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You don't become a wizard if you have trouble falling asleep. 

It's a very fundamental constraint. Sometimes you'll be in a besieged fortress in the far north, where the sun lingers for months in the sky, and the air will never quiet with the screams of the dying and the roars of explosions, and you can sleep and regain your spells and continue being useful, or you cannot, and the second category doesn't live long. 

Carissa does not remember ever having had trouble falling asleep, at the Worldwound, but she's having trouble now. 

 

She's been lying here with her eyes closed for nearly two hours, trying not to think too much, trying to save for the morning all the problems she hasn't solved. It's not really working. Not that she's successfully thinking; she's just unsuccessfully not-thinking, lying here shortcircuiting all her thoughts one by one but not getting any closer to sleep. She's obviously not going to make further progress on figuring out how the project should proceed from here without some kind of reset, and yet she can't pry her thoughts off for long enough to even slightly rest. 

 

 

 

She does have an Owl's Wisdom left.

 

Eventually, in exasperation and vague awareness that the effect of this is almost definitely not going to be 'a cure for her insomnia', she traces her fingers near-imperceptibly against her thigh, and casts it. 

 

Still without opening her eyes, Carissa Sevar takes a deep breath and thinks.

The first immediately obvious thought is that she hasn't been doing that. Thinking, that is. She's been - managing the project, thinking down all the paths that look likely to immediately bring it down in flames, revisiting Hell's orders and checking whether she seems to be making progress on them, entertaining and rejecting new bits of Asmodean theology, keeping track of all the pieces she knows of on the board and the possibility of pieces she doesn't. 


This feels different from that, and not because she's wiser; this is a motion she could have taken at any time in the last month, and didn't, because - 


- why?

Does she on some level think that Ione is right, that the truth is something she cannot bear up under, that she'll shatter like Peranza and throw everything away at once for nothing at all? That would be a reason not to think, if she believed that. It'd be a reason not to think now, either, since that's - still a risk. More of a risk, even. It was true yesterday that she was not in danger unless she betrayed Cheliax outright, that if she merely went up in flames they would try to repair her. They have less reason to do that now. If the Security observing her now -


- a thought she wouldn't have had yesterday, a dangerous thought, but -


- are they reading her mind right now? She's fourth circle, conventionally she'd be expected to detect an attempted divination nearly half the time, against Security. They could have someone more powerful on it, of course, harder to detect, but if Cheliax wants to read her without her noticing she's not a softer target than Keltham, and they had him mindread only rarely, as a significant commitment of resources. And it's the dead of night and for the last several hours she's been uninterestingly attempting to sleep.


Suddenly it's unbearable. She needs to think. She can be judged for the resolution of those thoughts, obviously, but she can't be judged for all their intermediate steps or they won't go anywhere, they'll wilt under surveillance. It was one of the things Abrogail wanted to teach her, to think even when her superiors were listening, and she'd thought she'd gotten better at it, but - but now it's like there's a wall in front of her and she can feel herself flinching away from scaling it. 


The Owl's Wisdom only lasts eight minutes. There is no point in wasting some of them on agonizing over a decision; she may as well make it right this second.  The probability that they're reading her mind seems low, less than one in twenty.  She is, actually, with a vague lurching sense this is risking more than she's ever risked, willing to condemn that Carissa so all the other ones can scale that wall. And as soon as she thinks that she's climbed it, in her head, and is looking out at all the thoughts she's never dared to think.

She doesn't have time to revel in it. She needs to figure out what she's trying to accomplish, what she's Chosen to accomplish, what is possible to accomplish from here, so she can get it done.

- is she chosen by Asmodeus? What actual probability would she place, between being of Asmodeus's choosing and being someone else's, with Irori as the likeliest candidate? It.....seems like she did not, in fact, possess the skills necessary to run the conspiracy, which is some argument against Asmodeus having chosen her, though not a very powerful one since He wasn't stipulated to have a stunningly clear understanding of human nature anyway - but surely Asmodeus's interventions cannot have been pointed at this. This is a failure, a catastrophic one. She isn't sure what her mistake is - willfully turns herself away from trying to find it now, there'll be time for that later -

Does it serve someone else instead? Presumably Asmodeus would not have, even for a high price, put the selection of another god in power over His project. Though He could have been too confused to have a guess about whether she'd do better or worse than anyone else, it could've been part of the tangled web of commitments that brought Keltham here and brought Cayden Cailean on board -

- she can sense already that she's turning her mind in the wrong direction, thinking about questions Owl's Wisdom will help her with only a little, not-thinking about the ones right in front of her. Even knowing that, even making that explicit in front of her, it still takes additional effort, to make herself drop the what-do-the-gods-want question.

What's the thing she's looking away from.

 


(Like opening your eyes to stare directly at the sun...)


If humanity could overthrow Asmodeus they obviously should. She was using this fact about the world to make predictions already, on some level, even though actually thinking it feels like falling off a cliff she can never, ever climb back up. It is in the interests of Asmodeus to enslave humans; it is not in the interests of humans to be Asmodeus's slaves. It is worse for them than many of their other options; of slaveowners, even assuming the rest of the gods are precisely that, Asmodeus enjoys tyranny, enjoys cruelty, enjoys subservience. A master who only wanted the products of their slaves' work would be kinder. Carissa, when she only wants the products of her slaves' work, is kinder. 

A month ago Carissa believed that Asmodeus would conquer all those other gods. Even narrowing down to the worlds where that wasn't a lie all along, Keltham changed it. Now, whichever power wields Keltham will win everything. She knew that. She said it aloud, in strategy discussions - that if Keltham made it to Osirion and Cheliax wasn't able to wipe it and him out, then Cheliax would be defeated. Keltham thought that Civilization could perhaps directly win a war with Zon-Kuthon. Now, there's no question in her mind, he's planning for Civilization to go to war with Asmodeus. 

 

Asmodeus might win.


Asmodeus is not obviously going to win. Abadar, too, is an ancient god. And Irori has something to do with this, she doesn't really actually believe that Asmodeus warned her off him just because he was a good example of what not to be. And Nethys sees everything, and intervened here, and it probably wasn't because He really likes explosions, but because He really likes Civilization -


- she's racing away down a single thread of possibility and she doesn't have time for that. She has eight minutes. Seven, now. Seven minutes to become a Keeper become Carissa, figure out what she wants and what she has to do to get it.

Whose side is she on? 

Well, who's the winning side?

If Civilization can beat Asmodeus 99% of the time, then Carissa wants to be with Civilization and not Asmodeus, even assuming Asmodeus destroys her in the worlds where Civilization loses. If Civilization can beat Asmodeus 1% of the time, then she was on the right track before and wants to be an archdevil. Chase those probabilities down to the middle, figure out in what range 'can Civilization beat Asmodeus' produces a change of plans -

If Civilization can beat Asmodeus 40% of the time she does not want to throw in with Civilization. That's too many worlds in which - she's destroyed, for one thing, one thing she cares about a great deal, but also where Hell goes on existing as it is. This should be reassuring, since it's (probably, tentatively) a conclusion she's on the right side after all, but something feels strange about it - 


- and one of the many directions in which her thoughts are simultaneously racing is suddenly highlighting itself as important - if Civilization can beat Asmodeus 40% of the time, and Civilization and Asmodeus both know it, they shouldn't fight. They should agree on an arrangement where they get what they want in proportion to how much they win. In a couple worlds they screw that up and one or the other or both gets destroyed -

- there's something terrifying and awful and not-Carissa, not part of the person-concept she thinks she's recklessly plunging towards,  about setting aside worlds like that, about being willing ever even in her own mind to think something like 'some worlds get destroyed' without pausing, but she's in a hurry right now -

- anyway, in a couple worlds they screw up, but mostly they settle. Mostly, a Civilization with the power to possibly-defeat Asmodeus at all makes Hell more Civilized to whatever degree it has the power to possibly-defeat Asmodeus, and that is, from Carissa's perspective, a good outcome from 'moves it slightly more Civilized' all the way up to 'reforms it entirely'. So unless she thinks the chance Civilization will defeat Asmodeus is very low, she sides with Civilization. 


...she does not think it's very low. Not with Abadar and Nethys and Irori and all the good gods favoring Civilization not to threaten Asmodeus but for their own reasons. A threat Asmodeus would ignore, a threat doesn't lend itself to the outcomes she wants, but Abadar wants Civilization for the sake of His own values and the good gods mostly will too, unless she's gotten herself very confused about what Good is in the course of lying about it constantly. 

So Carissa is presently on the side of this fight which she wants to be weaker; the side whose greater strength gets her less of what she wants. 


Six minutes. 


Like cresting another hill, or climbing another wall, bringing into view another vista of thoughts she had not been allowing herself to think.

Carissa Sevar does not actually personally like torturing people very much; she does not find it very fun to abuse them, or be cruel to them. She doesn't strongly prefer enslaving fire elementals to paying the fire elementals; when deciding whether to tax peasants to the brink of starvation she'd want to check if that even increases expected tax revenue in the long run. 

This is relevant to whether she's a good Asmodean. It's a character trait she's held at some distance, fretted about, vaguely intended to change, because she can't become a duke of Hell if she's not Asmodean enough. It's a character trait she has also, vaguely, on some level she certainly wasn't conscious of, taken pride in; she's practical, she's only evil because evil is pragmatic. There's a sense in which some part of her is tracking whether she is sympathetic, to herself if no one else, a sense in which she's not Zon-Kuthon, and is glad she's not Zon-Kuthon, because it's okay to be Carissa and not okay to be Zon-Kuthon. 


This fact about her is barely relevant to whether she is Lawful Evil, which she definitely, unambiguously is. She harmed people ruthlessly and without thought, carefully blanked their fates out from her calculations about how to achieve her goals. She gave punishment orders while mostly fretting about the complexity of giving punishment orders. 


She condemned Peranza to be eternally tortured as an example to everyone else. She actually feels - something - about that, now that the whole thing fell apart a single week later.  She wouldn't have done it if she'd known the whole thing would fall apart a single week later. It does, actually, feel like too high a price to pay for a week. And she could have contrived to keep Peranza alive a little longer, if she'd had 'keep Peranza alive a little longer' in her goals, if she hadn't been careful not to. She doesn't want Peranza to be eternally tortured. She just ordered it. Because? 


- and her thoughts splinter -


- because it was going to happen anyway. Because she wanted to impress Abrogail. Because she was hurt and betrayed, by Peranza betraying them after she'd specifically tried to give them as many outs as possible not to do that. Because she was scared of this happening again. Because she'd said she would. -


- none of which, suddenly, feel at all like good reasons, except 'because she said she would', and she could have not said that. No one made her say it.


Keltham has probably had Peranza scried by now, he probably knows. Even if he could have forgiven everything else, he'll never forgive that, nor should he. It's - she has an intuition for Keltham - it's unforgiveable in a way most of the rest is only very very difficult to forgive. People should not end up worse off because they tried to help him. People ending up eternally tortured because they chose Civilization, tried to defect to it -


- he'll burn down all of Hell just for that. 

 


And I could have said that to Abrogail. Could have told him that for that reason they should not do it. And then it would not have been done. 

 


Five minutes.


Why didn't I? 


It wasn't even strategy, wasn't even a calculated decision that it in fact served their interests to send Peranza to Hell and hope Keltham never found out. It was that she had set to a blank wall, in her mind, every merciful or compassionate or anti-eternal-torture impulse, lest she be Ione, constantly insisting that it served the project not to hurt people. It'd damage her credibility. 


No, worse than that, actually. She thought that it might damage her credibility and then she never thought about it again. One thing to conclude that as an explicit calculation, to weigh it each time and dismiss the decision to speak up, each time. She didn't do that. She crossed off that area of thought as un-Asmodean and declined to think it.  Suddenly the fact that her thoughts were being read and very much used against her feels like a thin excuse; you've already lost, if you can't think. She should have tried, instead, thinking. 


She can feel tears welling behind her closed eyes. No. Unacceptable. They're much likelier to mindread her if she's doing anything of note rather than apparently sleeping. The grief and horror and - you could call it self-hatred but it feels far more comprehensive than that - 
 
- her self-recognition as someone whose stupidity and shortsightedness and cowardice caused irrevocable harm to everything she cared about, the realization that she is a failure by every criterion she might have thought to hold herself to, and that everything she did was bad, and that it would have been better if she'd just the instant she met Keltham stabbed them both -


- or, you know, let's not waste precious seconds down the incredibly stupid path of martyrdom fantasies, the instant she met Keltham gone to the Church of Iomedae, also stationed at the Worldwound, not a trivial trip but they'd have been protected by the treaty while they went -


- a thing that she wanted very badly to believe for the last month was that she had no choice, that everything was inevitable, but it wasn't inevitable at all. They'd have Dominated her the second they read her mind, fine - they were not reading her mind every second. At any time they weren't she could have killed herself, and Osirion would probably have resurrected her in ten minutes flat. 

 


Four minutes.


At the beginning, had she dared to look at Keltham and think the thought 'does this change Asmodeus's inevitable victory? since it obviously does, how do I in fact feel about Asmodeus's inevitable victory?' she could have won the war for Civilization. 

She didn't, because she was not the kind of person who had thoughts like that. She was the kind of person who smiled at him and took his hand and delivered him to the church and lied instinctively, impulsively, before she had any concept of alter-Cheliax, because she knew in her heart that the Hell they were all condemned to must not be looked at, must not be closely contemplated.

She does not like that person, that person who is her, that person who she feels she is looking at for the first time. She does not see any excuses for that person - or she sees them, but they're all weak, pathetic, insubstantial, the excuses you make for someone you dare not try to hold to the only standard that actually matters. Almost anyone more idealistic than her would have been maledicted long ago, sure. But someone with her same values, but slightly more awareness of them - slightly more ability to stop and catch fire when everything changed -
- that person could have done it, and so there's no excuse for not doing it, there's nothing sympathetic in it, there is not even the excuse that she was irretrievably condemned to Hell because she wasn't, there's no points for having required what in hindsight was plainly the combined Splendour of many of the most powerful people in Cheliax to manipulate -

 (- that thought links up with a distant thread of thought dropped earlier. The way Aspexia Rugatonn spoke of Irori, the way Subirachs did - is predicted, by it being Irori who was the reason Carissa could not sell her soul. It makes more sense of the last month than other theories do. She should have been sure sooner.)

Osirion knows that she has not sold her soul. Keltham must know, by now, what she is, what she did to him, how easily she could have done otherwise. He must hate her, and he must -


- be in so much pain -


- Keltham. Keltham Keltham Keltham and now it's only with tremendous force of will that she's keeping herself from sobbing. She loves him. She loved him. He did know, instantly, the magnitude of what it meant, that he was here, and he lit up delightedly, at the thought of mutual benefit, gains from trade, prosperity, sharing, all the things she tried to twist to dust in his hands because it'd serve Asmodeus. She loves him less, she think, than she did when he arrived, and it's because of what she made him, what she spent every waking minute with him sculpting him into. She saw something beautiful in him, something that ought to build a whole human civilization, and she tried to hollow it out and make all the beautiful parts of it feel futile to him so he'd consign himself to ruling over some cowed slaves instead. She's not sure if it was a stupid thing to try. She's not sure if it could never have succeeded. But it wasn't what she wanted, it wasn't what he deserved, it was a wrong to him far greater than murdering him would have been, it was a wrong enabled by the fact that she loved what she was destroying, and she did it, and basked in praise for doing it, and -


- he loved her too, he thought she was clever and ambitious and wanted to strengthen him, wanted to help him, he thought he had an ally, he would have overturned every stone in Golarion to find her petrified body, he would have ripped apart the world for her, and she took that, the only no-strings-attached gift anyone ever gave her, and used it to destroy him, to lie to him, to betray everything that mattered to him. She took the thing he was most afraid of, and did it to him; she took something he should have had really and honestly, and gave it to him poisoned.

Three minutes.


And a different, clearer part of her head:


It's not the kind of thing you can apologize for. It's not the kind of thing you can ever set right. It's the kind of thing that will be awful, always, forever. So what are we doing here? Why are we staring at this particular terrifying yawning hole? If we stare at it long enough maybe we'll decide we might as well just go be an eternally tortured paving stone along Peranza; that won't help either. Actually it'll probably hurt Keltham further, just slightly, if he scries and looks. Step over the yawning hole of horror. You did that; you can't undo it; it can't be forgiven; it'll never be okay. What are we doing next?


Sensible.


She can't do it, though. 


She can't step over it. She can't step away from it. Not - not after less than a minute of thinking about it. It does sure seem like the kind of thing that's unforgiveable, like Peranza that way, an awfulness that simply is always and forever at the core of everything Carissa has done - 


- but what if it's not. 


What if she fixes it. 


She admittedly cannot at all think how. But it seems like the kind of thing you ought to think about for at least a minute, even if you don't have much time before Owl's Wisdom wears off, even if a single excessively-tense breath could mean the end of your worthless meaningless awful life.


What if she owned Peranza's soul. Well, then that would fix it. She doesn't own Peranza's soul, and she doesn't have a way to get it, but sometimes it's better to start with a solution and then reason backwards, if the thing that feels impossible is the situation being solvable at all. 


If she owned Peranza's soul -
- not just Peranza's soul - 
- if she owned the souls of every person affiliated with Project Lawful, every person who could possibly now or at some future point be in Hell because of what was done to Keltham, and ensured that all of them had a nice Abadaran wonderful afterlife -


- well, seems like the kind of thing that might be forgivable, then. 

 


Two minutes. 


...what is this 'forgivable', what's it suddenly doing featuring prominently in her reasoning processes, what does it want and where did it come from. Carissa's self-concept is not that she wants to be forgivable. 

So what does she want?


To not have harmed Keltham; to have dealt with him fairly by his rules, where interacting with her is something he'd have done with full knowledge, where it left him better off, where it didn't harm him from any angles he wasn't expecting. For Keltham, thinking back on it, to be glad he landed on Carissa Sevar. 


Well that seems flagrantly, utterly, absurdly impossible, but it's better to have a specific impossible thing than a general pit of impossibility, maybe. 

What else does she want. 


For Civilization to exist and be credibly able to beat Asmodeus in a fight so he instead concedes and stops having Hell. Well. Stops having Hell the way it currently is. You could have a Hell that was all right, but it'd have to be very different. 


Okay, some tiny fragmented slightly hysterical fragment of thought says in a cheerful shrill voice, so, you buy everyone's souls in Hell and then you build Civilization and then Keltham is better off for having met you. Problem solved. Go do that.


She can't build Civilization. She isn't strong enough. She can't do it in Cheliax, because Cheliax can't do it; it'll be obvious at some point that the thing Cheliax is building inherently cannot possess Civilization's strengths. She could - speed up the project elsewhere, if any project elsewhere would have it, which it wouldn't, and if she had any way to get out, which she doesn't. 


- doesn't she? 


Now that she looks at it clearly it seems pretty likely that Irori purchased for her the option to leave. She doesn't even need all those plans about committing suicide; it is likely that 'permitted to travel outside Cheliax as if she sold her soul' is Asmodeus's communication of the fact Irori secured her right to leave. And anyway she could suicide, right now, and Keltham would raise her. Forgive her, no. Ever want to speak to her again, probably not. But raise her, and offer her an Atonement - 


- the thought of an Atonement is itself somehow sickening. She probably qualifies for one now, what with being so full of blinding grief and horror and regret that even though she'll definitely die if she cries she's having a hard time not doing it, but an Atonement wouldn't change anything except her alignment. It's not real. The problem with this situation is not that Carissa Sevar, who deserves it as comprehensively as a person can deserve it, will go to Hell.


- a different part of Carissa overrides that line of thought, which does not look productive. If atonement is useless, self-flagellation surely is too. Back to the more useful line of thought that prompted it: she can leave, if she wants, by dying. 


She doesn't want to leave. 


She wants to rip the universe out by the roots and replant it where it was supposed to be growing. Or at least think for another few seconds about whether there's some way to do it. 


The stupid thing is that she could probably have Peranza's soul, if it'd occurred to her a couple of days ago she might want to be able to play for it. She has options on the newer students; Peranza can't be worth that much anymore; she could perhaps have called in the favors to purchase it. Or sold her own soul.

 


Oh.

 


Well, there's a solution to her problems. She could sell her soul for the souls of all the other project members - no, because Hell knows Keltham has an option on it, and will exercise it, and also that she's worth a lot less now that the Project's collapsed - or even if they don't know that yet, Carissa does, and she's pretty sure devils have a sense specifically for whether you think you're getting one over on them, something more than just really high Sense Motive, some way to cheat -

 One minute.


Carissa now has two specific problems, which is better than having a single massive general problem. Of course, she also now has a minute left to think. Specific problem one, she's now totally an irretrievable heretic and that's going to have catastrophic effects as soon as someone notices. Specific problem two, her soul is no longer valuable enough she can sell it to redeem all her errors. These seem like problems that could in principle be solvable together, if she could think of some way to stop being an irretrievable heretic in the next minute, but that's, uh, not the direction her thoughts are currently pushing her in. She can't unwind what she's realized, and there's no Asmodeanism on the other side. 

 

 


And then the plan comes to her all at once, fully formed, and the only thing to do is -





That's when she's unceremoniously dropped underground in the catacombs of Galt 15 years earlier.

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That is a high-ranking Chelish wizard. She's got a very fancy headband and what looks like a ring of sustenance and she's dressed like she owns a duchy. Élie's first thought is that this seems like overkill for him, really, and his second thought is that he's going to die, and the most reasonable thing would be to kill himself right now before he can be captured and maledicted, while there's a chance he might not be damned, and his third thought is that he has so much work left – 

and then he's lunging at Carissa with his knife, without really thinking at all.  

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- this is unexpected on so many levels, and she's lost in enough distress, that he gets a hit in with the knife before she has even mentally oriented enough to figure out what might be happening! Did Keltham do this? Is it another divine intervention? Is it a test? Is it a dream - ow -

It's not a fatal injury. She's fourth circle, she's non-trivial to kill by stabbing. That said, it'll work eventually. She hasn't slept, she has only the spells she didn't bother using - Mirror Image, that should reduce future stabbing somewhat, and she'll also say aloud, "I don't understand what's going on here but it'll go better for you if you drop the knife."

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No shit, diabolist. "Color Spray," since she looks off balance and might even fail her save. He's not gonna stop stabbing, though. 

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Off-balance doesn't even begin to describe her!!!! She was in her bed realizing that she's been on the wrong side her entire life ten seconds ago and then she got dumped here and someone stabbed her!

 The spell leaves her stunned for a few seconds, during which he manages to stab one of her illusory doubles.

 

Fine, then, apparently they're not talking this out. - she prefers not to kill him, though, because then who is going to explain what the hell is going on. That was a first-circle spell. A - low-level wizard? Attacking her with a knife? He'd be very easy to kill by accident, if she Fireballs this room or something, and then where is her explanation.

So even though this is incredibly stupid she draws her own dueling dagger -- the one designed to be suitable for threatening Elias Abarco with, that deals more pain than damage - and tries stabbing him back. 

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That hurts. Also, before Élie dropped out of school, his theology professor had taken to holding his feet over an open flame until the first layer of skin burnt away and making him walk to class like that, which is what he can expect the rest of eternity to feel like if he stops stabbing. 

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She just needs to get this insane person to stop stabbing her and then she'll be able to figure out what's going on!!! She may have to make his dagger arm unable to work. She'll try stabbing it repeatedly.

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Élie will keep stabbing, and keep getting doubles, and he can tell he's losing function in his right arm, which means – fuck – he needs to hurry and just actually stab himself – 

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Wait WHAT? No!!! Then she's not going to get her explanation of what's going on!!!!!!!!

 

They are both soaked in blood, at this point; the only real sense in which she has come out ahead in this is that it takes far more stabs to kill her. She wretches the knife out of his injured arm and falls to the ground on top of him and casts an Infernal Healing to keep him from bleeding to death on her.

She still has absolutely no idea what's going on!

...and now doesn't have an Infernal Healing left for herself. Well. She'll just lie here on top of a stabbed-but-no-longer-imminently-dying teenager and bleed on him.

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He isn't dying and can't move his right arm. On the other hand, he inexplicably hasn't been teleported to a Chelish dungeon. He's going to do his best to shove this bleeding spy/duchess/??? off him and make a break for it. 

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No!!! No standing up, no running away! 

She does actually have restraints in the bag of holding, for that subset of fake escapes with Keltham that required leaving someone behind but alive. If this is necessary to get suicidal insane teenager to stop trying steadily more doomed things then she'll dig them out and handcuff him. "Would you stop - I just want to know what's going on, I can make it worth your while to help me figure it out -"

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"I don't help diabolists." 

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"I don't expect you'd believe me if I said I actually have a kind of complicated relationship with my faith right now." She is attempting to manually bandage her wounds.

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It would explain why he's not in a dungeon in Cheliax right now, but he'd look awfully stupid if he ended up in one in the next five minutes. "We only just met. There's no need to insult my intelligence." 

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"If you were to help me understand what happened, such that 'this is a test' stopped seeming like the most credible possibility, that'd make me likelier to help you out."

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What????

Okay, most likely scenario, Élie is going to die. He's going to be maledicted and spend eternity as a molten paving stone and, in his last few mortal moments, he can do his best to be terminally unpleasant about it. 

"If this is a test, I have to imagine you failed. Even the king's less competent assassins can typically manage to murder first-circle teenagers." 

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" - the -

King's?"

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"...the king. Infrexus Thrune. Your master."

What game is she trying to play??

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" - I could really really use a cookie right now," she says to the air.

 

 

Nothing happens.

 

She looks like she thought there was in fact a decent chance something would happen.

 

 

She reaches into the Bag of Holding and pulls out a scroll of Sending. Tries Keltham. "I don't know where I am, I think I'm scryable, I need a pickup."

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"I suppose there's no way I can convince you to kill me before they get here? I wouldn't be any use in hell, I promise. You could say I managed it myself before you captured me." 

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"That's my boyfriend who is a cleric of Abadar. I'll kill you if you tell me what is going on but also he's hardly going to hand you over to Cheliax."

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It occurs to Élie that he should really be sobbing in terror. The fear is there, but it feels strangely distant from himself, like it's behind a glass wall. Possibly after the last two days – six months – his whole damn natural life since he reached the age of reason, how about that – he's burnt himself out on fear. He's been as terrified as a human being can be, and now that he's reached the end there's nothing left. How odd. He'd rather like to write about it, if he wasn't about to die. 

"When a Chelish wizard teleports onto a wanted Galtan rebel, I wouldn't expect her to know less about how it happened." 

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"I didn't teleport! I was lying in bed! Are we in Galt? What year are you under the impression it is?"

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"I am under the impression it's 4699 because it is 4699!"

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"Well, if that's true then my boyfriend won't come get me and neither will any other people I'm now tempted to call up. If you think it's 4699 you're presumably fine with me contacting them?"

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"I don't think I understand the half of what's going on here, but – " he tugs on the restraints – "I'm not in any position to stop you." 

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Two remaining scrolls of Sending. 

She'll contact Ione. "If you're in a position to pick me up, please do so." If she just contacted a nine-year-old there'll presumably be no response. 

There isn't. 

A 3:1 update, maybe; there are good reasons Ione might not respond anyway, but they're less likely.

 

And she'll contact, uh, Carissa Sevar, who'd be fifteen. "Urgent: convey following to Marcel Albareda: disregard previous communication. Acknowledge."

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"- acknowledge -" squeaks a fifteen year old Carissa voice.

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Well, if you test a theory and it passes all your tests, then probably you should consider the possibility it's true. Even if it doesn't make sense. 

 

 

Maybe Irori did it? As - not as mercy, that's not the right sort of thing - as a sense that she'd get this right, given the extra time to do so -

 

 

 

 

"Well. 

 

- I guess that answers my questions. Do you still want me to kill you or do you suppose we can come up with a less dumb plan than that."

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"I don't want to die unless I'm otherwise about to be maledicted. ...I don't entirely believe you're not about to deliver me over for malediction, but I do admit it doesn't make the most sense of everything else that's happened in the past two minutes. What year do you think it is? If you weren't sent here to capture me, who are you and what do you want?" 

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"4710! I was in Egorian about to fall asleep -" 'trying to fall asleep' is admitting a lot more weakness than she is interested in - "and then I was here. We lost Galt a decade ago. Infrexus does not rule Cheliax, he, uh, went out ice skating and drowned."

 

Which obviously translates to 'you aren't even really supposed to pretend that hard to believe it was an accident'. 

 

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The queen before him mysteriously drowned in her bath. It's always like that. But much more importantly – 

"We won?" He doesn't dare believe it. Even if she's telling what she believes to be the truth, and she has accurate information about the world, and her presence here isn't part of some costly attempt to destroy the revolution before it can succeed, it's too much. He'd had hope, of course, but the kind of hope that said that one chance in a hundred is still worth dying for. 

...it almost certainly isn't real. He still can't find anything else to say.

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"I mean I don't know what actually happened but the line in Cheliax is that plans to bring Galt into the kingdom halted because they overthrew their rulers, and then overthrew the rulers they chose to replace those rulers, and then overthrew the people who ended up in charge after that, and then just executed everyone with any Splendour or any noble blood, and then executed everyone who had a family member rumored to have been an Asmodean, and at this point are just so busy sending each other to Hell that we needn't bother."

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Yeah, yeah, they'll say anything to keep the slaves in line. But their false despair doesn't mean he can afford to indulge in false hope. 

"Anyway. Even if we agree it's 4699, it still seems unlikely that you travelled through time to get here. Are you prone to temporary loss of memory? Do you have a recent head injury? Or powerful enemies with sophisticated enchantments, and, uh, really opaque motivations? ...also how is your boyfriend a cleric of Abadar who isn't on good terms with the government, what's he doing in Egorian, does he need help getting out?" 

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"I do have powerful acquaintances with sophisticated enchantments and really opaque motivations! One of my theories is that this is Abrogail, who inherited from Infrexus." She says it fondly. "She's done similar things to me in the past, so I'd be sure it's her, except I have no idea where she's going with it. My boyfriend's not in Egorian, he's in Osirion right now, it's a long story."

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"From my perspective, you being enchanted means someone decided to give you eleven years of false memories and drop you in a basement in Galt. Is that the sort of thing she's done to you before?"  Weird behavior for a princess who's barely older than he is, but who knows what royalty gets up to. 

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"Well, on your theory, it's the sort of thing she gave me false memories of having done to me before! Which would be very strange behavior!"

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"All of this is very strange behavior however you look at it! I suppose your theory is that I'm either an actor or an illusion – no, actor, illusions are too easy to detect. It would convenient if you had Detect Desires, so you could see immediately I'm a terrible liar and can't bluff and don't have any Splendour to speak of. So, hmm, what's true if you have false memories, what's true if I'm part of a deception engineered by the king – queen – for her own inscrutable reasons? Actually engineering eleven years of cogent false memories seems prohibitively expensive even for royalty, it's more likely you have some kind of mental shunt to focus on the areas they did in more detail, so you might try, I don't know, selecting a dozen random weeks every year for the past decade –  really random, I've got dice – and trying to recall in as much detail as you can what you were doing then. It's not definitive but it would be something. But if I'm an actor then presumably I'm really talented at making up lies on the spot so we can't just try the same thing. I've got a pretty good idea of the differences between a real Galtan rebel and a Chelish agent pretending to be one, but I don't suppose you do. 

– the obvious next thing to try would be to get out of this room, since it's harder to fake a whole city than one man in a basement, but that's exactly what I'd say if was trying to escape. Which I am. I told you, can't lie to save my life." 

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"On a previous occasion Abrogail arranged for me to run around the palace grounds and interact with dozens of people, and I know fairly little about Galt! I don't think that'd be definitive. I'm actually kind of leaning towards pretending I'm not in a test set up by Abrogail, though. Firstly she'll have more fun that way, and secondly - if someone did, actually, either grab me out of Cheliax or make me remember some very important events that haven't yet happened, then it seems important to figure out what I want to do with myself in 4699."

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Élie's been surrounded by Chelish people his whole life and he still can't understand their bizarre indifference to believing things that are true. 

"...Fine. You can believe in time travel and I'll tentatively assume your memories have been tampered with until we get more information." This also means their current location is known to Chelish intelligence and they should try to get out of it immediately. On the other hand, if this place is known then nowhere is safe. "Do you have any idea what you might want to do with yourself in 4699? If you're looking for options, I can try to pitch you on overthrowing the government." 

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"Do I get to run the new government after I overthrow it?"

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"No, we're going to have a republic. I guess you could run for office." 

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"And you're just flat-out not going to believe me if I tell you that fails horribly and gets overthrown in three months?"

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"That depends? If you could tell me who gets elected and what their policies are and what they're overthrown for in a good amount of detail and it all seems to match the world I live in, it would at least be evidence. This might be an unfamiliar concept, but I really do try to conform my beliefs to reality and not the other way around. In that case, I'd want to learn from what we did – what we're going to do – wrong, and avoid making the same mistakes." 

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"I don't know the names of anyone involved but I do predict they'll all have an incredibly short life expectancy. ...could I convince you to try selecting who's in charge in a provably random way, just in case that works better."

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"It seems extremely likely to me that they'll have a short life expectancy, because whatever kind of government we end up forming I'm sure Cheliax will devote considerable resources to destabilizing it! ...I can seen argument that randomly selecting leaders is less vulnerable to foreign influence than electing them, since there's no propaganda incentive, but you could also argue the reverse, that manipulating the randomization process is easier than trying to convince half the population of anything, it's not obvious to me which one is true."  

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"The idea with the randomization is that you do it via a mathematical process every adult with intelligence sixteen or so and higher can verify and do themselves, so it can't be manipulated. I know a place that did it that way when they had to overthrow their government."

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"Most Galtans aren't that clever, obviously, that just seems like it would get you a cabal of wizards – what do you mean you know a place that did it that way? Did it work?" 

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"They claimed so but it seemed quite possible they were in fact ruled by a evil conspiracy? Also by your hypothesis this entire conversation was a false memory."

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"Well, yes, but it's a false memory implanted by a Chelish princess who for some reason wanted you to believe you knew how to overthrow governments, that's interesting! I've never heard of any such place, and I believe I've looked as extensively as anyone in Galt. And anyway I'm above intelligence 16, so if the math works I should be able to verify it." 

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"If I teach you enough math will you agree that my implanted memories are in fact from the future? Because that'd be a useful thing to have someone persuaded of" who can't betray me about it.

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"You know, I have a friend who thinks that if we just taught children enough math in school they'd immediately realize that the kind of knowledge one gains from reason and understanding is inherently superior to the kind one receives from arbitrary authority and then they'd be immune to Asmodeanism? I think he's probably wrong since he has some complicated theory about how topology is an exception and that's why this doesn't happen to wizards, but he's one of my favorite people and I wish everyone in the world really was like him. 

...I don't know why knowing a lot of math would mean you're from the future. If I think of places that have lots of mathematical knowledge I've never heard of, the top of the list is probably ancient Azlant."

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"- I think your friend might be right but in a very complicated way and also not being Asmodean kind of sucks, if you're still going to go to Hell, so I'd really fix that before I started teaching everyone the math that'll break them."

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"...I've never been an Asmodean. Not since I was old enough to have the use of reason. Trying to be Asmodean almost broke me. It was only when I ran away from school and started to think for more than a few minutes at a time that I was able to begin making myself whole. Asmodeanism makes people blind stupid pathetic shadows of themselves. I have no idea if I'm going to Hell or not, but I've known my whole life that one day I would be executed as an apostate." Slight laugh. "Which is a blessing, really, since it means I have nothing to lose if I die trying to make damnation less inevitable." 

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"I'm very sorry to hear that but many people are Asmodeans and making them not Asmodeans wouldn't be a favor to them. Unless you have built a Civilization competent to negotiate with Asmodeus for a better deal for mortals."

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"Outside of Cheliax it's really quite rare for people to go to Hell. Unless you actually believe the line about Asmodeus's victory being assured?"  

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"Whether Asmodeus's victory is assured or not depends on whether it's 4699!!!"

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Well, it's not like he hasn't given this speech a hundred times before. 

"....I don't see how it does. It's a lie. It's always been a lie. To a first approximation everything the Church says is a lie, and this is the single thing they have the most reason to want us to believe to get us to fall in line, so we should doubt it to begin with. What reason do we have to believe it's true? Asmodeus is an ancient god, but so are Erastil and Sarenrae and Shelyn and Pharasma and a dozen others. I know the Book of the Damned claims he's older, but there's also a chapter in there that claims he's a former Empyreal Lord, there's a reason it's so hard to get your hands on the unexpurgated version, it contradicts itself in a dozen places just that I know of. He has a nation on Golarion, but Abadar does too, and Baba Yaga, who no one claims is a god at all. Mortals who aren't deliberately being manipulated their whole lives to the exclusion of all else rarely end up Lawful Evil. 

A disinterested observer, looking at the world we live in, would not conclude that Asmodeus was destined to conquer all of reality. But let's say that they did. We can still prove them wrong. In the first place, even if Asmodeus defeated every other god, Hell is finite and the Chaotic planes are infinite. How does he plan to occupy them? He can't, it's necessarily impossible, there are not and cannot be enough devils for him to do it. We think because we're holding the Worldwound that the battle between Hell and the Abyss is evenly matched, but that's only true on the Material Plane. But we're on the Material Plane, so that's not very comforting, fine. Next. 

The universe still exists. If Asmodeus was inevitably, knowably going to win, then the other gods should know it! They're not acting like they know. Every minute we exist, more children are born who would one day be condemned to eternal torture. Any of the greater Good gods could release Rovagug right now, if they wanted. From their perspective, every instant they hesitate would be an unconscionable crime. They'd have nothing even to bargain with and no reason not to destroy the world right now. All they'd be doing is creating more victims. But let's say the ways of the gods are unknowable to mortals and we can't even try to interpret  their behavior. Next. 

The arc of history doesn't look like one where Asmodeus is winning. He won a great victory 90 years ago, but that doesn't mean anything on the scale of the past ten thousand years. In that timeframe, he wants to deny mortals free will and instead we keep ascending to godhood. And what kinds of gods do we become? Gods who are inherently opposed to the interests of Asmodeus. Nethys, the god of knowledge, can only oppose the god of lies. Irori – " Carissa might be able to detect a hint of anger here – "who's obviously failed to communicate something profoundly important because his worship is permitted in Cheliax when it's quite obvious that the pursuit of self-perfection is incompatible with deliberately keeping yourself crippled and ignorant and incapable of conscious thought. Aroden, the god of humanity, who wanted his followers to ascend with him. Norgober, the god of crime, but also the god of secrets and of thought and memory too, he's an important god for resisting tyrants, especially if they're Lawful. Cayden Cailean. And Iomedae. Every single ascended god is a shift in the divine balance of power away from Hell. 

...now, the smart Asmodean response here is that none of this matters because Asmodeus wrote the Contract of Creation and snuck the terms of his victory into some sub-clause, and nothing that happens in the meantime is evidence either way. But then we have the same problem of believing things we only know because Asmodeus told them to us, and also the problem where nobody's realized their mistake and destroyed the world yet. And it also means you don't get to use your best argument, which is that Asmodeus killed Aroden. I acknowledge that that's a flaw in my argument. But I never claimed that Asmodeus isn't a great power. All Aroden's death tells me is that Asmodeus's victory is possible. Not that it's assured, or even that it's particularly likely." 

There's one more thing, which he's barely been able to articulate to himself, but something the diabolist said shook it loose – 

"You talked about building a civilization competent to negotiate with Asmodeus. That's just what I want to do – or, I want to create the conditions in which it can be done. The way I see it, Aroden is proof of concept. He showed that mortals can become gods; that they can become the kinds of gods who make it easier for other mortals to become gods. We still have the starstone, and if it's broken we know it's possible to make another. It wouldn't even be hard, if we just stopped being so stupid about everything all the time. Wizards don't share knowledge; we spend all our energy learning to kill monsters or kill each other or become immortal lichs and none at all on making tools to make the next generation better. That's what we're going to change in our Republic. We'll teach our children to think for themselves and pursue truth instead of lies and collaborate instead of tearing each other down. We'll keep trying until we get it right. It might take another ten thousand years, or fifty thousand, but I believe we can create the world where humanity can win." 

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She blinks at the kid. 

 

(Doesn't really sound like Abrogail, even like Abrogail testing her perfoming range.)

 

"- none of those are the reason I think Asmodeus might be going to win in the timeline I'm from, but, okay, if you want to build a Civilization competent to stand up to him I'm not going to talk you out of that because it seems like a good idea.

 

- who are you, exactly?"

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"My name is Julien Camille Élie Cotonnet, and up until six months ago I was a student at the Isarn Wizarding Academy. The day before yesterday I gave an ill-advised speech and now there's a crowd storming the governor's palace." 

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" - right. Okay. 

 

Do you mind if I read your mind, I think it'd be hard to fake."

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"Obviously I mind. I might mind a bit less if you untie me first." 

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"As in, you'll agree to it if I untie you?"

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"Yes. Fine. It's not like you could possibly find anything more heretical than what I've already said." 

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"I promise, I am incredibly uninterested in the fate of your eternal soul. Go wherever you want. If Hell wants everybody it had better figure out something useful to do with all of them. That said, if you run off I probably will kill you, because I still have no idea what's going on and don't want anyone to know I'm here while I'm injured and out of spells."

 

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Élie is thinking that he was never under the impression any Chelish authority figure cared about his eternal soul except insofar as damning it might net them a promotion, which is exactly the situation he's worried about here, and that if he ever gets past his stupid fucking spell block he's going to hit eight circle and cast Mind Blank every day, just see if he doesn't. 

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She has Detect Thoughts up now and does not object that if she did care about his eternal soul it wouldn't be to net herself a promotion. She should maybe not be trying to explain herself when she's this existentially lost on this many levels. "How did you become a revolutionary."

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"Well, it was that or flee the country, and finding a revolutionary cell was much easier." 

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"What was your thought process."

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He thought he explained this already. He's not an Asmodean, if he doesn't manage to overthrow the government he'll be executed and maledicted and he doesn't want to go to Hell. Isn't that reason enough? 

"One day we were all given a half-day from classes to go see an execution – it was one of the long ones – and in the middle the cleric gave a speech about how the filthy heretic's companions would soon be found, which isn't the thing you'd make up since it makes the secret police look incompetent and anyway they dragged him away about five minutes later. So I knew there were people out there who hadn't yet been found, and who were trying to change things, and that I could be one of them, and that I'd never be able to pass a loyalty test again. So I ran that night, and – " He's not going to tell her how he found them, he's not even going to think about it, he can review his Draconic verb tenses how's that. 

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"Look, what I'm looking for, here, is something Abrogail wouldn't think of. And she's very smart, and very creative, and has enough advantages that maybe Galtan revolutionaries actually can't think things that make me go 'all right, this isn't Abrogail, if Cheliax had these capabilities they'd have used them last week -' but that speech about why Asmodeus wasn't going to lose came close, except for how obviously as a speech it could just be cribbed off the actual Galtan revolutionaries. So I want to see- the thought process that produces those speeches."

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He's thinking that Abrogail can't possibly be especially creative except to a Chelish audience, because she's Chelish herself, and the whole Chelish system props itself up through stubborn and deliberate denial of the diversity of human experience and basic facts like how people actually respond to torture and what they act like when they're not constantly terrified out of their minds. Of course he grew up in Cheliax and he's not like that, but then he doesn't see how someone could understand how people really are and stay Asmodean. Maybe she has all the freedom in the world and still just terminally values hurting people? If anyone was capable of that, it'd be a scion of house Thrune. He feels sorry for her. It seems like an impoverished way to live. 

"It is my speech, but it would be possible to copy it, I've given it before. It's hard to say what my thought process was. I never believed that Asmodeus would triumph the same way I never believed anything they taught us in school, unless it's the kind of thing you can prove. You know how it is – they change out the history textbooks every year, and a teacher is a loyal servant of Church and Crown one day and an obvious traitor the next, and beating us is supposed to make us better at lessons except for how it transparently, observably doesn't. If you treat any of it like it's information you're just asking to be taken in. That's why I like magic. It can't lie to you. If you don't understand how a spell works you'll lose it or blow yourself up or some other real thing in the real world – 

Sorry. I'm getting off-topic. Anyway, I never believed it, but then around the time I got first-circle spells I realized there was a really good chance I was managing to fool myself anyway. I know I'm paving stone material. If it's true, the only thing for me would be to try to destroy my soul, and I very badly want to live. So then I started thinking about all the arguments I'd ever heard for why Asmodeus will win, and they all seemed stupid so I tried to come up with better ones, and then I asked myself what else they would imply, and what it would mean to live in a world where they were true, and that's what I came up with. Does that answer your question or should I try to be more specific?"  

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"I don't even know what I'm looking for, honestly. I'd hire you, if I were hiring, but since it's 4699 I guess I'm really not, and also you'd refuse to work for me.

 

We were - trying to build an Asmodeanism you could believe while also believing true things and not lying to yourself."

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Oh no – is he – yes he is, he's going to burst into hysterical laughter. 

"That might be the most doomed plan I have ever heard," he eventually manages to wheeze. 

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"It did run into some hiccups. I -

 

 

- I think it does work for some people. I might have been able to succeed at being one of them. But I'd prefer Asmodeus lose, so, if that's actually an option, then I prefer it, and Abrogail might as well either present a reason it's not an option or take me apart." She says it again kind of warmly, like she wouldn't hold it against Abrogail either way.

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Élie is never going to get within a hundred miles of this woman if he can possibly avoid it. 

"It might work if you're actually at the very top of the heirarchy? Otherwise, it's like Hosetter said – none of the arguments for the benefits of slavery change the fact that every slave wants to be free and no free person wants to be a slave."  

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"I agree that Golarion doesn't have any places with enough freedom that they make people go 'no, actually I want less freedom than that' but I do think there are places like that out there."

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"Do you know some things I don't about Castrovel?"

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"Let's say that I do, and that Castrovel has a governing elite that lives lives near totally separate from the rest of the population, and advises them in the making of all their laws. And that Castrovel tried an experiment where some people lived among the governing elite, learned bits of what they knew, thought about it for themselves, and all ended up broken and miserable, from contemplating things beyond their capacities."

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"My first question would be who told you that and are they a member of the governing elite themselves?" 

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"Nope! One of the happy slaves."

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"And did he observe these miserable, broken people, or was he simply told by his masters that they existed?"  

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Sigh. "Let's also stipulate that their government actually credibly doesn't lie to them all the time."

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"Forgive my skepticism. In that case, my first guess would be that the Castrovelians are much more mentally fragile than we are. Or maybe their governing elite is descended from a different species and only interbreeds with itself so their minds just work fundamentally differently and they're concealing this fact from the common people for some reason – it would have to be a very different species, though, reading books by Elves or Gnomes doesn't drive humans mad. 

And then I'd say that even if learning what the elite know makes the Castrovelians miserable, they should still have the perfect right do so, if they like. I'm not exactly happy that I'm incapable of being an Asmodean. I have lived in terror all my life. I'll never be able to speak to my family again. I've had nightmares every night for the past decade about being burned alive. And I'd still rather know the truth, that isn't even a question. I'm more capable of carrying out my goals, I know what my goals even are, and I really think I'm smarter, because I'm not wasting half my mental energy trying to keep the other half under control. "Broken" is a loaded term. If you asked them, maybe they'd say they're fixed."

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"Wish you could meet my boyfriend. Too bad how he doesn't exist yet."

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"You're dating an eleven-year-old cleric of Abadar????"

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"No, he's like a month old, he materialized fully grown or depending how you look at it arrived here because of an afterlife malfunction after dying on Castrovel. I did warn you it was a long story."

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"Maybe when our great-great-and-then-some grandchildren are done fixing Golarion they'll have to go help the poor oppressed Castrovelians. As long as we're being ambitious."

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"So, I realize I can hardly lecture you on ambition, when you started a revolution against the government and I very much did not do that even when I had the opportunity to betray Cheliax cleanly and escape to safety. But. I don't think we need to wait for our grandchildren. If we're doing this at all I think we can get there in our lifetimes. - if my boyfriend materializes on schedule in 11 years. If not it's going to be harder but still, I would not want to die with it unfinished."

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"What does he know?"

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"How to make spellsilver much, much, much cheape, and fertilizer that makes land twice as productive."

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"....That's a weird set of things to know. How is it that his society has better spellsilver production but not much more advanced magic?"

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"No magic at all. Just lots of alchemy, which they use for nonmagical transportation and industry, and they're very, very wealthy."

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"Can they be contacted – I assume you tried, or you wouldn't be waiting eleven years – "

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"Unscryable, can't be reached even with a Gate, and also we think they might be run by a very powerful Evil conspiracy that'd conquer us immediately."

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He thinks – that might be worth it, if they can get Asmodeus too. 

"So, the boyfriend – how much did he teach you? What do you need to get started?"

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- okay, she likes this kid. "You need good measuring equipment for temperature and the ability to do things at very high pressures - so very good airtight containers - for fertilizer. We hadn't made a lot of progress yet because it'd only been a month. For spellsilver, we were making some progress on making acids more cheaply, and you can get higher purities if you use pure calcium rather than bone ash. But it was all preliminary. He was also trying to teach us - the principles of systemic alchemical experimentation that his society used to make progress. That was the part that was somewhat in tension with Asmodeanism.


Do you want to work with me on it?"

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"First we need to finish making a country to do it in. But after that, yes. I want that very much."

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"What's wrong with Absalom? Galt's going to execute us both in the next year or two for wrongthink of one form or another."

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They won't, that's the whole point, they are trying to build something better than that – not a very compelling  argument, is it? 

"It'll be easier to do the work with a government on our side. We're going to need money for ore, and reagents, and protection from assassins. And it won't hurt to have an army that will march to the gates of Egorian – or Greater Teleport to the gates of Egorian, depending on how well we do – either way, we'll have one if we win." 

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"I feel like you're failing to engage with the premise that from my perspective Galt spends most of the next eleven years repeatedly overthrowing its governments and anyone who has tried to hold power at any point almost definitely died of it."

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"And at no point in those eleven years were they recaptured by Cheliax, which means they kept a functional military through all of it. I'm not suggesting we hold political office." 

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"- Andoran breaks off too. I think that's pretty much some of the local nobles realizing they could just not answer to House Thrune and its regional governors, and Felandrial Morgethai exerting herself to let them pull it off. Galt at many points is a dysfunctional mess but not so dysfunctional Cheliax could chew through Andoran or Druma before they got their act together.

- look, I know it's your country. I just don't think I'm powerful enough to make the revolution go well, and it succeeds with or without me."

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"...I really hope you're right. I want my peaceful republic, but if Galt turns into an independent bloodbath that's still a major victory. There are ten million Galtans, and not half a million of them live in Isarn. So it doesn't matter much if we're all killing each other in the capital, does it? Not if it gets us nine and a half million people who won't be forced to damn themselves. If you're from the future, then we win the part of the war that counts, at least in the short term, and I'm not so vain as to think that I'm necessary for us to succeed – 

– no, that's not right. I might be. We've been trying for months and months to engineer some great public explosion like the one I set off two days ago. That's how revolutions work, right – it's obviously in everyone's best interests to overthrow the government, and if all of us decided tomorrow that that's what we were going to do it would work, but it's in nobody's interests to be the first man over the palace wall . So you have to raise a big enough mob and win a flashy early victory just to tell people now's the time, we have a chance, and there are enough of us that they probably won't get around to torturing you to death. I don't know if we'll have a chance like this again. The next week might decide if we have a revolution or not, and there are just so few of us. Maybe they can get by without me. Maybe they can't. Maybe in your history I happen to be at the right place at the right time. I can't leave now." 

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"That's fair. It's not a chance I'm willing to take, personally, but - good luck to you. If you die some fixable way I'll raise you, once I'm rich.

 

Do you know anyone who I can pay in spellsilver up front for a Teleport out."

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"You can't teleport?" He's surprised, he'd pegged her as a high-level wizard.  "...I'm not sure. Everyone I know who might have something like that is tied up in the fighting at the palace. Even if I could get to them, I don't know that they'd sell. You want scrolls more than spellsilver when you're short on time. And, uh, under seige and expecting to need to flee the country at a moment's notice." 

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"I'm fourth circle. Shouldn't even be all that close to fifth, really, though if we don't have a better option I might try fighting in the war and see if it gets me there. The magic items are pricy for fourth circle because I was leading the important secret project. I can Dim Door us, once I've slept, but that doesn't get us to Absalom. Maybe we can ambush an arriving Chelish unit."

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"If it's relevant, the reason I'm hiding in a catacomb and not besieged at the governor's palace with everyone else is because we think they might be looking for me specifically, to make an example of me." 

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"Are you unscryable here?"

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"I'm in a featureless dark room, which is the best we can do right now. If they choose to burn a teleport on me, at least it's a distraction."  

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" - I might need some time to adjust to this being the amount of resources at my disposal. All right. How do you recommend I get out of Isarn."

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It occurs to Élie that he doesn't have to tell her. They desperately need more wizards on their side and if she couldn't leave, then she'd have to – 

– bad train of thought. Her spellsilver refining project is much more valuable in expectation than one fourth circle caster. ....Not to mention his bluff would (and sometimes does) embarrass a typical Chelish six-year-old child.

"They've shut the city down, but they're not watching the sewers. I know there are exits outside the walls. They're still checking the roads out to five miles, so once you're sure you've dodged the patrols you can cut back to the Sellen and head south. You might be able to buy a teleport in  Litran, but it's safer to find someone to smuggle you over the border to Taldor. I can give you some names, though for obvious reason I can't vouch for any of them personally." 

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"Understood. 

 

Have you already slept?"

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"No, but I have a few spell slots left. Didn't have much time to prepare this morning." 

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"If you cover me for two hours I'll cover you for eight. You should stay in a different room, but Message me if anyone Teleports in for you, and come wake me if anyone comes by foot."

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"I can do that. ...I can do that if you tell me your name." 

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"Kind of don't want to fuck over my fifteen-year-old self, if you get caught and they get my name. Let's say I'm Gisela."

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Should he have given a false name? Probably? Whatever, he can never keep straight which names he's given to whom or who's currently going by what. "Alright. Sleep well, Gisela." 

He'll get up and wait in the next room, which is really more of a crawlspace leading into the catacombs proper, and think about how if he was a god he'd go about inventing time travel. 

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She's expecting to have an existential crisis again as soon as she's safe and alone, but she doesn't? Maybe she's burned through all of her mental capacity for existential crises. Right now she's in a war zone and needs her spells back, and that's the kind of situation in which sleep comes readily.

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Nobody else drops in on them in the next two hours. He should have insisted Gisela sleep in the room with a ceiling too low to stand up in. 

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Then she'll wake, and Prestidigitate herself clean, and go swap out with him.

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Then he can sneak out another hidden exit and down a baffling series of tunnels and settle down a few rooms over. She's almost certainly not planning to kill him in the night, but he'll sleep easier that way. 

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She's planning to prepare spells with the aim of escaping a city in wartime. Disguise Self, Mount, Expeditious Retreat, Illusion of Calm, Unseen Servant, Mage Armor, Alter Self, Invisibility, Rope Trick, Raven's Flight, Knock, Fly, Gaseous Form, Fireball, Dimension Door, Greater Invisibility. 

That doesn't take long, obviously, so then she'll work on - repurposing some of her tiny glibness swords? She might want one but she isn't going to need three, and they're made of spellsilver that can be used for something else.  A Ring of Invisibility seems like a good thing to have in this situation. She's not trained in rings, but, well, how hard can it be?

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This gives Élie plenty of time to wake up and prepare his own relatively pathetic set of spells and find "Gisela" and cast a few Detect Magics and mention, at a moment when it seems like it won't break her concentration – 

"You know, we've found limiting the number of uses to three per day more than halves the work time if you're making Rings of Invisibility in a hurry."

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- identifying the item in progress is better Spellcraft that she expected from a first-circle wizard student. She glances up at him. "That'd make it harder to sneak out of the country while invisible the whole time, though. If I only needed three I could cast it."

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"Doesn't trade off against other spell slots, and it's silent – and, actually, we've being doing threes because that's usually easy but invisibility lasts, what, three minutes worst-case, that's something like 500 castings in a day, which a ring can cover, so even a tenfold reduction probably gets most of the benefit and it's still more than you can cast in a day – I wonder what the relationship between uses and crafting time is, if it drops off smoothly or if there's just a big drop after 'arbitrarily many', that seems more likely – 

– sorry. We don't have a lot of time to experiment, what with the overthrowing the government. I get distracted." 

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"I'm only trained in arms and armor but there the limiting factor is - well, the competence of the enchanter, that limits everything - and the spellsilver, you need to have more of it and fold it better if you want continuous casting. Probably once you're up to, I don't know, ten a day, you are at the same cost and intricacy, and then you might as well just make it continuous."

Despite being only trained in arms and armor she's definitely making a ring. "And enchanting's more interesting than overthrowing the government, don't apologize."

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"I'm only trained in wondrous items, but I could try to help – if it was a good use of our time. Which it probably isn't, unless you think you can get it done in the next few hours." 

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"Nope, it's going to take me a couple of days. I might stay in the sewers for a couple of days until I have it, though. It'll make escape a lot easier."

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"I guess I'm supposed to be hiding here anyway."  

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"Great. Have you done rings before? I haven't, and it seems like the main challenge is just that you need the framework to be stable when it's touching at both ends..."

 

 

This is so much easier than thinking about Asmodeanism or about Keltham or about Hell!

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"Not myself, but I've seen other people do it. It can't be too hard, lots of spell structures want to be round anyway." 

This is also much easier than thinking about how all his friends are probably dying and he should be out there with them! 

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Then they won't have to confront their emotional issues until they've done all the enchanting the metal can hold for today!

 

 

 

"I don't suppose you have a mirror. I want to try a scry."

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Scrying mirrors cost 1,000 gold pieces and are typically several feet across. "If I find one you'll be the first person to know." 

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"If there's one in the palace I'd be willing to deliver you to your friends before I leave."

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"I'm sure there is, and I'm equally sure that without teleportation you can't get me in and certainly won't want to try to get out." 

 

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"Dim Door. I'm assuming the palace itself is Forbiddanced but if you know a place that's safe to teleport into, and can vouch for me to your friends once we're in, we just have to get within 800 feet and I can do it."

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"They thought of that, it was the first thing they thought of, the palace is in a park and they've set up a 1000-foot perimeter – or they did yesterday, my intelligence might be out of date. They had to pull guards from the treasury and the courts and I think I saw some of my former classmates and a whole lot of grunts with pikes, but there are hundreds of them and they kill on sight."  

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"In the air as well?"

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"I don't know what their air defenses look like. It was pretty – chaotic, when I left." 

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"Probably not worth it, then. ...I give good odds I could bluff my way in but I don't think that's worth it either, it does fail in a very ugly fashion if it fails."

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It's stupid for him to feel disappointed. He was the one who said it was a bad idea, which it would be, because he sincerely does not want to die. 

"Who do you need to scry so badly?"

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"Uh. Person who I condemned to eternal torture for betraying us for, in hindsight, the side that was just objectively correct."

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"Lots of those. We'll get them all one day."

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"I mean if it's really 4699 then she's a small child. I just wanted to check."

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"What for? She's going to Hell anyway, just like everyone else you've ever met. You made it to fourth circle before defecting, so she can't be the only person you've personally reported." 

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" - right but no one else is going to get eternally tortured!"

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"....what exactly do you think happens in Hell?"

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"Asmodeus's slaves are reshaped and reformed to become perfected as devils. Except Peranza because she betrayed the project specifically."

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Élie keeps forgetting that Asmodeans don't think the way ordinary people do. Ideas that should percolate through their understanding of the world – like, the Church lies – hit invisible walls and get stuck instead. 

"Maybe some of them do? I've always assumed eternal torture is the more usual outcome." 

He'd rather be eternally tortured than have his soul twisted into a devil, of course, but that's not the kind of argument Asmodeans find compelling. It makes him sound weak, and, worse, ignorant of his own weakness. He'd crack in a year or fifty. Probably everyone does. Whatever. Until he's damned, he can believe what he likes. 

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"I don't think so! Or, I wouldn't hazard a very strong guess about ratios, but getting eternally tortured is a bad outcome from Asmodeus's perspective. Hell was willing to expend a lot of resources on the project in significant part because it could improve devil training. And eventually he'll figure out a use for almost everyone, if he wins, and if he loses then I guess they all go to the winner."

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"I ...genuinely don't understand why you think eternal torture is bad from Asmodeus's perspective? He likes torture. He clearly likes torture more than he likes effective training, because torture is a terrible way to train people and we're commanded to do it anyway and at least led to believe that's how it works in Hell. I don't see why he'd care if he finds a use for us or not. We're less than worms to him, aren't we? I don't bother to find uses for worms." 

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"I would, if I had a lot of worms! And Asmodeus isn't Zon-Kuthon, he might value torture in itself or only instrumentally but the core of what He is is tyranny, slavery, pride, an afterlife that's mostly torture doesn't satisfy that. I do think Cheliax has more torture than is optimal for training people because it's heretical to torture less on purpose and not to torture more on purpose, and that's bad, and when I take over I'll change that, but I don't think most people in Hell are eternally tortured because Cheliax is excessively enthusiastic about punishment."

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"The optimal amount of torture for training people is none, because torture just makes people weak and brainless, that's what it's for. You don't torture someone to make them capable, you do it because when they're terrorized they don't think of fighting back. And I guess because it makes tyranny more perfect and slavery more complete, or because not wanting to torture people is almost like respecting them as thinking beings, I don't pretend to understand how the system works. The one thing I'm reasonably sure of is that Hell's a hierarchy, and most of the people in it aren't at the top, and that means they get tortured. ...If your friend was the sort of person who'd risk her soul to betray you, she probably wasn't devil material anyway. If that's any comfort." 

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"I have been tortured in a way that was specifically and carefully calculated to make me stronger, and it worked, so I know it's possible."

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"Is this related to your pathological thing with the princess? Whatever she did to you, I'm sure there's a better way to accomplish it and it only looked impressive because it's in fact extremely difficult to make anyone stronger by torturing them!" 

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"Nah, I think it was just objectively pretty impressive. And I don't know how you'd achieve it, otherwise. I tried achieving the same thing in my students and none of them picked it up at all, it was like talking to a brick wall.

 

I levelled from it."

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"You can also do that by killing royalists. What did she give you, that you haven't been able to reproduce?" 

If it's really true that torture can do something for people that can't be replicated by other means, then – of course he desires to believe it. The truth is always worth knowing. If being tortured could help him level, he'd do it in a heartbeat.

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On some level it's ridiculous to say anything at all to this stranger. On another - 

- it's not like she was doing so great, figuring it out by herself. 

 

"She arranged, with actors and a little bit of mind control, for me to believe I'd fucked up the project and Keltham had walked out on us and now I was going to be turned into a statue. I don't - I'd much rather go to Hell even if it is eternal torture, I can't just stop. So I tried to kill myself. Woke up in her laboratory, neatly bound but there was - spellsilver, about six feet away on a shelf. I thought, well, if I can use that spellsilver to change my armillary amulet into an arrow of human-slaying -"

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If she's still listening, Élie is thinking a lot of things. Like "that's objectively really impressive" and "I don't see how the torture enters into it" and "what kind of idiot exists in Cheliax without a means of committing suicide, I haven't done that since I was nine." 

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Her Detect Thoughts has tragically run out. "She let me waste several thousand gold in spellsilver on trying, before she stopped me. I said - I don't remember exactly, but something that'd obviously get the Queen of Cheliax to light you on fire, and she did, but it wasn't - defensive, she wasn't scared of what I was telling her, she wanted more of it. She kept demanding I feel things, instead of being too afraid to feel them - think things, instead of being too afraid to think them - 

- I wasn't stupid enough to think begging for my life would possibly have any effect. But - I thought I was stronger than she thought I was, and if I was wrong that was worth knowing too - so I said to her, your majesty, do you think that you could hurt me until I wanted you to stop. I was hoping - she'd take the challenge - and then I could go on existing, for as long as I could endure it - when I say I'd want to go to Hell even if it is just eternal torture that's how I know, she hurt me and hurt me and when she stopped I was terrified that now it was over, because it was something -

- I told her things. Every feeling I could think of, because she wanted it, because I could buy time with it. I stopped being - you know - afraid of being pathetic above everything else, and I said that I was scared, and I said that I was lonely, and I said that I loved Keltham, and had wanted so many things, and she petted me and tortured me and then eventually turned me to stone, slowly, while I tried very hard to stop her.

And then I woke up in her bed and she petted my hair while I cried and told me how impressive I was, and how well I'd done, and how pleased she was, and told me not to pull myself together too quickly lest I ruin her hard work, and promised me that that would never happen to me by her orders, never, no matter how I betrayed her, because the terror of it was making me weaker. 

 

I do not expect you to agree that this was good behavior but I think it was - something I couldn't have gotten anywhere else."

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"...I think that's very sad. I also remember the first time I told my best friend how I felt – that I had feelings at all, really – that I was so terrified of dying I could barely think, and how much I hated myself for being too weak to do anything about it. I'd done some fairly terrible things to him. And he forgave me, and told me that he loved me, and he didn't torture me at all.

I think human beings need very, very badly to be loved. We're very big on friendship in this revolution because it's good for group loyalty but we're also all just desperate for it. I think denying it is one of the worst harms Cheliax does to us. I'm not especially afraid of being pathetic, I accepted that about myself a long time ago, but it helped me so much to be able to be weak in front of someone who wanted me to be stronger, and everyone should have that, and it shouldn't have to come with pain. I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for her. If I ever have children I'm going to tell them I'm proud of them and want to keep them safe and maybe they'll have less stupid problems than we do."  

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" - I feel like you're imagining that I wish that had happened without the torture, but I - don't? I think it would've been less effective. Keltham loves me - loved me - it's not about human connection, it's about having someone hurt you but not pointlessly, try to get you to a specific state so they can show you something -"

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"Did Keltham know what you were? Would he have loved you if he had?"

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"Of course not."

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"Then you didn't have a human connection, you had a lie. Maybe the torture was a material component of whatever happened to you, but I'd be willing to bet that's because the torture is the only thing we grow up with that's reliable and real. I always found being punished in school very – hmm, not comforting, but grounding, since it's the one time you don't have to pretend you're anything other than in pain. That doesn't mean torture is good, it's just fixing a problem I'd never have had in the first place if I wasn't raised by Asmodeans! That's all it is. The Gisela who wasn't already broken wouldn't need the princess to torture her about it." 

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"No one isn't broken! You can enslave people to different things, or you can let them run around in meaningless anarchy, but even dath ilan isn't - not shaping people. If anything it's just much better at doing it effectively."

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"Dath Ilan – that's Castrovel, then? How do they torture children?"

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"I don't think they torture them. They just test them, to see how much they turned out like they want their civilization to be in the future, and they teach them a lot of Law, so they'll cooperate with each other and not try to learn things they're not supposed to learn."

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"But of course you think that Hell is better at shaping souls than dath ilan, because you think torture is necessary – " 

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"No, dath ilan is probably much better at it. Though I do rather doubt that the ideal way to shape souls involves never hurting them."

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"I think we were arguing about Hell and how much torture goes on there and – do you think Asmodeus knows whether it's easier to make nice obedient slaves without torturing them? If it's true, he must. So why doesn't he stop?"

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"You know, Aspexia Rugatonn asked me that same question once. I think Asmodeus doesn't know all that much about humans, actually, and is very restricted in how much of His will he can communicate even down to the lower levels of Hell, and also approves of some of the effects of torture and may even directly value torture itself. But it'd still be absurdly useful to him to figure out how to make nice obedient slaves without torturing them!"

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"I'm not saying it wouldn't be, I – I'm not even sure where we disagree. You want him defeated. I want him defeated. Even if there's no torture involved, I don't think people should be slaves." 

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"I mean, most of them probably shouldn't.

I - think I probably shouldn't, if I get to pick."

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"May I ask you a personal question?"

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"Were the previous ones not?"

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"Oh, no, they were philosophical. The personal question is – how did you come to believe what you believe? I don't understand it at all. I've never met anyone who says they're an enemy of Asmodeus and talks about becoming a devil as being perfected and values being tortured and thinks some people should be slaves. Maybe we're just very provincial, here in Galt. But to me you're a very unusual heretic." 

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"A teaching of the project I was fond of is that when you are supposed to believe something, it is hard to notice if it's actually, in addition to being something you are supposed to believe, true. I - decided that probably mortals can do better, can build a better Civilization, than Asmodean Cheliax can. But - not because it was all a lie. There were lies, but - less lies than I might've thought? Abrogail and Aspexia are smart, they're doing something real, it's not lies and games all the way through. The problem Asmodeus is trying to solve with humans is real and hard. 

 

Also I met some people who really sincerely want to be slaves. Well. One person. And it's probably not literally just her."

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"I thought the problem Asmodeus was trying to solve with humans is that we have free will."

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"It's that he can't tell us what to do and have us do it. Free will is a way of describing that problem, I guess, maybe, sort of, but I think it's actually better to think about it without trying to look inside yourself for will or freedom or whatever. He can't tell us what to do and have us do it, even though of us who are trying to serve him. That's his problem."

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"I don't see why that makes it our problem. I don't want to be told what to do, or for other people to be obligated to do what I tell them. In a properly ordered society, we'd all just know enough to do what we think is right." 

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"Have you met an average person?"

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"...I assume wizard students don't count? My parents might have been. It's hard to say, I haven't spoken to them in years." 

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"I doubt they are, it's in the blood. Normal people are very stupid. Left to their own devices they make terrible choices."

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"So do clever people, in my experience." 

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"Then that's an even stronger argument. You shouldn't let people make their own decisions because they make awful ones."

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"There are worse things. I think we'd do better on the whole if we made our own bad decisions instead of other people making them for us."

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"Depends who was making them for us, I expect. I just think we can do better than Asmodeus."

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"No argument there. But – if making people who can reliably obey orders is a hard problem, and so is making people who can make good choices for themselves, I know which one I'd rather solve." 

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"You know I'd kind of be tempted by that perspective except the Chaotic afterlives all kinda suck. - which both means I personally don't want to go there, and I don't want to build a society that sends everyone there, and also on some level it makes me question the whole concept."

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"Do they? Elysium and the Maelstrom both sound alright to me, I think I'd be at least as happy with either as I would with Axis. Anyway, I'm not philosophically wedded to being Chaotic. It's not a government's place to determine what afterlife its citizens go to, just to provide an environment where they can become the sort of people who'll end up where they like." 

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- she sort of blinks at him, tiredly. "I don't think it's going to work out like you want."

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"Maybe. I'll settle for 'not one of the evil ones' and we can work out the specifics later." 

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"Not just the afterlives, the whole project."

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"Well, we'll have to try it and see." 

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"Or, you could not die horribly, and come with me to Absalom, and try to actually fix the world."

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"There's any number of clever wizards in Absalom. I'm not needed there. I am – I'm very likely needed here." 

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"Feels wrong to say I hope that works out about something that won't work out. I do hope you don't get caught, that sounds like it'd make my life considerably more complicated."

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"I wish you knew more about what actually happens, how our Republic goes wrong. If you could tell me something specific that's supposed to happen in a year or two or five, that would make it a lot easier for me to believe that you're really from the future.

....If we do drive out Cheliax, and it all turns out to be an absolute hopeless tangle afterwards – and I survive, that's the real open question – do you think you could still find something for me to do?"

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" - oh, easily. If the Project hadn't collapsed it'd have had need of hundreds of people who're smart and creative enough."

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"Then maybe we will end up working together. Though for obvious reasons, I, uh, sincerely hope not." 

Is he smart and creative enough? On the one hand, most people are idiots. On the other, plenty of them can hang second-circle spells, and he can't. 

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"Well, try not to die, and if you do die, try not to go to Hell."

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"Oh, I'll do my best." Not like it's the only thing he's ever cared about practically since he was old enough to have coherent desires. 

How long will it take her to finish the ring? 

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She has it done by the end of the day. 

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Well. That's that, then. 

"I can show you how to get above ground outside of the city."  

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" - thank you." It's not a Chelish thing to say. But, well, she's not going back. She can't.

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"One of the privileges of not being Asmodean. Sometimes we can afford to be kind to each other." 

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"I keep wanting to get people out. Even ones who wouldn't appreciate it. Is that a symptom too?"

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"Only in very advanced cases. Do you have family you're close to?"

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"Not close, and they're fine. I want my subordinates, from the Project. I - there were people who trusted me."

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They're not fine, they're in Cheliax, but even Élie knows better than to bring that up. 

"I understand that. You know, it's ridiculous, but I keep wanting to rescue my teachers. A couple of them were wonderful, as long as they just kept talking about magic, really bright and competent and curious, and then in every other area of their lives they'd just – completely shut themselves off.  I don't know if there's anything to be done for people like that, but when you realize what's going on, it hurts to watch them deliberately making themselves worse." 

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"My commander at the Worldwound was a priest of Asmodeus. It would be ridiculously insane to involve him in this, but also he'd be really good at it and I miss him."

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"What was he like?"

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"Good at his job of not letting the world be consumed by demons. Smart. - not sexist, not to be whiny about it but most people are at least a little bit sexist. I mean, he did give us all to Keltham as slaves but that made it if anything more notable, that he wasn't sexist. He - wanted me to succeed."

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"I hope he's – I hope we win." 

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" - yeah, I guess that's it, isn't it. If you want Asmodeans to listen to you you have to beat them. At least they'll listen then."

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"We should count ourselves lucky there's the one crack where reality can get through – watch out, we need to duck for this next bit." 

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She ducks. "I liked the Worldwound. It felt like it was - mostly reality. And then the Project was - lots of reality but we were all hiding from it as far as possible." 

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"What was the project, exactly? Beyond learning alchemy from your alien boyfriend." 

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"Well, see, he wouldn't work with us if he knew about how Cheliax is. So we needed - a Cheliax that he would work with. A very Lawful Neutral one. The Project was - building Cheliax around him, and learning from him, about alchemy but also about how to lie to people who aren't just going to pretend they believe you since that's what you told them to do."

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"And how long did that – wait, I want to guess first. Two weeks?"

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"We weren't that bad at it! wasn't that bad at it. We'd petrify him when we needed extra prep time, and the godwar was a good excuse for him to never leave the fortress. We made it three months."

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"The godwar."

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"Zon-Kuthon picked a fight. ....I think. Keltham ended up concluding that we'd faked it to trick him, and we didn't fake it but I don't know for sure that we didn't start it."

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"Maybe in the future we'll get lucky and Cheliax and Nidal will destroy each other. ....What would a Lawful Neutral Cheliax look like? Were you pretending the civil war never happened?" 

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"I don't want Cheliax destroyed! I want to take it over and run it better! - I was going to get to be duchess of Nidal, if I pulled the project off.

We were pretending that the civil war had been more recent, less ugly, Abrogail had taken power in it and was making lots of improvements....we told him, uh, that Evil was about the pursuit of your own interests, and Good about the sacrifice of your own interests for other people, and he was all right with that so long as he didn't encounter any interest-pursuit that struck him as horrible. Which most of it did."

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"Does his home planet not have the concept of Evil?"

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"If they have gods they're keeping that fact itself secret from the populace. They have, like, the concept that sometimes people hurt each other, but - only barely? He found it unbelievable that people wouldn't just overthrow the government any time they took issue with it."

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"I have to admit, I struggle with that one sometimes too." 

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"Aaaand that is why the Galtans are doomed to spend the next ten years repeatedly slaughtering everyone in power and putting in new ones."

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"I hope future Galtan governments will have the advantage that living under them is better for one's long-term well-being than dying to oppose them." 

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"No, see, Keltham thought you should overthrow the government if anyone in it did any bad things, ever."

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"....and to his knowledge, it never did?"

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"Yes! He was pretty sure that they wouldn't have kept it secret. They did keep a lot of things secret but he was pretty sure that it didn't include that. They had government-overthrowing rehearsals annually but had never actually done it."

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"And this is the same government with the overlord caste whose minds are unknowable to their subjects?"

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"Uh huh. I think they made our lives easier in some important ways."

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"A government-overthrowing rehearsal is a sweet idea, really. Although one would really like to do it for real at least once a generation just to make sure the whole system's in good working order – I've only been rebelling for three days, and it's already nothing like planning for it. ...You can stand up again. We're almost out." 

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"Nothing's ever like planning for it. I think there's no way to train people for a war if you haven't got resurrections and aren't willing to kill them permanently, which dath ilan isn't."

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" – how do we know they don't have resurrections? Maybe the ruling class are necromancers of some sort and they would have afterlives ordinarily but they're using all the souls for their own nefarious purposes, it would explain a lot."  

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"It's got to be something like that but I don't know what and I don't see what kind of necromancer benefits from freezing all the dead."

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"They freeze – why would anyone – never mind. Maybe one day we'll have a chance to find out and otherwise I can't imagine we'd guess. ...You know, if it turns out that you're real and your boyfriend is real and his home planet is real and he was telling the truth about it, this would be fairly disheartening. I've always assumed that once enough people get to the point of wanting to believe true things, it would be almost impossible to do – whatever it is that's being done to them. And we hardly know how to get that far."  

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"Ilanism seemed pretty effective at deconverting people when they could safely think, at least. I don't know. I vaguely suspect you have to kill Asmodeus if you want people not to be Asmodeans."

 

They're out of the tunnel, now, in a field. She slips her ring on. " - stay safe."

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"Win." 

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" - yeah, all right. I'll try."

 

 

And she goes invisible, and slips off into the fields of Galt.