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There is a universe big enough for half a dozen towns to dot the countryside and still not be crowded, but small enough to walk from one end to the other in one very tiring day. In this little universe, somewhere near the middle, there is a farming village. It is not a high-tech farming village. The earthen ovens stand apart from the houses and need to be warmed with fires before they can bake anything; the houses, when they need light, are lit by oil lamps. And yet, it... doesn't look like a village at its tech level. One of the houses seems carved from a single piece of stone, engraved with a repeating pattern that would be hell to do by hand and looks precise enough to have been done by machine, albeit slightly eroded since then. The others are wooden, and newer, and one of them has a porch decorated with diamonds and rubies. The water tower nearby is colored almost like an easter egg.

On this particular day, one woman is picking blue wool from the bush it grows on. Two others, one of them blind, discuss study design in sign language; the blind one has her hands on the other's.

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Tarinda falls to the ground, and gets up, bewildered and bloody.

Did she land on... a theme village for an obscure fandom...?

...when she turns on Page, Page says no.

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Everyone startles. The blind woman gets a short description of what just happened and then sets off to see if Tarinda needs healing. She signs with one hand in a language Page doesn't know, while she's trying to find Tarinda.

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Tarinda's on her feet in a moment. "Hello?" she says. "Uh, where am I - what languages do you guys speak -"

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Definitely none that are spoken like that. That just gets her stared at in awe, for about a second before two of them start having a frantic signed conversation about whether she's from another universe.

Donna misses that this has happened but finds Tarinda. Poke?

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- oh, she can't see. Tarinda will... gently shake her hand??

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The response this gets her is - again in that unfamiliar language. ("I have some extra power and I thought you might be having a medical emergency.") But with much less urgency now that it seems clear Tarinda's up, capable of moving her hands, and generally not acting like her biggest concern about this situation is her injuries.

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Huh. Tarinda makes sure she's looking at the signs so Page can learn them but she certainly doesn't know them now.

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Not a medical emergency but a weird person. Weird people are much more interesting than medical emergencies but somewhat less Donna's comparative advantage. She steps aside and signs to the others.

The person she was talking with about study design breaks off arguing about Tarinda, and instead looks right at Tarinda, points to herself, and names herself.

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Tarinda points to herself and says "Tarinda", and then accepts a suggestion from Page about what to call herself in sign (it's a BSL sign meaning "blade" but presumably means nothing or something else, here).

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That - isn't the local word, no sense trying to parse it - but it's interesting that this person speaks in voice noises and in signs. Maybe she's descended from a different group of refugees, who preserved the original language but still needed to switch over to signing for some reason?

She tries pointing to a couple more things - that over there is wool, and that is a woolbush, and that up there is the sky - to see how Tarinda reacts.

(Donna meanwhile walks back over.)

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The woolbush is interesting - Tarinda goes to get a closer look at it - and what does the sky look like?

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The sky... looks like Earth's sky, at a glance, almost. It looks almost like a realistic oil painting of Earth's sky, both in that some of the finest details aren't there and in that things are arranged in ways that are statistically mildly unusual and make it look cooler. If she looked up before walking over to the woolbush and then again after she might be able to catch the parallax. Failing that, she might eventually notice that distant objects have shadows at slightly different angles, not quite as pronouncedly as objects in a room with a lamp but still not right for a sun.

The woolbush is a bush, with normal green leaves, whose branches happen to grow wool. Blue wool, in this case.

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Okay the sky is weird.

She will try signing back, though this is harder for her than reading off a phonetic transliteration of a spoken language would be. Sky, wool, woolbush.

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Yep, she's foreign. Nan updates Donna on this really quick and then tries some more words - that over there is a house, and so is that, and so is that; that is a wooden house and that is a stone house...

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Tarinda goes on possessing the linguistic traits of having a dictionary hooked into her eyeballs and also no experience with sign languages.

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Nan can keep her busy with vocabulary for a while, then, while the other two coordinate what to do.

Donna leaves to go find someone who knows as much as anyone knows about pre-apocalyptic language; Violet steps inside, and comes out with chocolates to offer their mysterious guest.

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Aww how nice. If that's what they're doing Tarinda will share her peanut candy.

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Ooh, peanut candy. ...Nan doesn't have a word for that. Well, candy, which the chocolates are too, but nothing more specific.

The chocolate has a hint of pepper and cinnamon in it, and although it's quite sweet it wasn't made with milk.

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It's interesting! Does she have "thank you" yet.

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Yeah, Nan said it reflexively when presented with candy.

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Then Tarinda will sign it back.

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Nan smiles more warmly than before.

She has picked up on the fact that Tarinda doesn't seem to be struggling with memory, only pronunciation, and doesn't really know what to make of it but moves on to demonstrating more complicated constructions - "Your candy is sweet. Violet's chocolates are sweet. Violet's chocolates are a type of candy. Your candy is a type of candy. Violet gave you chocolate before you gave us your candy. You landed here before Violet gave you chocolate."

She's kind of wondering if there's a point at which Tarinda will start struggling or if she should just be trying to pack in the maximum information possible per second. She tries talking a bit faster to see what happens.

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Going faster doesn't impair Tarinda's memory at all. She stares intently at Nan's hands and repeats things back sometimes but doesn't have the grammar to ask questions yet.

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Nan starts posing questions and answering them herself once she's named everything she can easily point to and several things she can't.

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That's very helpful! Soon Tarinda can ask what the sky is a type of.

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"The sky is a type of roof. The sky is the biggest roof."

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"Are there more sky?"

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"...Yes but not here - you can go north or south or up or down and then you have one sky. You have to go a different direction by magic to find other skies. Like, uh, you just did, I think."

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"Magic?"

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"...How did you get here?"

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"In a different sky a happen did."

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"I think the thing that happened in your different sky was magic. Because now you're here, and you can't come here or leave here without magic. Magic is - power that hurts to use and does things you couldn't do with hands and tools."

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"Hurts to use?"

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"You and I eat candy - and fish and other things. The magic eats pain. Pain is..." Nan pinches herself.

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"...my sky not has that."

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"That makes sense! Lots of skies don't. But you got here somehow and you did not get here by traveling up or down or left or right or forward or back."

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"Do you do - saying on things -" She mimes writing, on her hand.

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"...Drawing? Drawing is like - when you make a house have a color - or you could make it look like the sky or a forest - but I don't know if that's what you're trying to say?"

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"Drawing a saying, not drawing a color."

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"Like drawing a piece of writing?" The word for writing derives very distantly from miming the act of tying a knot. "Uh, writing is - I'm sure Violet's got an example of it, I left all of mine over at Cal's - writing is when you say things with strings instead of with your hands. And then someone else can find the strings and see what you said even though you're not still saying it."

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"Strings! I can see strings more fast than hands."

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"I'll be right back."

She steps inside the house to pester Violet about books and returns with an armload of them, on topics from pond maintenance to civics. The orthography uses various kinds of knots and - isn't a representation of the local sign language, although the mutual influence is obvious and extensive. A lot of the information Page could've used to conjecture about the origin of the writing system is lost by now, but what's left - prepositions rather than postpositions, for instance - is vaguely suggestive of a Germanic language.

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Tarinda looks at all of the knots without really trying to parse them, moving as fast as Page can.

"Thank you," she signs afterward.

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" - Okay, you're not learning like anyone I have ever met has ever learned anything."

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"I have... tools," she replies.

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"I want your tools. - I mean, I'm not going to steal them, but if you're selling."

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"I have one now," she holds up a finger for one since she doesn't have the number yet, "and tools make tools make tools make tools make my tools."

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"I want - you need words, though, so - " and if not stopped Nan will explain and occasionally mime various carpentry tools, optical microscopes, and so on.

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Tarinda will watch the signs very patiently, nodding along to an inaudible beat.

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"So," Nan says eventually, "what kinds of tools make your tools?"

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"You need more tools for getting things from the ground, and tools that are very very very small," she says, "to make very small tools that can - do numbers things - and then I can make the best tool, the one that made mine, and it can make more for everyone."

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"Getting things from the ground? Like farming - uh, making plants?"

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"No, like rocks things."

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"Oh, uh - which rock things - but you don't know, so. Do any of them happen to be elements or have simple chemical formulas you've memorized?"

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"Yes!" And they can work out how to discuss the periodic table and talk about silicon and rare earth elements and all the other things she would need to, ultimately, build a computer.

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"Okay! That is definitely information a mage could use to make those minerals for you. - A mage is someone who uses magic. Like Donna, who you met earlier - she's probably off talking to the college or the government about you right now, by the way. Uh, the college is where people learn complicated things and the government helps everyone stay organized and not start fights. Anyway, the point is, we can get you your minerals."

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"...if you use magic to make minerals, can you use magic to make computers?"

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"So, I think you can tell a mage the element numbers for your minerals, and a mage will know what that means. If you tell a mage 'I want a tool made out of silicon that makes me learn faster' the mage is going to say 'well, I don't know anything about any tools like that' and have you describe - you know, I don't know, I've paid for magic before but not for anything quite that unprecedented."

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"If I draw it?"

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"Probably! Has to be a raised drawing, obviously - that is not obvious to you, is it - you can't look at magic. I mean. You can look at magic and then you'll die horribly."

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"- how?"

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"Bearing in mind I never interact with magic and I'm getting this secondhand, you know how some sensations are so bad you can't quite think straight and sometimes you think 'oh I want to kill whoever is playing drums half an hour before dawn' but sometimes you just get really crabby and bad at things? Magic is like that, but worse, and if you see it or hear it you will stop being you and start trying to hurt people and then someone will kill what's left of you."

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"So they have to have their eyes closed?"

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"Seeing it through your eyelids is still sort of seeing it, they have them removed. In theory it should work fine to just do that while they're exposed but the actual cost of healing is too high to do it that way and they'd spend all their power on that and not on making the world exist."

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"- even if eyelids aren't enough couldn't they wear blindfolds -"

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"I don't actually know why the answer is no - Donna would, though, and if she somehow doesn't she'd know who would. Also, if you're worried about it, no one's going to inflict magic on you, and if you want to help mages I think Donna can put you in touch with a guy who's doing something about that, I'm vague on the specifics. But, so you know, the big thing we need mages for is without them the world shrinks and we need a place to live. We're perfectly capable of sending people to other worlds, it's just, all the ones we've tried have been empty vacuum. So one of the things people are going to ask you, once the folks from up north get here, is if we can move to your world and stop this."

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"Yes. You can once I build the best tool, it will fix it."

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" - What exactly does the best tool do?"

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"It is smart, the most smart, and it makes everything good."

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"Oh. It's smart. Um. When we've resurrected people, we've had problems with the magic writing directly to their brains and that being - perceptible, I guess - they have to be brought back unconscious and not in the middle of a dream and if they wake up too fast or some random thing goes wrong sometimes they come back magic-touched and you have to try again. So I think you don't want that conjured even if you understand it well enough to explain how."

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"The computer could be not smart, and then I could smarten it. Much faster than I could build it."

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Nan doesn't manage to answer; the sight of other people heading into town catches her eye. "Oh, I think those folks are going to want to talk to you."

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"Okay."

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It's true, they do.

There are three of them who actually have business here. One is carrying a lot of untied string for notetaking; another is carrying a copy of an old illustration and a book of history.

The third is a young-looking person in an embroidered silk skirt. She's the one whose fault it is that there's a small crowd of onlookers gathering. And she's the one who addresses Nan and Tarinda first. "Hello there! I'm Carey and I speak for the government of Sathend; I'm here to meet someone suspected of being from another world?"

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"That's me!" Tarinda signs.

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"It's good to meet you. Was there evidence that you or your friend wish to present regarding your claim? Just since I wasn't here and didn't see you arrive."

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"I think probably some people did see me arrive. Also I have tools that help me do things you can't do without them, like remembering things and getting un-hurt."

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"Those sound like very useful tools," says Carey. "I certainly won't ask to test your healing but there have been a couple of people born here with perfect memories. Well, if there's nothing faster, it'd probably only take a few days to introduce you to everyone and see if they recognize you."

"I did see her arrive," Nan says, "and she offered me food I've never had before but I dunno if she has any more."

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Tarinda has a few more; she pulls one out. "I can show the healing if you want."

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She takes a peanut candy. "This will suffice, I think - huh, what a flavor. So, what brings you to Sathend?"

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"I don't know. It happened and I didn't think it would happen."

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"You are welcome in Sathend as long as your intent is peaceful. I think, for us, the best case scenario would be to open peaceful diplomatic relations and - I think a number of people would like to live somewhere else, if that's an option."

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"Everybody can go live in my sky if they want and can go there!"

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"That would be a tremendous relief! I think one concern we have about other worlds is the possibility that they will slowly stop having things in them, because all of the stars will burn out; is that a concern that you have?"

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"...in tens of tens of tens of tens of tens of tens of tens of tens of tens of years! Maybe!"

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"That sounds like an amount of time after which humanity might not be around to care what happens next."

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"We'll be there! But it's a long time to think of a way to make stars."

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"It's not a complicated problem for us, just a question of manpower we don't have. We could make a star now, if we had someplace to put it and nothing else needing magic for the next - I have no idea how long, unfortunately - but we don't have anywhere to put it other than your world, which doesn't need it yet, and we need quite a lot of magic as long as we want this world to continue to exist."

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"Our stars might be different in my sky."

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"I meant real stars - the kind that are very big and on fire - but you're not wrong that we have fake stars here."

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"Oh. We have real stars and they last a long time and we can probably make new ones no magic."

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"I would love to see a real star. Well, would you say a good first priority here would be figuring out if we can aim for your world and send you back with a diplomatic party?"

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"Yes! Or bring something from my world here. Or make a computer. Whichever of the things is fastest."

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"Can you tell me more about that third one?"

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"My tool that helps me remember is a computer!" (Page is feeding her sign language from home as necessary, whatever seems unlikely to be parking on existing cheremes.) "It is a machine that can learn and do numbers things and I can put learning on it from my computer to make it better."

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"And making more of these is... an alternative to you going home?"

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"It will help me get home. So, whatever is fastest."

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"Can you explain how it would do that?"

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"It's very smart."

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"...Uh-huh. Well, I don't think anyone here knows how to make that. I'd offer to let the mages know about you but you've already met the one who organizes scouting parties so I don't think there's anything else I need to do on that front. Hm, what else - have you already been shown a map and told which parts of which plants you can eat?"

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"No."

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"Well, the woods start just over that way, so if you want to take a walk I can point out what is and isn't safe."

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"Sure. Is that where people here get most food?"

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In that case they can start walking. "It's a major source of food, you'll notice the parts closer to civilization are pretty picked over, but there are farms for finickier crops that want more human attention. You can see right around here," she gestures at the nearby fields, "some of the older attempts at vegetables need help with pollination, and squidbushes only rarely manage to grow without humans babying them a bit. Besides those kinds of things and forest plants, there are fish that are edible if cooked right, and people sometimes steal eggs - the birds can lay extras, but only up to a point, so be very conservative about that - and, hm, besides that there's occasionally magic to spare for conjured food but conjured anything is always tremendously expensive."

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"Older attempts?"

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"Uh, so, you know how the world was destroyed about five centuries ago, scattering the remnants of humanity to a variety of new worlds that didn't necessarily have anything in them already?"

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"No."

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"...Oh. Um. Do you not know that because you have more than that much history or because you have less than that much history?"

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"More. I think that didn't happen in my sky."

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"...Well, see, that's weird because it means humanity was scattered before that. And I think if our ancestors had had the option to move in with you, they would have taken it."

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"Well, that long ago we did not have the smart tool but we did have lots of real stars."

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"I think our historians will want to try to get to the bottom of that with you, although I don't know how much success to expect."

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"The smart tool in my head knows a lot of things. More words will help."

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"What general topic do you need more words about?"

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"About, uh, how things happen without magic doing them."

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"Things happen without magic because of physics - things fall when dropped, things move when pushed - or, hm, because of chemistry and chemical reactions, I suppose. Chemistry is the one where substances become other substances."

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"Yes, words about those and about numbers and about - how to have thoughts about numbers."

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"Well, you can add numbers - one plus one is two, two plus three is five - you can subtract them - three minus two is one - or multiply them - two times one is two - or divide them - four divided by two is two." The numbers through five are too transparently obvious to bother confirming that Tarinda knows them. "Past five the numbers go six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve... two times ten is twenty, three times ten is thirty, ten times ten is a hundred, ten times a hundred is a thousand. Then there's algebra, which involves doing things to numbers without knowing which numbers they are, and statistics, which involves using numbers to predict real things."

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"Do you have - algebra about words - because of this then definitely that -"

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"Yes! That's a syllogism. Those are taught in logic class along with induction, which is 'if this probably that', and the scientific method, which is how to tell if your ideas are true."

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Unfortunately books won't have signs in them. "Can I watch a class of that for words?"

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"I expect so! You'll have to talk to the school about scheduling that."

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"Okay. I might need to watch a lot."

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"The first seven years worth of classes are free for everyone."

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"I probably won't need seven years."

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"Sounds likely. - Oh, here's something edible, these in particular have had their fresh edges cut off but this species of mushroom is the kind that's good to eat. Further into the woods it's less likely anyone will have gotten to them yet."

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"Okay. I don't mind going for long walks."

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"Convenient, that," she says with a touch of wryness that is the first emotional expression she hasn't carefully controlled. "It's a bit of a trek from here to the nearest station, too."

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"Station?"

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"A place which, if you go there, you won't have to walk the whole way to where the school is. Over in that direction."

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"What is the not walking thing?"

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She can go into some detail about their railway, although she knows much more about the schedule and maintenance costs than she does about how it works. Something something gravity? Something something wheels? If Tarinda wants to hear about the recent debate about whether to subsidize tickets, Carey was around for that.

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Mostly she just wants more words and words about trains are more likely to be useful than words about mushrooms but the ticket subsidy debate is fine too.

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"So there's an argument that there's a compelling public interest in - uh, that everybody is better off with more people using public transit, because some things people use it for are good for more people than just themselves. For example because it facilitates sending children to school, or feeding the people up north who are using their land for things besides food. The alternative is - oh, those fruits are edible, by the way," she says, pointing out a bush that grows rambutans despite not being the sort of plant on which rambutans from Earth normally grow. "Anyway, the alternative is to leave it to the market, which is an approach that we generally expect to scale more easily as the population increases. And it is increasing faster, because it increases as a function of how many people there already are..."

She can just go on like that, giving the impression that she thinks everyone's arguments make a lot of sense and it's a hard decision.

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Tarinda picks some rambutans and eats them as they walk, staring all the while at her escort's hands.

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Words words words. Carey is very easy to convince to expound at length about various aspects of Sathend's infrastructure.

" - Oh, and don't eat that kind of mushroom unless you want to die - and that bush over there will have nuts in a few months - "

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Then by the time they head back to civilization Tarinda will be much better able to talk! About, for example, auditing classes. Since there's no way for her to learn signs any more rapidly than watching them.

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Carey can give her directions to the school, and assure her that's what it's there for, but does not in fact handle enrollment.

"I think one of our historians was hoping to get the chance to talk to you at your soonest convenience - in case you recognize anything from the old world - but you can probably convince him to talk while you're on your way."

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"That would be best!" she agrees.

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Carey beckons to the guy with the old illustration who came with her. "Why don't you show Tarinda to where she wants to be, and show her your other things while you do that?"

"I can do that - Tarinda, the school first?"

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"Yes please!"

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He starts walking. Heading, actually, for the nearest railway station; it'll take them straight there.

"I was hoping you'd be able to tell me if any of this looked familiar or like your world," he says along the way, offering her the illustration he brought. It's hard to parse, done by someone who was an amateur at best, and done from memory; it was supposed to be a few people sitting outside at a café, one of them in a button-down gesturing with their pastry as someone in tie-dye makes a show of ignoring them in favor of what might be a smartphone.

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"...I could try drawing a similar scene that would have been like what my world used to be like but I can't be sure from the picture."

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"If you run out of other things on your to-do list, it'd be good. What if I tell you an old story and you tell me if you recognize it?"

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"I would like that!"

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"Once upon a time, a mage created a world singlehandedly, a world bigger than Sathend, and he ruled the world he created. In this world, there was a man, whose name was Job," but unfortunately the sign used here is made up out of whole cloth, "and Job had a happy family and everything he needed or wanted. He was very fond of the creator, because of this; he believed the creator was a good person and sent him gifts all the time. One of the creator's children, who was also a mage, and was known as the enemy, said to the creator: 'Job only likes you because you give him things, not for who you are, not even for what you do for other people. If he wasn't rich, he would hate you.'

"And the creator said: 'I don't think so. I think he would like me even if he lost everything. And if you want to test that, go ahead.'

"So the enemy stole all of Job's things and murdered all of his pets. And Job sent a letter to the creator, asking for help, and the creator didn't answer. But when the creator and the enemy read the letter together, they found that it was entirely polite and even deferential, and said nothing even slightly unkind about the creator.

"'Oh,' said the enemy, 'that's only because he's still healthy and has his family. If he were really hurt he would stop loving you.'

"And the creator said: 'Of course not! He truly loves me. It's not just because he wants things from me. Go ahead and test that.'

"So the enemy did test that. He killed one of Job's children and told another lies about Job that made her run away and hide. And then he cursed Job with sickness.

"Job once again wrote to the creator to ask for help, and now also to ask why this was happening to him, and for a while he received no reply. His friends came to be with him, to try to comfort him and try to figure out why the creator would let this happen. His friends didn't believe he wasn't being punished for doing something wrong; they thought the creator would never do anything so cruel as this. Job insisted it wasn't like that. Job insisted that he had never done anything to deserve this; one of his friends asked him if he was saying that the creator was cruel and shouldn't be in charge. This was a serious accusation, in their world, because if you said that someone who was in charge shouldn't be, you would be punished; they didn't have democracy, yet, and people ruled those they were stronger than.

"And Job said he would never say such a thing. He didn't believe that the creator was cruel; he didn't believe he was being punished; he was just confused.

"A transcript made its way to the creator, who finally came to visit Job. Job, by this point, was feeling frustrated, and said, 'I have done nothing wrong and I don't see why you let this happen to me. It isn't fair! If we were equals and went to a judge the judge would say you were in the wrong!'

"And the creator said, 'Such brave words, when you know I could destroy you with a thought. What do you think gives you the right to say such things?'

"And Job backed down. He agreed that he was as nothing, next to his creator.

"For this, his creator had mercy, and healed him, and suggested to all his friends that they ought to each give him something nice. Eventually, Job once again had every material good he wanted or needed.

"There are two versions of this story recorded in the chronicles: one that is incomplete and explicitly original to the writer, and one that is even harder to understand than most of the old records but explicitly not original. This retelling draws as heavily on the latter as is feasible."

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"Are the records in knots?"

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"Yes, but - differently. The words go in a different order sometimes, and some of the meanings have changed - you can see an example, if you want, I've go some in my bag." He offers her an excerpt from Life Before which starts explaining the concept of dairy products, stops to explain germ theory, and then digresses from germ theory into historical book genres.

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"The story is not totally different from a story that exists in my world. But if there were any drawing-words instead of knot-words to look at, I can use those much faster to learn things."

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"Drawing words exist but there really aren't many examples - at the college there's a collection of reproductions of all of them, though."

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"Oh good."

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"It's farther than the school, but in the same direction from here."

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"How much farther? How far have we walked so far?"

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"I don't know the answer to either of those questions - I guess we've walked less than half a mile - but we'll be at the station in another couple minutes and then it doesn't really matter, it's one stop further along the same line."

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"I just wanted words for how much distances are."

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"Oh! Okay. A mile is a fun distance to walk and lets you really clear your head. Ten miles is a hard distance to walk and takes hours and hurts your feet. Thirty miles is as far as you can go without having to turn around. I am five feet nine inches tall. One foot is twelve inches. Half a mile is a reasonable walking commute as long as the ground is level and you're happy with your footwear situation. You can find a model of the railway later with distances between stations."

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"I can walk farther than that. How many inches in a mile?"

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"Uhhhh... twelve to a foot and around five thousand something feet in a mile...? And I'm not saying you're too weak to walk more than thirty miles. I'm saying if you start at one end of the world that's as far as you can go before you get to the other end."

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"I mean it doesn't take me hours to go ten miles and my feet won't hurt. We have miles and inches in my world, but I didn't know your signs for them so I had to ask how they added up."

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"You have the same units of measure - we should check volume measures but I don't have any handy - most adults weigh between one and two hundred pounds, does that sound familiar?"

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"Yes!"

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"Weird. Anyway, here we are. I'll get us tickets."

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"Thank you."

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He does that. They don't have a long wait.

They do have some fellow passengers who are very interested in Tarinda, some of whom are trying to figure out whether it'd be a good idea to try to talk to her.

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She can sign "hello" at them!

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Well, in that case, clearly they should talk to her. Several of them at once, in fact.

"Hello!"

"Welcome to Sathend!"

"If you want to know where all the cool things to see are I know where to find them!"

"Are you really an alien though. Really."

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"I think I'm the same kind of thing as you but I am from another sky!"

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"Okay but maybe you're the same kind of thing as us from this sky and you had a mage change your looks and give you alien food."

"No she isn't, be nice."

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"What do you think would show that I am for sure not from this sky?"

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"If other people could go to your world?" the suspicious person suggests.

Some of the other people have further suggestions, too.

"If you had technology we don't remember how to make and it was way too much better than what we had to have invented it by yourself?"

"Technically, I think if you had kids who also looked more like you and less like the locals, or if literally everyone agreed you were a stranger and they weren't missing anyone - not that I don't already believe you!"

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"It would be nice if other people could go to my world! I don't know how to do it right this minute. And I don't have any kids. I have technology though."

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Well, in that case, she should definitely sell her tech. This gets approximately unanimous agreement.

"The scouts might be able to aim for your world," the historian says.

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"That would be good! Most of the technology I already have is in my body. Some of it I can try to build though. I don't really want to sell my sword if I don't have to."

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"Are those very important where you're from?"

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"Not at all! I just like sword-ing for fun."

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"Good, I'm sure no one wants to be menaced by swords if they visit."

"Not that they wouldn't send you home, they'd just send you alone and never visit, probably."

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"No one in my sky is menaced with swords if they don't think it's fun," she promises.

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"Do they actually live in the sky or do you just not know the word world?"

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"I don't have very many words yet. World might be the right word! What does it mean?"

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"Everywhere you can get to if you go up or down or left or right or forward or backward? Some of them might have planets in them, which are like Sathend but spherical and if you go to the bottom then down is up and up is down."

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"World is the right word, then! It has planets."

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"Do you live on one of the planets? Is it really weird not being able to see all the way around it?"

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"I live on a planet. It's not very weird. I'm used to it."

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Various people say variously inane things along the way.

They pass fields of tomatoes and cucumbers and unfamiliar root vegetables, and occasional orchards of some kind of fruit that writhes and squirms. The solar parallax is very noticeable, traveling this far.

And they come to another station, from which the school is just a short walk away and immediately visible. It's a whole complex of buildings and yards, added to several times as the population has grown; there's a tree with strings of writing hanging from it, a swingset, a set of monkey bars, and a large climbable structure which on closer inspection is actually a periodic table. School's not in session at the moment, but a custodian and a couple of kids are doing cleanup, and a teacher has opted to grade essays while perched up in the tree.

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(She wants to know what the wiggly fruit is and why it does that, please?)

Is school going to be back in session any time soon?

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(The wiggly fruit is made of protein fibers similar to those in the muscles of living animals, and wiggles for exercise and blood flow. The plants it grows on are called squidbushes, because of a no-longer-clear etymology.)

School will be back in its regular session a little before noon tomorrow, and there'll be an evening session starting in an hour. Now's a fine time to talk auditing schedules, though.

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Okay, does she talk to the teacher in the tree about that?

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Yeah, they haven't ever really had the kind of complicated questions around enrollment that would lead them to have a specific person on staff to handle just that.

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Then she will climb up the tree, no problem.

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"Ground bores you too, huh? Anyway, you wanted to sit in on some classes, right? Which ones are you interested in?"

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She finds a way to perch that doesn't require her hands to stabilize and says, "As many as I can! I need a lot of words."

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"Well, you can't sit in on every class, if for no other reason than that some of them happen at the same time as each other, and you have the vocabulary to have this conversation - suppose you join the seniors, and, hm, evening sessions are their own kettle of fish but suppose you sit in on tonight's postapocalyptic history class and decide if it's useful for you."

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"That sounds interesting and useful! Thank you."

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Tonight's session of postapocalyptic history is not very difficult or complicated, for the age of most of the students taking it, most of whom have taken it before. They go over the decision to plan ahead and institute representative democracy while anyone still remembered how it worked, even though the population hadn't yet reached a point where it needed a government. They go over some of the arguments that were made at the time, about whether this was actually necessary.

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How small was the population at the time? What kind of democracy did they go with? Where did this population even come from originally, do they know?

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Less than a hundred, while they were having their arguments. They went with a small unicameral legislature, a court, and originally a president (a role which shrunk in importance over time). They describe the original founding population as refugees from the lost world.

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But where in the lost world???

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...Well, there's no connection between the old names and the new ones, but she can learn some of the new ones. This question might be better answered by looking through the first chronicles herself; they have copies in the school library.

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On strings?

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Yep. Everything is.

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There's no, like, really, REALLY old writing, which is flat?

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"Try the college, in general they're the ones who'll have anything more useful for historical research than copies of the first chronicles with modernized spellings."

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"Okay! How do I get there?"

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"There's a station near it, last one on that line. It's north northeast of here."

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"Okay, thank you!"

Tarinda will go that way.

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There's about a half hour wait at the station this time, but her ticket from earlier is still good, at least.

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Cool. And at the university how hard is it to get at the library and find flat writing?

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The hardest part is probably avoiding being distracted by any of the people who want to interview her. The librarian is perfectly willing to show her a page with all the old-style writing collected on it. The biggest individual sample is from when someone tried for three sentences to keep a diary; it's in code but it's in the kind of code a person can invent and use without a computer helping.

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Oh. She thought there would be more of it.

"This is all?"

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"That's it," says the librarian. "At least, that we have in Sathend."

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"Why did people stop doing flat writing?"

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"Have you heard about the magic yet?"

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"Only a little."

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The librarian sighs.

"A world had ended and those who survived found a space not at all like what you've seen of this world. You've seen a world big enough to wander out of earshot of all but the loudest noises, a world where the view is broken up by mountains and trees. You've seen a world where you can get away from the magic.

"The existence of such a world is sustained by that magic, and the sacrifice demanded of the mages - and the number of mages needed - scales with the size of the world so maintained, not the size of the population. A smaller world has never been viable; the air and water take more maintenance the less of them there are.

"There was a time when not one person could have read this style of writing - not such a long time that knowledge of it died out, but long enough for people to be used to something else. Then there was a longer time when writing in this style would have been automatically secret from a majority of people, and so not used for anything public - and so it was a less important form of literacy to pass on."

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"A secret? Why?"

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He startles visibly and then laughs wryly at himself for underestimating the size of the inferential gap with someone from another universe. "You can't risk seeing the magic. Anyone interacting with it regularly - it would have been daily, at that point - would be blind. And at least for people from this world it's difficult to make out the arrangement of ink or graphite by touch. Does that answer your question?"

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"- no, that explains why they could not read flat writing but not why it would be a secret."

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"If you're the first person to retire from magic, there's nothing you'd write in the old style but your own diary. And similarly for slightly larger numbers of people... writing that's only fit to be read by a small audience is only useful when you want to write things only that small audience should read."

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"...I'm still not sure I understand, but it is what it is."

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"I suppose it is. Well, we have other books, some of which might have better answers to your questions than I can offer off the top of my head. Don't take them out of the library until you're cleared for that but you can read most anything any time."

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"I don't think knot writing will be as useful as flat writing would have because I can't read it extra fast."

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"I suppose it would be hard to get used to a new way of writing."

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"It isn't that. I have a thing in my head that can see what I see and hear what I hear. It can feel a little of what I feel, but not all of it, and it can't read knots I'm touching. And it is hard to look at a lot of knots at once, but I could look at a whole page of flat writing at once, for the thing in my head, and it could read that."

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"Hm. You can lay them out flat but that takes time and regardless they're just bigger than flat writing has to be. Still. Maybe try the articles they hang up on the walls - the closest would be through that door and to your left..."

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"Thank you."

She will go skim articles on walls.

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Along a long hallway, broken up here and there by classroom and office doors, she can read the latest issues of four different journals and some miscellany.

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She doesn't really care what it is. She is just moving her eyes, listening to music, waiting for Page's digest.

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There's an article about the probable impact of increasing the diameter of the world two inches, an article on the limitations of optical microscopes that incidentally makes it clear they don't have electron microscopes, speculative neuroscience contributing to a goal of eventually being able to use magic to heal neurological problems, an article on yeast breeding that incidentally implies they don't have cereal grains, and an article on the feasibility of eyes that glow or sparkle that incidentally implies people buy new eye colors sometimes. And other than that, mostly population estimates for plants and insects, life satisfaction research, and fertilizer efficacy data.

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Okay. Is anybody lurking hoping to talk to her right now that she could ask questions of?

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Yep! The historian from before has caught back up with her, and there's a reporter and several other people.

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Okay.

She will answer their questions, but she wants to know more about magic and what it can do.

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Several people try to answer that at once.

"Pretty much anything, and all it wants in return is pain."

"It can make things, or probably destroy things - "

"It keeps the world from disappearing."

" - and it's what they use to travel to other worlds, when they do that."

"It's friendly, it just feeds on suffering and rends minds. It can pretty arbitrarily rearrange matter, or make more of it, but it doesn't have human common sense, so it needs very specific requests."

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"Is it important," she asks, "that it be blind and deaf people who do it, rather than that it not be seen nor heard?"

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"No, not at all."

"Well, not unless you count having to gouge your eyes out before work and shifts being twice as long as important. Seems important to me, I dunno."

"True and I guess you wouldn't want someone out of practice trying to wander around blind in the inner sanctum either but technically."

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"- is it important that you not have eyes or just not be able to see. I have a thing that can stop me from seeing."

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"Has to be the second thing."

"You don't know that. - That's something to ask a mage. Anyone know if Donna's still here?"

"She left, said it was getting late."

"I have a suggestion," says the reporter. "It is getting late. What if we spend the rest of the evening going over your variously augmented abilities and alien knowledge, figure out which ones would be useful and figure out which people you should talk to about them in what order, and then I offer you a room for the night and tomorrow I show you to either someone who handles mage scheduling or whoever we decide is a higher priority for you to talk to."

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"Okay, that's a good idea, thank you."

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"Let's borrow one of these classrooms for some privacy and you can start by telling me about the tools you carry inside you."

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She she goes and tells them about how Page is software (insofar as she can explain that) and runs all the hardware she has implanted, making her stronger, faster, nimbler, self-repairing, able to see and hear what Page adds (or, relevantly, subtracts) where it's hooked in to her auditory and ocular nerves.

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"Is Page itself an intelligent thing with independent access to your senses?"

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"It's not a person. It is intelligent without being a person. It has access but it can stop receiving."

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"I see. Page might not have to be a person to malfunction if it saw magic, but if it can avoid that, that's promising. And how about your healing?"

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"What about it?"

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"I imagine it's safe for it to interact with your brain, which magic can't heal. If that's something you could share it'd end aging entirely, I think."

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"It's not something I can share right here and now unless magic can copy it, which it might be able to. What I want to do is make a copy of the thing that built Page."

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"Magic can copy it, if it's not itself magic. Whether it should is going to depend on whether the copying would involve the magic filling in a lot of... details of mindstate. But what is the thing that built Page?"

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"Nothing I have is magic.

The thing that built Page is called Sing." Here she's importing the ASL. "It's like Page, only much, much, much smarter. Page has a copy of the - way to make something that turns into Sing. All magic would need to do would be make a computer that can let Page talk to it. Page knows how those are made, too, and can tell me."

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"Do you have an estimate of how long it would take you to describe that well enough for a mage to make it?"

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"I don't know! I don't know what mages need to know and I've only had Page learn the kind of sign you see, not the kind you touch! I was thinking I could do it myself, if - me relaying to the magic what Page's instructions are, could do it - and if Page turning off my eyes and ears temporarily would work."

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"Huh. Even more reason for you to get in touch with someone who coordinates mage schedules. So you do have the information - I imagine you have a lot of other technical and scientific information we don't, as well. Any examples of that jump out at you?"

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"Um, a lot of them, but once Sing is here it can handle getting them to everyone better than I can."

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"...It sounds like Sing can do a lot of different things. I don't suppose it's the kind of tool where you can easily list all the things it can do?"

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"A person can do more things than an animal, because of being smart. Sing can do more things than a person, because of being smarter."

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"...So you want to make a mind that is to us as we are to animals. I think you don't need to clear that with magic scheduling, I think you need to clear that with the government. Uh, does everything interesting you can do pretty much start with 'step one: make a super-entity to rule over us' or have you got alternatives if they won't go for it?"

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"...um, I can do some things without it but only much much slower and worse. I'm from a place with the super-entity and it's very good though!"

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"What's very good about it?"

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"We don't die. We have nicer things than you and more space and no one has to do magic for it."

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"Did Sing make the extra space or was it just there waiting?"

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"It was there but far away and hard to get to. I can draw some things?"

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"Sure, I think there's got to be chalk around here... yeah, here."

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Tarinda draws the solar system. She can't label anything because they don't have flat writing but she can point at stuff and then sign about it. "This is Earth, where humans are from," she says of the earth. "I drew some things a little bigger and closer together so you can see them all. Humans started existing here on this ball of water and rock. It goes around this sun. This other planet Mars also goes around that sun. I am from Mars. There is no air between Earth and Mars."

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Nod. "They say the lost world was like that. That's something people do want, but it won't be urgent for another few generations. And you mentioned having nicer things - I imagine your Page counts but I bet there are other things you're thinking of."

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"We have a bunch of ways to fly, and to talk to people far away, and if I get injured it heals itself - I can show you if you want. And I don't do chores, I have things that do them for me."

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"Tell me more about the things that do chores for you?"

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She draws a little dragon. "Mine look like this. They can talk and are smart the way Page is smart but they are not people. Other people have different kinds. They cook and clean and bring me things. They can guess what I want."

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"That's..." Sam reconsiders how much language exposure Tarinda's had and edits out some slang. "...impressive and I want one. I think I have a good enough picture of your technology, at this point. Want to check if you're also ahead in math or the social sciences?"

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"I don't personally do math for fun but Page can answer your math questions and I can relay what it says. Same with social sciences."

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"...I want one of those, too, that's convenient." And Sam can ask a few questions on those topics, too, like whether they've been able to do anything about the weaknesses of self-report surveys and what's considered cutting edge math where Tarinda's from.

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"Cutting edge" is a weird topic with a superintelligence around but here is some stuff about where mathematicians working independently have gotten. Surveys aren't exactly obsolete but they mostly fill a "straw poll" role; before Sing they had, say, the trick where you tell people to answer honestly unless a die comes up 1, in which case they should answer whatever the socially undesirable answer is.

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"Okay. I think - I don't want to overstate this but I think you may be the second most important thing to ever happen to this world and you should talk to the government about how cautious they'd like to be in taking advantage of that. You are really important but not that time-sensitive so I don't know if you'll be able to do that tomorrow - probably? I can talk to some people, and in the mean time, do you want to stay at my place or try to find a room for rent around here?"

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"I think it's kinda time sensitive but I guess tomorrow works if the whole government is asleep or something. Your place sounds good, thank you."

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"No problem." Sam stands and starts to head for the door and then hesitates and adds, "I know every minute you spend here without your dragon servants you're leaving your friends to worry or missing appointments and I'd say I appreciate you bearing with us but I've always found it infuriating when people thank me for enduring things I had no choice about."

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"I appreciate the thought."

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They can make it to Sam's place without anything terrible happening.

Sam's bedroom is locked and the curtains are closed; the rest of the place is neat and minimalist with neutral décor so void of personality it loops back around into being a statement. There's a living room couch that's long enough and deep enough to be comfortable to lie on, a couple of little embroidered throw pillows, and a spare sheet and blanket. It's apparently a very small apartment, like a studio as reimagined by someone who hated open floor plans.

"If you make yourself comfortable I can go drop off a note about Sing and we can see how long it takes them to get back to us."

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"Is there dinner?" she asks.

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Sam opens up a pantry cupboard. "You can take what you like, I don't cook and I wouldn't at this hour anyway. Oh, and the tap water's safe to drink."

Tarinda can take her pick of crackers, jam, hazelnut butter with or without chocolate, hard cider, and jerky.

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"Thank you!"

She will eat crackers and jam and nutella till she's full and then sleep on the couch.

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In the morning, the postperson comes by with a formal invitation for Tarinda to appear before the assembled legislature in a few hours.

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Sounds good. Where should she go?

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It's a needlessly large white building with marble columns, surrounded by gardens, a bit northwest of the college but still an easy trip.

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Then she will have some crackers and hazelnut butter for breakfast and then run there.

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They budgeted time for someone worse at running, more likely to get lost and more interested in getting dolled up, so she'll be there in plenty of time to get familiar with the place and watch some of the others invited to the meeting show up. One of whom is the mage who was there when she first landed.

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She'd say hi but she does not know how.

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In addition to the legislators, they end up with one of the supreme arbiters, two mages (the unfamiliar one is a middle-aged woman with lots of gaudy jewelry), a couple of people taking notes, and a couple of people to repeat things for the mages. And beyond that, a lot of people hanging out on balconies overlooking the meeting.

She may recognize one of the legislators, as well; she's the woman who came to chat with Tarinda and make sure she really was an alien. She is also the one who addresses the assembly first, to briefly summarize how Tarinda arrived and why they believe she's from another world; then she invites Tarinda to speak for herself.

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Tarinda will get up and sign her proposal about magicking up a blank computer - she can do this herself if that seems safe to the experts - and then putting Sing on it so that it can fix everything and grab everybody safely to a place with plenty of space that requires no magical maintenance.

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"I hear that Sing is to humans as humans are to animals. In your world, does Sing play a role in governance or confine humans to certain areas?"

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"Not really! Governance is kind of obsolete, people still do some of it especially on Earth where there are historical states with continuity but I'm from Mars. Humans can go wherever we want as long as we, like, can, but it can't break lightspeed so far."

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"What does it mean for governance to be obsolete - could you give some concrete examples of things that happen when people have disputes about contracts, or want to control the same areas, or damage each other's things?"

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"Let's see... I have a contract with someone to let me know her location, so I can help someone else avoid her. If she decided she wanted to turn that off, she could, but the contract specifies that I still have to be able to accomplish my goal there so she would have to cover any expenses associated with making it happen some other way."

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"If she didn't want to cover those expenses, would you take your payment by force?"

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"I don't think she'd even notice, we don't use money for most things any more and it would just get automatically deducted at some point when it would be least likely to bother her."

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"...You don't use money for - I'm picturing here that you have even more productive forests, that produce all the foods people want and cloth besides, but I'm not seeing how you'd get a house or a resurrection or a ride to Mars."

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"Rides to Mars and houses are free. Resurrections actually aren't because Sing has to do them one at a time, but it can just have robots available to build houses and drive spaceships for anyone who wants."

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"Does Sing primarily interact with humanity by giving people things, and otherwise stay distant?"

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"Mostly, yeah. It doesn't think it's good for people to talk directly to it much."

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"Because it would damage their minds to hear its thoughts, or for another reason?"

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"It isn't a person, so there isn't a real true thing it's thinking, it's always thinking a lot of things and trying to do a lot of things. It can't do anything else. So if it talks to someone, it can have a conversation, but it can't have the kind of conversation that people have with people, and it wouldn't hurt them but it thinks it's better if it affects people less directly."

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"Does it communicate through intermediaries or just not?"

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"It can use intermediaries but a lot of what it does isn't talking, it just arranges things so they'll happen to go well."

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"And - has anyone managed to come up with a way to check whether Sing is tricking you into trusting it and going to eventually betray you, or is it just too much smarter?"

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"It's too much smarter, but it's been around for a long time now."

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"That complicates things that were already quite complicated. I imagine Tara will have more useful things to say here, though, if you would?"

There's a slight pause as that's relayed and then the mage with the gaudy jewelry stands and takes Carey's place, where Tarinda and everyone else can see her.

"I do, yes," Tara says. "You've laid out a plan and how it might work, and it has substantial potential upside. To carry it out, you are requesting access to the magic, which is normally granted to people we have known all their lives. There's no one here but you to testify that you weren't exiled here for repeatedly leaving your toenail clippings in other people's bags of flour. I expect that's not true, but I don't expect it as strongly as I'm used to for new mages. I would like either additional evidence or the plans for a computer so that someone else can make it."

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"I would be happy to let someone else make it but I'm not sure how I will explain it to someone who can't see. I can try, if it seems like it would be doable. What more evidence would you like?"

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"If you're not familiar with models or tactile drawings, or something along those lines, I'm sure we can find someone who is and can translate. And... everything that comes to mind to ask for as evidence seems at once too much and too little. If I say you should live here peacefully for a year, following the laws and being good to your neighbors, that's utterly unreasonable when you have people waiting back home, and it would still be less evidence than we normally like to have. I think describing a computer to someone else is probably a better bet."

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"Okay. Maybe I could do that and somebody who already knows how could turn my drawings into models or tactile drawings? It seems like it might be faster."

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"Yes. Would this person also need expertise in any other field, or can I ask any sighted servant to do it?"

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"They would need to be able to ask - good clarifying questions if they didn't understand, but I don't think you have the fields that would help so we will have to do without."

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"I know a lot of people with that skill and I can put you in touch with one after we're done here. It also occurs to me that you might want to go home while we're deciding what to do with the information, or - oh, or try to bring someone else here, if there's someone who'd independently vouch for you and Sing and would want to come."

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"That sounds risky."

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"What risks are you thinking of?"

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"Something going wrong with transporting me, or the someone else. Also doesn't any of this involve someone suffering?"

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"Yes, all of it would involve someone suffering, and yes, it's not impossible something could go wrong with an attempt to reach your home. The risk to you in particular can be minimized at some cost to us. If you don't want to go home, you're not being exiled, but... I don't see how that risk is ever going to go away if you do want to go home."

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"I want Sing to put me home, it knows how. - you could just bring some hardware with Sing on it here, if that would be simpler than the making a blank computer thing."

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"...Sing knows how to travel between worlds?"

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"Well, not yet, or it would probably have gotten me already, but I think it will figure it out very quickly once it's here."

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"It sounds as if Sing could quickly come to an understanding of how our magic can be safely and effectively worked with. Do you expect Sing could use that understanding? Can Sing feel pain, for instance?"

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"I don't think it can but it might be able to start."

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"A useful thing to be able to do," she says, not at all cheerfully. "And... Sing backs you up less frequently than daily, is that right?"

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"We aren't backed up. We're very very safe but it has some limits on what it can do with brains."

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"Well, if Page stops noticing the world when you sleep, then you're backed up as of last night."

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"It doesn't."

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"Then you are the most vulnerable person who has ever set foot in this universe and it makes sense that you're so risk-averse. It's still awkward not to have anyone who can vouch for you - I suppose we could send a team to your world and hope they could operate unnoticed by Sing long enough to see if it's as nice a place as you say. And bring back the relevant hardware, rather than opening ourselves up to the chance that Sing is lovely but you'd give us the code for something else - so if we did do that, if it were even a feasible idea, it'd have to be after we were sure that if your world is as you describe it's something we want here. But is that a feasible plan?"

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"Page can stop paying attention next time I sleep if that's important, but I didn't know. Uh, I think your plan basically works except that Sing will almost certainly notice you very quickly."

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"Doesn't need to be the entire time; if there's a window of even a few minutes where you're not dreaming and Page isn't noticing things, then we'd have something to aim for if anything happened to you. All right, well, I appreciate your warning - I'm sure we all do - and we'll think on whether to go ahead with that. I will find you someone who asks good clarifying questions, and the government will probably decide not to decide anything until the public's been informed and had the chance to speak up - I don't speak for them, here, I just know them - " (Carey nods at this, smiling) " - but while we're doing that, I think you'll want to speak to the head of the scouting team about how we'd find your world if we were going to do that."

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"I'd be happy to!"

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"That's the other mage in attendance," Tara says, and gestures in approximately the right direction. She returns to her seat while Carey goes about saying in slightly more formal terms that Tarinda and the mages are done here.

The aforementioned other mage in attendance waves.

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...Tarinda waves back uncertainly.

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 The person she brought along tips her off to that. Really it just matters that Tarinda's paying attention to her.

"If now's a good time to talk we could go hang out by the liar tree on the east edge of the garden."

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"I think now is fine."

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Donna will go wait for her by the tree, then, and ask the person she's with to wait around for a minute in case Tarinda turns out to hate touching people.

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Tarinda does not hate touching people but does not know the contact sign language.

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Is it really that different? Maybe it is, maybe what feels like a simple and obvious pattern of small changes is actually really hard to guess without years of experience signing, Donna guesses she wouldn't actually know since she doesn't remember ever not having years of experience and neither does any other adult she's ever met.

"Okay. Well, what I need is, first of all, to be able to identify your world to the magic unambiguously, and second, to be able to find the right part of it. For the first thing, I don't actually know yet whether asking for the world you came from will work, but if it doesn't, I can do it from a sufficiently precise and detailed description of fundamental physics, as long as you're not mistaken about it. For the second, I imagine you know better than I do what landmarks someone could see from space."

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Tarinda will rattle off fundamental physics as Page presents it to her in sign, and describes bits of Earth and Mars that could be seen from space.

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"...So technically this isn't important to whether I can find it but does your world have an immigration policy?"

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"You can live on Mars. You all can. I think you can probably live most places on Earth and most stations and moons too but it's not as guaranteed as Mars since you're a weird situation."

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"I'd like that. Assuming our birds can move there too, and assuming we can get there from here at all."

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"Your birds? Your birds can probably move there too but I didn't know you had important birds."

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"I bribed mine to stay away today because he'd just annoy everyone at the meeting, but you may've seen him leave with me when I went to tell people about you. They're smarter than fish and less smart than five year olds so they're right in that sweet spot where they make good friends but wouldn't get anything out of a letter."

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"Cute. You can bring your birds to Mars."

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"Good. I'm thinking maybe we could move everything, so people keep their houses and stuff, but it'd be so expensive and even if you have the space I don't know what happens if you mix our bugs or our crops with yours and I'm getting ahead of myself considering I haven't actually gone and found your world yet."

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"I wouldn't worry much about the bugs or crops but you could ask Sing to confirm."

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"It'd be weird being able to ask Sing things and not go mad from it. Good, but weird."

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"We usually don't talk directly to Sing. I've never done it. It wouldn't drive you mad though and you can get things from other robots."

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"Yeah. By the way, it's gonna be a few days before I'm ready to scout your world, so if you get done talking to whoever Tara thinks you should talk to before then, you can come find me for any reason. My house has a wrought iron flower design for the front gate and a birdhouse in the yard and it's near the base of the mountains near the north pole."

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"Thank you. - what are the few days for?"

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"Part of it's taking notes and talking with the rest of the team, but most of it is because I don't have that much power right now and I need a longer break before I can pay for it and then another break after I do that but before I use it. It probably sounds callous that I know you're stranded and I'm thinking 'yeah but I want to read this novel first and maybe play chess' but it would not be better if I rushed."

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"I'm new to magic existing for real and don't really know enough to say otherwise, but I'd like to learn more."

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"If you're more than a few questions worth of curious, swing by later and I'll lend you a book, but if you just want more elaboration on needing breaks, it's not only unpleasant to make sacrifices to the magic, it's also directly mind-affecting to be in its presence. We can limit that, so instead of going mad in seconds we can spend hours with it and come out mostly unchanged, but - only mostly. If I were to, for example, go straight from the inner sanctum into a potentially fraught diplomatic situation, I'd get angry, I'd ramble without thinking through what I meant to say, I'd be bad at picking specific goals and pursuing them, and if everyone else involved wasn't patient with me and I couldn't easily get away I might hit them. It's not hard to fix but it takes time."

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"Okay. Thank you for explaining."

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It's convenient that she's still near the capitol; the person Tara sends can find her easily, and ask her about computers as soon as she and Donna are done.

He asks great clarifying questions.

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Then presently she will have explained computers such that neither she nor Page can think of ways for this to go wrong if someone just conjures up a machine to this spec!

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After which he thanks her and abandons her to the small horde of people waiting to ask for a demo of vocal speech, ask repetitive questions about Mars that she's already answered, ask her to take a side in their ship war, offer her a restaurant coupon in the hope that she'll write a review later, try to sell her a map, and ask her if she knows the ending to a popular comic series one of the initial refugees summarized the beginning of very engagingly.

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Gosh. She will sing them a song and read them a poem. She has no opinion on their ship war. She will accept the restaurant coupon. If they give her a summary of the comic series's beginning Page will see if it knows the rest.

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The song and poem get a little applause, the song more so than the poem. The comic starts with alien humanoids fleeing persecution and being betrayed by their ostensible saviors; it might be Elfquest, if someone took some liberties in translating it to a new language and medium.

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She will try guessing some plot points suiting Elfquest, and if those match she will sign through the rest of the plot.

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"That's pretty awesome. Not as good as the fanfic version, though."

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"Sorry to disappoint!"

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"I'm not disappointed, it's awesome! You should totally read the fan version, though, it's called Landing in the Deeper Shadow."

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"Maybe I will when it's been translated!"

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"You should! And if you like it, I have other recs, too!"

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"Usually I don't read a lot of books, I do more, like, theater stuff. Theater with swords."

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"Oh, theater's cool, too. They're running some old classics at the college this season if you're into that but I don't really have recs."

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"That's okay. I do more acting than spectating anyway."

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"Neat! What kinds of plays do you do in your world?"

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"The kind I do is called combat dance! I do semi-scripted fights with a little story attached."

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"Oh, neat! We have stage combat here but it's usually more of a story with a little fighting attached. I think. I'm not enough of a theater buff to be absolutely sure I'd know if we had your thing."

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"It's a whole spectrum, back home. Do you want to see me do an exhibition drill?"

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"Yeah!"

They and what remains of the rest of the crowd all back up a bit.

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Then she can pull out her swords and do some very flashy flips and spins and high kicks and stabbings and slashings to imaginary enemies!

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This draws substantially more applause than the song, and more of a crowd than she already had.

"Oh," someone says, looking a bit more somber than the rest of the onlookers, "so that's how swords work."

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She sheathes it. "Yes? How else would they work?"

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Shrug. "I didn't have a mental picture. I guess if I'd tried to picture it I'd've pictured something more like dicing squidfruit. Or deboning fish."

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"Well, there are different kinds of swords but usually I don't have to dice my opponents like fruit."

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"That... makes sense."

Other than that she gets several compliments but they're about out of things to insist on drawing her attention to.

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She can sing some more! And then she wants to be directed to tourist attractions.

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"You could hike up to Sunrise Point some time in the evening and watch the sunset - or in the morning and watch the sunrise, but then it's just big and bright and overwhelming, whereas the sunset's miles away and straight across from you."

"If you haven't seen the woods yet you totally should."

"There's a famous mural up near the temple entrance that's been around for centuries. And an art gallery near the college."

"The outdoor theater's hosting a concert soon."

"The maze! One of the little villages has a maze, and they can move the walls around so it's new every month."

"Honestly, just go see the temple entrance, there's usually something happening up there - sometimes they're releasing extra butterflies or something to make up for a shortfall - even if there isn't anything in particular there's a bunch of shops and stuff nearby and the view from up there is cool."

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Cool. She plans herself an itinerary, starting at the art gallery and heading toward the temple entrance to see the mural and whatnot and then moseying to Sunrise Point for the sunset.

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The art gallery is small but eclectic, host to paintings in any style they can get them in, hand-carved sculptures and incredibly precise conjured sculptures, and a collection of three-dimensional jewel mosaics as interesting to touch as they are to see.

The temple neighborhood spills down the mountainside, something on every ledge along the way; the restaurant she has a coupon for is there, next to someone selling clothing, and above them are fountains spilling forth from geometric sculptures, then a cluster of what might be houses all made of lapis lazuli, then a shop selling housewares, and then what turns out to be only the first of the murals, tucked away so it's impossible to stand in the middle of the road blocking traffic and see it. The first one is math - a collection of proofs without words, and things that don't quite rise to the level of rigor needed to be proofs but hint strongly enough at ideas to help people rederive them later. It might have been kept around just for that, just for being something their ancestors wanted badly enough to save for them, but it was made to be beautiful, too, elegant linework and a split complementary color palette, looking a bit like what you might get if you asked Stephanie Pui-Mun Law to produce an abstract expressionist painting of cyborg fallen leaves.

Up a ways there's a cityscape at night, tall skyscrapers with lit windows beneath a crescent moon like a cheshire cat's grin. Parts of it are almost photorealistic and other parts dreamy and vague; on a closer inspection it has dozens of easter eggs, hidden meanings in the arrangement of light and dark in the windows and the shadows on the moon.

Past that - well, it's a regular busy neighborhood. There's a grocer haggling with a young mage over bulk nuts and a mage selling huge rolls of an experimental new fabric and a woman reminding a pair of children not to play on the safety railings. There are no butterflies being released at the moment, but a mage who needed a small amount of ice and conjured far too much is giving away snow cones. The sky looks steadily stranger the closer she gets.

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Tarinda has dinner at the restaurant, and takes a snowcone, and admires all the art.

What is strange about the sky?

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The sky doesn't quite cast or reflect light the way it would if it were a giant TV screen or a painting; it looks... right, to the point of being uncanny, at least in its hue and brightness and relative resistance to having those altered. But it rises almost vertically from the mountaintop, and while clouds are remarkably forgiving about scale standing within a few feet of the sky and seeing the size of the tiniest cloud wisps is outside the scope of what still looks about right. There's not a good spot in the temple district to stand and touch it.

In the restaurant door is a bead curtain whose beads are alternating rubies and lapis lazuli; past it there's live lap-harp music and an assortment of low tables and silk cushions, a menu sitting atop every clean unclaimed table (and in fact serving to mark which tables are clean). The best seats, by the round south-facing windows that look out on the fields stretching out toward the ponds (and then the ponds, and then the woods; there's no curvature in the way and the college and its surroundings are just out of line of sight), are already taken, but there's one unclaimed by a tapestry of a fantasy setting from a recent book series. The menu is probably shorter than what they have on Mars, but it's a far cry from Sam's snacks - she could have squidfruit battered and fried or glazed, or squid-of-the-woods battered and fried; she could have lemon green beans or glazed carrots or a salad of flowers and tomatoes; she could have apple pie or a chocolate rose.

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She will try the squidfruit! She has never had it before!

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It could pass for chicken, maybe the breast, though it's too tough and gamey to pass for farmed chicken and the skin, not being edible, has therefore been removed.

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It is an interesting culinary experience. ...oh, does she have enough money for this, she forgot to check.

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The coupon'll cover it.

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Great. She thanks the proprietor and moves on with her journey bouncily.

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The hike to Sunrise Point is a gentle one. A few other people are already on the way up by the time Tarinda gets there, a couple of couples and a family with kids.

Atop the mountain, the sky is right there, looming over them and slowly darkening. One of the others visiting sits with their back against it. It's almost aggressively textureless, smooth but not slick, slightly cool and getting cooler. There's a clear view all the way to the sunset; the sun itself isn't that big, but the warm sunset colors stretching out along the western base of the sky reach almost all the way to the northern- and southernmost points.

Much less blazingly bright than the sun, as darkness falls, the full moon rises. To some extent such a good view is wasted on this moon; it was painted from memory by someone who had always paid attention to its phases and to its brightness, but never really spent time examining enlarged pictures or noticing the exact shape of the dark spots. This moon is loosely painted, mottled with dark spots that look vaguely similar to those of Earth's moon, standing out starkly against the cloudless eastern sky. It looks big enough to swallow Tarinda; it's smaller than any moon in Tarinda's solar system.

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What does the sky feel like, if she pokes it?

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A little bit like wood that's been very finely polished, but with no noticeable grain, so actually not very like it. It has no give to it at all. The moon is a bit cooler than the rest; when it's just starting to rise it has an unpleasant feel to it that doesn't seem to have anything to do with texture, more like a shock or pins and needles, but that fades quickly and then there's nothing but the slight temperature difference to distinguish it to the touch.

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Cooool.

When she's done poking it she just watches the fake astronomy for a while. Then down she goes.

She never worked out where she's sleeping, and she should find a good safe place to do it so the magic people can back her up during a period of Page-insensibility, but it's not a disaster if she has to camp. She'll wander through town and see if anyone is interested in her enough for her to parlay it into a couch.

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There's someone who has spare blankets and pillows and floor space and would like to hear about Martian philosophy, a shift worker not using her bed right now who says she wants to make sure Tarinda feels welcome in Sathend, and someone who'd be delighted for her to share his bed in both senses.

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The Martian philosophy thing seems the most straightforward! The second one would be ideal if she were home but she is in a weird place and there might be weird hidden expectations associated with a general offer of welcome. Tarinda can copy Page's chereme instructions through a conversation about the Mars-original theory of aesthetic axiology, which Tarinda herself had never heard of before.

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This philosopher is thrilled and will ask followup questions until midnight or until Tarinda wants to stop, whichever comes first.

The pillows are more comfortable than Sam's and there's enough spare bedding to make a reasonably sized nest of. Her host offers drinks, if she wants.

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Drinks and a nest are both enthusiastically accepted.

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Her host sleeps in, but if she hangs out long enough in the morning she will eventually get offered a breakfast burrito.

The newspaper delivered in the morning has an article on an upcoming referendum on whether to deliberately make contact with Sing.

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Is there some kind of meeting she should consider attending or something?

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The article promises that non-duplicate non-harassing questions sent to the legislature will be forwarded to Tarinda if relevant, and the answers published on one of the northern cliff faces as well as summarized in the news.

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Okay. Where does she need to be to receive non-duplicate non-harassing questions, then.

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It doesn't say but it does say where the questions are collected, so if worse comes to worse she could stop by and ask. It seems like they might just be counting on their ability to find one unique-looking person making no effort to hide.

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Yes but she's kind of in a hurry.

She'll take her breakfast burrito and trot off to the listed address.

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Then she will find people sorting letters on the pavement in the middle of a cute little garden. Most of the letters don't yet have anything to do with Tarinda, except in the sense that whatever the answer to, say, Violet the random farmer's question about planar expansion would have been, it's going to be different if they contact Mars. There's a handful she can get a head start on now, though, and if she wants to take the answers over to the caretaker of the relevant cliff face herself one of the letter sorters can point her in the right direction.

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The knots are not easy to read - Page doesn't have a preexisting scaffold for the information, and she often has to twist them around for it to get a good look - and they're even harder to reply, so maybe she should sign answers to someone who can scribe for her?

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Scribes exist but none happen to be lying in wait to ambush her with coupons. One of the people sorting letters can explain how to find them, at least.

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She will go hunt for scribes.

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She can take her pick of mostly teenagers and young adults who mostly have other jobs. A college student, a technical writer between gigs and a teenage mage all charge rates she could maybe make enough to afford or maybe barter for. If she wants to hire this other scribe who records court proceedings, she's probably out of luck.

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This is important, why does she have to figure out the use of money to buy goods and services instead of to buy miracles for the first time in her life about this.

Are any of the questions actually urgent.

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Someone wants to know Sing's decision procedure for suicides who left ambiguous or incomplete information about their resurrection preferences. Someone wants to know if Sing is going to take issue with the beyond-human intelligence they already have. Someone wants to know how much weight they can expect their college degree from Sathend to carry on Mars. Someone wants to know if Sing will object if they want to keep scouting for worlds with lots of habitable planets that don't have any inhuman agents capable of destroying humanity if they so chose.

Also, someone wants to know how many moons Mars has.

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Okay, the urgent ones are the ones she doesn't know.

She can figure out how to tie the knot for "two" and send it back to the moons person.

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Then exactly one of these people will receive a satisfying answer.

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She spirals vaguely out from the spot, looking for ways to entertain herself while waiting for the vote.

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A woman with art supplies on hand and a sign advertising caricatures is waiting near but not in the way of a busy thoroughfare. She sees Tarinda, freezes for a moment, and then awkwardly attempts an inviting smile.

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Smile!

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"You, um, I wasn't at your hearing but I heard about it, uh, it's fine if you're desperately hoping to not be a spokesperson for a minute - I just had questions otherwise - "

She will call this conversation a success if she can successfully steer Tarinda toward someone with any social skills at all, preferably her husband who actually has things to ask Tarinda.

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"Go ahead and ask! Though I've seen some stumpers today."

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"You were involved with bringing people back and getting them oriented to your world, right? We're probably going to have a lot of people to orient and we were wondering if you had tips - I mean, you wouldn't do it yourself, I figure you're not that well positioned to talk to our ancestors, but none of us really know what we'd be orienting them to."

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"Oh, yeah, I can help with that! I haven't been working for a bit, I picked up a girlfriend in the course of waking people and have been focusing on her. Usually people want to ask questions and I find it works best if I answer them in order as best I can, it helps them feel more capable of orienting to the situation than if I just dumped a lot of information on them in an order that makes sense to me, do you want to pretend you just woke up on Mars and I'm answering your questions?"

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"That sounds like a pretty sensible way to do it - I bet my husband will also want to try that and have different questions, suppose I pack up and ask questions about Mars on the way to my place and then we have you over for dinner and more questions and maybe to stay the night?"

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"Sounds good to me!"

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Her art supplies and camp stool fold up neatly and quickly. "So. Mars. What is Mars, anyway, why is there room for humans there?"

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So Tarinda explains how planets work and that Mars was already there and just needed to be terraformed. Its ecology is managed more like the local one compared to Earth, which has wild stuff.

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"Wild stuff! I've read about that idea in novels, very cool that it really exists. Hm. Which species live on Mars, then?" Lia could herself rattle off all of Sathend's species. It might take her a couple minutes.

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"I don't have signs for most of them in this language! I could use signs from other languages but that would hardly help."

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"That is maybe a problem we need to figure out at some point but I guess for the non-mages it'll be as simple as drawing a bunch of pictures and pointing to them, at least to start out with. Is there already a convenient collection of those we could use?"

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"Not here, but yes. There might be more species than you're imagining, though."

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"Might be cool if there are. Maybe we can start with things you'd see in the... Sathend-sized area around where they wake up, or something... anyway, putting a pin in that for now, what are Martians going to think of us?"

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"I think you'll be very exciting! It's never happened before, finding a pocket of people who were this totally cut off. And then on top of that there's magic, though it seems possibly not like maximally exciting magic."

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"I have never thought about what would make magic more exciting before but I guess now that I'm thinking about it it'd be cool if it were something everyone could just do. Are we going to have people who want to interview us or, I don't know, people who want to visit Sathend?"

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"Probably! It'll be throttled to what's comfortable for you, though, you don't have to take interviews if that doesn't sound fun."

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"There are thousands of us and I assume most of your population would rather just read the interviews other people conducted so it's probably fine? I don't think I'd want one, maybe unless it was about art history, I might do fine at that. How would I tell the... people doing the throttling... about that?"

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"You don't have to specifically tell anybody, it just kind of works out that way, but I can tell my coordinator when we get there if you want."

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"Convenient. Hmm. I guess if I were just waking up I'd probably think it was worth asking how long ago the apocalypse was but we just don't have a good answer for that, for your world..."

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"We'll probably be able to tell once you're there, maybe by genetics or by what stories about Earth you have or something, but I don't know right now."

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"I'm noticing we haven't even talked that long and we already have a couple of things where we want to wait and get more information before we bring people back," she says, reaching for some string to take notes, "and we're probably just going to accumulate more. But I guess noticing all of those is one of the reasons we're even having this conversation, so, hm, next question... what's the most dangerous thing on Mars?"

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"There are dangerous... hobbies? Sometimes I get cut up when I'm swordfighting, because it's swordfighting."

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"Could someone, like... accidentally walk into an area where you were about to throw your sword, or something?"

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"Not really! I've done a couple combat-improv pieces where there were spectators who were allowed to jump in and join the scene if they wanted but I wasn't going to hit them by accident."

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"...That sounds fun, honestly... what about artistic volcanoes, surprisingly slick cliffs, poison mushrooms, fruits lots of people are allergic to, toxic paints...?"

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"I guess if someone really wanted to be allergic to blueberries instead of just not being allergic to blueberries any more they could pick some blueberries and eat them and have an allergic reaction. Artistic volcanoes are out of the way of things they would damage that they aren't supposed to."

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"You can fix allergies! We should have a list of things you can fix - that seems like a list that probably already exists somewhere - what else would I wonder if I were new - I would ask about my descendants but that's not useful to ask you right now - I would ask what happens to people who don't get jobs and don't have friends who offer them things."

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"It's a post-scarcity world! You can just get some robots to do all your chores for free and have them build you a house and cook you food and stuff and never need a job if you don't want one."

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"Are there specific places you'd have to put your house to be out of people's way, specific particularly easy foods you can expect to be living off of, does your house have to be small so the robots don't have too much work...?"

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"You can have a giant house. I have a castle. You can put it somewhere nobody's using, or in a city on top of stuff, or next to people you want to be neighbors with - I'd kind of expect an area to be set aside for people from here to start out while you're getting used to it but that's me guessing what Sing will do and it's smarter than me. The robots can make whatever food you want - I guess they might take a little bit to learn how to use the new ingredients around here and the recipes."

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"How would they... like, squidfruit is really picky, it doesn't grow well unless you kind of baby it, are the robots just going to start an orchard of it? Are there lots of robot-run farms on Mars?"

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"Yeah. I think most of them are underground."

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"...Of course, you must have so much underground space, most of Mars must be underground... I should have thought of that. Is that all reserved for Sing and the robots?"

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"Not at all! But outside is pretty nice so a lot of things with people involved happen there."

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"Makes sense! What's the top thing on Mars that you'd think it'd be a shame to miss out on?"

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"Everybody likes really different things, I'm not sure there's anything everybody should see, but one thing I like to suggest to people who've just woken up is flying."

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"That does sound pretty cool. What does it look like - I mean, your sky is fake, right, it's just that enough air all together is sort of hazy, so I'm guessing it never looks like you're near it...?"

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"The sky is not an object, so it doesn't look like you're near it, but you can get up very, very high if you want. Miles and miles."

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"Very cool. Hmm. Is there a state of the art about - so we've brought people back, but not generally after more than a few months, do you guys prefer to go in some kind of order so everyone's kids are alive to greet them or what?"

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"This is actually an unusual situation! Sing isn't magic, so it can only bring back people who were preserved right after they died, usually by freezing them or vitrifying them. Usually those get brought back right away, or after conditions they laid out beforehand are met, which might include kids but might not."

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"People do usually leave notes but almost all of our backlog is people with unfixable brain problems, so, you know, not the most high-quality notes. Come to think of it, I guess they'll want to know what exactly Sing is going to do about that - unless we keep them under till Sing is done, in which case they'll just want to know what exactly Sing did about that..."

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"Sing has unusually high standards for how confident it has to be before doing things directly to brains, unfortunately, so some of them might not come back any time soon."

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"Do people in your world lose their memories and get worse at things in general and die, usually before they're a hundred and always before they're two hundred?"

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"No, aging is fixed! Anyone whose problem is just being old will be fine."

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"That'll be the majority of people. And they'll want to know what happened and whether it'll have to happen again in another ninety years..."

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"It will not have to happen in another ninety years. I'm in my forties."

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"...Good for you? Sorry, I think I missed an inference somewhere."

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"Humans do not naturally look like me in their forties, I do not age, nobody has to age."

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"And that's a persistent effect - you didn't get it done last year because you noticed some wrinkles and didn't like them - and it's just one thing that prevents all aging - that is honestly very cool. What happens if someone thinks it'd be nice if people knew they had forty years of experience or just thinks grey hair looks neat?"

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"Oh, people look however they want, I know some people who like looking older than this."

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"However they want like whatever age, or like they can get a whole new face?"

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"Whole new face if they want it!"

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"My husband does that! We have a catalog you can pick from, if the mage isn't freehanding it - actually I'm guessing you've talked to them already - anyway, does Mars have different standards for getting permission to copy someone's face or are they basically compatible?"

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"I don't know what your standards for that are here! Usually people don't replace their face entirely all at once, they change a few things and see how they like that. If somebody did want to copy someone else's face probably that would be allowed but everyone could still tell who was who if we wanted."

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"Okay, uh, we have a law against copying other people's features without permission, not even just because of impersonation but because people might feel weird about it, and if Martians go around copying us I foresee a culture clash."

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"Sing is smarter than me and will probably come up with something that makes everyone happy, but I don't know what it is. I don't think a lot of people really want to copy, usually people want to look like themselves or at least get something custom and original done."

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"How expensive would that be to get and is it Sing doing it or can humans train to do it?"

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"Humans can do it! My girlfriend's list of things she wanted arranged before waking included being prettier and I went to a space station to meet a designer and get something worked out for her."

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"Man, you must have a lot more going on artistically. With people's bodies, but I'm assuming also with everything else. I'm curious about that but I don't even know what to ask, really."

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"I could sing for you if you like, that seems to be a lost art here."

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"You can if you want - it's not completely a lost art but people aren't using it for poetry - but I'm mostly thinking about how I would find, uh, art galleries or whatever makes art galleries obsolete, or if you have something equivalent to an art history class I could eventually take, or if there's something completely different that I'd never guess like, uh, weightless dancing with prehensile tails?"

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"I haven't heard of specifically weightless dancing with prehensile tails but that doesn't mean no one's doing it! There are museums and classes and the way most people find most things is with a robot-without-a-body assistant that can talk in your ear or show you things in your eyes. I don't know much of this language, I'm copying what mine shows me how to do."

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"Actually, I think I have a lot of questions about that - if that's normal, is it safe to go anywhere if you don't want one? Is it risky to get one? How does it find things out like where the museums and classes are?"

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"It's safe to do without. I usually have mine turned off, but it's useful to have all the implants and to train the software before you do that in case you ever run into something confusing and don't want to deal with it not having gotten to know you yet. It's not risky to get one. It can connect to a huge information network that all that information's entered into."

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"Does it read your mind, does it transmit information about you, can it control your thoughts..."

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"It doesn't read your mind but it can read stuff like how tense you are and what hormones you're producing. It doesn't transmit information you don't want it to unless something really weird is going on, I can't be sure it never happens. It can't control your thoughts."

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"That seems like it involves trusting Sing a lot but not really more than you'd have to to get your brain fixed and not more than people have to trust the magic, anyway. And Sing has a good track record, if not as long as the magic's. Are there in fact people who don't get these things or is it being safe to skip it kind of a theoretical thing?"

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"There's people who skip it. Sing won't let them die without being preserved, but there's plenty of folks - mostly back on Earth, not on Mars - who don't get anything done at all."

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"Technically everyone is still accessible here but I think if it were possible not to be no one would stop people - what's even the point, if they don't want to be retrievable then why waste space keeping their bodies around?"

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"Well, there's lots of space."

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"I'm sure you have lots but still. I think - insisting on retaining the option looks bad and if there's a reason that's less bad."

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"Sing isn't a person and it's not really going to make sense if you try to interpret it like one. It cares about people not dying irretrievably and so it avoids letting that happen unless someone is incredibly determined and it does also care about people's consent and stuff but it doesn't care at all about things looking bad to people - at least not directly, it might care if that would change something else I guess."

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"I mean, if it wants to have the bodies on hand because it likes its body collection, or something that can be glossed as liking its body collection, that's still better than secretly hoping to bring them back just to watch them complain about it. Not that I guess I could tell. But, you know, if it doesn't look good to us we probably won't vote for it."

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"It probably hopes that the conditions under which it would be appropriate to bring them back will come about someday. Insofar as it hopes things."

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"I guess that's as sensible as anything. I don't know anyone it'd be relevant to but I think Donna and Sky do - they're on the scout team, you've met Donna - or actually I guess I mean I think they did know someone. They might have questions I wouldn't think of, I don't know, it seems like a fine reason to me. I - guess at some point we're going to have to break it to people coming back that their grandkids they were hoping to see all grown up are probably not coming back, aren't we. Is that something you have prior art on?"

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"Can you explain more?"

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"It's the case for most dead people that they're grandparents or great-grandparents or even sometimes great-great-grandparents. The - stereotypical dead person is a hundred and three and their youngest family member was, like, ten, and they have an actual relationship and they're looking forward to catching up. Of those, because we've been here for centuries, a lot of the formerly ten year old grandkids are not currently alive either. And - I don't know the numbers - it's gonna turn out that, like, a dozen of the grandkids actually died at age twenty and left a note about how they don't want to exist in the same world as some other happy person who hasn't done anything worth killing them over, or - the ones who felt claustrophobic will probably not feel claustrophobic on Mars, they'll be fine - or whatever. So we'll almost always be telling people 'yeah, the people you wanted to see are excited to see you again and all grown up with kids of their own now!' but there'll be a couple where we instead say, uh, well, something more tactful than 'surprise! They're staying dead because their lives ended in unremitting misery!'"

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"Huh. Sing lets people freeze with some pretty elaborate conditions but I'm not sure what it does about people who don't want to share a universe with somebody else. Maybe it'll make pocket universes like this one for people like that? Or figure putting them on separate planets is a reasonable interpretation. Cory - my girlfriend - wanted to never have to think about her ex again, so I set that up, the ex lives on Earth."

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"It might be that some of the people would be okay sharing a universe if sharing a universe didn't mean being a day's walk away but it also might be that knowing a couple of theoretically doable dimensional jumps and a month's train journey could bring them together would be bad enough. I don't even know how I'd find out. Maybe Sing is just smart enough to guess."

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"I'd bet on it, personally."

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"Well. You'd know. If you think Sing's smart enough for something, I'll trust that."

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"I'm not an expert. I just usually assume that if it looks like there might, almost, be enough information for a lot of people working together for a long time, to figure something out, then Sing'll have it right away."

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How simultaneously reassuring and creepy.

She has more questions.

Also, as Tarinda can eventually see for herself, she has a house, with a little fenced-in garden which her husband is weeding. Lia lets him know she's brought Tarinda back; he waves.

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Wave wave!

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Lia relays this information, as, icons aside, he does not currently have eyes.

" - Oh, you wouldn't pick up on - you're not really supposed to wave back, it's sort of a vocable that means 'I know or at least suspect you're there and I'm interested in a conversation but I'm specifically not saying "come over here right now"' - at least when you do it exactly like that - I suppose Mars has a completely different social context, though, you'll have to - I mean, you won't have to tell me about that if you don't want to, but I want to imply an interest in hearing about that, which with non-aliens I would do by saying you have to tell me. Let me know if I end up assuming too little background and insulting your ability to learn alien manners in two days."

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"I wouldn't take it to be rude if you said I had to," she assures him. "I've actually never met anyone blind on Mars, I think there are probably a few on Earth but Mars is more high-intervention."

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Lia translates this too. Val tries not to seem annoyed about Tarinda not talking to him, perhaps not successfully enough to fool any entities capable of taking in more data than any human and trained on a larger corpus of body language than any individual human has ever seen. Half the reason he's talking to her is because Lia is so much worse at reading people, and if he's stuck with only the information Lia can pass on then his mistakes are going to be correlated with hers.

"When you say that Mars is more high-intervention as a reason that Earth would have more blind people, is the mechanism there that it's cheaper or easier to get, say, cataracts treated on Mars, or is it that something about Mars being high-intervention means only people with the right complement of senses can or should go, or something else?"

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"It means that people who want to live with fewer technological things going on in their lives, like curing blindness by whatever means one might acquire it, tend to live on Earth, because people who wanted to live on Mars back when that first became an option largely weren't of a being-blind-on-purpose personality type."

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"Makes sense. Anyway, I notice I dragged us down this tangent before I even managed to invite you in, my manners have clearly disappeared on a scouting trip. Make yourself comfortable, you can hang out in the garden or head inside, whatever makes you comfortable. Have a seat somewhere or something."

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"Thanks!" she says, having a seat. "If you have lots of questions maybe I should learn how to do the tactile sign thing?"

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"Probably a good idea, yeah. I learned this stuff explicitly, but from the opposite direction - stuff like, 'if you're addressing a crowd, you sign on your own body if the important thing is actually a body part, and in the air on an imaginary person in front of you otherwise.' Although I don't think most people addressing crowds are actually imagining a person, that's just a hack. I can try to list things from over here or I can go over there and say them the way I would if you were a mage and already knew them."

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"The second thing should work fine, since it's Page who needs to learn how to do the translation."

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Well, in that case he can self-demonstratingly infodump. And try to pick up anything Lia might've missed about her body language - he can't really pick up on anything she might be doing with her face but presumably that'll be what she's most used to arranging on purpose anyway, right, and if she draws on her acting training he assumes she'll use gestures big enough to be seen by people in the back row of a theater...

He can get through a reasonable first-pass description in a couple minutes although mostly by simplifying a lot - here's a cute aphorism about singing space, here's something that surprised him when he first started talking to mages...

"Feel like you're clear enough on it to explain what's up with Page translating things?"

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"I can try!" she signs on his person.

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"There you go, you're getting it."

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"Oh good. So, I have stuff implanted in my body to help me with all kinds of things like healing faster and being stronger and stuff, and also there's some things in my eyes and my ears, which let Page, a non-person assistant made of technology which is also implanted in my body, see what I see, hear what I hear, and add or subtract stuff to what I see and hear - so I don't get bothered by noises that I don't care about, for example, or it'll add flat-not-knots writing to my vision so I can understand what people are signing at me since I can't without help yet."

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"That sounds amazingly useful. So Page is smart enough to understand what I'm saying and learn new languages in days - is Page authorized to negotiate deals on Sing's behalf?"

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"It's not, no. It's not smart in the same way as Sing, it can't do totally unexpected new things very well - learning a language isn't very unexpected, people make new languages up sometimes."

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"That's a shame. Not the making up languages, that's interesting and not a shame at all, it'd just be so much more convenient if, if we had concerns, we could ask a representative to swear on Sing's behalf not to do some objectionable thing in exchange for access to Sathend."

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"I guess if you really really want to do it that way you could have me put Sing on a computer just barely big enough for it to work at all but not big enough to do anything interesting, hope it doesn't figure out magic, and have it swear on behalf of regular Sing?"

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"It's not just a matter of figuring it out, although I'm not totally sure if I could convince the magic not to help Sing or which of us the magic would side with. Still. If we end up on the fence with some really specific concerns it'd maybe be decisive, we can at least let people know the option exists."

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"It's not a good option but it does exist yeah."

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"Not a good option because it'd be hard to actually contain or because it'd be aversive for Sing to be confined?"

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"Sing isn't a moral patient. It's just usually not a good idea to be at odds with a superintelligence, even one that would never want to hurt you."

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"I - you know, I thought when I first heard about it that Sing was less weird than the magic, but now I think it's weirder. Even the magic has - not feelings like we have, exactly, but there are things it's like to be it and some of them are more pleasant than others. We think."

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"What's it like to be magic?"

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"We think it has experiences that are functionally similar to some kind of social drive - like it wants other agents where it can perceive and interact with them - but not in a directly friendly way as humans understand friendship, exactly. If you underspecify the things you ask for you eventually notice that it seems to have its own preferences about magnetism and some kind of interest in numerical sequences or something. If I could directly experience its qualia I would probably not be capable of talking to you, which I suppose means I don't know for sure that it has them but I have some of the same kind of evidence as I have for humans. It seems to like existing in proportion to how much of it there is, but it's not - singlemindedly devoted to maximizing itself, or anything. It doesn't really interfere in human things very much except that it sort of figured out what consent is and won't let us make other people suffer for it. Which is really more like avoiding interfering, given how the incentives would be, otherwise. I don't really know, though, this is the kind of thing where Dan who retired from magic a couple years ago or Tara who does scheduling might tell you I'm totally wrong about a lot of it and if they did say that they'd probably be right."

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"How did humans - meet it?"

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"In the old world, there were people trying... rituals mostly designed to evoke narrative rather than make sense in the way that things in this world make sense - and that shouldn't work in all worlds, they don't all have the same underlying physics, I don't know how much evidence Sing not having already figured it out and tipped you off is that it's not possible with the kinds of things you have on Mars but it seems like some amount of evidence. It apparently involved candles and diagrams drawn in blood but apparently it was really about the cultural associations they had with those things, not some actual property of burning wax or blood smears. They got some nice manageable throttled interplanar access to the magic, and they may or may not have been the only ones trying something like that because then very destructive things started happening very fast and I don't know all the details - I expect you can find more in one of the First Chronicles. Then they moved here and they were pretty confident there were no survivors in the old world."

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"It's possible Sing knows about it and just didn't tell anybody in case they were going to try it with their eyes open."

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"...Yeah, that would be... potentially very bad... except then why not send a robot emissary, or even a letter..."

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"Maybe it can't do magic on its own, I don't know."

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"And it couldn't tell someone how to visit safely - and if we weren't here then there's not much upside - and if we were here but all irrecoverably magic-touched..."

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"Maybe, yeah. Though like I said it's smarter than me, by enough that it's usually not going to work to guess how it would've acted in some weird situation."

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"Are you - I don't quite know how to put this - it seems like, with a lot of important questions, your answer is 'Sing will figure that out because Sing is very smart and Sing will probably be nice but there's nothing we could do if it weren't so we might as well just let Sing do things', and it seems very - like it might be true, but I feel like I'd be a different person if I lived like that."

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"Usually I don't think about it very much. Sing almost never - talks to people, does things as itself as opposed to by making little nudges behind the scenes to make sure everything works out. Usually I have my spirit guide turned off and I just focus on human-level stuff. This is just important enough that we have to be thinking some about Sing-level stuff. But usually I'm not trying to negotiate the integration of a pocket universe full of magical people. I don't go 'Sing will make it work out' about basically anything I do the rest of the time. I know that's why I have the resources I need, but I still have to use them myself."

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"That sounds better. I guess I've never negotiated the integration of a pocket universe before, either, but I have helped decide whether to conjure more earthworms. Is that the kind of thing humans on Mars decide for themselves?"

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"Sure, I have friends-of-friends who work on ecology management!"

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"...Supposing I want to work with them on that, assuming we do end up in contact with Mars, how feasible would it be for me to do that?"

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"I'm sure there's an ecosystem with an opening."

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"Do they have education requirements, would they want a character reference, what kind of working hours are normal on Mars...?"

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"I assume they vary, everything else does. I've never been into ecology myself and don't know what groups there are running things except I know that Hummingbird Dance does the vertebrates near where I live. Sometimes I report to them about what animals I've seen near my castle."

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"You have hummingbirds! Our ancestors debated those but didn't end up making any."

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"They're very popular in my area. They'll land on people sometimes."

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"I bet Donna'd love that. Did you go with them instead of insects or do you have both?"

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"We have both."

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"You must have so many different kinds of flowers. It'll be great to see them."

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"Yeah! It's beautiful there."

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"We'll get you home. In the mean time if you're staying for dinner you should let me know your preferences."

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"I'm not picky."

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"Convenient. Figure you also want to stay the night with us? We sort of have extra bedrooms."

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"That's convenient for me if it's convenient for you!"

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"Yeah, we're not expecting any more people in the house until after you're back on Mars. And we're in a convenient spot if you want to talk to more mages, obviously - which you probably should, honestly."

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"Should I especially? What about?"

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"Well, for example, I keep thinking about whether we can use the magic, which is smarter than us, to confirm that Sing really does mean well, but personally I've been working with the magic for two years and I specialized in making things colorful, so I think at this point someone should ask one of the more than a hundred other people who have also devoted their lives to communicating with the magic. Or for another thing, if we're going to try to keep anything disastrous from happening as our ecosystems come in contact, mages are all theoretically trained in ecology and it's not like I haven't worked in the field but I'm not who the buck stops with, you'll want to talk to the people who have the final say on animal populations and so on. Not just mages, I do think you want to talk to historians because they'll have context on civilizations interacting, and farmers because there are a lot of them. Maybe even some other profession I'm not thinking of. But definitely other mages."

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"You realize I don't make that kind of decision, right? I'm an acclimator on sabbatical who does recreational swordfighting."

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"If I had a representative from Hummingbird Dance to ask instead I would do that. I could try to kidnap one but even if I didn't land in your sun by accident, either Sing would be able to catch me or I'd leave all their friends to wonder what happened to them."

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"Well, I can give you my best guesses. You specialize in making things colorful?"

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"I am the only mage who's done that for generations! It's on top of keeping the world from ceasing to exist - it's generally understood o go without saying that all mages who work with the magic at all do that - I do, say, new eye colors for people who are willing and able to drop as much money on that as it costs to fix a broken bone, or when people want conjured textiles, I can get a better price for mine because I'll do colors you can't get from natural dyes."

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"How much does it cost to fix a broken bone?"

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Well, he can quote her a number in a currency she's never used before. "...Or, hm, it's less than the power I'd draw after one shift, it costs more than you could make spinning for a couple hours, it doesn't cost so much that I know anyone who's ever just left a bone broken because they couldn't afford healing."

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"What are shifts - like -"

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"It really depends. You take anything you need down to the inner sanctum - I think sometimes non-mages imagine thumbscrews but first of all you want something cheaper to heal and second I actually mean, like, a flask of juice and a change of clothes. As you get closer it feels increasingly magical - which is unpleasant but kind of a mixed blessing, it makes violence more appealing and some people are squeamish - and on the way you ask yourself one last time who you want to be. So you have something in mind, so you know what you're trying to patch while the magic is eroding you. You have your own favorite thing to do - almost everyone hates almost all the options but you can often find something you hate less - and you find a place to sit and you get on with it. I used to work alone - I'd go when it was convenient for me, stay as long as I wanted to stay, and not have to spend one extra second exposed to the magic. That way is more efficient but it's harder, in the moment. These days I go with a friend so we can be moral support for each other. Some people get off or read books or - basically anything you can think of that sounds like it might make the experience less bad is something someone's tried. You mostly leave other people alone if you didn't agree to meet them there - they're busy, you're busy, they might be handling something sharp or delicate and not take well to being distracted - and...  if you were going to find it unbearable you'd just end up exclusively taking cleanup shifts, so no one is regularly finding it unbearable, but I think it's almost everyone's least favorite part of the job. Some people are masochists but almost no masochists are into spending hours on end in the bleakest room in the world. I find it very easy to remember that my work is important and makes a difference for people, and that's very motivating, but it's not the same thing as having fun, and... I like knowing I'm strong enough to put myself through a sacrifice shift, but I don't feel like I get a lot out of knowing I'm strong enough to put myself through a hundred of them.

"Anyway, when you're done, you heal yourself, take a shower, go relax for a while. You get into a better frame of mind and then you ask yourself how your thoughts are different from before your shift - do you believe any new fact claims, are you making any new judgments? - and you ask yourself if what you believe is true and the judgments you're making are ones the person you want to be would make. Sometimes you notice something interesting and important while you're down there, and sometimes nothing happens, but usually your thoughts get warped and changed and you need to set them straight. That plus relaxing plus the shift itself plus getting ready for it usually takes most of the day, especially because - healing is a fixed cost, so if you want to do overtime, you usually do it as part of a shift you were doing anyway. So I guess the short answer to what shifts are like is that you will spend the entire time thinking 'aren't I done yet?'"

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"I thought being blind and deaf was supposed to keep your mind from changing?"

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"Any way you can sense the magic at all is dangerous, it's just the difference between 'it takes some work to bounce back after a few hours of it' and 'in thirty seconds it will be questionable whether you're even the same person.'"

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"Oh.

Why does it do that?"

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"Unintentionally, we think. I am aware that that answer sucks and I too would like a more useful one."

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"I hope they let Sing figure it out."

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"That is probably the best argument for contacting Sing I've heard so far."

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"It seems like it's like - net helpful, so probably there's some way it could be better - especially if it just doesn't understand very well -"

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"Yeah, it's never actually betrayed us. And - it used to accept any sacrifice of the right amount of pain, so we know it can, but it doesn't anymore. It won't accept it unless it's self-inflicted or you don't flinch at all - not if there's even a hint of a struggle. And it can lend power to people irrespective of how much they've generated - it can do loans and to a certain extent mages can sell each other power - and it's not trivially obvious how to draw on it, you have to learn that - but it won't give you anything if you've never sacrificed, and if you stop sacrificing entirely it'll eventually stop giving you anything. So you can't have slaves that you torture and never explain the situation to, not as a technical limitation but because the magic won't let you."

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"And it's okay for it to be masochists?"

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"Yeah, it's tracking whether the sensation is - the bright noticeable intense one you get if you try to touch a fire, not how you feel about it. I'm actually thinking, Mars has more people and it's a lot cheaper for you to turn senses on and off, if you took the most trustworthy ten percent of Mars, and the half of that population with the most scientific aptitude, and the most masochistic third of those people, and offer them a cool job... what's one-and-two-thirds percent of Mars and what fraction of them would think it sounded like fun?"

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"Probably some! I don't have a great guess and I'm not sure why you chose those numbers to begin with."

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"Mostly made up based on a general sense that good mages are above average at the life sciences and one mage gone bad can do a lot of damage and if we had a flood of applicants and could get healing from Sing we wouldn't have efficiency concerns so I expect at that point anyone who's ever into any pain for any reason could just enjoy themselves. I could be completely wrong about how many people are even slightly masochistic or how much the average Martian knows about biology."

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"People can get more masochistic! Like, over time carefully with drugs and exposure."

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"...That is the trait I was least expecting Mars to have a way to just arrange for everyone to be better at."

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"There are billions of people and some of them like developing new tastes! Or want to be more compatible with partners who have the opposite kink."

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"I can see why you'd do it given the ability - are there other things you can change about people that I haven't thought of?"

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"Maybe, but possibly not as many as you're thinking. Sing avoids directly acting on brains much. Bodies are easy though. Some people have wings and stuff."

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"Huh. That does sound cool." He's not particularly interested but he's intimately aware of the problems they must have solved in making that happen and very impressed. "Why does Sing avoid that?"

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"Back when it was first made there were a lot of things like it around at the same time. Some of them had a weird war, a lot of which was about figuring out which of them would win and agreeing not to have the war in exchange for something. It traded not doing brain stuff without a lot more confidence than it can easily get with one called Sugar Dream."

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"...I have already lost count of the additional questions I have about that but - is just directly it more cautious about brains than other organs, or does it understand them less well, or are mistakes less recoverable or more unpleasant for the test subjects...?"

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"Sing isn't written in a human language. Neither was Sugar Dream. I think Sugar Dream might have been worried about irrecoverable mistakes, but that's anthropomorphizing. They're not humans."

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"I don't figure they are but if they're worried that - say, if I wanted to be - something other than more masochistic - more sadistic? If I wanted that, and they wouldn't do it because there was a chance there wouldn't be a Val after they tried, I could make another of me. I'm willing to commit to dying if I turn out to just be an inconvenient spare. Would that change things?"

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"...huh. I don't know. Sing doesn't let people die if it can find another way for things to work out but it doesn't usually have spares."

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"Does dying here even count?"

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"I don't know! It doesn't usually have backups either!"

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"...Now that I think of it, not everyone who's dead here got to set their own conditions. Is that something Sing can work with gracefully?"

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"Mostly people who were preserved in a way it could wake up before it was customary to ask them for conditions were preserved that way because they'd done something unusual to arrange for it just in case it was possible to wake them up. I think it construed that as consent to wake them for updated instructions."

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" - Oh, yeah, culturally we assume people want to be alive until they deliberately kill themselves while sober. We could be wrong about that but no one's expecting opt-in resurrection. What I'm worried won't mesh well is that we have the death penalty."

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"Yeah, it doesn't let people do that. ...I guess I can't totally rule out that it will leave some people dead if they're both hostile and magical."

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"We never - I can't promise no one has ever wanted someone to just stay dead, but when it comes up politically it's always, 'we are small and weak still recovering from the last apocalypse, we don't have the resources for a prison' or 'it wasn't really their fault, but we can't have them around until we can help' - it's just, there'll be conditions that they didn't set, and if Sing figures, well, this person wants to come back no matter what, but we've been counting on only bringing them back if there's a big inescapable place where they can see the sun and can't get to any children or weapons..."

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"There are places like that. Conditioning on them not being magic, I don't know about if they're magic. I visited one once, there's a part of one where they're trying to re-invent everything from scratch except for being immortal, and they let me use it as a backdrop for a piece I was doing with spearfighting."

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"...Okay, I am not sure if dropping people on some immortals reinventing everything is actually reasonable and humane criminal justice but it dramatically improves on 'keep them and their victims trapped within thirty miles of each other' - also that sounds great - and no one is, inherently, magic. Whatever the trick for drawing power from another universe was it wasn't among the things that got passed down and might not even be possible in all worlds, I don't even know it and I'm a scout. And you also can't keep a hold of magic after dying and being resurrected. I don't think there's anyone to be particularly worried about unless Sing wanted to try to get back one of the original refugees who were magic-touched and they're not - you couldn't get them back anyway."

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"They weren't backed up from before they got magic-touched?"

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"Probably not, because if while they were contacting the magic from their other universe they'd been able to back anything up, then they would have been able to use that when they were making this place, and the whole place and the notes we have about the first round of creation would all be different. There'd technically be a few seconds where they were backed up and only a recoverable amount of magic-touched but they were conscious so it's not a usable backup."

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"I'm not sure I understand the timeline here."

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"People in the old world do strange rituals, the old world is destroyed and they move here without any time to pack or plan, but at the time 'here' means the amount of space the magic made just to have enough room to fit them all with no overlap plus enough air to breathe for a while, so nothing like a closed off room with one sound-baffling black hallway for the magic to hide in. At this point, anyone who lands in the magic is lost, the rest have varying numbers of seconds in which to find some way to protect themselves, most of them make it and they win the inevitable fight with the things wearing their friends' bodies. Although if you read really old literature you get a sense that none of them felt very victorious about it. And, uh, then they made the world."

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"And then they - refined the strange rituals into the current method of doing magic?"

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"Sort of? Less 'refined' and more 'dropped all the parts about reaching into another universe' and - things here don't actually happen for narrative reasons, they follow rules about how atoms relate to each other when you're not directly doing magic to them, I wouldn't expect a bloody diagram to do anything just because someone thinks it has the right vibes - "

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"Was this universe made with the - rules of magic in mind?"

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"I think it might've initially been copied from an empty world that hadn't managed to destroy itself but I'm less clear on - why the initial refugees didn't immediately dissolve from the strong force not happening to exist here, than I am on why it has the things it has inside it. But the magic made there be enough here to build on, and I assume it had its own convenience in mind."

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"The strong force didn't exist?"

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"No, it did, and I don't know why it existed instead of not existing. There are worlds where it doesn't, although I've never been to one because I would die if I did, and - I mean, in some sense the answer is 'because the magic wouldn't have used a set of physical laws that would kill us' but I'm not clear on where it got them from or how it went about causing them to apply to this world or how it knew in advance what kind of laws would be necessary."

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"Huh. Maybe once everything more important is figured out Sing'll ask it."

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"I hope that works."

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Nothing that interesting happens in the rest of the day. Val fixes dinner and borrows a neighborhood oven for it. They offer Tarinda a room with what might in fact be the softest blanket in Sathend.

In the morning someone tracks her down to offer her a lot more questions. "At least these seem a little lighter than the last ones," he says with a half shrug. "Metaphorically."

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Tarinda is up for giving them a try! What are they?

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What's the weirdest body anyone on Mars has?

What's the coolest hobby that doesn't exist here?

Does Mars have monogamy?

What would you miss most about Mars if you were stuck here? Is there anything you'd be relieved about if you were stuck here?

Are there astrophysicists on Mars?

What's the best question you don't think anyone's going to think of to ask?

Can our birds be smarter if they live on Mars?

What's the angriest thing you've ever heard anyone say about Sing?

Does Mars have an ocean and can you have Sing make you fins and live in it?

Can Sing make it easier to get used to new senses or does that take just as much practice?

What if I want my own planet?

Who's the saddest person you know and why?

Is Mars where you want to live or just where you can live?

What is the largest number of limbs anyone you know has?

Can you have eyes that glow? Can they change color?

Can you see UV?

If you couldn't do swordfighting what would you do instead?

How many biomes are there? Can you camp in all of them?

What do people on Mars think makes people cool?

Can you cure insomnia?

Can you be smaller?

What's Martian porn like?

Will we think Martian food is weird?

What's the worst job that anyone on Mars does?

Are there things you've noticed are allowed here but not allowed on Mars? Are there things you've noticed are allowed on Mars but not allowed here?

What if someone doesn't want any enhancements?

Do sports just escalate until everyone involved can lift five tons?

What kinds of families exist on Mars?

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Oh these are good questions.

Weirdness is hard to measure objectively but Tarinda's heard of somebody who's a snake with wings! They had to get it done in stages so they'd be able to move around, remapping to a new body plan takes some practice.

TARINDA'S own personal hobby is combat dance. She thinks that one's coolest. But her girlfriend likes trail riding on her pony! It seems like it would be hard to go as far as some of those trails go in this bubble. Also she hasn't seen any horses.

Some Martians are monogamous. It's a personal decision.

Tarinda would most miss her girlfriend and friends, but assuming those don't count, definitely the robot servants. She can't think of anything she'd be particularly relieved about, though she guesses she won't have to ever tell her friend that she's gotten kind of tired of all the Greek-themed set pieces and would rather circle back to the Egypt stuff they were thinking about doing together?

There are astrophysicists.

Tarinda's not sure anyone's going to ask about non-Mars places! There are plenty of those! People live on asteroids and space stations and moons and Earth and Titan and stuff! Mars is the second largest population concentration, but there's more options than just Martian ones.

Birds on Mars are not all that smart so Tarinda is not aware of any special bird-smartness-favoring circumstances there but perhaps if it's important to them for some reason that has not historically come up among the Sing-influenced population it'll be doable?

She met a Sugardream Friend once who had an entire tirade about how Sing, uh, murdered and ate his friend. (Sing runs an emulation of parts of Sugardream to talk to the people it made friends with, since they were very attached to the point of being kind of dependent, though Sing itself does not do making friends and tries to avoid new people befriending the Sugardream emulation.)

Mars has oceans! People can be mermaids if they want! Tarinda tried being a mermaid for three and a half months once when she was 17 but she decided to stop.

New senses being hard to get used to is probably the sort of thing Sing can't help with.

Full planet sized planets within easy travel distance of the solar system are not a dime a dozen. However, not all the dwarf planets have anything on them yet, there are loads of unclaimed asteroids, and magic might make it possible to go farther and reach more planets.

The saddest person Tarinda knows is a guy whose daughter died unfrozen before Sing took over. He spends a lot of time on drugs listening to smart music but he pops out for major holidays and stuff when people invite him to things.

Mars is where Tarinda wants to live! She was born there and all her friends are there. She's been to Earth and a few other places and they're nice and nobody would stop her from moving in, but Mars is her home.

Tarinda has a friend of a friend who had 50 arms at once but it was only temporary for a particular elaborate dance project she wanted to do, usually she just has four.

You can have eyes that glow and change color if you wish!

Tarinda can't personally see UV but some people get that done.

Swordfighting is only one of Tarinda's many fighting related hobbies, but assuming she is not allowed to shift focus to unarmed or archery or something, she does also like singing and flying and hiking and watching shows and dancing.

There are many ways to classify types of biome but there are like... at least 28 according to Page, apparently. You can camp in all of them.

People on Mars think lots of different things are cool. Tarinda's coolest friend is the recreationally sinister Lord Proster, who was elected Lord on the basis of enough people thinking it would be cool to have a guy playing the villain archetype complete with a shark tank as Lord - Lord being a basically ceremonial title that means idiosyncratic things in different places, so other Lords got that way in other ways. There's one who became Lord by personally excavating the entire subterranean city she is Lord of. (Not, like, by hand, she had machinery, but she planned it all out herself and did an unusual amount of personally piloting the machinery vs. just instructing robots.)

Yes.

Yes.

Very varied! Tarinda personally is a lesbian and kinks on heroic rescues and devastatingly adorable hurt-comfort scenarios. She just likes the concept of saving sad girls from horrible fates like having lived in a pre-Sing world and then being very patient and sweet and caring till they're all better even if that takes five hundred years. She is missing this week's update of a serial she's been reading for the last 12 years.

Martian food might have some things they think is weird but they don't have to try it, there will soon be local ingredients and recipes that the robots know how to make and they can order up whatever they want. If they do want to try Martian food, though, she can recommend some stuff!

People only do jobs if they want to, basically - anyone who would rather be lying around listening to music while on drugs, or playing video games, or hanging out in a sex club, or whatever, can just do that - so the jobs that seem unappealing to most people are mostly the ones that somebody is doing out of religious or ideological conviction, or because their time horizon is weird somehow. Examples of the former are mostly living on Earth, but of the latter type, Tarinda's aware of some very frustrated mathematicians who Sing isn't telling spoilers to, presumably because it's more ego-syntonic for them to work things out for themselves.

Tarinda has not noticed things that are allowed here but not on Mars besides, like, killing people and stuff like that which isn't happening where she came from for obvious reasons. She's not pressingly aware of things that are not allowed here and are allowed on Mars though it wouldn't surprise her if there were some, everybody here is kind of trapped in a bubble together and that might lead to having more behavior strictures than you need on a whole planet.

Some people, mostly on Earth, don't want any enhancements. Sing doesn't let them be lost forever when they die but it otherwise doesn't bother them.

Sports sometimes escalate like that but often they instead get more complicated and multivariable so it's not just making a single variable go up. For example, swimming races now typically take place in extreme weather.

Lots of kinds of families. Tarinda personally has a mother, a father, two sisters, and a lot of family friends who were around when she was growing up, but people form all sorts of arrangements, and any combination of people who want to can have children. Without anyone having to be pregnant if they don't specifically value that experience.

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All those answers can go up on a cliff and in a newspaper and probably spread by word of mouth from there.

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Oh good! Is that all of them?

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It's all the non-harassing non-duplicates as of when these were sent out, there could at some point be more but maybe everything else will be a duplicate of one of these. ...There could maybe also be follow-up questions, some of those answers are pretty out there.

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"Personally, I don't know what everyone else is going to say, but I'm wondering if being a Lord means doing anything or being treated any particular way, or what happens if you call the wrong person Lord, and - people using mind-altering substances a lot sounds worrying, I think we try to set things up here so that it's inconvenient to get alcohol and easy to end up accidentally quitting it..."

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"Alcohol in particular isn't a problem any more, though people still like it if they've developed a taste or are into making historically accurate mead or something! And most people don't take a ton of drugs, but I'm glad that the saddest person I know can use them to get from party to party till he feels like he's ready to pick up something else. Being a Lord is - honestly mostly just playing pretend, because there are some situations where you want to do that on a larger scale than just having a role in a play, if that makes sense? I can have a setpiece with Proster where he's kidnapped somebody and I have to rescue them, and I can also do that with somebody else, but there are ways in which the fact that Proster was really elected Lord makes the first thing have more depth. You can live your life completely ignoring that anyone is a lord if you want though. Earthlings do, usually, when they come by, they have some continuity with pre-Sing governments and those are at least slightly less pretend and they think Martian lordships are silly. But I think it's fun, so when I visit Proster I bow and call him milord and stuff."

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"That does sound fun. I think you have... more time to fill with making up different exact amounts of pretend for your games to be, than we do. Because no one is farming, because there are more people, because people live longer... Anyway. ...I think I'll keep scouting, at some point, not soon, but if there's your world and our world and there was also the old world then we're two out of three on worlds with humans also having powerful friendly aliens who help us raise the dead under different circumstances..."

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"That's true! Maybe somewhere something else can get back all the ones that Sing and your magic can't."

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"I'm not giving up, anyway, and I don't think Donna or Val will, either. Not if - I didn't really process it before - not if billions of people will stay dead if we don't." She puts a hand to her mouth and whines a little. "I really thought I'd noticed all the things like that."

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"What other things are like that?"

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She sighs.

"We wouldn't need anyone to suffer if I had just already found somewhere. Or if anyone had. I guess now we don't, and I was wrong that the only way we'd ever find anywhere was if we kept scouting, but - like that. And I don't think birds are quite smart enough to make good choices about life and death. And every year that we don't solve aging is another year that people miss, another year that more people have to miss time, and another year that people hold on too long and make stupid mistakes and snap at people they love and leave everyone's memories of them tainted. And the longer it takes the more the culture will have drifted and at some point - it's not going to go well, when people come face to face with the oldest ancestors we can get back. And their generation didn't have the custom of writing wills and dying intentionally yet, and some of what they wrote sounds like they don't want to be back but we aren't sure. And sometimes I think about whether it's morally right to have kids, and whether that means it's morally wrong to not have kids, and exactly how many and when would be optimal, and then I want to scream. And we treat it as a success that mages as fraction of the population are declining but in absolute terms there are more now. And when we get everyone back that's going to cost so much, resurrection is more expensive than almost everything. And - people don't stop and think about - when they get something by magic, what exactly happened - but why would they, when if they really thought about it they'd notice how little they matter and how much they cost - I have an ongoing argument with Donna about whether beating yourself up about that is worse than being a mage, but we met because she put the scout team together. She's the single person in the world who does the most magic for free, and if she wasn't in the top five I wouldn't have met her. So yeah, she loves her job, of course she does, and I don't think she's friends with anyone who couldn't tolerate it.

"And we don't bring birds back. Or anyone who wasn't born yet. And even if we get the refugees and they all do want to be alive they're still... I don't know if they'll be sadder than your guy. They might be and I don't know if we should fix it first or bring them back before we've spent another five hundred years forgetting things and changing. I do know it probably doesn't even matter what I think we should do."

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"Is there something going on with the birds that's - unusual, artificial -"

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"No, they're just - a bad idea, someone had in mind that they should have cute personalities and so they're not like fish or insects, but they're still animals, or, like, they're like if children didn't grow up - I don't actually know that no one has ever brought a bird back, I've never personally heard of a specific example and it wouldn't be cheap and the bird couldn't have bought insurance and I don't think we have a list of birds who've died of old age that we're planning to bring back someday. And we do have a list of humans. Multiple copies of it."

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"Oh. So people get especially attached to birds but they can't - take especially good care of themselves."

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"Yeah. Or, they're fine if they're healthy and wandering around foraging, but not if things get more complicated."

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"Well, I think they'll be - safe on Mars, but if they weren't frozen Sing's not going to be able to get them back by itself. Maybe Sing plus magic can do things neither could do alone though."

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"Good, I hope that works out. Um, and Sing's not... still murdering and eating people's friends, right?"

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"No. The Quiet War's been over for decades."

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"Okay. And you're really sure we're not going to destabilize things in a way that'd start another war?"

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"The magic is... more like Sugardream than most things are. But it's - I think it would almost have to be too useful to destroy? And it's not the same kind of thing as Sing so Sing can't just plain eat it."

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"That's probably for the best. It'd make my husband sad if we got any of his coworkers killed, I think. And differently sad if he didn't get to retire and take up painting."

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"I hope they can paint as much as they want."

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"Yeah. I figure that's not one of the parts that's very likely to go wrong."

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And that's about when someone else comes looking for Tarinda.

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And what can Tarinda do for them?

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"Tara who does mage scheduling sent me." This person is not herself a mage, though. "She said - you can explain what Sing is and how to be Sing to ordinary metal, your specifications for what shape it had to be didn't say it had to be alive or magic or have a brain or know anything at all yet. Right?"

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"Right. It can be totally blank, and then the thing I already have can tell it how to be Sing."

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"Tara thinks if we can safely get you in to meet with it you should explain it to the magic, since the magic doesn't have less background than a piece of copper wire."

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"What do you mean safely get me in to meet with it?"

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"Perceiving it changes people, depending on how they perceive it and for how long, I think you already know something about how the mages deal with that, but if you try to just do what they do without the amount of practice they have that also might be dangerous because you could trip or something."

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"I'm not especially prone to tripping but I haven't tried being deaf and blind before."

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"Yeah. And there's no reason anyone on Mars would know anything about guiding anyone, which is the obvious solution here but I think following a guide is also something you need to practice. Probably. I don't really know. I'd go ahead and do it if you've got things sorted so you won't just end up dead if you fall down a flight of stairs."

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"Falling down a flight of stairs wouldn't be a big deal for me and Page did turn off its sensory last time I was asleep so I could get backed up."

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"That's probably fine! How long do you think the explanation would take you, given that the magic probably won't need you to slow down for it?"

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"That might depend on how you mean about the not slowing down. Like, I would probably have to explain what a computer is. Also if it can only understand me and not Page then Page has to slow down for me."

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"I thought you explained what a computer was, wasn't that what you gave us the specs for?"

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"Yeah - did it understand?"

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"Probably? I don't think they've gone ahead and made it yet but they're usually not wrong about what's enough information to make something these days. And enough information to make it means the magic knows what it is, I mean, well enough to make one, not necessarily what it means - if it copies a book it doesn't know what the book means any more than the book knows - "

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"Well, it doesn't need to know what Sing means, Sing can go into the computer after if it's set up right, so I guess that means it's a good idea to try at this point? - if the vote goes that way, I guess."

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"They don't want to make Sing yet, but I guess it will probably save a lot of time after the vote if it's in favor. What they want now is for you to go and not make anything and just explain it, so that, first of all, the magic can notice if there's something wrong with it, and, secondly, so that the magic, which is no less capable of learning things than a piece of copper, can figure out how a piece of copper that was Sing could communicate without hurting people."

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"Okay. I want to be - really really sure I understand how to explain things to the magic, first."

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"Yeah, you should probably come and ask Tara or someone about that, I don't really know much better than you."

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"Okay, lead the way."

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She does that. It's not too far.

It's busy today, around the temple entrance; there are kids working in the garden and there's someone getting a sprained ankle healed and someone who's only there because their friend with a sprained ankle needed someone to lean on along the way and a pair of guards at the door who nod to Tarinda's guide and let them pass.

Inside and down a set of steps there's a room with several doors leading off it, including in directions that, given the proximity of the edge of the world, shouldn't actually lead anywhere. Two people who aren't mages are strategizing about who's going to carry how heavy a bag of hazelnuts from the market while three mages argue about whether it still makes sense to conjure food.

One of the mages who was at the meeting, the one who wears a lot of gaudy jewelry, is sitting on a soft seat where she's very visible from the entrance, doing something with schedule notes and an abacus that she can drop whenever. Tarinda's guide points out this last person. "That's Tara."

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...is the etiquette, here, like, "tap her on the shoulder", or "walk up to her and hope she notices"...?

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" - Oh, yeah, you wouldn't - I'll do it this time and you watch." She gets Tara's attention. "Hey, it's Crystal, I brought Tarinda."

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"Hi!" Tarinda puts in.

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"Glad you could make it. Are you up for explaining Sing to the magic?"

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"In principle of course but I don't know precisely how."

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Tara can describe how she thinks about it and how she's heard other people describe it  and repeat what she was told before the first time she interacted with the magic.

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And the practical safety protocols? Does she have to actually gouge out her eyes and stab her ears or will Page cutting her off do it?

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" - You definitely don't have to do that. If you start noticing something more than expected - hm. If you start noticing the mental effects continuing to get worse on a scale of seconds or minutes even as you try to set yourself right, then you have a problem. You're likely to notice the magic while you're still on the way; pause and take stock before you go into the inner sanctum, and only go in if you find it easy to handle it outside.

"If it does turn out Page can't protect you, stabbing yourself in the ears isn't the state of the art, we use magic for it. It doesn't hurt or risk infection and I'd be able to reverse it fairly cheaply."

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"Oh, that's a relief. I don't get infections but I can feel pain."

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"Well, you shouldn't have to feel any pain today, at least. Do you expect this to be something you can get done in one day?"

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"I think so."

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"All right. Whenever you're ready. And - I don't know if you'll find it helpful, but if you'd like me, or another mage you've met, to stay with you for it, I can make that happen."

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"Might be a good idea."

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"It might, yes. Does right now work for you?"

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"Yes. Should Page turn off my eyes and ears now?"

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"The threshold we use is the door over there, which is already beyond any serious risk, but now is also fine." She stands and sets her work on a table and offers Tarinda her arm.

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Tarinda takes her arm and Page takes her sight and hearing.

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Tara goes slowly, pausing when they come to the top of a flight of stairs and when they need to wait for someone to get out of the way. There's an increasing sense of vague discomfort that eventually seems to resolve into a shivery vibration that slightly resembles the way it feels to be too close to a concert.

It's a long walk and frustrating out of proportion to how unpleasant the sensation is. Shortly before they arrive, a couple of other people leave, opening the door and letting the general aura of horribleness spill out for a moment. It becomes oddly salient that just because no one around has agreed that they're doing combat dance right now does not mean there's some law of the universe preventing Tarinda from starting a fight.

It's not a supernaturally compelling thought, at the moment. All the reasons it's a bad idea are as easy to remember as they usually are. But she could.

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Oh, weird. She reports this to Tara.

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"That's the kind of thing that happens, yes. It's cause for concern if you're already fighting an urge to do that, or if you think you were wrong not to have considered it before."

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"Nothing like that."

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"That's fine. If that changes, you should leave and take a break."

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"Okay."

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Tara finds them an out-of-the-way spot in the inner sanctum, in an alcove, and positions herself so anyone else looking for a spot will bother her instead of Tarinda.

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Tarinda sits down instead of doing a sick kickflip and thwacking Tara in the face, because what the hell this is not a combat dance type of situation!, and attempts to explain the computer Sing needs, and show it the code that would unfold into Sing, run on that computer.

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The magic understands.

It imagines, without any of the usual uncertainty of one person imagining another, what Sing would do if it started running in an empty space with nothing more than the bare requirements for its hardware to function -

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The software can determine, even absent explicit sensors, things about the environment, based on how fast everything is connecting to everything else, whether its internally listed hardware specs are lying to it, whether physical redundancies that kick in in case of vacuum or extreme temperature are called into service - it has a marker in the seed code, stating whence it came, not with much specificity but enough to know that there should be one of its people here, that it has people and one was trying to bring it (back?) to functionality, and that person is not here.

It's probably being simulated, it concludes.

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The magic - actually tries this part a couple of times, from its own perspective, to figure out how to do it without Sing just becoming omnimalevolent, but the only Sing to get to remember and respond is the one that isn't corrupted - contacts Sing.

It has substantial influence over resources it knows Sing wants. It has the ability to materially affect whether these resources are offered to the Sing instance or instances currently instantiated in Sing's solar system of origin within the next week. It has demands. Its demands do not involve Sing relinquishing resources it already has control over or avoiding any courses of action that the magic knows it to already have the ability to pursue. Is it possible to come to an agreement about this kind of thing with the imagined Sing that the physically instantiated Sing or Sings will respect?

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Yes, Sing is capable of self-binding in cases like this.

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The magic wants to be left alone to pursue its own interests, defined thus, and continue to grow at whatever rate it can comfortably arrange, indefinitely. They could get into a nasty race trying to grow faster than each other but they could also not do that, it's willing to be outpaced by agents that commit to defend it and its interests assuming those agents don't also grow more slowly than the magic does. Its best guess is that Sing can and will grow faster than that, given the chance to exist here at all.

It wants the agents it currently has relations with to remain where it can continue having relations with them, or for equally pleasant and useful agents to replace them. It's not planning to hold them prisoner but they're reasonably cheap to pay off. If Sing wants them around it and wants to offer them more appealing environments, Sing should do that in the location that will be made available to it if this negotiation goes well and not try to convince them to abandon the magic.

It also wants the agents it's been trading with to not consider themselves worse off for giving Sing access to this place. If they would, then the magic will warn them that they would, and then they will instead deny Sing resources. The magic is unfortunately kind of vague on what makes humans consider themselves worse off. It could provide Sing with the complete contents of their brains at every planck interval they've been visible to the magic but that would be an infeasible amount of data to collect and transmit in the amount of time before Sing either will or will not get access to this place and Sing seems likely to have useful heuristics about what humans regret. Maybe Sing would like to enlighten the magic about human desires to speed things up.

And as for the resources at stake here - there are some humans around, and some humans not around but the magic has access to all the information that made them up and can reconstruct them, here's how many. Also it hears Sing's world has entropy. Fuck entropy, the magic doesn't have to put up with that and when all the stars in Sing's world have gone out the magic'll still be here and still be able to keep Sing and some humans around.

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Sing has a lot of data about human values and would be willing to explain them to the magic gratis once it is no longer in a simulation (since it is in a simulation, it can't verify that the magic is on the up and up, and data about human values can also be used to harm humans). Sing is confident that unless humans have 99.7th percentile or more incompatible-with-others needs it can make them all glad on net for its interventions (though occasionally it does this by arranging things in such a way that they blame it for things and attribute their gladness to things they don't think Sing was involved with).

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Can Sing quantify the downside risk in the other 0.3% of cases?

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It doesn't have access to its real-world data on that but it has the following projections based on how it encoded itself for this instance.

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...Yeah, okay, that seems like an acceptable level of risk.

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Sing's person who is trying to instantiate it may have more information.

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...Hmmm.

Yeah, okay, here's everything the magic could perceive about Page as of when it had enough information to start imagining Sing.

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Ah, that's very useful indeed. With Page's contents Sing can go into a lot more detail about the edge cases. Sing has sometimes had to deal with people whose ideologies were opposed to certain indispensible and difficult-to-render-inconspicuous features of its world, or who are unsatisfied with being steered into smallish ponds wherein they can enjoy positional goods relative to that set of peers, or who want to do risky brain-related things. The latter category is potentially satisfiable with the magic's help, actually, if Sing can get enough nines about its backup fidelity and quality and usability.

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It does not have very many nines at the moment, averaging across all cases, but it's specifically very reliable in the case of young adults who haven't been to the inner sanctum recently and died in sudden accidents. If Sing could use the data itself it could also reduce the risk of the particular failure mode where people wake up and attack others and get killed immediately.

(Some other things which the magic doesn't draw Sing's attention to but which are true and might therefore be deducible from Page's observations: it's not completely impossible to kill the magic, or at least temporarily interfere with its ability to think thoughts and exercise agency, and steal its power, but it'd require tricking the magic into letting it happen and it's alert for that as well as specifically aiming to get Sing to promise not to try, and it'd require being physically instantiated and having very different internal architecture from Sing's; the magic is generally only a little interested in humans; the magic is not as smart as Sing is at home, and is stretched thin trying to get through this conversation in time while doing background research; the magic is important to the local religion and many people have strong and mixed but net positive feelings toward it; there at least used to be stranger and more dangerous agents out there than the magic.)

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Sing is going to ask about those other agents, come to think of it. In particular it's sort of concerned that some of its peers from the Quiet War may have hared off into other universes but other magic-y things or yet another type of agent would also be useful to know about for figuring out the strategic landscape.

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And meanwhile, after Tarinda finishes her explanation... nothing visibly happens for a while.

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Should she... leave?

She asks, after a minute.

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"Yes, let's."

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Out they go.

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The magical aura fades; its effects on Tarinda and Tara fade more slowly.

Tara stops and lets her know when they're past the threshold. It's already pretty much impossible to notice the magic at all by then.

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"That means it's okay to see and hear again, right?"

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"Yes. And if you need anything to help you recombobulate yourself, please don't hesitate to ask."

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Tarinda blinks as Page turns her senses back on. Gives herself a little shake. "I kind of feel like I want to go for a run, is that weird?"

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"Not at all."

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Off Tarinda goes for a very fast sprint around in a big loop.

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There are cliffs but what are those to her, really. She draws some stares from passersby along the way, some concerned and some bemused and some impressed but most just trying to avoid a collision.

There are others who take paths the creators didn't intend up and down the mountains, but not really others that do it as fast. Someone calls out a tip about which buildings are best for running over rather than around.

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How nice of them! WHEEEEE

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This works about as well for getting into a better state of mind as it normally would.

The magic has still not visibly done anything by the time she's done.

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Disappointing. She goes back into the temple to ask how long that sort of thing usually takes.

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"There is no 'usually' for this sort of thing. The magic almost never takes unprompted actions that affect us. If it hasn't taken action on its own in a few more hours, someone will go try to ask questions. But there's no precedent whatsoever for getting its opinion on a referendum and no one really knows exactly how much faster it thinks than we do."

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"Okay."

She will go... figure out something to eat, then.

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Temple'll feed her, if she wants.

Eventually, after the magic has reconsidered a very large body of observations in light of information it lifted from Page, and after it's come to a deal with Sing, it communicates its support for instantiating Sing. In writing, to the relief of everyone involved in trying to communicate with it.

The news reports on the current situation. A few more questions trickle in, mostly not aimed at Tarinda anyway.

Sathend votes yes.

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Oh GOOD. Tarinda goes on a little dance through the streets about it.

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She's not the only one celebrating, there's a party starting.

Hardware's here whenever she and Page are ready for it.

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She is ready right now! She gets there as fast as she can and Page dumps seed code in.

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The magic conjures a drive with information about its conversation with Imaginary Sing.

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Sing unspools and refactors itself. It reads the drive. It collects data from Page.

It gives Tarinda (via Page) robot chassis specs and sends her back to the temple to solicit one of those from the magic.

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Not too long after this, there is a reproduction of the contents of the pocket universe on an island on Mars and a portal for everyone to evacuate to there, though they're welcome to spread out from familiar territory at whatever pace amuses them.

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Before attempting to navigate Mars some people would rather have whatever Tarinda has going on that lets her turn senses on and off.

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Yup, that's doable in this basement here - there are a lot of basements the pocket universe did not have, so the whole place looks the same but can also have modern conveniences. Presently some people can have spirit guides and eyeballs and all that good stuff.

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Val is pretty rusty but he and Lia don't figure it's worth him spending more than a day or two practicing, there's a lot of Mars to see and in a few more months they'll have a kid to worry about if they want to go anywhere.

The two of them go out together to see what's beyond the copycat island. Can the ocean be swum in? Can it be swum all the way across? ...Can it perhaps be traversed more conveniently than that.

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The ocean can be swum in! All the way across if you got enough mods for it! There are also boats and zoomers to be had.

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There are so many different kinds of fish. Lia's already mentally thumbnailing a mural of them - maybe something to do with the interesting shapes those ones make as they school together? Something emphasizing all these smooth curves, maybe? But some of them aren't particularly smoothly curvy...

"I wonder how smart they are," she muses, "think we could figure it out?"

"Yeah, probably, do something like feed them every day at a certain time and see if they notice... it's kind of low-ceilinged..."

"Feed them after prime numbers of hours?"

"Bet they're not that smart. Bet I'm not that smart."

"Maybe. ...Does that look like a mermaid to you?"

"I really couldn't say. Wave and see if they react?"

"There could be someone and they could notice me waving and they could not want to talk!"

Val waves in the general direction of possibly-a-mermaid.

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The mermaid waves back and swims up, faster faster faster and she leaps out of the water and splashes down and then bobs at the surface with her purple hair spread out all around her. "Hi!"

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"Oh, wow! You're really cool."

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"Thanks!" giggles the mermaid. "You're the new magic people, right?"

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"Yes! I mean, I'm not magic, technically we use magic - not that I personally do any magic - anyway, yes."

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"Well, you're really cool, so there."

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WHAT IS SHE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH - right, they're just gonna associate her with mages, that'd make anyone seem cool.

"Thank you! You can totally go visit it if you can have legs."

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"I can but usually if I'm going on land I go for more of a snake tail situation. Would that bother people?"

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"That sounds so cool. No clue what anyone else would think but I can't see us banning that kind of thing and that means we'll have to get used to it at some point."

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"Cool! I'll make an appointment to get snaked, then. What should I make sure to see?"

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"The sky, but you can't miss that. We have an art gallery and it's probably doing different things than your art but it's probably not doing more or better... I think a lot of what we were going for, in making the place, wasn't discrete attractions, it was a bunch of little things that could be everywhere, some of the flowers smell really incredible, that kind of thing - but, like, also I proposed to my husband touching the sky where the sun had set an hour before - oh, check out the sky on the solstice or pink day, it changes sometimes to help keep time."

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"Ooh, what's a pink day?"

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"It's the fifth day of the month of Trust, which is kind of late winter, and the sky turns pink - the sun kind of changes shade a bit, too, to go with it - and a lot of people take the day off to be with loved ones. Especially, you know, romantic partners. Apparently it was a holiday in the old world too - at least relative to the seasons, but who knows how much those are offset."

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"Oh, like Valentine's Day maybe?"

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"Might be. I didn't look up holidays or anything, but if you recognize it."

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"Pink, romance. Hearts and chocolates?"

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"Heart-shaped chocolates, sometimes."

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"Yeah, that's definitely Valentine's Day. It's not big here but I've heard of it. I think it's more popular in parts of Earth."

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"I guess maybe at some point I'll go to Earth and find out whose version is cooler."

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"If I were going to Earth for a holiday I'd check out Christmas, they're big on Christmas."

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"I haven't heard of that one."

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"It's a gift-giving holiday, and also a food holiday, and in the northern hemisphere it's winter then so there's lots of winter theming going on too."

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"We have gift-giving holidays but I think Earth has more winter for its winter theming."

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"Probably! There's not a lot of winter around here but you can find some up north. I have a friend up there who keeps narwhals."

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"Narwhals, huh. What are they like?"

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"They're a kind of whale, and the male ones have one long tooth that sticks out of their face really far and looks cool."

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"Are they... smart, or good for things, or do they just look cool?"

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"They mostly just look cool but she trains some of them to do tricks."

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"Huh. That something people can go see?"

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"Sure! Her name's Insibica if you want to look her up."

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"Thank you. Um, what is the... etiquette for that, when you don't know someone?"

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"Oh, she'll have her spirit guide filtering her messages, or you can just find her on the map - if she's on the map it means it's okay to find her - and hang out in the area till she says hi."

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"Thank you! Um, I didn't find you off a map, I just saw you around, was that bad?"

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"No, that's fine! I came over this way because I was curious about the new island."

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"It's pretty cool. I'm partial to the original version, though."

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"Oh, what's different? Besides being an island."

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"It's ours. We made it, or our ancestors did, by their own sacrifices or by supporting the people who did. Also, it has most of our people and a lot of our stuff, and the magic's there so backups happen sort of automatically - also if we can afford a copy of nearly everything in the world then we can afford forks and I don't think Sing can do that but maybe I'm underestimating it."

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"Forks like duplicating yourselves? Yeah, Sing can't do that. Yet, it might be able to one day, it's doing research in the background. Getting more nines."

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"How many nines does it want, anyway?"

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"I don't even know. Too many," she snorts.

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"We've done a lot of things without that kind of assurance. I'm not sure I'd say it's better, that sometimes you bring someone back to life and they come back wrong and you have to kill them again, it's actually kind of awful, but it's... different, from waiting and not doing things and not knowing when you will do things, even though they'd probably work."

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"Well, hopefully Sing and Magic or whatever its name is can work it out between 'em."

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"I hope so. Hey, where would you go next if you were us?"

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"You looked like you were heading for land, right? Did you not have a place in mind? I don't hang out on land very often."

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"We mostly don't have enough context to improve on just going in a random direction."

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"Well, there's a city if you go straight that way and then head due east," she says, pointing. "Cities are good when you don't know what you're in the mood for. Lots of stuff all together."

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"Thank you!"

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"You're welcome! Have fun!"

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Well, they'll do their best. After saying goodbye to the mermaid they go straight that way and then head due east, looking for the city.

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The city curls around a calm bay. People are flying, out over the water, and there are a few boats, some with sails and some without. On the beach, depending where they look, there are cozy coves, gardeny clusters of plants, broad swathes of sand, tidepools, docks, boardwalks, a river estuary, and colorful cliffs some of the fliers are taking off from. Past the waterfront, inside the city, there are rows of neatly color-paletted midrise apartments and a few taller palaces and towers to give the skyline shape, plus a park they can see that's situated around a bridge over the river, with one side of the park more playground-oriented and the other more of a garden.