescued from Angband - kill around a million innocent people. All your people are dead, by the end. It doesn't look like they ever disobey you. 

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I had in fact been assuming I surround myself by at least some people smart enough to notice that at that point I'd rather they stab me in my sleep. 

 

Tell Cam.

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"Tell me - what?"

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"He means 'fall on you crying and babbling 'thank you' except obviously I would have already done that so maybe he just means 'communicate that he would like to do that, adjusted for your level of emotional closeness'?"

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...more hug. "Ah."

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"Seriously, though."

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"You're welcome."

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"Knowing it would have lasted five hundred years must help -"

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"It does. Maybe not as much as it should - I didn't really think it wouldn't be the right tradeoff if it did work, just - that it might not work and the stakes I was using weren't really mine, and the alternate universe version doesn't change that part."

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Nod. Shudder.

 

"Okay. I think I'm going - to take a break. Do something completely different. Daeva/potion interactions, maybe."

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"The only one I've tried is dreamless sleep, got anything that won't knock me out for eight hours if I can't decline the effects?"

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"Polyjuice?"

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"What's it do?"

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"Makes you look like someone else."

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"Huh, okay. Assuming it's temporary even if it works on me like a human."

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"Yeah, lasts an hour for humans."

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"What determines who it turns one into?"

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"Last ingredient is a hair of theirs. This is usually quite a constraint on who you can turn into but for you not so much."

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"No kidding. Assuming it's working by, like, hair proteins, and not having-recently-been-on-someone's-head." Pause. "Requests?"

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"Oh my. You're already kind of wearing my favorite face in the world."

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"Thanks."

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"I did not really bother developing celebrity crushes, it seemed kind of pointless and now I have higher standards anyway and am inordinately attached to wings and tail."

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"Well, I have no other principled way to pick somebody. I guess I could turn into Miranda."

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"I am sure she wouldn't mind. I am curious if people can turn into either kind of Elf and if so if they get the nifty Elf benefits but that's probably best a separate batch of testing."

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"Yeah, since I will be actively trying not to turn into Miranda to see if I can."

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"And it sometimes has weird effects on duration to aim for nonhumans and it'd be good to separate those from daeva effects on duration."

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"Like if you try to turn into a house elf or something?"

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"Yeah, or a centaur or a merperson."

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"What happens to the duration? ..And what if one of them drinks it?"

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"Can only partially transform, can be stuck that way until someone gets a counterspell, can just not last very long...I don't know what happens if they drink it."

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"Seeing as I'm a nonhuman subject, do you know the counterspell."

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"I do. Restorative potion, actually, and we have some on hand."

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"Alrighty then. Do we also have polyjuice?"

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"Yep!" He fetches it. It is bubbling and looks unappetizing.

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"...Do I want to maybe go into this experiment with fewer tastebuds."

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"If that's a thing you can conveniently do, yeah, it's not very tasty."

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Cam presumably does... something... and then materializes a frizzy black hair. "I just drop it in? Or you do since I'm not a wizard?" He sounds a little slurred.

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He adds the hair, in case it is important.

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Cam downs it.

And he shrinks and hastily adds a copy of Miranda's robes to his suddenly overlarge pants. "This is weird."

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" - yes, yes it is. - means you can check your Occlumency with Veritaserum, though -"

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"Only if -" Miranda's robes do not survive the reverse transition - "it doesn't wear off too fast." He shakes a shred of robe off his wing.

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Giggle. "True. Would it have worn off that fast if you hadn't been meaning it to -"

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"Unclear. The drugs-don't-work-unless-we-want-them-to and the healing are different and it's possible that the potion worked in spite of my objection but then I 'healed'."

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"Your magic system is fascinating."

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"I know, right? If you're not low on potions it might make sense to try something I would definitely not 'heal from'."

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"Sure, what qualifies? Sleep seemed to work fine, but you were letting it - would you heal from growing gills and being able to breathe underwater -"

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"Anything that has effects on my shape might count. If I don't think of something as part of my body it doesn't stick around long. Sleep wouldn't be healed-from, though, if they otherwise all do that I can just maybe sleep for a while."

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"It's popular and the things that don't affect your shape typically affect your head."

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"Of course they do. Sleep potion it is, I guess."

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"Sure. Doesn't need to be right now, though. - I can check how Polyjuice plays with Elves while we have some on hand -"

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"Do it in the infirmary, just in case."

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"Okay. Have we met the people in the infirmary -"

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"Came in with the security guy, same general principle where Milliways lets him cheat the thing his magic costs to do. Unless there's been a shift change since."

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There is a dude in there! He is wearing white-sashed grey robes and a circlet with a white stone hanging over his forehead. "Hello."

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"Hi! I'm doing something that is almost certainly perfectly safe but I wanted to do it here just in case, is that all right? I'm Timothy."

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"That's fine. I'm Tse Lux."

"Is Tse a title? The other guy was Tse something too."

"Yes."

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"Do you guys think your world would benefit from taking, don't know, vaccines and better seeds back with you? Can I have a piece of Maitimo, Cam -"

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"Does it have to be a hair, he'd probably be horrified - which one, for that matter -"

"That's why we took shifts," says Tse Lux. "Saving up for stuff."

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"We have a lot of money and would be very happy to help you cover that - and it doesn't have to be a hair, fingernail or something would work - not the four-year-old -"

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"Why's that?" asks Tse Lux.

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"We have a lot of money because Cam is a demon, demons can make arbitrary material objects, Bar accepts money made by demons as legitimate."

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"I mean why do you want to help with the seeds thing."

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"General preference for human flourishing everywhere?"

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"I... guess you could add to our tabs."

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"Thanks." And what happens if he Polyjuices into his Elf alt -

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"Oh, wow. Oh, wow. You should try this, see if you get more than five seconds if you're not trying to nope it - gosh you're so pretty -"

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"The eyesight's that compelling?"

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"The eyesight's kind of ridiculous - it's just generally a very pleasant body to be in, feels very alive -"

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"So you're not about to keel over, pretty sure?"

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"I feel totally disinclined to keel over!"

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Cam tugs him out into the hallway. There being nobody there he reaches for Timothy's hair.

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Timothy collapses against him, gasping - "oh, wow - oh, wow -"

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Pet pet.

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He mostly manages to stay on his feet but those are a lot of bewildered delighted whimpering noises -

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"Lasts an hour?"

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Timothy can pick him up now! Pretty easily, even!!!

He does that.

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Well, not in the main bar area he's not (poor Bar) or on the stairs either, seems dangerous.

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How responsible they will totally make it all the way to their room.

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Where there can be more hairpets.

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He is giggling helplessly. "How do they even manage - the whole species - poor things -"

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"They keep it braided all the time, is how."

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"It is -" gasp - "astonishing they were functional - long enough to invent hairbraiding -"

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"That and they're prudes?" Scritch scritch.

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"A necessary adaptation if you can practically get off on scratching each others' scalps!!!!!"

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"Only 'practically'?" wonders Cam.

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"I absolutely refuse to get off on hairpetting that is -" aaah - "ridiculous -"

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"So I should stop?"

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He does not get a coherent answer but the incoherent answer is not especially 'stop' flavored.

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"Didn't think so."

Cam kisses the top of his head.

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He strains his neck to nudge his head against Cam and continues giggling hopelessly.

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"You're so soft!"

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So soft! And so terribly incoherent and distracted and exceptionally pretty!

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It's lovely.

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It wears off eventually. He is rather wrung out when it does. "Shame it doesn't work on daeva, bet it'd sell - very well -"

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"Technically haven't tried giving the potion permission and suppressing the healing thing."

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"Well. You could try it at some point. No convenient alt to grab from, though."

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"I could make a basement dweller Elf that looked like me." Pause. "Er -" ... "Okay, you did not get a chip or if you did it counted as magic."

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"- oh, good, that'd be - well, it would have an awful lot of implications."

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"Yes, not the sort of thing you'd want to have done by mistake necessarily."

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"If it turns out we don't daevafy we should maybe experiment with chipping someone Polyjuiced into the right kind of Elf, immortality-with-serious-drawbacks seems better than running a constant risk of getting a rock dropped on my head and ceasing permanently to exist at all. But yes, not a good accident. Though if I got his memory and attention thingies I think I'd take it - those're so tempting -"

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"They really are. If you can't daevafy by all means revisit the question."

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"We'll have to actually leave our door open a while, probably months, to get an answer on that one."

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"It's inconvenient."

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"Yeah." Yawn. Snuggle. "Shame Polyjuice is such a hassle to make."

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"How bad is it?"

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"Takes like two months and some expensive ingredients which are probably too magic for you to make them, it's not like Felix but it's not obviously scalable to handle chipping-immortality if that were to be something we wanted to do."

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"Damn."

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"Yeah. Can you get a demonic boomslang snake..."

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Can he?

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Yep that's a snake! 

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"Yes." ...now it's in a box. "Are they venomous?"

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"- honestly I was assuming they were magic - if they're not scaling the potion might be tractable - no idea -"

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Computer computer - "Nope, Revelation has those. And they are in fact deadly venomous, that's fun."

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"Ooops. In that case they only have one definitely-magical ingredient - the bicorn horn - and we could probably breed a ton of them if we turn out to need it -"

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"Bicorns? There are bicorns?"

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"Yes? What, does Revelation have fiction about them? That's weird."

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"No, we don't! We have fiction about unicorns."

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"Those exist too."

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"Bet you Amriac wants to see unicorns. Do they have a thing about virgins?"

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"Not that I know of. Should they?"

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"Part of the mythos back home."

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"They typically like girls better than boys but I wouldn't expect that to be the explanation. I am sure Amriac can have a meet-and-greet."

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"Do they issue greetings, are unicorns sapient?"

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"Not that I know of. Killing them for personal gain is super dark magic but that only loosely tracks ethical import, in my experience."

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"Are you allowed to kill them for other reasons?"

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"It's not legal but it's not overtly associated with horrible rituals in which you sacrifice pieces of your sanity and other peoples' lives for unhappy longevity."

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"Unhappy longevity?"

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"Yeah, it's supposed to be a 'cursed half-life'. I haven't actually looked into it much; might've when I was older."

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"Well, it certainly has terrible ad copy, at any rate."

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"Perhaps the publicists were looking out for the concerns of the unicorns."

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"They're charismatic megafauna if anything is. I assume. Maybe unicorns are actually really ugly."

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"No, no, very pretty. Shiny and fluffy at the same time."

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"Aww."

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"I can introduce you to a unicorn, too, if you want."

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"If you can get ahold of one. I still don't want to leave the bar into another world."

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"Might have a hard time talking one into Hogwarts. Shall we go leave a tab for the people saving up for vaccinations and crops -"

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"Yes, it was a lovely idea. Just got distracted."

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"It was very distracting." Clothes!

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Oh gosh clothes! "To go with the braiding thing Elves also have no nudity taboo, if the bar conformed to their standards it would require braids but not clothes. I discovered this when I was looking for what things people on Valinor were enjoying from the library of Hell, they liked some of the softcore porn as long as the models had their hair up." Downstairs!

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"They took issue with the porn that they actually found erotic?"

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"Prudes," Cam explains. "They immediately censored any porn they couldn't interpret as portraiture, and shampoo commercials."

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He bursts into giggles. "That's adorable."

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"I know, right? They liked music without lyrics; our lyrics lasted only till each song was translsted. And alphabet books, A is for apple and so on."

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" - I assume there are books for people older than three in Revelation that aren't pornographic."

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"The Elves don't like to read about antisocial behavior."

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"Aaaand I'm back to being super glad I'm not an Elf. Wow. No wonder none of them have any coping skills and they fail to think what could go wrong about swearing to kill anyone who steals your Silmarils."

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"Yep. I mean they have great aesthetics and astonishingly low crime rates but it'd be very hard to hold a movie night with them." He drops a heap of cash on Bar. "For the mages. - Oh hey I haven't made you watch Atriama yet."

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"Ooooh!"

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"It is my favorite thing and you have to like it."

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"Oh? What if I think it's terribly tedious? Is that it, will you never speak to me again?"

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"I'd probably try a different performance of it first in case you just didn't like that director or something."

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Giggle. Kiss. "Perhaps we'd have to summon the whole cast for a live performance."

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"Whenever somebody sufficiently professional to advertise puts it on I try to go see it but my favorite one was a very limited run while I was on a summons that ran long. At least they recorded it, demons are good about recording things."

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"What sort of things tend to make a summon run long - what do people in Revelation even summon daeva to do -"

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"Early days of space colonization, they had me fuel a ship to Mars - they didn't want to rely solely on a fairy, could've quit in the middle and you can't summon in zero gravity so they'd have been stranded till mission control could send them a new one, I was backup. I really thought they might let me terraform it when we got there. Nope."

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"It's kind of infuriating how thickheaded they are about daeva when they're so precious about everything else. I suppose the Elves will get on splendidly with them."

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"They're precious about different things and humans are higher variance."

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"I really want updates from Maitimo on how that's going. Too bad about the time thing."

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"It's mostly convenient, just not there in particular. I can go hold the door some more."

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"No, no, we were going to watch Atriama."

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"We can do that while I hold the door."

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"Well, in that case all right."

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So Cam goes and holds the door and makes a screen big enough to do Atriama justice.

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And luckily he likes it very much and Cam does not have to stop speaking to him at all!!

 

"That must take so much practice. I'm terribly impressed."

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Kiss. "Aerial ballets are complicated!"

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"They look it!" Kiss. Snuggle. 

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"I'm glad you like it. I would not actually stop speaking to you if you didn't though."

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"I was not actually too worried."

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"It would not have been a very credible threat."

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"You have yet to find other satisfactory sources of hours of highly specific praise!"

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"I recorded it."

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"Awwwwwwww. The conversational privacy spell didn't interfere? I should probably be careful of that, in other contexts."

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"I suppose it's possible the file is empty, I haven't tried replaying it."

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"There's more where that came from, if the file is dissatisfying."

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"I wouldn't want you to run out. Does the spell prevent notetaking? I'd expect it to work like that."

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"No, notetaking's okay, but if a different person had hidden a dictation quill that one wouldn't catch it. 

 

And I don't think I'll run out. You rather rack them up."

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"For all you know I'll seem repetitive after a year."

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"You're expecting we'll have solved all of the problems in the world for so many worlds in the next year that it'll get repetitive? And that this'll bother me?"

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"Maybe the worlds get samey! Preferable, sure, the spice of life, no."

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"They won't all have the same people - okay, admittedly so far they kind of have had all the same people, but that's been far from tedious -"

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"I don't think Revelation has a set of your family. Granted we have not checked."

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"Haven't checked for a you and Miranda in Flat Arda either, though somehow I just can't see you as a soul Elf twiddling your thumbs in pre-literate Tirion."

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"Maybe we're among the unlucky spontaneous humans. Or haven't been born yet even in the chip Elf timeline. Or we're an orc and don't get a chance to do anything. Or we're a Dwarf."

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Shudder. "Maybe you're one of the people mes murder five hundred years down the road. There're a lot of them."

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"Maybe we were on Valinor and two years old and I killed us, who knows."

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"I feel like that you would grow up and go 'yes perfectly reasonable' while a you I murdered without any expectation I could put them back -"

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"Would still be full of general magnanimity and intuitive understanding of game theory, come on."

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"He or she wouldn't be vindictive but they'd totally be angry. And right to be, I need to have methods of managing my father that don't involve precommitting to massacres or what am I even for -"

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Hug.

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Snuggle. Sigh.