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Sad Cam talks to Ancora
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Ancorabenilisifentiliane is making a door.  They don't really want to be making a door, which would under other circumstances defeat the purpose, but none of the things they do want to be doing are at all available, so: door.  It's made of a dark, polished wood, and its frame is in stone with sharply delicate metalwork accenting the sides.

It is beautiful.  It is useless.

The frame stands out in the open, without any walls, in a forest that is even more beautiful and even more useless.  Its artist has just finished carving an elaborate design onto the front of one of the stones of the frame; they swing open the door to access the next face.

- That doesn't look useless at all.

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It does not! It looks very non-useless!

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And occupied!

"- hi."

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'. . . Hello.'

They step through and close the door behind them.

They're - a person, tall, wearing a fancy jacket and half a ballgown, cut out in the front to show off shiny pants and knee-high boots.  Their mouth doesn't move when they speak.

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"Uh, welcome to Milliways. - it's not mine or anything, I got here same as you."

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'Whose is it?'

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"The bar is sapient but she calls whoever controls the door and other stuff 'the Landlords'."

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'Are the Landlords around to be met?'

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"It does not seem so."

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They start walking around and looking at things.

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There is a window beyond which stars are exploding brightly. The bar itself, unstaffed and with no drinks on the shelves beyond. Stairs. A hallway, leading most proximately to a bathroom. Booths and tables with benches and chairs respectively.

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They occasionally run their fingertips over one thing or another; after a few minutes they approach the bar.  'Is there a purpose to this place?'

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I'm not aware of an overarching goal, but I serve drinks - first one is free - and sell objects to patrons.

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They make an inscrutable sort of gesture before correcting it to a nod.

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Can I interest you in a beverage?

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'You can.'

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Here is a glass of something black with white foam.

"So what's your name, I'm Cam," says Cam.

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'Ancorabenilisifentiliane.'  They take a sip.  'It is nice to meet the two of you.'

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"Ancora- sorry, I didn't catch all of that -"

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'Ben-i-lis-i-fen-til-i-a-ne.'

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He writes it down this time. "Nice to meet you."

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Sip.  'What are you; humans can't have wings by themselves and you are not one of mine.'

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"We're called demons. I used to be a human, though, and I could put wings on a human."

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'One of mine could put wings on a human who wasn't mine as well, but then that human would be mine, a little.  Who made demons?'

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"It's not clear anyone did. What are you exactly?"

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'An artist.'

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"I meant like your species."

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'Yes.'

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"...you're a species called artists?"

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'Yes.  Why do you think this would not be so.'

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"I'm used to art being a variable talent within species."

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They don't react to that for a moment, their hair drifting slightly in a nonexistent breeze.

'Artists make and are made of art.  I met creative humans but there are none of them in our realm to need a collective name for.'

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"How are you made of art?"

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'Humans are sustained by food and drink and grow stronger by exercise and practice; artists are sustained by their projects and grow stronger when reality is in line with their visions.'

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"...huh. What kind of projects do you do?"

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'Myself alone or the species entirely?'

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"...both."

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'Most artists do woodworking, masonry, metalsmithing, weaving, embroidery, pottery, gardening, implementing natural design, and things in that vein.  I have undertaken those projects as well of late but do not prefer to.  Previously I made a magic system.'

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"- you can do that?"

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'If I could I would not be making doors.  But perhaps someday, again, and perhaps sooner than I thought, now that I am no longer trapped with only other artists.'

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"- can you tell me about how you made a magic system?"

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'I selected some humans who seemed amenable and with their input decided how it should function.  There were several minor missteps in the implementation but it seemed like the project would be immensely successful until one of them killed the other five.'  They take a sip of their drink.  'This was not in accord with my vision.'

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"Sounds like the sort of thing you don't want your art project doing, yeah. What's the magic system like?"

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'People who are mine can drink others' blood and have both parties gain magic.  People who are not already mine can use their gains to gradually become so, or for their own uses.  Magic allows people to make temporary or permanent improvements to themselves or others, generally, or do instant effects on living things.  The first interaction with magic a person has gains them a soul.'

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"When you say someone is 'yours' and mention 'souls' what is it that you mean?"

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'Unaltered humans are made up of only physical matter, and die when that matter is disrupted.  Interacting with magic gives them a hook of sorts, which things might catch on.'  Sip.  'I will eventually be able to retrieve the five.  But not any of the billion who would have received one and did not.'

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"Oh. Can't make a new magic system that has resurrection built in?"

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'In the event that somebody else has gone there and spread their own version, I would be able to use those for my purposes.  But not if there is nothing left of the person but atoms.'

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"What about people who weren't made of atoms to begin with?"

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'Those are accessible.'

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"There're about a million dead ones in the world I just came through and I really want them to be alive again."

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'Oh.

'I am very weak at present.'

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"And you need to - do more art? To be stronger?"

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'Yes.'

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"Can I help with that in any way? - I can make arbitrary material objects and that includes media from the worlds I'm familiar with if that's the kind of thing that's useful to you."

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Their voice remains as expressionless as ever but gold and silver glitter starts gently falling around them.  It fails to accumulate on any surfaces.  'I would read any books you cared to provide.'  The glitter stalls in the air for a moment before resuming its descent.  'Consuming media is not a project but inspiration is useful.'

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"A lot of stuff isn't books but images or sound. Sometimes moving images with sound."

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'I would also see paintings and hear music, yes.'

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"Theater? Sculpture? Dance? Do you know how computers work?"

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'Those three as well.  I do not know of computers.'  They adjust their hair with a breeze which fails to affect the glitter.  'Of the listed artforms, only sculpture exists in the artist realm.'

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"May I show you my favorite aerial ballet or would you rather start with something more familiar?"

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'I encountered the others when I travelled to Earth, but my conspecifics were uninterested in them when I returned.'

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"- does that mean you would or wouldn't like to see more?"

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'I would very much like to see works in the forms of art which I have been cut off from for a century.  And the descendants of those forms.'

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Cam gets permission from Bar, makes a TV on the wall above the fireplace, and puts on Atriama.

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'What is that,' they say when he turns on the TV.

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"It's a television screen, it plays recordings of moving images. With sound." The overture starts up; the principals dance introductorily through their leitmotifs.

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They watch in complete stillness for several minutes.

'This is very abstract,' they eventually comment.

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"It has a plot," Cam assures them. "Though I don't know how accessible it will be from your perspective. I can explain what's happening as we go if you like."

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'Do.'

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So Cam explains the plot of Atriama.

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'Are there supposed to be people represented here.'

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"...yes..." He pauses, gets up, traces Atriama's balletic outline with his finger. "That's Atriama. It's a flat image, maybe your vision doesn't work well with flat images - no, you said you paint?"

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'I see rectangles, in three colors.'

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"...do you do mosaics?"

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'Yes.'

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"Does it help to think of it as a moving representative mosaic?"

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'Artists do not generally make representative art, excepting myself.  Human mosaics were.'  They pause for a long moment.  'Human mosaics had larger and more-self-consistent color blocks.'

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"Yes, with the color blocks much smaller and more changeable this actually looks to human eyesight a lot like being present in the location of the camera. Look -" He makes a camera, takes a picture of Milliways, displays it.

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They stare.

'Do humans exert effort to see things like this.'

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"No, not particularly. I guess some of it might be cultural but a human who grows up around photography doesn't need to actually work on it consciously."

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'I will experiment.'

They continue staring, blinking once every few seconds for a minute or so and then several times rapidly.  'Oh.  I see the forms of objects now.  The colors are supposed to match reality also?'

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"With some allowances for equipment, yes."

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Blinking, blinking . . .  'Start the aerial ballet from its beginning.'

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He skips back to the overture.

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'This is much more comprehensible.'

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"Oh good."

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They sit through the rest of it fine.  Their body stays completely still and their face completely emotionless, but sometimes ambient effects happen around them; the glitter rain makes a reappearance, occasionally short ribbons of color dash into and out of existence, and during two of the most impactful moments the air surrounding them goes frigid.

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It's a couple hours long. Cam looks at them sort of hopefully at the end.

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They gaze back impassively.

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"Was that - helpful, or anything -"

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'Consuming media is not a project.'

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"...yeah, I guess not. Is there actually a way I can help?"

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'I may not know what sorts of projects I want to do, or can be done, until I have consumed substantial amounts of media, however.  This was not possible when I visited Earth.'  They gesture at the TV with a swirl of sparkles.

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"What year was it there?"

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'Before the turn of the twentieth century, but near to it.'

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"Yeah, movies hadn't taken off then, and didn't get sound till a while after they were already popular in silent form. Also humans tend not to have wings so you don't see them doing aerial ballet but that's separate."

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'Are small immediate gains more important than foundational work, here.'

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"...there's a million dead Maiar, about."

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"I don't know what that implies for - time horizons or whether you're willing to help at all."

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'I intend to grow in power regardless.  Once there is enough of me I will have the ability to work on this in parallel with more central projects.'

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"Okay. Would you like to - see more, or have me teach you to use a computer so you can browse on your own -"

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'If you think that's wise.'

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"I can keep recommending things instead but I don't know if my taste is likely to correspond to what will - inspire you."

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'Your first choice was unlike anything I have encountered before.  I do not think I absorbed very much of it.'

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"...do you want more recommendations, or just the Library of Hell and a computer tutorial to browse it?"

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'I would like to watch the same thing again.'

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Cam rewinds Atriama. "There are also other productions of the same," he mentions.

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They nod a beat or two later than would be a usual response for a human.

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"...do you want to see a different one or this same one again?"

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'The same one.'

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Cam falls silent. Makes himself dinner while it plays again.

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They're less motionless on this watch; they request that he replay certain moments of choreography frequently enough that possibly he will want to teach them how to do that themself - there's a few bits they watch a dozen times over.  With those, they get up and start mirroring the dancers.  Apparently they're capable of shifting forms, although at first it's hard to tell; they don't grow or appear wings so much as make it seem plausible that they'd had them all along in a way that one just failed to notice.  This extends to their clothing as well; their boots - if they were ever wearing boots - get traded in for more dance-appropriate shoes and bits of their coat and skirt appear smaller so as to stay out of the way of their movement, or flare out to accentuate a spin.  Somehow they never hit the ceiling or floor even when it definitely seems like they should.

They also ask a lot of questions, mostly about what's fiction versus reality, but also the plot in general, whether things are foreshadowing, details about the music theory and what instruments are being used, and how the lighting works.

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Fortunately, Cam really likes Atriama and can get into all the fine details for quite a while, though he has to look up details about how this production was orchestrated and lit.

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'Another production?'

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Cam puts on another very different staging.

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They refrain from commenting till half an hour in.  'I dislike this.'

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"...would you like to switch to a third one, or keep watching it for, uh, background, or do you mean you've determined you dislike Atriama in general?"

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'I would like to switch to a third one.'

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Cam switches. There are many productions of Atriama in the history of Hell. It's even been put on by fairies once, with costume wings and particularly elaborate choreography, and angels, twice.

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They ask for a few instruments once it occurs to them to do so and add quietly playing along to their methods of active consumption.  They pick up the appropriate harmonies and counterpoints for whatever they're playing rather than sticking to the melody, and make some mistakes in so doing but not very many.

From their reactions to various versions, Cam can determine that their aesthetics tend toward the gothic and elegant, though it's not exclusively that; they seem to quite like some flavors of gaudiness but have no tolerance for anything resembling garishness.  Synths and electric instruments and ones they haven't heard before particularly fascinate them, if the number of questions they ask about those is any indication.

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Cam provides instruments, and looks up facts about instruments, and chooses grandly elaborate productions over kitchen-sink slapdash costumery. He drinks coffee in quantity.

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'I would like to learn how to use a computer now,' they state after maybe a day and a half.

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Cam sets them up with the nicest non-brain-surgery computer on the market and walks them through its use.

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They have a bit of trouble with the interface at first but pick things up readily enough once that's overcome.

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And Cam can produce the Library of Hell on servers in the Milliways backyard, if they wish.

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They wish.

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All the works of everyone in six worlds are at their fingertips.

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They appreciate this!  Immensely!  It's even possible to tell this by their body language and facial expressions a bit; they start trying to copy those too after a few more days of exposure.  They don't quite manage to do it while concentrating on absolutely anything else, but attempts are made, and they're happy-seeming ones.

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Cam remains on hand to troubleshoot as needed (and make sure they don't wander off into unfriendly time dilation).

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There are occasional questions - it turns out they can't see cartoons very well, although 3D animation is substantially better even at similar levels of stylization; it seems to have a lot to do with the level of shading detail (and indeed, they don't have an issue with the painted backgrounds when they watch the earliest animated films, just the simpler moving characters) - but in general they're fairly content to sort through everything on their own.

They play their instruments and dance, both with variable numbers of limbs, and eventually think to ask whether Cam wants to join in.

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"I can't dance but I do play violin."

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'Why can you not dance?'

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"Too clumsy. The wings and tail help but I still fall if I break into a run or dance."

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They consider that for a moment.

'This is fixable.'

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"- really? Uh, I don't want to - spend down resources you could otherwise direct toward resurrecting Maiar -"

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'Not yet.  If you were mine you could do it yourself, and this would contribute, not detract.'  A smile, which they hold for a beat and then immediately drop in order to resume speaking.  'It is better when more people can do more things.'

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"What exactly are the features of being 'yours', the phrasing isn't - neutral, as I currently understand it..."

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'If I instead call them 'vampires' will this cause you to become distracted by etymology again.'

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"...a bit, yes."

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'How so.'

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"Traditionally in fiction about vampires they drink blood, may or may not be evil, have various vulnerabilities and drawbacks that would bother me more than the inability to dance, sometimes have psychic powers and connections which ethically concern me..."

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'Yes, mine are modeled after those.  I read about them and they were the most perfectly-aesthetic thing I had ever heard of, so I made them real.  Though I did not see fit to include the evil or the vulnerabilities.  There are some psychic powers available but I avoided unethical ones there as well.'

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"What ethical psychic powers do they have?"

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'They can decide how much to care about people and model them better than they would otherwise be able to.  And make them fall unconscious; it was decided it would be better for people to have the option in a situation where they might otherwise kill someone.'

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"...model them better how?"

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'It helps one understand how others work as people and predict how they'll react to different situations.  Its fidelity is not very high.'

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"Understand and predict them by what mechanism?"

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'I don't understand the question.'

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"- I probably shouldn't be a vampire anyway because it's very important that I be a demon and I'm not sure they'd interact constructively, so maybe it doesn't matter for my purposes."

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'I do not think it is very different, but if you think it better to refrain then of course proceeding would be unhelpful regardless.'

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"It would be very bad if it interfered with something about my demon-related characteristics. Even if it helped you bring back the Maiar, I'm using demonic conjuration to bring back dead Elves and I'm only halfway done."

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'I see.  What are Elves.'

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"They're a species of people that lives in the world I came through. They look sort of like humans but taller and prettier."

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'How can you resurrect them with conjuration.  Might it expand to humans from the world I encountered.'

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"No, sorry, it's a special Elf feature. They have backups."

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'It is more urgent to me to obtain souls for people who will otherwise be lost than to resurrect people who are dead but without chance of getting worse.'

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"That's understandable. I just can't leave the resurrections half-done, it could take them a long time to find somebody else to finish them up."

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'I am informing you of my priorities, not attempting to dictate yours.'

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Cam nods. "If you're able to help with the Maiar would their - characteristics change in any way -"

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'Not inherently, I do not expect.  If any of them did it might help scale the operation, but bringing them into the project as active participants when they are not aligned with it is worse than leaving them out.  But it would have to be a different system in any case; vampires were designed around physical beings.'

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"Okay. I don't know if any of them would be - aligned in the right way. I'm not sure what that means exactly."

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'Having similar aesthetics and goals, or acting as if they do.'

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"I don't know any of the dead ones at all. Or the living ones well. There's probably stuff in the library about some of them, if that helps."

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'I would not expect it to at this stage and would expect it to at a later one.'

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"Can you tell me more about the stages there?"

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'For now, I will continue consuming media and working on small-scale projects.  Once I have grown strong enough, I will have the capability to teleport to my Earth, and shall do so.  There, I will begin work on ensouling people, and enlist people who are already contributing to help.  This will cause me to become more powerful substantially faster, and once I can divide my attention between multiple bodies, I will return here in one and begin preliminary work on resurrecting your Maiar while others continue there, including determining whether it will be more efficient for me to resurrect them all or construct a system they can work within to do it themselves.'

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"- thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, do you have a time estimate - or need anything else from me -"

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'You also have been very helpful thus far; I appreciate this likewise.  My estimate for the first stage is not less than several days and not more than several months.  I expect it would be very likely to valuably help if you came with me to my Earth; the risk of another misunderstanding of the magnitude that returned me to my realm of origin the first time concerns me.'  They emulate a head-tilt.  'Although I suppose I also don't know that you yourself won't go on to murder.  I certainly did not predict such conduct from any of the six before it happened.'

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"It... takes exceptional circumstances. But I'm nervous about leaving Milliways before I'm done resurrecting all the Elves."

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'I am nervous about leaving, making a mistake, being forced back, and not being able to help you from there either.  I think you should be as well, although of course how you weigh these concerns is your choice.  What takes exceptional circumstances.'

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"Getting me to murder people takes exceptional circumstances. What kind of mistake do you mean? Forced back where?"

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'Back to my realm of origin; if I am weakened enough I cannot subsist outside of it.  This is what happened previously; I am not eager to repeat it.  It seems likely there are many sorts of mistakes, which I do not expect I can predict, that could lead to this outcome.'

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"I'm not sure how having me along would make that less likely."

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'You're psychologically closer to human, yet in a sufficiently different context that I would hope that if I made a mistake, it would be of a different sort than I would make with them.  It would be my hope that perhaps one side could catch the other, in that event.'  They pause.  'But perhaps consuming enough of their media will gain me more competence there.'

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"I find a lot of what you say hard to - contextualize," Cam remarks.

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"By which I mean I don't really know what you're getting at and would appreciate it if you rephrased it, or gave examples, or something."

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'For example?'

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"...in this case I still don't know how having me along would help anything. I don't feel clear on what we'd be doing or how it would be better with my assistance."

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It takes them a while to formulate a response, and they speak slowly once they do.

 

'I have told you what I want to be done on my Earth, in some amount of detail, and will have time to elaborate on and clarify that before it is possible for me to return there.  There is some chance that I will have conveyed it poorly, and some chance that you conveyed yourself poorly to me and are going to murder people or otherwise intentionally take actions to weaken me.

'With the people I will be speaking to on my Earth, there will also be these chances.  I will have less time to explain things and get to know them in, as well.  It is my intuition that, if I go alone, I am taking the full weight of each chance separately.  It is also my intuition that if you came, and helped to explain things, that I would have to make the same mistake twice in order to make one at all, because you and the other person would have an additional opportunity to notice if the other was misunderstanding or malicious.'

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"I know that you want to give people souls so they can be resurrected and that your powers somehow work by means of doing art. I don't actually know what that looks like on a - project management level. If you need me to... translate Japanese, book hotel rooms, pawn things for cash, act as your agent in art galleries, construct a museum on the Moon, source materials out of which to create blackout poetry, teach myself IRB proposal lingo and get legal permission to turn people into vampires... I can probably do most of those things but the last one sounds really hard? But I don't know what kinds of things you would make mistakes while trying to do."

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'I do not know what almost any of those things are.'

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"And I do not know what the things you would need me to do instead are."

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'I think I also do not know these,' they admit.

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"One thing we could do, if you're willing to wait, is I could get some people from New Valinor to hold the door for me, spend a few months getting the rest of the Elf resurrections done, lightleap back to Valinor to deal with war dead and make sure people know where my summoner is, and then come back."

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'I do not think I am very willing to wait while there are people irretrievably dying.

 

'Also my picture of your situation and its logistics is unclear and I don't understand how many of the terms you use fit into it.'

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"It's a long story. I should at some point tell it to you anyway, I guess."

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'That seems likely to be helpful.'

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"Demons can be summoned. Usually we are summoned to an Earth, which is probably similar in some respects to the one you know, and under some magical restrictions that prevent us from doing whatever we want without human oversight. In a - freak accident, I was summoned to Arda, instead. Without any bindings on. They were in the middle of a war with an evil god. Anything I need to clarify so far -"

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'What is a war.  Expand on 'evil god'.'

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"A war is a large-scale armed conflict. The evil god was a Vala, I don't know if you've come across anything about Valar poking through the library. They're magical entities, poorly defined powers, and there are fifteen, one of whom likes torturing people a lot."

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'I see.'

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"So, I got summoned by a child belonging to a host of Elves who were planning to travel to the planet on which the evil god was conducting his war and fight him, and since if my summoner dies or dismisses me I vanish back to Hell I went and made the summoner kid and his family and some people to keep them company a safe planet in the middle of nowhere where nobody else knew the location to wait out the conflict, and once I'd determined to my satisfaction that they weren't making up how evil the god was I helped with the war, material support mostly. Any of that need clarifying -"

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'No.'

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"Valar, Maiar, Elves, and orcs who are an Elf offshoot species, can all make binding oaths, which means that if they say out loud in the correct phrasing they will do something then they have to and can no longer choose otherwise. Melkor, the evil god, and his associate evil Maiar, could spoof this by making illusory sound, which doesn't count as speaking aloud for this purpose. But a friendly Maia, Melian queen of Doriath, enabled me to test that I can conjure for all and only recordings of spoken words by a particular speaker. Which allowed me to verify that oaths were actually made, for purposes of negotiating anything we wanted the other side held to."

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"Eventually he offered - everything we wanted, a complete stop to all the torture and all the war for him and all his Maiar and the orcs too, an excruciatingly detailed oath about it -

- if I went to Valinor where the other fourteen Valar lived and put a black hole in it."

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They don't respond at all for several seconds, and then, abruptly -

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- it's awfully cold in here.

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'I had thought you were speaking of a hypothetical.'

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Cam shakes his head.

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They're silent, cold, and still for a long moment.

 

 

 

'You want them back, still.'

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"I didn't want to kill them in the first place! I turned him down the first time he suggested it before we knew I'd be able to resurrect at least the Elves!"

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Cam buries his face in his hands and waits it out.

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This only causes it to escalate, apparently.

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Bar has security, she said, they'd show up if this were dangerous and most things aren't in fact dangerous to Cam. He waits more. Starts crying, eventually.

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The intensity starts to taper slightly, and shortly afterwards they glide out into the backyard.

 

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Cam flops miserably on Bar for a bit. Eventually makes a pint of ice cream and borrows a spoon and goes through it.

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They don't come back inside during that time.

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They're probably not going to want to help any more but waiting in the bar is still his best bet for meeting someone else who will. When the ice cream's gone he picks up his violin, plays through his repertoire.

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It takes a few hours for them to open the door a crack.

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Cam pauses mid-note.

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It does not open more than that.

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"I'm sorry," he tries.

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'That is very clear.'

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"I'm immortal, if you want to go do something else I can - wait for someone else who can get the Maiar back, here, no time's passing in Arda while I'm here."

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He sets his violin down. Sits on the couch in front of the fire.

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'I apologize for the cold.  I had forgotten that physical people are vulnerable to it.'

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"I'm not, actually - I mean, I felt it but it couldn't hurt me any."

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'But you did feel it.'

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"Yeah. It's fine."

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They come inside - walking, not floating - but keep their distance.

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"Is there - anything I should clarify, or -"

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'I did not at all understand your comment about time not passing.'

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"According to Bar while someone is in Milliways, usually time doesn't pass where they came from. I checked to make sure that was true of Arda, and it is, it's paused. I'm not keeping anybody waiting, looking here for somebody who can get the Maiar back."

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''Looking here for somebody'.'

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"- yeah, that's what I'm doing here, I'm - seeing who comes through, trying to find someone who can bring back the people I can't - and you're the only promising one so far but it's only been a few weeks -"

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'But I am a promising one.'  A small breeze picks up around their feet, noticeable only in how it catches their skirt.

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"You can invent entire new magic systems, that seems like it'd probably work."

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'Yes.'

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"So - anything you need that doesn't risk abandoning the resurrections in the middle, I'll help you out, if I can, if - you still want me to."

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'I do, yes.'

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"Thank you."

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They . . . attempt a facial expression.

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"I'm not really sure what you're trying to communicate."

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'It's mutual.'

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"I just - I don't want anyone to be dead and I especially don't want anyone to be dead because I killed them."

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'That is not the aspect about which I am confused.'

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"What is?"

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They puzzle.

 

'You're . . . upset.'

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"...yes."

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'You're more upset than you were initially.'

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"I'm always upset about it. I'm usually - compartmentalizing a little so I can do other things but bringing it up directly brings it tor the surface more."

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The breeze continues to dance around their feet.

 

 

'By my understanding, humans cry and cringe when they are very upset.  You did not start with those until well after it was already brought up.'

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"- it also seemed possible you were upset enough to not help with the Maiar, which would have been bad."

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Headtilt.  Unheadtilt.

'Why.'

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"...why would that be bad?"

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'Why did it seem possible I was upset enough to not help with the Maiar.'

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"You were... reacting very strongly, and I find you confusing in general, and it's in range for what I'd expect of a human, that they wouldn't want to work on anything with me after finding out I holed a planet."

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'I apologize again for the cold.'

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"The cold itself was fine, I'm indestructible."

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'What is the not-'itself' which was not fine.'

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"Just - being scared that I'd lost a chance to get them back. That I'd wait and wait and every time it'd turn out like that, that as soon as somebody has the full story they'll - go, and not help me fix it."

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'But then it would not be fixed.'

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"- well, yes, but. I'm not sure that would be everyone's overriding priority. If they still believed me about what I was trying to do at all. And - I'll get it fixed, somehow, I'll stay here as long as I have to."

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'How could someone self-consistently be upset enough at you doing that they then don't want to fix it.  Either it is worth being upset over or not; if it isn't then there's no sense in being mad at you and if it is then it needs fixing.'

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"If they decided I'm generically untrustworthy," he suggests.

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'I will do research, and if it transpires that you have misled me about important facts about the situation, then I will not help you with the objective you were attempting to mislead me into,' they determine.  'Unless it is also important.'

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"That's entirely appropriate. Thank you."

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' - If a world's time is paused while one of its members is here, then my priority upon getting a multiversal teleport should be to bring someone back here, instead of attempting to operate there immediately.'

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"I'm not from Arda and I'm pausing it, but if you can do that it sounds promising. You could also try opening the door and see if you can reach your Earth, if that's where you have in mind?"

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They try the door.  Outside it: a pretty forest.  They close the door.

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"Where's that?"

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'It is where I was before I was here.'

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"With the other artists?"

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'Yes.'

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"Do you think any of them would help?"

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'No.'  They're quicker on this response than usual.

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"...why not?"

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'They are all - very narrow, in their interests and abilities.'

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"I see. What makes you different?"

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'My progenitor dabbled in broader projects and one of them, left idle, was successful enough to create me.'

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"- oh, huh, so you're some sort of second-generation artist?"

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'I'm not sure what you mean by that.'

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"You were made as, yourself, an art project. It wasn't obvious to me where artists normally come from, maybe that's typical."

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'I wasn't the project; I resulted from its success, as is the standard method of reproduction for my species.  I expect my efforts here to result in at least one new artist, unless things go poorly again.  And I likely have fewer generations above me than almost any artist my age, but certainly not as little as two.'

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"So you - sort of bud off when your parent makes enough art?"

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'Enough successful art.  Which is why they're all so narrow.'

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"What makes art successful? How does that make them narrow?"

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'Successful art matches with its artist's vision and intentions.  If those intentions cover only very specific and carefully-chosen criteria, they are generally acknowledged to be more achievable.'

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"...huh. And the characteristics of the art affect the budded-off artist."

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'Correct.'

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"That's an interesting way for a species to work."

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'It is a terrible way for a species to work.  None of them even were interested in music, when I returned with the concept.'

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"Well, most species do evolve over time."

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'Is that so.'

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"Most of the species I'm familiar with. Admittedly not most of the species who are people that I'm familiar with."

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'I hope they are pointed in better directions, then.'

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"...Elves seem lovely."

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'What direction are Elves pointed in.'

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"I'm not actually sure what you mean by that. They're - prosocial immortal artistic folks."

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'What traits is their population acquiring more of over time at the expense of ones they are losing over time.'

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"The being immortal means they may not be evolving in the same way. And they were created to begin with. I'm not sure there are coherent directions most evolved species are aimed at, except in retrospect."

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'Artists are also immortal.'

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"I had guessed but it's good to know."

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They walk over to the electric guitar Cam made them and sling it on.

'What is it that you were playing before.'

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"Most recently? Uh, Beethoven's ninth sonata for violin."

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They look at Cam's violin, and at Cam, and back at the violin.

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"Do you want me to play it again."

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'I do.'

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Cam rewinds his sheet music and takes up his violin and begins Beethoven's ninth violin sonata from the beginning.

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They noodle quiet improvised accompaniments.

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At the end of the sonata, Cam asks, "What's next for you?"

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'I will continue to create more art and expand my reserves of magic.'

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"Okay. Let me know if you need anything. Or, uh, want to introduce me to art-offspring."

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'I do not think any of those are likely to make an appearance any time soon.'

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"That's probably good, they'd complicate matters. - did making vampires produce any?"

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'No.  The project was still in progress when interrupted.'

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"- condolences, if those are appropriate."

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'I consider them to be.'

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"Does having an audience help? I'm up for looking at whatever you're working on."

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'I do not believe it to be directly beneficial but you may look regardless.'  They keep at playing the guitar with two hands and have at any given moment the number required to operate their computer on top of that.

There are paintings, a few dozen of them, in various stages of completeness.  The medium and relatively-finished ones look a lot like those produced by incarnates at similar stages, but the early ones are completely different; they don't seem to have a concept of sketching at all, or if they do they don't use it here.  Their subject matter is exclusively representative and exclusively of non-nature subjects: lots of architecture, especially cathedrals and castles; lots of people, all of them very elegant and frequently wearing high-fashion sorts of getups; there's a realistically-rendered 16-frame animation of one production's Atriama doing what might be original choreography.

There are instrumental compositions, also variously fleshed out, some very short but fully orchestrated, others much longer but with portions of only melody or only chords blocked in for long stretches at a time.  They have recordings of the practice sessions they've done but aren't inclined to show those off, especially since they have largely occurred with Cam in range to hear them.  Every piece with more than two parts has a mix of synths and electric instruments with more classical ones.

And then there are four files with CGI models in them.  The first three aren't anything much, just basic shapes and one abandoned attempt at a donut, but the last is a ridiculously-detailed filigree panel, forming swirling leaf shapes at a distance and more inorganic crystalline ones up close.  It looks meticulously hand-modeled rather than autogenerated.

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"Ooh, I like that," Cam says of the filigree, "and the implications about your learning curve here are really interesting."

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Glitter rain.  'What are the implications.'

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"You seem to have more - startling jumps in your technical competence than a... I don't have a good collective noun for the kinds of person that aren't your species, and 'non-artist' makes it sound like they don't make art at all... Uh, hm, I saw a slideshow once of every twentieth drawing, bar none, doodles included, by a particularly well regarded angel artist, and maybe that would give you an idea of how it's typical to develop over time, if you feel like it. But your first three projects here look like anybody else's first three projects, getting familiar with the interface, and then this is really fancy."

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'I tried things alone at first, then began to follow a video tutorial but disliked the suggested subject matter.  So I read the descriptions for each of the interface options and treated the work as a creation I was committed to and did not discard it at the first frustration.  This is unusual?'

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"Yes. Even someone who reads all the documentation will tend to need practice to get a good result, and practice usually takes the form of several inferior final drafts."

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'I am already practiced at sculpture.'

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"But not at computer modeling. It's not something I'm criticizing, it's just noticeably different."

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'How could that be construed as criticism.'

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"Uh, I'm not actually sure but usually when I spend this long picking apart exactly why I made some remark on somebody's skills or achievements it's because they interpreted it that way."

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'I wonder if, if you made a physical version of this, it would expand my reserves of magic farther than modeling it did alone.'

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"I can do that if you tell me dimensions and material."

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'I would like it in silver, sized to fit on the exterior of the lid of a harpsichord.  And a harpsichord.'

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Here is the harpsichord made to order.

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Smile, unsmile.  'I can hold more.'

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"What does that mean?"

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'My magic reserves are larger than before you created that.'

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"Oh, good, happy to help."

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'I will model more things now.'

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"Enjoy."

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They take off the guitar, seat themself at the harpsichord, and get to it.

When they approach Cam again, they have kind of a lot of requests, including frames to put some of their paintings in, instrument cases and stands and new instruments proper, a collection of figurines, and more large furniture pieces than might be strictly wise to attempt to fit in the bar.

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Cam can fill all these orders but some of them he will fill out back.

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'I expect to have the teleport shortly.'

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"Whereupon you're planning on going back to the Earth with the vampires?"

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'Briefly, yes.'

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"Do you still want to - workshop the possibility of me coming along -"

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'I did not think that would be necessary if I am only bringing someone back to pause the time?'

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"Okay, cool, that simplifies matters."

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'I have - very little idea of what it will be like there.  Some, from descriptions of your Earth, but I do not know how much to expect that to hold, especially since for all I know time could have been passing at different rates between there and the artist realm.  But I have some rather cursory information about people who are particularly aligned with the project.  You may be better positioned than I to evaluate which of them I should invite here.'

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"What's your cursory information?"

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'I can tell who has the greatest reserves of raw magic at any given time and of late it has largely been one particular person.  I can tell there is one person who used the first magic they got to save seven lives in one night.  I can tell there is an inventor with interesting aesthetics.  I can tell there is a person who - '

It's frigid again for half a second before they catch themself, and then it's raining around them instead.  It shifts to snow over the course of a few seconds, though Cam still can't feel any cold from it.

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"...you okay?"

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'Someone has made birds who are people.'

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"...is... that bad? Could go either way..."

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'I believe it to be good in general, but - ' they play a motif from Atriama.

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"...the birds don't last after they die?"

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The snow gradually lets up.  'No one there lasts after they die yet; they are simply eventually retrievable or not.  It is not an emergency but I had not connected the implications until now.'  It's no longer snowing at all.  'Please refrain from making any eggs.'

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"I won't."

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They nod.

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"The person who saved seven lives sounds promising. Do you know anything else or is what you told me all the information I have to work with? Do you have their names, for example, I could use that to conjure for more."

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'I have more information but nothing especially concrete or conveyable.  I could paint them.'

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"That might or might not be enough for conjuration to go on."

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They start on that, and eventually present four files to Cam.  They're less realistic than most of their other work, and the backgrounds are very abstract but very detailed - in places more so than the portraits proper.

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"These two look, uh, young," says Cam, indicating the middle two. "Which are they?"

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'The lifesaving one and the inventor.'

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"The lifesaving one could be an adult, if a young looking one, the inventor probably can't..." He tries conjuring. "...unfortunately, it looks like I can't conjure for things relating to the subject of a painting."

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'Magic can affect aging.'

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"Do you know how old they are?"

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'No.'

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"Do you know how long ago they became vampires? - these people are all vampires?"

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'The first one isn't.  I can order the other three chronologically but do not have much more detail than that.'

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"Why don't you?"

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'Artists have not as a species invented timekeeping.'

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"Can you tell me some things that were going on at the time you turned them into vampires - newly released music, say - and some things that were going on when you left Earth?"

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'I did not turn any of these people into vampires and I receive minimal information only about the projects people with magic are themselves working on.'

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"They were turned later by other people? Okay. Uh, I'm going to see if Bar can narrow down who they are -"

She can't. With a few more creative failures at learning more Cam eventually says probably the young-adult lifesaver is the best bet.

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'I directly turned only six people all of whom are dead.'

 

 

They continue doing more art and requesting more instantiations thereof, and let Cam know once they think they'll have it within a day, and then, finally - disappear.

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Cam waits around. Chats with Bar and the security guy. Reads books.

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It only takes about twenty minutes before they return.

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" - Ack - "

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"- did you not warn her? Or is teleporting just unpleasant -"

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'I warned her.  Though it did not seem prudent to waste more time than was necessary.'

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"...hello. I'm Cam. Ancorabenelisifentiliane wasn't able to tell me your name."

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"Judy.  Hi."

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"If you don't want to be here my understanding is the door will probably be able to take you home."

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"Where is here?"

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"It's called Milliways. It's an interdimensional bar which also tends to pause time in the worlds of the occupants. The bar is a person but she's not responsible for the rest of the establishment."

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". . . Huh.  And I have been whisked away here because - "

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"To pause time on your Earth."

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" - why - is something bad going to happen - "

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"I believe they're just concerned with the ordinary death rate."

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" - Okay.  Uh, is that - tractable, or did we just figure, hey, here's a time-pausing bar - "

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'It is tractable.  I am the entity that created the sort of being you are.'

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". . . Humans?"

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'Vampires.'

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"Ah-huh."

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" - or well, cool!  Neat.  Love your work, or - it's one of the most important things that's happened in the history of humanity, at least, definitely."

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"Apparently vampires have recoverable souls and humans from your Earth don't."

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" - yep, that sounds pretty important.  Is that just full vamps or does it include the ah, sangrades, or what?"

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'Living beings gain souls upon their first interaction with the magic system.'

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"Definitely less of a nightmare to scale, that - who are you, Cam, what's your role in this."

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"I have a long and complicated story the upshot of which is I need to get a million insubstantial god-things out of a black hole or otherwise restored to life."

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"Gosh, okay.  Is that tractable."

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"Not with magic I have. I'm hoping they can do something if they ramp up enough." He inclines his head toward Ancora.

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'I can,' they assert.

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". . . Gotcha.  It sounds like you have non-applicable magic?  What's that like."

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"I can make things. For reasons that are not well-understood this magic cannot make minds, even minds that are implemented on physical substrates, but the other species that were casualties of the black hole are cyborgs with backups I can use for the purpose instead, so it's just the Maiar - the insubstantial god-things - that I need outside help with."

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"Can you elaborate - 'things' like artefacts or what; is it crafting or are there rituals and then you just have whatever it is, poof, or - "

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"Nonmagical matter that appears stationary relative to my reference frame, optionally copied from existing objects according to what are called 'conjurable parameters', very poof."

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She whistles, impressed.

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'Cam is immeasurably helpful.'

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"I gave them a computer and have been conjuring up their 3-D models to spec. And introducing them to video recordings, which were apparently new; what year is it on your Earth?"

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"2014.  - 'My' Earth?"

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"There are lots. I was born on one."

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"I guess that's probably not weirder than anything else going on here.  And uh, why my Earth; why me specifically to pause it - "

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"Ancorabenilisifentiliane gave me a shortlist of options and didn't know much about anybody, including names or anything I could use to conjure for more, but your resume was the best, especially considering that the runner-up is thirteen."

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"What was on my resume?"

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"Saved seven people's lives the first day you had magic?"

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". . . Ah."

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"Is that - complicated somehow, or -"

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"It - wasn't a great time, is all.  And I suppose - I was one of them, if six versus seven makes a difference for complicatedness, or if it just being self-defense loses me points."

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"We don't have to talk about it if you don't want."

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"I do not super want, yeah.  Thanks."

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Cam nods. "So, uh, that's what we're about."

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"Uh, cool."  She turns to Ancora.  "So - you made vampires, now you're in an interdimensional bar, what's the story there."

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'Specify further.'

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"- where have you been, in between those.  And what were you doing."

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'In the realm whence I came initially, gathering strength.  I was severely weakened and forced to leave Earth when one of the members of the initial set of vampires killed the other five.'

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"Is that so."

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They nod.

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"Is that because it - interfered with the artistic completeness of the project, or what -"

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'It was not what I had intended.'

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"Their species is sustained by creating art," Cam tells Judy. "I wouldn't have thought vampires were art but it seems they count."

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'Vampires are the most exquisitely artful concept that has ever been conceived of.'

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"To each their own."

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" - Uh, so, if the bar part of this place is a person, then what is the rest of the establishment?  Are they also people?"

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"There are infirmary and security staff. The woman currently in the infirmary has some kind of issue - Bar doesn't know what it is because her world doesn't produce publications she could access and guess from - and can't hold a normal conversation, but the guy in Security is cool, will probably be able to fill any locality-limited request you have, but his magic won't work if he goes to a world other than his own or Milliways. There is a possibly personable giant squid in the lake in the backyard. The entity or entities in control of the door are referred to as 'the landlords' but do not manifest their will in any other way. Other parts of the establishment don't seem to be people, just variously magical effects."

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"Gosh, okay.  Uh, so, if I'm staying here indefinitely while you do whatever, does that look like camping out in the backyard, or - are there showers anywhere; will I have to swim with the squid to bathe - "

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"The upstairs is a hotel, I am happy to buy you a room - Bar takes counterfeit, I can keep that up however long - complete with bathroom facilities."

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"This is more convenient than many alternatives!  I appreciate that, thank you."

(She has little fangs visible when she smiles enough.)

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Cam drops a sack of gold on Bar; it disappears and there's a room key and a napkin that says Room 2001.

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"Oh, wow, 'very poof' indeed.  Do you mind if I go check that out or did you have anything else you wanted to cover."

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"Uh, there's time dilation between noninteracting parts of the establishment, and we can't guarantee how it'll run. Would you like a computer compatible with mine so you can send me messages?
The kind I have requires a brain chip - very poof, but still something you'd want to know - and there are kinds that do not."

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"Uh, what does the brain chip, like, do - "

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"There are billions of people with abilities like mine and things we can conjure include unpublished files. If someone wants to keep their stuff private from us, it can never be set to recorded format unencrypted. The brain chip uses the user's cognition to encrypt, because one thing we can't do is make minds, so there's no way for us to get around it. This also incidentally makes the device thought-controlled. The non-brain-chip kind is still fairly annoying to copy stuff out of, but not that hard. Uh, if you do want a brain chip we should check with Bar and have the infirmary lady spot me in case vampire brains are different."

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"Could I maybe . . . upgrade later."

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"Yes, no problem. Here's one of what they've got." Cam hands over a computer.

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"Cool, thanks.  Are interfaces from whenever-brain-chips-happen intuitive enough to 2014 people or do I need lessons?"

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"I gave them lessons but you've seen a computer before so the built-in tutorial will probably be fine."

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"Okay, thanks.  Uh, bye!"  And upstairswards she trots, swiping the key off Bar on her way.

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"Not looking forward to explaining to her about the genocide," sighs Cam.

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'I would offer in your stead did I not expect those results to be yet worse.'

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"I appreciate the sentiment but completely agree." Sigh.

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They cause a carefully-temperature-neutral glittery snow gust.

 

'It occurs to me that, if there are rooms available, those would constitute additional places to house furniture and sculptures and similar.  And it is possible rooms themselves may be able to count as projects if adequately decorated.'

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"Yeah, interior design is a thing, at least for humans. I can get you a room too." He drops another sack of gold and Bar produces another key for room 299.

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'Is there a convenient way to convey existing pieces up stairs.'

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"Not especially but I can make a robot that can manage it."

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They walk off to go check out the room and then start teleporting some of their favorite pieces up to it, taking a break to play some glockenspiel-viola duets with themself after a few trips.

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Cam does not seem to be essential here, though he does record the music.

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They continue transferring things up, spending more time doing art between trips than making progress on their task, but eventually get everything they want in their room in their room.  Afterwards, they still mostly loiter around in Cam's general vicinity but occasionally sequester themself.

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Judy comes down to request meals at intervals that don't suggest much time difference and is otherwise pretty content to spend her first day outside of time alone.  She asks for steak, once she makes the connection between conjured food and vegetarianism.  " - And uh, we should probably check about blood with that, huh."

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"I can do blood, Bar can probably also do blood. This'll only work if you're the kind of vampire that literally drinks blood and not the kind that is using it as a proxy for life force or something but the latter doesn't seem like Ancora's style."

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"I think it's probably just literally blood, yeah.  I'll try a quarter cup from each of you?"

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"Any other specs?"

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"Like what, blood type?  Uh, nah.  - Except that it should be in a glass or a mug or whatever, if you were going to not do that."

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"I wasn't going to like, rain on you." He hands her a wineglass with a quarter cup of O-neg.

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"I appreciate that!"  Sip.  "This works fine."

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"Oh good."

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She downs it, tries a similar order from Bar with similar results, and takes her steak upstairs.

Cam gets a message a few hours later asking whether he can come up and poof her a wardrobe, since she only has the one set of clothes and all.

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He can come up and do this to whatever specifications she has in mind. "Do you just want a copy of what you have at home, or do you want me to find you a catalog...?"

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"A catalog would be super great!  Thanks."

She looks maybe a touch shakey, on top of the smileyness.

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He gets her an era-appropriate Land's End catalog. "Uh, don't feel limited to those colors or whatever. Are... you okay? My medical school didn't cover vampires but the infirmary should be generically capable of handling whoever happens to be around."

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"Oh, um, uh - I think I'm, um, kind of nervous about - spending the foreseeable future away from everyone I know and everything I was going to do, for possibly a really long time?  With no advance warning?  And it's sort of sinking in now but I'm like, totes fine on the medical front."

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"Yeah, it's not great. You could ask Ancora if they could do anything about it - if you have loved ones who'd want to be teleported in here too, say, or anyone you could reach by holding the door and yelling?"

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"I'll think about it, definitely."  She starts paging through the catalog.  "Uh, so you're like, pretty committed to sticking with Ancora and helping them out, right?  Because of your thing or whatever?"

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"I would probably instead go back to resurrecting Elves if somebody besides Ancora showed up and could just resurrect the Maiar with a wave of their hand but I'm sympathetic to their project too."

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She nods.  Keeps flipping through the catalog.  Possibly the shaking is getting slightly worse.

 

 

 

 

 

"Do you want a hug?  You just seem really - like you could use a hug."

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"I should probably explain why I look like that before you hug me."

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"I could also use a hug."

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"I should probably explain before you hug me for any reason. It's just kind of a lot."

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"Please?  - If you don't want to hug me that's fine, but - if it's on my account then I really super, super don't think there's actually literally anything you could say that would make me not want to?  And that's not - people tell me I don't suffer from lack of imagination; I just.  This is not the sort of action I can regret, I don't think."

She's definitely shaking harder now; a catalog page she's holding but hasn't turned yet is making wobbling noises.

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"...okay." He holds out his arms. And wings.

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Hug.

She pulls her sleeves over her hands and turns her head to the side so her hair's in between her face and his chest; caring about touching a shirtless person where shirts normally go is literally the most useless, trivial thing she could be spending brain on when - whatever, it would take more to try and not care about it, it's fine -

She gives the best hug she is capable of, for what maybe verges on awkward amounts of time.

 

 

And then - Cam should stop being awake. As quickly as she can manage it.

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He slumps in her arms; his wings droop behind him.

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Cool.  Cool cool cool cool.  This is exactly the outcome she wanted and took steps to enact.  - Gosh, okay, she sure has not really spent magic on augmenting her physical strength; setting him down on the floor is an awkward endeavor.  And then - she complimented one of Ancora's statuettes earlier and asked if she could keep it.  Its base is solid and weighty.

She aims for the head.

( - she's actively spending magic on keeping him out - she'll feel it when he dies - )

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He doesn't even bleed. The slight red mark on his forehead fades in a fraction of a second.

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Gosh, yep, okay - time to temporarily boost her physical strength a bunch, apparently -

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The result is... identical except that he scoots a bit across the floor this time.

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- she still has the steak knife up here -

s . . . tab?  stab stab?

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Did she mean instantly healed scratch instantly healed scratch instantly healed scratch?

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Apparently she did!  What.  She's relieved.  She's confused, and scared.

She has never kept somebody unconscious with magic before but it's wearing down her supply quite a bit faster than it intuitively ought to; she does not have much time - she tries to slit his throat???  Probably this will also just fail to work probably.

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Totally fails to work.

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Rad and cool and great and fine and chill and fine.  - Maybe it's an intent thing!  She does not really want him dead but she does not want seven billion people dead or subjugated either so she wants him dead -

Nope.  Okay.

Okay.

She takes the not-murder-weapons and puts them in the bathtub and draws the shower curtain and turns off the light in the bathroom and shuts the door and - takes a few seconds to think; she's running out of time but strategy is important and she needs to pick one and stick to it -

- it's so tempting to feign concern, like he just passed out and she had no clue why this happened, or pretend to have been knocked out herself as well.  If it worked, this would be a costless mistake and she wants this mistake to be costless so, so badly - but the fact is that it won't work; her acting ability is simply not adequate to hold that much weight - it only didn't give her away before because she was so below suspicion -

- she exits the room, closes the door behind her, starts heading down the stairs - still burning magic on keeping Cam unconscious -

- if she walks out the door time starts there again and she's pretty sure the alien can just teleport directly to her, wherever she goes, forever -

- she sits down on one of the couches by the fireplace - no that's not right; could be taken as trying to be nonchalant; she needs to signal that she knows what she did and she's sorry and she's not going to try it again - hide under Bar?  Obviously she expects to be found but it would help play up the 'scared and young and not a threat' angle - too much risk of seeming like she's actually trying to hide and just grossly incompetent -

- her magic is very very close to running out; she cuts it off, keeping a sliver left; that amount of time won't make much of a difference and a sliver is so, so much better than nothing at all -

 

She puts herself on the floor and crams herself into the space between the arm of a couch and a very ornate bookcase that the alien didn't want in their room, in full view of the door to the stairs, and draws her knees up, and does not get the blood on her hand on her jeans.

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Cam wakes up... confused. "Judy?" he says, a few times, but this fails to produce Judy so he lets himself out of her room and goes downstairs. "- Judy, there you are, what happened, are you okay?"

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"Uh - hi - I'm fine - " she says, somewhat weakly.

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"What happened?"

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"Uh - you - passed out and then I - "  Okay so when making this plan she did not account for how hard it is to not just reflexively lie about wrongdoings you have done wrong.  Also she thought it would be obvious enough that she wouldn't have to explain it; she'd kill not to have to explain this - well, no, empirically she wouldn't, if not for lack of trying -

She puts her face in her hands.  Now her forehead has blood on it.  Excellent.

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"I... don't spontaneously pass out."

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"Gosh, really?  Must've been - uh - " stop lying, Judy, you idiot - "Itriedtokillyou."

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"Somebody beat you to it and now I'm immortal. Uh. Why?"

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"Vampires are an existential threat to my Earth and Ancora is almost certainly super evil and you probably are too and you can conjure people's private stuff and could've been lying about not being able to get mine ahead of time and probably tailored everything you said to me accordingly and if Ancora got booted back to where they came from when their test group killed each other in the first place then probably the same thing would happen if you died since you were supplying them and even if you were good it would've been worth it, even if you were good and had a million resurrections dependant on you it would be worth it seven thousand times."

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"Wow. Uh, I actually have about twenty-five million resurrections depending on me, the Maiar are one million but they're just the ones I can't do on my own, I was halfway through with the ones I can when I found this place. You could have... mentioned? That you think vampirism is an existential threat?"

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"Right but I don't know you're not evil.  I still don't but now I'm not risking losing the shot at killing you by tipping my hand anymore and Ancora's time-frozen and you can't make me open the door."

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"- you did something to Ancora?"

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"Told them I wanted my cat if I was going to be stuck here, sort of like you ended up suggesting - said it'd be less time wasted and fewer lives lost if they ported there while time was stopped and I'd open the door after - "

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"What's your plan now? Live here forever? Run up a tab?"

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"I don't think it will take all of forever to think of something."

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"You know, it would have been way easier to roll with the murder attempt if you'd waited for me to unload my story of why I'm such a bummer first, I would have been like 'that's fair'."

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She sighs but obediently recites the next line in the obvious script.  "Why are you such a bummer."

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"I think I won't tell you, actually, I think I'll get the security guy to spot me so you don't try anything while I open my door and get an Elf in here." He meanders to the side corridor where the security office is.

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She stays in her nook.

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Cam reemerges from the corridor a moment later, goes to the main entrance, pulls it open. "Alassëo?" he calls. "Can you come in here?"

A tall beautiful man with pointy ears and gorgeous robes sweeps into the bar. Cam has a very quiet conversation with him.

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She continues to stay in her nook.

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Eventually Alassëo goes into the backyard. "If his computer - which is like mine - detects him falling unconscious, mine'll scream. If he dies I can resurrect him. So you're aware."

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"I don't think you have a very good model of why I'm doing things."

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"It's mutual. Consider it an abundance of caution if you like."

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"Sure.  Wanna make any attempts at convincing me you're not evil or are we giving up on that."

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"It's complicated. I dunno how receptive you are to complicated."

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"Well try me.  Or don't; whatever."

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"I made a deal to end a war with an evil god that involved destroying the planet all those dead Elves and Maiar were on."

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She emits a whistley exhale through her teeth.

"Do you care to supply more detail on that.  - Or we could take turns or something, if you'd rather."

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"Most of the population of the universe was uploaded and duplicated instances of captured cyborg Elves, which he ran in accelerated time and tortured constantly. He had a client species descended from same who were acting as his soldiers in a more conventional front of the war, because they - along with the god-species and the Elves - could make binding oaths that forced them to follow through on anything they could be made to swear to. A friendly Maia helped me determine that I could verify oaths - normally you shouldn't trust one made by a Maia or Vala because they can do illusions, and only actually speaking out loud counts, but it turns out to be a conjurable parameter so I could check whether he'd actually spoken as long as he recorded it. We - negotiated. I held out for him to cut it out with everything, and I waited till I knew how I could put back Elves. He wanted me to go hole the other inhabited planet, which was - noninterventionist, noncombatants. Deal would have held even if this hadn't killed his conspecifics there but it did. Then I made a new system and planet for them - their stars had recently gone out anyway, he wrecked them as an opening move in the war - and started putting Elves back."

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It takes a while for her to say anything.

 

 

"So like.  If this is real I'm very extremely sorry and would you like a non-murder-attempt hug about it, but.  You do realize how tailored this sounds, right.  Like, 'oh, you see, we're the same sort of person, both willing to kill people for the greater good, except when I do it it's with much higher stakes and at greater personal cost but I can fix all my mistakes, and it worked instead of pathetically failing, and so you should weight my evaluations of the world as being much more important and trustworthy than your own - '  - Admittedly you'd had to have come up with this pretty quickly post-murder-attempt if it's that but I feel like you can get most of the way there off of almost any of my class essays - why would the murder be easier to roll with if I knew about this; that would just make me a hypocrite - "

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"You can ask Alassëo about it. Or get publications from Bar, they have newspapers. I was sort of envisioning a scenario where I got as far as saying they were dead because I destroyed their planet and not all the details before the murder attempt but it's not like hypocrisy is outside my hypothesis space, I don't know you that well and have not been reading your essays."

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"I imagine you can fake an awful lot of evidence outside of time, I don't have a way to confirm that Bar isn't in on it, and I only have your word that you have not been reading my essays.  There's presumably an amount of evidence that will convince me but I haven't determined where that threshold should be yet."

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"Uh-huh. You did see me bring Alassëo in."

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"Yep.  - Want my side of things now; seems only fair and I don't have an issue telling you things you'd already know if you were being evil about it."

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"Sure. If vampires are an existential risk that seems important to know."

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"Yeah, no kidding.  So, uh, this last spring I was in a car crash, lost a leg."  She knocks on the side of her right calf; it makes a not-flesh noise.  "And like the crash itself was pretty bad but I don't supes mind being a cyborg, and I cannot emphasize enough how little I care about high school popularity contests but it was looking like I was going to get prom queen because everyone felt bad for me or whatever.  Other people care - more, about high school popularity contests, apparently, and one of them in particular cared a whole lot, and happened to be a vampire, and for vampiric reasons decided that the solution to this was to rip my throat out with her teeth."  She curls into herself a bit tighter and puts a hand on her collarbone.

"Uh, I don't know if vampire media is different in your world, but - that's the sort of thing that you'd expect a fictional vampire to do but not a sane real one; if I drink somebody's blood straight from them without an intervening vessel then they get magic too - that's why I specified it should be in a glass earlier but it didn't seem worth getting into when you were going to be dead soon anyway - and magic is very helpful about letting you know what you can do with it.  And there are safeties for malicious intent for pretty much anything you can do to other people but not on the mind control -

"So I spent everything I had on making her like me and care about me, and apparently this either saved not only my life but six others, or you guys were lying to me about that for flattery or whatever."

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"All I have to go on is what Ancora told me. ...do you want a leg."

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"No.  - If I get convinced you're alright I might want like, a cool future prosthetic later."

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"My cool future doesn't actually have all that much in the way of prosthetic improvements because we can just put in organic limbs but if you eventually get a brain computer they can hook up to that. - I did ask Ancora about what powers vampires had and got a different picture of the mind control situation. I suppose it's not a great surprise they didn't communicate very clearly about it."

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"What was your impression of the mind control sitch?"

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He consults his notes. "I summarized vampires as I was familiar from pop culture, including 'sometimes psychic powers'. They said there were some psychic powers but they avoided unethical ones - just being able to model people better and decide how much to care about them - I don't think this was grammatically ambiguous enough to cover altering how someone else cares about oneself. And they mentioned the unconsciousness thing. I didn't pursue the line of questioning very far because the context was whether I should maybe be a vampire and I didn't want to risk any of my demon traits. - thing I am is called a 'demon'."

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"Yeah no you can totes do it to other people and I think you should count that as having been lied to.  - If it turns out you're okay and were just misled you should be glad I timefroze them, and - I don't immediately see how I'd be of much use to whatever you're doing, but I would defs help out with your thing, if I had the means to."

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"Ancora's bad enough at communication that I'm not ruling out that they're sincerely confused somehow and would fix it if they could but it could be that you acted correctly. Uh, noncon mind control shit is horrifying and everything but you said existential?"

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"I'm not concerned about a single extinction event so much as like, a slower zombie apocalypse type thing, but with vampires - Sara was not a great person growing up but she wasn't like, murder-someone - or, uh, murder-seven-someones-over-prom evil.  There's definitely additional mind-stuff, aside from the affection control, which - I'm pretty sure she wasn't actually entirely sapient, when - you know - and I'm worried about there being some sort of intermediate step that got her to do the thing that does that.  And then apparently the first group of vampires also had a murder spree, and - I don't know how to count my thing; I couldn't use it to reason because if I was getting more murdery then that was all the more reason to take drastic action to weaken vampires as a whole - "

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"Ancora was upset about the murder spree. Or pretended to be and also pretended to be very bad at pretending. But yeah, that's - statistically suggestive... Who wasn't sapient?"

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"Sara, the girl who - " gesture.  "I mean, while she - " gesture; " - she's fine now.  Ish.  Like I mean I still don't like or trust her but she's a person and stuff."

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"So there's some issue where under some conditions vampires go, uh, feral, and get murdery?"

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"Yeah, um - can you make me my phone - or like, my phone but without a cracked screen and the same case but as if it were new, if you can do that?  I have pictures of a thing."

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"I can do that." Phone.

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She starts scrolling through her photos app.  "So, in most vampires media I know about, turning is a pretty instantaneous thing?  Or like it might take three days or whatever, but it's fairly binary, and it's a thing that happens to you, with its associated effects.  Whereas in real life, you just get magic you can do whatever with if you get bitten.  But there's like - I mentioned the magic tells you what you can do; it also tells you what you need to do in order to become a vampire, and once you've done enough of that then you can be one."

She does not un-nook or hand Cam her phone, but she holds it up in his direction with a selfie on it.  "Uh, so this is me a few months ago, and you can see that there's no fangs, my facial structure's less pointy, and - okay so maybe with the lighting difference you can't tell but my skin is in fact tinted differently.  And there's like posture stuff and whatever that's not so much discernable from still photos.  And these are all factors you have individual control over, separate from whether or not you're a vampire.  You follow?"

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"Think so."

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"So, once you're a vampire - which is itself a binary thing, once you've got all the reqs - you can still control all those things, but if you approach the minimum of what you need to vamp it feels - very aversive.  But you still can.  And if you do, then - now you're feral, apparently.  But part of the aversiveness is that it feels like that's what's going to happen; it seems totally predictable, and I didn't receive an explanation I found satisfactory for why Sara would have done that anyway.  So I'm suspicious that there might be further mind-stuff that caused that."

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"...that's such a weird design.

Do you like being a vampire?"

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"Uh?  I certainly pushed really hard to become one?"

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"Okay, because if you didn't the security guy could probably safely devamp you."

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"Oh, um.  I think I need to keep it in order to have - any leverage in the world at all, but if there was something better I would probably want to take that.  What's the security guy's deal."

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"He is generically extremely powerful but he can't use his magic outside of his own world, Milliways is an exception."

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"I see."

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"Yeah. He's friendly enough but can't do anything about the Maiar and won't help your mind control vampires situation either. Uh, if you decide to go visit him say up front if you don't want a new biological leg, he might have to specifically try not to replace it if he does anything else for you at all? I'm not sure exactly how it works for him."

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" - Huh.  I'll keep that in mind.  - Might he be able to help my-specifically mind control vampires situation, if there was one?  It admittedly felt like a very considered decision to murder you, and I didn't feel remotely inclined to introduce teeth into the equation, and Sar - "  She makes a slightly strangled sound and tries to pretend she didn't, clears her throat.  "Sara wasn't going in for hugs, or anything, uh, before I mind controlled her into - but it seems worth checking.  Could I have a water."

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Bottle of water. "I wouldn't rule it out. Though I'm not sure how to bet on the magic system interacting. If he de-vamped you, being human's a stable state; I don't know if being de-mind-controlled and also still a vampire is."

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Gulp gulp gulp.  "I think I need to stay a vampire for now."

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"Well, tell him that too if you go say hi."

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"Okay.

 

"Can you maybe take like, two steps back."

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Cam can indeed take two steps back.

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She gathers her phone and water bottle and un-nooks, leaving plenty of personal space between them, and steps off to the side so she's no longer between Cam and the closest wall.

"I think I'm uh, maybe out of stuff-doing stuff for the day.  Could I - have some pajamas?  Uh, I don't remember what page they were on - jersey knit, elastic waistband, purple and light blue plaid on the pants, matching solid-color long-sleeved t-shirt?  If - you feel like it."

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Cam flips through the catalog in his computer and finds the pajamas in question and presents them to her folded.

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"Okay thanks bye!"  And she rather flees.

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Cam conjures for Ancora and surroundings to see if they are in fact fetching a cat.

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They're at the very least in a fairly-standard-looking 2014 sort of house, one room of which contains a cat.

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That's nice of them. It would be great if this were all a misunderstanding and they can totally fix the mind control problem after it is pointed out to them and it comes as a complete surprise, but before Judy allows this to happen she will have some kind of backup plan, which will hopefully also be fine.

Cam drinks a mocha and reads about development economics.

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She heads to Security first thing in the (relative-to-her) morning.

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"Hey," says the guy behind the desk. He looks generically attractive in a way that suggests he has arbitrary control over his appearance but is not very creative. "What's up?"

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"Uh, hi!  Please do not change the amount of leg I have or make me not-a-vampire, but could you check whether I'm being mind controlled?"

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"- my power's actually not great at divination. If you are being mind-controlled I can probably fix it but I don't get feedback, you'd be the one who could tell if I did anything. Do you have an unusual amount of leg -"

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"I do.  You can't check without trying something?"

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"I'm not as powerful as we can get, and I'd probably be able to in another few decades, but not as-is, no."

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"Okay, thanks anyway!  Uh, I might come back later but I think I shouldn't try anything right now probably."

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"Okay. Uh, I won't be here forever, the shift'll change eventually, but I've been running slow this shift compared to the main bar."

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"Oh, okay.  Um, in principle, do you know whether you could, like - increase how much magic I'm able to store when I do the thing that gives me magic, reduce the cooldown on how quickly I can get magic again, make me smarter or have a better memory, uh, increase my vocal range, things like that?"

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"Vocal range is easy, the magic stuff I'd be guessing, memory and intelligence are also on the high end of things sorcerers can do."

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"Neato!  Just a sec; I'll be right back."

She goes and finds Cam.  "Morning!"

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"Is it? Morning."

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"Oh, is there a time thing or whatever?"

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"There isn't really a day cycle and I don't have to sleep."

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"Oh, that's cool.  Uh, anyway, I was wondering - I was gonna ask the security guy for some stuff, but I didn't want to if you'd take it as like an act of aggression?  So I thought I'd check if you minded if I saw if he could make me able to handle more magic and maybe try some petty stuff that otherwise I would eventually probably use my magic to do.  - And maybe some less-petty stuff; not having to sleep sounds supes useful."

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"I'm planning to stay in the area of the establishment policed by security as opposed to going off anywhere you can do anything to me. Since, you know, you tried to kill me, and have mind control powers. Given this I will not feel particularly threatened."

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"That's entirely reasonable and I wouldn't dream of asking you to do otherwise!  Even though I'm super not going to try and kill you again and also am not going to mind control anyone ever again in any situation where I have literally any other options, and expect and plan to retain plenty of other options!"

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"I am gratified to hear it."

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"Okay great!"  She turns on her heel and heads back to Security -

- for about three steps before turning back around.  "Okay but like - to be clear I could not in fact mind control you right now, even if you were elsewhere and I - was emotionally capable of it - and would not be able to for at least a couple days even if I drank blood during that time, and the thing I was going to do would, if it worked, change that.  - Um, or like, I have a little magic left, but barely any; I don't even think I could knock you all the way out again - we might have a legitimate values difference or something but I'm trying to avoid escalation via stupid miscommunications - "

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"I'll tell Alassëo, who for Elf reasons can't stay in areas Nechar is responsible for at all times."

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"Okay, uh, I was going to go talk to him next but if that's the case I should do it first probably - "  And she starts off towards the door to the backyard.

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The Elf has climbed a tree and is sitting it and singing.

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She positions herself vaguely nearish the tree and loiters until she's acknowledged.

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He comes to the end of a verse and glances down at her. "Hello. Judy?"

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"That's me!  You're Alassëo, right?"

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"Yes."

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"Nice to meet you.  Um, I was wondering if you could tell me a bit about - I guess whatever you think is relevant and important?  Sorry, I know that's not very specific but I don't think I have enough context to ask anything more useful - "

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"About - Cam? The war? Elves? The reconstruction?"

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"Uh, yeah, all of those I guess."

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"It would have gone much worse without him.

The - black hole - was on the King's authorization...

I don't think he's eaten or slept or sat down or picked up his violin or anything, not while time was passing in Arda, since then."

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"Gosh.  Um.  It's - this is very - moving, and all, but - I don't know what Cam told you about me, but the gist is that I don't have a way to confirm any of this, and do have reason to suspect I might be being lied to.  Do you have any better ideas for how to resolve that than loading me up with enough self-consistent details that it's implausible for someone to have made everything up even with access to time pausing?"

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"I... suppose you could summon another demon and ask them to check?"

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"I could?"

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"Unless it doesn't work here."

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"How does that work, when working is a thing it does; we didn't cover that."

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"...if Cam decided not to tell you how he may have had a reason for that, I'd want to talk to him."

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" - Sure!  Uh, sure, yeah; I wasn't trying to, um - that sounds sensible."

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"It might be he just didn't get around to it," says Alassëo reassuringly.

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"Okay.  Um, do you have any other ideas for if it turns out there was a reason not to tell me?"

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"We could... call in more Elves from New Valinor and you could talk to them without their being coached? - I guess if you are particularly suspicious you could suppose I was coaching them by osanwë."

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"By what?"

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"We can talk to each other's chips telepathically."

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"Ah, 'kay.  And even without that I don't know there weren't a bunch of people in here planning stuff before, who stepped out just so they can come back in later."

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"I... suppose. What do you think he's trying to trick you into doing, exactly?"

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"I don't know specifically but I also don't know basically anything about what's going on here and it seems worth it to be really careful and not just assume things are working how people say they are just because it would be convenient and easy to go along with them.  And I have some idea of things that could go really horribly even if lots of features of the situation are as they present themselves, and don't want to - limit myself by being unimaginative.  - And the last time I went, 'No, surely not; I'm just imagining things; this is totally normal and this is a nice, regular person who I should not assume the worst of' I pretty nearly got super murdered, so."

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"I'm so sorry to hear that," says Alassëo sympathetically.

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"Thanks."

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"Our war was in some ways caused by - naivetë," he says.

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"Oh?"

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"The Enemy had done terrible things before. Creating orcs, terrorizing the Elves of Endorë. The Valar imprisoned him for three Ages of the world - and then, when he said he was regretful and longed to atone for what he'd done, released him on parole - he was quiet for a while, and then -"

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"Ah.  Yeah, that's the sort of mistake I'm trying to avoid.  Which probably opens me up to lots of other kinds of mistakes, but hopefully not anything too bad going forward what with time being stopped?  I don't know."

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"What is it you mean to do?" Alassëo wonders.

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"Just find stuff out, mostly, and come up with a plan based on that."

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"A plan to do what?"

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" - There's apparently a whole multiverse, and I don't think I can narrow it down to anything very specific yet?  Or do you mean - I want to, uh, prevent my world from being destroyed, and also all the other worlds, and generally make sure that people are able to live good lives, I guess."

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"Is your world in danger of being destroyed?"

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"I think it might be, yeah."

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"If you need more people on that - the same way Cam can resurrect us would let him fork us, I think, we can't abandon our people but we could make more of ourselves."

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"Gosh.  Well, thank you.  Um - should I go ask Cam about summoning now or did you have anything else?"

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"I'm mostly just here so that if anything peculiar happens to Cam the door won't be lost."

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"Right.  Well, thanks; see you later - possibly I should not see you later.  Because right now I don't have the ability to magically hurt you, and later I might, and even though I don't at all intend to, I don't want to - leave any room for misunderstandings."

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"...okay," he says, sounding a little puzzled.

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"I don't think something bad is likely to happen to you but if anything does I want it to be very clear I had nothing to do with it?"

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"Oh. All right. Goodbye, then, I guess."

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"Bye."

And back inside, to ask - no, she told the security guy she'd only be a second; she should probably go talk to him first.

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The security guy is still in the security office. He's eating an ice cream sundae.

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"Hi!  Um, I've sorted things out on my end and am ready to be magically adjusted if you still feel like it?"

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"Which ways, you mentioned a few things?"

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"Probably start with seeing whether you can reduce the cooldown on how soon I can have magic again?"

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"Sure, all right." He squints at her a bit. "Did that work?"

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" . . . I'm not sure.  I guess I wouldn't be able to tell yet unless it was enough to get rid of it entirely?  Might just have to wait and see if it comes back sooner than normal."

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"I'd say come back if you need me to retry but that won't actually help, I can't get stronger in here."

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"Well, I appreciate you trying anyway.  Uh, how about the total power and also vocal range?  More the upper side but I won't scoff at low notes either."

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"Vocal range is easy - there you go - and I'll try on the total power thing, sure. Did that work?"

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"Didn't feel like anything that time either, I don't think."

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"Well, you can let me know when you find out, or don't, whatever."

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"I probably will!  Is there anything else that's really common for people to do where you're from?  Like, Cam mentioned he doesn't sleep and that's probably a different thing, but - first of all can you do that and second of all is there anything that you know of like that which I might not be thinking to ask about?"

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"I can't do that yet, that one's really hard. Uh, it's not really common to stick permanent effects on people who aren't themselves sorcerers. People who hang around us enough tend to do better in lots of ways but that's just part of how we work."

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"Okay!  Well, thanks, uh - I don't think I caught your name?"

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"Nechar."

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"Nechar!  Thanks."

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"Anytime. While I'm here, anyway, if you come to my world bets are off."

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"Oh?"

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"I'm busy at home."

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"Gotcha.  Well, thanks again!"

And off to see Cam.  "Hello again.  Um, Alassëo thought that maybe I'd find summoning another demon convincing about stuff but also that maybe you had reasons other than not having thought of it for not suggesting it earlier?"

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"...well," he says, "if you do it wrong, you destroy the planet."

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"Yep, uh, want to avoid that one for sure."  She glances out the window.  "Is this place even relevantly a planet?  - Not that I, um.  Just . . ."

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"I think here would be fine, Nechar can probably handle it, but if you knew how to do it and went home and did it there..."

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She nods.

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"On my original world summoning has been used to excellent and largely nondestructive effect for over a century but I don't know if your world is prepared to absorb it, let alone with such a specific vector of introduction."

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"How largely?"

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"The mortality rate fell dramatically when magic went public, mostly due to the use of summoning to handle infrastructure and shipping and medicine and suchlike, but there are small-scale summoning mishaps. No serious attempt to destroy the planet."

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"Well.  I was trying really hard to prevent the spread of a much less dangerous threat than that to my world, but I'd probably think less of you if you decided to teach me anyway based only off the information you have now."

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"Behold how I'm not teaching you."

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"Right, yes, I wouldn't have said that if I thought you were going to; I just would have quietly thought less of you."

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"Uh-huh. If you think summoning a demon would allow us to come to some workable agreement on our differences I guess I can have Alassëo test if it works here and then if it does I can help you summon somebody without letting you know how it's done, with of course the caveat that you might imagine whatever you like about whether this lets me introduce distorting influence."

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"I don't even know that it would; he just brought it up as a potentially-faster alternative to me doing lots and lots of reading.  Though I would be a lot more confident in my ability to tell if there exists an Earth as described a certain way and springboard off of that than trying to evaluate an entirely alien culture, if springboarding is - how that would work.  I don't have a very clear picture."

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"Unfortunately a lot of the information I could provide to explain how a demon would help with that would also be germane to how summoning works. Uh, Alassëo can bindingly give his word? You could check that with Bar, if you don't want to take my word for it though since my word on that came as part of my explanation for how I holed a planet you might choose to, and then he could tell you whatever."

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She sighs.

"This is very - sticky.  I would probably take Alassëo's word if I could be convinced it was bindingly given but I'm not going to take anyone's word that it can be and am not immediately thinking of any remotely ethical ways of proving it - is there any hope of proving myself to be trustworthy with summoning or did I just completely burn that - can I try and verify anything about your Earth or is it too entrenched - "

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"Hmm... If you think Bar is secretly me appearing things on the countertop I guess that will not work for you very well. I guess you know that when you showed up I was wearing jeans and sneakers? They wear those on my Earth. I doubt that gets you very far. I just - you didn't - make any attempt to find out more about what information I was working with, Ancora-wise, and -"

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Her face is rather flushed, now.  "Yeah, I - yeah.  I could try and explain but it would probably just sound like excuses, I don't know."

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"I am not in much position to disparage the concept of excuses but..."

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"Just - I'm not a good actor at all and I was pretty sure that if you caught wind of literally anything then I'd lose the chance permanently, and - there's no being the right amount of careful here, right?  Not exactly; there's far too many ways things could be for me to spin the wheel and have it land on the appropriate level of caution, or of suspicion or willingness to take drastic action.  It could be that everything's fine and I'm massively massively overreacting and doing a lot of pointless harm all the while, or it could be that it's worse than the worst thing I could possibly think of and I would never be capable of preparing for it or preventing it, or, it could be absolutely anywhere in between those.

"And so wherever I draw the line, it's going to be above some of those possibilities and below others, and every action I take cuts off more options - and obviously attempting to murder someone is burning lots of options, but as far as I could tell so was not doing that, or at least one really important big one.  I - wish someone more competent was here instead of me?  But I'm not sure anyone is actually competent enough to deal with this sort of thing, just maybe more or less lucky in whatever level they pick matching reality's.

" - I don't know enough about summoning to have any clue whether that makes me more or less qualified for it, but.  That's where I'm at, I guess."

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"Do you have, like - friends or allies or anybody you'd want double checking you here who merely are not present, or are you just flying solo?"

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"Just me, really."

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"...How old are you?" he wonders.

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"Seventeen."

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"When I was seventeen I worked alone too. It worked out okay for me but it could have - not.

I don't think either of us is in a hurry. Maybe if we wait around long enough more people will come in and they can - mediate or convince me to teach them summoning or something."

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"Yeah.  Okay."

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"I only have your word on Ancora being bad news. You demonstrated the knockout trick but that part they'd mentioned."

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She tenses up, hugs herself a bit.  "You're not going to get me to - demonstrate - that, if that's what you're asking.  I guess maybe the other direction, but - no, that wouldn't give you any information anyway, would it."

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"I was not asking! I do not want to experience it! But I'm pointing out that I only have your say-so."

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"Fair enough.  . . . I'm pretty curious about your general impression of Ancora.  Or I guess your specific impression; I haven't heard a lot of details, or just - why you think they're alright."

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"They seemed motivated to help. They were even upset about the holed planet. They were pretty weird, but they did say there weren't unethical psychic powers when I asked and I didn't have a reason to think they were - even competent enough to lie to me, let alone motivated to."

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"'They were even upset about the holed planet' is not, uh, inherently reassuring.  What about - actually, could I have some stuff to write with."

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Yellow legal pad and a ballpoint pen.

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She writes a bit, tears off the page, folds it into eighths, and sets it aside.  "What do you think happened when they went and got me.  Like, approximately."

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"They said they warned you but were in a hurry about it and you didn't contradict them so I'd been imagining they, like, showed up wherever you were, said they were taking you to another universe or that your help was needed or something like that, and then poofed you here?"

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"They didn't say anything; they showed up in my living room and did some sort of weird wordless incomprehensible telepathy thing and then imitated a statue for a bit before porting us without any more-immediate advance notice.  I guess you probably don't want to take my word that the lack of contradiction was out of - befuddlement, and trying to process what was happening - "

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"No, that sounds, uh, psychologically plausible. I'm sorry."

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"Yeah so!  If you acknowledge that that sort of communication gap can happen, then - I'm not saying they're definitely one hundred percent evil on purpose, but even if they're internally a saint that's still a problem, and one that calls for really careful consideration and handling, I'd say.  And once again it could be anywhere in between; they could be aligned on the resurrections and then have a totally reprehensible opinion about what to do with the people afterwards, or something, or - anything!  It could be anything; they're an alien you can't communicate effectively with and you're just trying to hand them more power without understanding what they'll do with it."

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"My prior experience with aliens has been mostly encouraging but I acknowledge that I do not know as much about Ancora as would be ideal."

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She sighs.

" - You're not handicapped by having to get your evidence through a party you can't put weight on trusting; can't you find some way to not have to take my word for the mind control and stuff?"

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"If there's something written down about it in your world I can get it from there. If it is not so much discussed in writing..."

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"Well, can't you find out?"

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"I mean, if I conjure the entire written corpus of your entire planet and search through it, probably eventually, but I like to be a little more precise than that when I'm being an infosec hazard."

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" - 'kay.

 

"You know, you also basically only have my word that I tried to kill you.  Like, I did, and it would be a super weird thing to lie about, but . . ."

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"I suppose it's possible you decided to knock me unconscious for some unrelated reason and then claim it was a murder attempt but I don't think it's likely."

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"Right but so, I didn't lie about that - or like I sort of did, a little at the beginning, but I didn't mean to and it's not like it was remotely convincing - and obviously it would be stupid to overgeneralize that and assume I'm being a hundred percent truthful about everything, but - is the fact that I fessed up to that any evidence at all about the rest of what I'm saying?"

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"I guess? I am not, like, a world champion at social deception games, or a psychologist, or anything. Also, like, at least one of you or Ancora has seriously misled me recently and you are probably more humanish and therefore more legible to me, an ex-human, than they are, but I also know I may not be working with a full list of vampire powers or psychological effects, because Ancora did not give me the same list as you."

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She makes a frustrated noise and puts her face in one of her hands.

 

 

"Can you get, like, security footage of when I was attacked; would that be any convincing."

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"If you were being recorded, sure, can you give me more to go on there?"

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"I don't know for sure if I would have been in view of any cameras, but it was at the school and I know they have at least some - would have been, um, March 29th, sometime between like, I dunno.  Six and eight pm?  If you get me a map of the school I can point where it was.  - I guess the cameras might automatically turn off for the weekend or something, too."

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"Name of the school should do me."

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She names it.

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Cam sticks a chip in his computer, takes a picture of Judy, runs facial recognition to find the correct videos.

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" - am I good to go for now; I don't really want to - watch, or hang around while you do - "

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"Yeah."

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She heads over to the other side of the main bar area and occupies herself on her phone.

 

The footage shows - from a high angle and somewhat blurrily, in silent grayscale -

- Judy entering the school, mostly done up for prom but still in sneakers, a backpack slung over her shoulder, a touch rounder of face and moving differently than she presently does, waiting around and periodically checking her phone impatiently -

- another girl, in heels and a nicer dress, approaching her -

- them talking, growing angrier at each other -

- the other girl - Sara, presumably - lunging at Judy, knocking her to the ground - the back of her head blocks most of the view but she raises it for a moment to spit out a chunk off to the side -

- Sara pausing at Judy's throat, then sitting up a bit and staring down at her for a prolonged moment - descending again, but with a rather different character to her movement -

- Judy, weakly struggling, saying things at too poor an angle to be discernible by lipreading -

- Sara, running her hand repeatedly down Judy's side, along her ribs, leaning over to leave a trail of kisses down her arm and exposing Judy's newly-holeless neck - though since the video quality's not great there could maybe still be some under all the blood - probably not, given that she ultimately survived it -

- Sara rising after several minutes of continuing in that vein, opening the window, scooping up a shell-shocked and largely unresisting Judy, and climbing outside.

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"Okay," he says, blanking his computer, "I've seen it."

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She comes back over.

"Well?"

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"It looked like you described. I'm sorry that happened to you."

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"Thanks.  Cool.  Now what."

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"I don't really know. Your plan is to stay here and try to find somebody who can help you deal with your planet's mind control related problems, right? And mine is to stay here and find somebody who can resurrect Maiar, even if it's not Ancora. We can, like, coexist, I don't think our respective powers solve each other's problems or anything."

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"Sure.  I mean, you're the one who just got solid evidence that I'm telling the truth, and not the other way around, but operating on your premise: sure."

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"Is there something you want me to do with this information? I'm not threatening to cut you off from your Bar deposit, I don't want you to starve."

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"I appreciate that, I guess.  Could still be - manipulating me into something nefarious, or whatever.  If I'm going to be stuck here indefinitely I'd really prefer to be able to trust you, if trustable you in fact are."  She sighs.  "I'd consider trying to work out something where I offer to just stay here forever - with trackers for enforcement or something - if I could learn summoning, but I don't even know if that would help because I don't know how it works, and you can't tell me, and also so far your guesses about what I'll find convincing are - let's say imperfect."

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"I'm not sure there's much you would find convincing that I can actually produce, but if you want to suggest something be my guest. I don't actually know if summoning will work here at all but that I can have Alassëo check."

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"I can think of some things that'd be convincing about the way your Earth is but I'm not going to say them right now because I'm not allowed to know things about it, and it would only work if you could give me it as soon as I asked instead of having extra time to fake it while knowing what I was going to ask for.  But that only helps if knowing that your Earth is a certain way will then get me far enough to be able to determine that all the other stuff is true, which again I don't want to take your word for because you thought wearing jeans and sneakers was weak evidence instead of exactly zero, given that you could easily have copied them from my Earth, and thought that binding oaths being part of your story made them more likely for some - entirely unclear reason; I didn't get that one tee-bee-aitch."

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"...because Elves can make binding oaths, if you decide that part is credible, you can get Alassëo's oath on anything he corroborates," Cam says, "I didn't realize that was unclear. I don't think I actually had enough information to know that jeans and sneakers would be the thing to copy - I had a portrait of you to guess your age from, but did not know what year it was in your world, and in mine it's the late twenty-second century and both jeans and sneakers are out of fashion, I was just born in 1987. I don't want you to know things about summoning, if you want - anything else to do with my Earth that seems probably safe."

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"No, I mean - so this is the issue, right, you say you only had this much to go off of, but that's the part I don't believe you about; in the case where you're evil and stuff I think you had a lot more.  And I get that binding oaths would fix this if I believed in them, obviously, but before it seemed like you thought I might find them credible specifically because they were part of why you holed the planet, even though I also think that might be made up because it sounds incredibly tailored, for reasons I explained when you told me about it."

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"What do you think hypothetically evil me wants from you?"

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"The entire problem is that I don't know.  - Well not the entire problem, but like, a lot of it."

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"Can I demonstrate that I'm not evil by continuing not to want anything from you?"

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"I mean, it'll help.  Like you said, though, we don't have to be in a hurry, and I think that applies equally to whatever evil-you might want.  And it's not like we can't fill time by trying to make progress on other ways of establishing trust."

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"Well, you're not telling me what those are. Do you need me for something? You seem very invested in this."

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"I will not be convinced by a history book but if they contain little enough information about summoning that I'm allowed to have one then it'll be a solid start to reference stuff against.  And sure, if wanting to know fundamental attributes of the place and people I'm imprisoned in and with makes me very invested, then by all means call me very invested."

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"Summoning becoming common knowledge was a major historical event. I can give you a history book from 2006 or earlier without redacting, or I can redact a later one. You are not imprisoned, you can walk out the door whenever you please, you are self-imposing hermitude out of humanitarian concerns."

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"Ancora already had the ability to kidnap me from my house before having ever met me and is probably - oh whatever, sure, I'll refrain from dying on this hill; I'm very invested in learning about the attributes of my hermitude.  I'll take an aught-six history book for now and if you feel like starting on redacting you could maybe do that, whatever, I'm not your mom."

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"Indeed you are not." He presents her with the required texts of every history department class taught at the University of Washington the semester before summoning broke.

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She doesn't really have the attention span at the moment to do more than skim and also global was two full years ago, but do things seem mostly the same?  Any wild differences that stand out?  Could these literally just have been taken from her world.

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There is no obvious difference, since in 2006 no textbooks mention magic at all except in the anthropological sense.

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Fantastic.  Well, it was still worth establishing that, and confirming future-things'll be a lot easier than if the divergence point was earlier at least.

. . . possibly her continued bad mood and increasingly-deteriorating ability to concentrate have anything to do with having skipped breakfast and possibly lunch by now.  She will take a recommendation from Bar.

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Bagel sandwich and a slice of quiche and fruit salad?

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Ooh, yummy.  That does help.

- it helps enough that midway through she brings her palm to her forehead with an audible smack and makes a very annoyed noise.

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"I have a magic power which lets me model people better.  Seems like it'd probably be kinda useful in verifying non-evilness."

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"How does it work exactly?"

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"I don't know; I haven't used it before and the magic only lets me know about things I can do at any given moment, which right now is not much - I think I could . . . see how someone would react to something?  Very briefly and for a set of very limited somethings, presently."

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"Huh. Is there something you want to see how I'd react to?"

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"Uh, for now I'm gonna hold on to what I have because if I'm in a situation where teleporting a few feet would help I will really regret having given up the ability to teleport a few feet, but as a first thought I can probably use it to determine whether the binding oaths are in fact a thing."

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"I can't make them but you could presumably check Alassëo, sure."

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"Right, yes."

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"And then he can give you his sworn word on all the rest. Cool. How long does it take you to recharge?"

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"Couple days, for anything at all.  And it's all gradienty, so maybe a bit more than that for it to be quite enough, but still on that sort of scale."

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"Well, maybe if we don't hang out in the same room your two days will be my half hour. You might want to tell Alassëo what magic you propose to perform on him."

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"I think I'll hold off on that till I have more magic, in case it differs substantially when I have more to work with - if you want to load me up on food and clothes and stuff to do I don't mind hiding out in my room for a few days, sure."

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"Sure." He thinks for a bit and then presents her with a suitcase and a stack of bento boxes tied together with ribbon for easy carrying.

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"Thanks.  - Don't suppose I could get a French horn, and, uh, my band folder as it existed three months ago?  And a charger that works with my phone."

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He presents her with all the above.

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She manages to get everything upstairs in one trip, and plays games on her phone for a bit, and remembers she can sing soprano-y songs now and does that for several hours, and pages a bit more through the history books, and plays her French horn, and goes through half the legal pad in crappy doodles and the two pieces of origami she knows how to do, and investigates her cool future computer, and halfheartedly tries to do some tap warmups - and goes back downstairs after three and a half days of that.

"How long was I?"

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"Hm? Uh, twenty minutes?"

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"Neat.  Blood please?"

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Blood.

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Drink.

 

"Huh.  Uh, do you want to stand in the doorway or something while I go talk to him so you know I'm not pulling anything?  - Or, I'm not very clear on Elf reasons for having to be outside; could he just come in for a bit."

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"Elves need to be in pretty places. Outdoors is generally good enough and buildings not designed to their aesthetics usually are not. But he'll be fine inside for a bit, I'll ask him in." He sends a message. Alassëo opens the door a minute later.

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"Hi again.  Uh, so, I figured out a thing, which is that one of the magic powers I have apparently lets me think about a situation and find out what a person would do in it?  So would it be okay with you if I tried to use that to prove your oaths were binding."

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"I don't want to swear any that bind future action. It's not wise."

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"That follows.  I just mean to confirm that you've been telling me the truth."

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"I can give my word that things are true, yes. I'm not sure if your magic will work with only that as a demonstration, but if it will I can do it."

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"Uh, I haven't used it yet so I'm not sure, but it doesn't feel like that would inherently be an issue?"

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"All right. Is there anything in particular you'd like me to say?"

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"Can you start by just describing the mechanics a little more concretely, so I have a better idea of what to aim for."

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"I am physically incapable of saying - with respect to the use-mention distinction, anyway - that I swear something is so, like that I haven't lied to you, if I don't think it is."

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"And what happens for the future actions kind?"

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"If I swear I'll do something then I can't refrain. And if I swear I won't then I can't. If I manage to get into some kind of contradiction the consequences are... reported to be very bad."

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She nods.  "Do you mind if I check that?  It doesn't feel like it has any effects on the real world at all, and - there are things I don't trust about this situation but so far the magic hasn't ever misrepresented how it works even when the way it works is horrible."

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"It sounds fine to me."

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"Thanks."

Hey magic, what happens if Alassëo is back home, where she's not watching and will never find out what happens, and - hm.  Swears to stand in one spot for six hours, and then . . . an earthquake starts up?

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Well that's kind of far-off and poorly specified and contains a few big ifs, so it'll be pretty expensive with the amount of magic she's put into this skill - which is to say, none - but . . .

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He stands there, but depending on how he words it might be able to inform his friends of the situation so they can physically subdue him and carry him off.

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Okay.  And if - nope, okay, considering anything more feels ever so slightly aversive and it's very annoying that she only got this much out of it but she is not screwing around with that.

"Looks like it's going to take me a while to get enough to work with, here.  You can probably head back outside if you want."

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"All right." Off he goes, singing prettily.

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Gosh that's nice.

"Uh, guess I should probably go back upstairs?"

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"If you're hoping for more time dilation it seems your best bet."

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"Well, are you hoping for time dilation."

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"It doesn't make much difference to me."

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"Can I have some more food."

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He comes up with a menu, gives her another stack of bentos.

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Back upstairs!  More waiting around!  She passes time in mostly the same ways but now she can also think at her leftover magic, which is kind of like having someone to talk to except for how it isn't really.  It's a better conversationalist than like, Cleverbot, though.  And doing that lets her notice pretty immediately when the relevant thing stops being aversive.

What happens if Alassëo swears to swear that a particular thing is true and then that particular thing becomes false; she'll try a couple different scenarios in that vein.  And obviously he should still be far away and have no reason to expect that she'll ever learn about his reaction.

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He will... collapse in agony until Cam figures out what's going on and stuffs his mouth full of caramel, apparently.

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Disturbing!  She ends the vision pretty immediately on a flinch reaction and then has to wait most of a day to look at the rest of it because apparently starting these up is more costly than keeping one going, at least for the first while.  She checks variations intermittently until it's time to go downstairs and then she does that.

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Cam is actually not in the main bar at this time, though his stuff still is. He walks in through the back door presently.

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"Hi.  I think I believe oaths exist now."

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"Oh, good. Should I call Alassëo over?"

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"Yeah, if you don't mind."

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Cam opens the door again, summons Alassëo, holds the door for him.

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"Hi.  If you want to swear to things now I'll probably believe them."

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"I'm not sure what in particular you stand in doubt of. I have not lied to you, I so swear."

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"If you could go over everything that happened to the best of your knowledge and then swear you haven't lied, or attempted to mislead me, or left anything out that you'd expect I'd want to know.  And then - a character reference for Cam.  If you would."

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"Everything that happened in - the war?"

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"Yup."

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"...I have some of the songs about it memorized but the songs sometimes bend the facts to suit the scansion. I can try to put it in my own words for you." He collects his thoughts a bit, and then explains the leadup to the war, with where he learned anything he didn't witness himself (most of it) included. He pauses after using the word "evil" and then operationalizes that (mass murder, forcible uploading, horrific torture, compelled reproduction) before going on to use the word without elaboration after all.

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And he'll swear to that?

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After he has explained the whole war with an emphasis on Cam's part in it (specifically noting that Prince Nelyafinwë trusts him and the King is understood to have consulted on the text of the oath) he will swear that's his sincere understanding of the situation!

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"Okay.  Thank you and - I'm sorry."

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"- what for?"

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". . . All?  Of that?"

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"Oh. Thank you."

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She nods.

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"I think that will be all, thank you, Alassëo."

Alassëo nods to him and goes back outside.

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She stares down at her lap for a few moments.

"Do you mind if I still check some stuff about you."

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"Like what?"

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"I'm kind of worried you could like, steer, somehow, if you knew specifically what it would be."

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"So you're asking permission to simulate me in arbitrary situations."

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"I'm willing to narrow it down, just not tell you outright.  Probably.  We could test whether steering works, I guess, and if it doesn't then I would."

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"It occurs to me to wonder if your simulations are by any chance sentient."

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"Uh.  Gosh.  How would you - tell - "

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"I don't know! Presumably if you ask one it'll say it is!"

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"Presumably, yeah!  Um.  Wow I wish this had come up before I apparently maybe tortured like six Alassëos."  She puts her elbows on her knees and clutches her head in her hands.

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"Oh, yikes, I should have thought of this sooner. I can't even say 'at least Melkor had some Alassëos and it was an objectively small fraction of the amount he's been tortured' because he did not personally happen to be captured."

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"Well, are you thinking you're going to torture any simulations of me?"

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"No!!!  It would be - something you'd be glad of, I think.  Most people probably would be and I really don't think you're one of the ones who wouldn't."

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"Well, if my simulation doesn't like it please simulate apologizing before you terminate that fork of me, I guess."

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"I could try and think of something else - I didn't ask if it was alright while unwilling to take no for an answer - "

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"I can't stop you, I can't tell if you do it, I am accordingly trying to cultivate some equanimity about the prospect."

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"That makes sense.  . . . I'd need more blood to do any more; you could just not give me any and confirm with Bar that I haven't gotten any from her, if you wanted to.  You'd have to take my word on some of that, but, y'know, less - "

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"Remind me why you wish to simulate me doing anything at all?"

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"I am pretty much all the way convinced you're a good person but you could still be pulling some sort of ridiculously long and convoluted con, and - well, it seemed like a cheap test when I thought of it - "

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"Uh-huh. What's your plan B?"

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"I said I'd try and think of one, not that I already had one.  I could - see if it lets me run me, poke at that a bit, see if any signs of non-personhood fall out; I - could try and just accept that you're probably not running a ridiculously long and convoluted con, at this point - "

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"I have not asked you for anything! Please feel free to be very suspicious of me if I should suggest you take up selling Amway products."

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"Okay."

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"I'm glad that's settled." He resists the urge to suggest she offer Alassëo eyeliner.

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"I guess so."

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"What's next on the agenda, then?"

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"I have no idea.  I guess this is the part where I apologize?  I'm sorry I tried to kill you and I'm glad it didn't work.  Even though that didn't actually have anything to do with this.  And I'm the other kind of sorry about the war and what you had to do to end it; and you can cash in that non-murder-attempt hug about it now if you want to though understandably you might not.  And I'm the first kind of sorry again about maybe torturing Alassëo and definitely not being careful enough about not doing that.  I mean, I guess I mostly didn't have the concepts to be able to think of that before today?  But still.  And I'm sorry for - generally being a paranoid nuisance who probably has done much more harm than she's prevented."  She pauses, considering.  "And I'm the second kind of sorry about you thinking Ancora would be able to solve the Maiar resurrections and then not having that be the case anymore."

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"Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll pass on the hug."

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"Sure.  - Do you think I should apologize to Alassëo?  I mean, obviously it's apology-worthy, but - I don't know whether I'd want to be told, if it were me and if it'd already happened and there was nothing I could do about it and it wasn't going to happen again.  And if it wasn't even clear whether, in fact . . ."

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"I can look up his advance directive for if he were to be captured and see if that sheds any light." He pulls his computer off his belt and checks. "My guess is don't mention it."

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"Okay, I won't.  Thanks.  Uh, were you intending to cut me off from blood or not - it'd be reasonable but I would like to know either way - "

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"You could always ask Nechar or run up a tab with Bar, I don't feel the need to symbolically protest at this time." He presents her with a glass of blood.

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"Thanks."  She drinks.

Without actually trying anything, can she tell whether she'd be able to run a version of herself?

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What?  No.  She's already herself; why would she want to do that.

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Uh, reasons.  She's . . . bad at introspection?  And wants to know what she'd do in dire circumstances.  Like how she thought she wouldn't be able to go through with trying to murder someone; if she'd known that she could, maybe she wouldn't have doubled down so hard so early out of feeling like she was just trying to get out of it.

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Ehn.  Tough luck.

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She sighs and finishes the last of her glass.  "Could I please have a conjured burger.  And some fries."

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"What fixings do you like on those?"

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"I don't think I remember what normally goes on them; I haven't had one since like sixth grade.  Uh . . . not?  Onions?  - Ketchup and/or vinegar would be good for the fries."

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Plain burger, basket of fries, side of ketchup.

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"Thanks!"  Gosh, hot meals eaten not-in-your-bedroom are underrated.  Or possibly the correct amount of rated by everyone pushing the importance of family dinners and previously underrated by her personally.

Once she's done: "Was there anything else for right now, do you think."

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"Not that I know of."

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"Great.  Uh, see you later, I guess."

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"Bye. Let me know if you need more blood or whatever."

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"Yeah, thanks; I will."

She has to remind herself, going upstairs, that she intends to come back down as soon as she feels like it, and that this will definitely be after an amount of time best measured in hours and not days.

She takes off her shoes and lies on her bed and closes her eyes and hugs a pillow, and puts on the complete symphonic recording of Les Misérables, and cries about that instead of any of the actual things going on that are worth crying about. She doesn't start immediately but once she hits "I Dreamed a Dream" she just kind of keeps going even through the comic relief parts.

At some point she dozes off, ish.  It feels like she's still mulling over everything but there are definitely some songs that she doesn't remember hearing this time so probably that's what's happening.

 

- And then, halfway through what must be her second listen, something clicks and she's suddenly very awake and slipping into her sneakers without bothering to get her heels in properly and going downstairs without bothering to wash the having-cried off her face.

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Cam is looking over the blueprints of buildings in an Elf city that was bombed to hell during the war.

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"Cam!  Are you, um, interruptable - "  She leans against a wall, starts putting on her shoes properly.

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"- yes? Are... you okay?"

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"Yep!  Maybe!"  She's speaking rather quickly.  " - Um, do you think, uh, the - Security, if - they were people, the simulations, would - ?"

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"Maybe, or maybe being in a simulation doesn't count as being in the Security-covered area, I guess it bears asking Bar..."

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She nods several times rapidly and hops over, one-shoed, to address Bar.  "Hi."

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Hello, how can I help you?

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"Um, I don't know how much context you've overheard - "

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I try not to eavesdrop too much.

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"That makes sense.  Um, so, I have a magic thing that lets me do - a very narrow sort of precognition?  And we thought that there was a chance that the people in it might be, you know, real people, with thoughts and qualia and stuff, and it occurred to me that if that were the case then maybe Security would have stopped me from making and sort-of killing them while I was down here."

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Yes, virtual people simulated by magic or computation count as within Security's purview.

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"Oh thank god."  She puts her face in her hands again and makes a clumsy, distracted attempt at sliding the relevant napkin in Cam's direction.

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"That's... a relief, yeah. If you still want my permission to sim me in innocuous situations I guess you can have it."

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"Thanks.  - Elaborate on innocuous?"

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"Uh, please don't simulate, like, sudden emergencies somehow necessitating that I tell you all my deepest secrets or violate my confidences. I guess it's okay if you find out in simulation what my favorite color is and if you don't do the emergency part I will be rather suspicious of any very personal questions considering I know you have this ability. I guess don't simulate me not knowing you have this ability."

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"Sure.  Sounds reasonable."

This is probably going to be very expensive and also it will likely only give useful information if she lets it run a while, so - she'll keep going a little past the point of aversiveness.  She's been very careful so far; she can probably afford whatever happens when you do that.

What does Cam do with omnipotence.

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He puts Valinor back - right now it's not in the same place, the constellations are different, with omnipotence he clears the old site and puts it there, good as new, Elves and Maiar and animals and all but no Valar, and then he goes to Endorë, puts back all the dead, fails to find a reason to leave Melkor alive, has a tense moment when it turns out Sauron has a deadman switch, omnipotently deals with that, arranges for all the Dwarves and humans on the planet to perform a summoning apiece and then waits for someone to die of natural causes and then her simulation runs out.

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She thinks for a bit.

 

"I trust you enough to accept a brain computer and legs and stuff if you still feel like giving me those and to not flip out if you want me to do something."

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"- okay. I'd want to have the infirmary lady spotting me in case vampirism affects things. - what did you, uh, do?"

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"Yeah, you said that.  Watched what you'd do if omnipotent."

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"Oh. Did I get around to anything more interesting than war reparations?"

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"It all sorta fell under that umbrella, I think.  Uh, you killed Melkor and Sauron but Sauron had a deadman switch you had to take care of first.  And then you did stuff I didn't have context for for a while, and it looked like you were going to keep at that so I stopped."

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"...good to know Sauron has a deadman switch, I will have to tell some people in case they're working on a way to kill him themselves. How reliable is that information?"

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"I mean, I'm counting on it being pretty reliable with regards to trusting you and oaths and everything?  But like, I don't know, I didn't even know they weren't people half an hour ago.  If you want me to try and run him, later, I could give that a go; I'm more confident about it being right about people it's - targeting, or whatever."

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"It might be disturbing but apparently you kept going after you got one Alassëo into a pickle so maybe you have a strong stomach."

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"I mean, the strength of my stomach doesn't really seem like an important consideration here, compared to the stakes.  If it's bad enough that I drop out on reflex I'll prepare better and try again later; it doesn't really matter whether I can do it first shot if we have infinite time."

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"True enough."

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"Not that I super want to stay here for fifty years and then go back and potentially have to try to attend college having forgotten what the Cupid Shuffle is and how to do the cup song and whatever.  But this in particular doesn't seem likely to take that long."

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"There's no guarantee you'll find somebody here who can help you - deal with Ancora in some suitable way - after any particular amount of time."

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"I know.  Although, like, given that we are now on the same side - do you have any idea whether just wrecking all the stuff you did for them would do anything?  Or something along those lines; I'm not really sure of the mechanics here."

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"I don't know. Making it helped but I don't know if its continued existence in a time dilated pocket universe is still helping."

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She nods.  "I wonder if simulating them would shed any light on anything.  I'm less inclined to trust it since, you know, they made it and could have messed with the results for them specifically, but maybe it's still possible to get useful information out of if we account for that."

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"Sounds worth a try."

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"Yeah.  What's your updated eval for where they fall on the scale of evil versus just weird and incompetent?"

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"I'm pretty stably at 'weird and incompetent' - helps that you aren't simulating people, actually - but they could be intractably weird and incompetent, which is much like being evil."

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"Totes mcgoats.  By 'intractable', do you mean - do you think that would be shaped more like it not being safe to have them help with anything, or like it being impossible to deter them from trying to 'help'."

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"...little of column A, little of column B. Their species, if they are to believed not to be an outright pathological liar, subsists on making art; they seem to be irregular in what forms of media they appreciate but it does make giving it up a slightly different proposition than telling somebody intent on sprucing up their college applications to cut it out with the haphazard voluntourism."

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"How - receptive to feedback, did they seem in general?"

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"I didn't have much cause for complaint till you appeared on the scene but I wasn't, like, spending a lot of time on vampire project critique."

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She nods.  " - Did you mean something non-obvious by the fact it helped that the simulations aren't people?  Like beyond that it's obviously evil to allow thinking beings to be made and harmed and destroyed that easily, and they didn't do that."

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"They didn't do that and it could be that they exerted effort to not do that, though I don't know, it could also be that it would have been like so by default."

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"Mmhm."  She checks her phone.  "How 'very poof' is computer brain surgery; it's kind of late for me and I don't know whether it's the sort of thing you have to rest after, or if you shouldn't sleep right after it or - anything like that."

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"Assuming vampires are like humans, you will experience no discomfort or side effects, though you will have to train your computer on how you think before you can use it and will experience ongoing performance improvements over time in general and per software application."

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"Nifty."

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"Chiplocks are a good invention. Do you have a preference between Nechar and the infirmary lady for who spots you?"

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"Infirmary seems more the thing, wouldn't you say?"

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"In principle yes, but Nechar has healing powers and is far more able to hold a conversation."

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"Well now I'm curious, but maybe mostly not in a way where I'm inspired to put my life in her hands."

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"Supposedly the infirmary is categorically adequate the way security is. Up to you, lead the way."

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She heads for the infirmary.

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"Show me where you're hurt," says a middle-aged woman in the infirmary wearing a blue dress.

"Wait a moment please," Cam tells her. "Ready?" he asks Judy.

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"Yep."

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He hands her a computer like his. The infirmary lady regards them patiently. After a beat, he tells the infirmary lady, "Thank you," and holds the door for Judy.

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"Thanks," she echoes, and walks through.  Directed at Cam: "And to you too."

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"No problem. Computer's loaded up with an English-language tutorial when you turn it on. It's that switch."

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"Swell.  And is there a - leg?  Catalog?"

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"You want a catalog leg as opposed to just the mirror image of your live one?"

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"I've already come around to being a cyborg and I think I'll like it even more with cool future legs, even if they aren't that cool comparatively.  And also in the event that I have to go back with any sort of masquerade still up I don't really want to have to either explain a new one or take it off again."

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"I'll find you a catalog, then." He has some conjure-rummaging to do and then he presents her with a suitable glossy magazine.

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"Thank you!  G'night."

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"Sleep well."

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She starts paging through the catalog on the way up the stairs and then is distracted from training her computer by keeping on doing that.  Future legs are in fact very cool, and more than that the fact that price is not at all a concern is fantastic.  Probably she should go for one generally functional one and one fancy artsy one that doesn't pass as a human leg, and - wow.  She would probably never have realized that she really really wanted a digitigrade one that made her a solid two feet taller (with a matching stilt-boot thing for the other side - does she want to get rid of her other flesh leg for this no she does not actually, even if it's sort of tempting) if it were not right in front of her, but now she super wants that more than basically any other selfish thing.

Once she's gone through it once she will boot up her computer.  - Hopefully this is not the sort of thing that both takes a really long time and isn't interruptable.  Oh well.

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The computer wants her to try willing certain menu items to be selected, and drawing lines in various directions, and navigating a sample file structure, and stuff like that. Since it's telling her what to try to do, it responds accurately but not always promptly or smoothly.

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That's so cool!!!  Very satisfying when it works.  She'd decided a while back to try and keep with the clock on her phone, because having a sense of stability is probably important in this situation, but she did nap earlier so she can stay up a little late messing around with it.

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The tutorial is over before too long - it also introduces her to the file structure and basic features of the operating system - and then it spits her out into the default screen with the default apps and Cam's included library.

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What's in the library?

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Something called "Library of Hell 2150 Essentials Collection", all the entries tagged with things like whether they're fiction or nonfiction, dates of publication, and media type.

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. . . It will still be there in the morning.  She sleeps.

And when her morning comes, she concludes that it will also still be there after she gets her NEW LEGS, and goes downstairs.

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Cam is talking to Alassëo about something at the bar while Alassëo collects a pretty lunchbox from him. They look over when she comes down.

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She waves and sits down a medium distance away, and pages through her catalog some more.

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She could get a leg covered in tiny projectors like the one her computer has which makes it look like a meat leg, or a steampunk leg, or display light shows on holidays, or have messages marquee across it. She can get a full-time steampunk leg. She can get a leg that can deploy a magnet functionality for spacewalks.

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The future is coooooool.  She can definitely keep herself occupied until she's approached.

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"Morning," says Cam, when Alassëo's gone back outside, "you look cheery."

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" - Sorry."

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"I wasn't, uh, rebuking you for looking cheery."

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"Oh.  This stuff is just really neat, is all."

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"The legs? Sure are. What kind do you want? Or do you want a few to swap out?"

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"And the computer.  I would love a few to swap out; could I start with these?"  She turns to the page with the very tall(!) digitigrade(!!!) ones and points to them.

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"...sure." Legs.

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Legs!!  She hops on a booth table to put them on.

When she leans forward to stand up, she leans right back and plants her palms firmly on the tabletop.  " - Uh.  Could I get some skating gear, please?  Like a helmet and knee pads and stuff."

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"Sure." He supplies her with various protective equipment. It looks interestingly futuristic; they have learned to pack a lot of protection into small and stylish spaces.

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She examines these for a moment before equipping them, then attempts to stand up, putting a lot of her weight on the corner of the booth.

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The leg is as intuitive as it can get but it's still inherently kind of ridiculous.

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That's fair.  On the plus side now she is very tall and also a DINOSAUR.  A dinosaur who is making her way very slowly, holding onto the booths and then with a hand on the wall, trying to remember useful things from when she learned to skate.

Eventually she's a dinosaur taking very careful steps out into the open, and then a dinosaur worried that maybe being this gleeful is inappropriate given the entire situation, and then one deciding that she should probably figure out what shape of feelings she endorses going forward sometime when she's less precariously situated, and then she's a dinosaur falling over and about to hit her face on a table.

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Pillow.

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Oomph.  She props herself up on her elbows.  "Thanks!"

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"You're welcome. Having fun?"

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"Yeah."

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"I'm glad. Do you want, like, exercise mats or something?"

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"I mean, I'll be fine if I just keep away from the tables and stuff, right?"  She knocks on her helmet and wobblily stands up the rest of the way.  "Do you know if Security or whatever does anything for this sort of thing, or is that just for when it's interpersonal."

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"My understanding is interpersonal but you could ask."

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Judy looks at the distance from her to the security office and the furniture items occupying that space.  "Maybe later."  She scoops up the pillow to hold in front of her and continues practicing in a clearer area.

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Cam goes back to waiting for a solution to his problems to walk in the door.

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She does laps for a while with only a few more falls, which she manages to get either the pillow or the safety gear in between her and the floor for, then makes her way back to the booth and sits down.  "So, just want to make sure we're on the same page here, the plan for now insofar as there is one is to learn more about Sauron's deadman switch and Ancora's whole deal via me simming them, right?  And presumably that's more convenient for you if I go off and aim for time dilation, since that seems to have been working pretty favorably so far."

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"I'm not in a hurry but it would have results faster from my perspective, yes."

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"Okay.  Right now I want to be really careful with the sim thing since I pushed it a lot earlier, so at the moment I'm more bottlenecked on that specifically than on magic in general if there's anything you want done."

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"Like what else are you seeing this being handy for?"

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"Uh, I don't know, probably Nechar could cover any physical tweaks you might want better than I could - if you want any stereotypical, like, vampire things I can maybe do those, like strength or reflexes or not needing to eat or whatever.  Personally before I came here I was putting everything into teleportation but I don't think I could let you do that yourself if you don't wanna get drunk from?  Uh, aging stuff; I kind of get the impression you don't need that but if you do.  Memory, attentional capacity, quick thinking . . ."

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"I trip more than most people when I walk and can't get far if I try to run. Wouldn't turn down the last things either. What effects does drinking from somebody have?"

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"As far as I know it mostly just gives you your own pool of magic to work with.  Then again, I also thought doing magic to somebody who'd never had it done to them before just did whatever the thing was, and apparently that also gives them a soul or whatever.  Not that you have that in particular to worry about since you would've gotten one when I.  Uh."

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"It doesn't seem to have done me any harm."

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"Well, that's good.  If you want to risk it I'm fine with enabling that.  - I'm way less sure about it not doing whatever you wanted it not to do if you actually vamp, so probably avoid that although I obviously continue to not be your mom."

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"I do not wish to be a vampire. I enjoy being a demon."

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"I dunno whether I actually expect those to be mutually exclusive but yeah it's kind of a lot to risk."

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"Yeah. But just having magic done to me is a done deal."

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"Do you want to try having your blood drunk or nah?  Given that you don't actually have to aim for vampirism with that."

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"By 'do not have to aim' do you mean 'do not have to risk'?"

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"You're not going to become a vampire accidentally, and I have no particular reason to think that having your blood drank does anything but give you magic, but there could still hypothetically be something?"

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"I'm also not sure how it'll taste, I do have blood but I do not fundamentally run on biology."

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" - Gosh, okay.  And, uh, is bleeding even something you can do?  You seemed pretty - tough, before."

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"I can be injured if allow it, it just stays shallow and heals fast by default."

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"Well.  If the taste is so extraordinarily bad that I absolutely can't stand it then we'll have to figure something else out?  I'm not going to not give it a try on the risk of that alone."

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"How much does this increase the options of what magic you can perform, here?"

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"Not at all?  If I'm understanding you right."

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"It gives me my own pool of magic but you can do the things you listed for me without it and they will still work?"

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"Yeah.  Less than if you do them yourself, maybe?  Not the teleport, like I said.  And I guess there's other things it's useful to be able to do yourself whenever you need, like shapeshifting or temporary but more powerful cognitive boosts.  - You might actually be able to get further with the sims than me, in the short term."

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"Oh? Why?"

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"So, when I do magic, some of that goes towards doing whatever the thing is, and some of it goes towards making me better at doing that thing in the future?  And there are limits on how much better I can get at once, before it gets aversive.  And sangrades - that's the word I guess for people with their own magic who aren't vampires - can't get better, magically, at doing magic, so there's no aversion and they're using all of their juice to actually do the thing.  And I don't think I've done enough to be at the point where I'd outpace that yet."

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"Huh. ...times like this I wish I could consult Ancora."

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"It would be nice in some ways."

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"I'll think about it, I'm not in a terrible hurry."

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"Yeah, 'course.  Did you want any of the things I can give you now?"

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"Sure, I'd try out the magic nootropics if that's convenient."

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"What aspect, they're separate.  And permanent or temporary?"

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"I would prefer to try them temporarily before having them permanently installed in my brain, and, oh, let's say attentional capacity."

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"There you go."

The amount of space in Cam's head is: more.

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"- neat, thank you. I was so disappointed when I couldn't install that the way Elves do on their chips."

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"Oh, yeah, that'd be convenient.  I think this one should last you a few hours."

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"Maybe I'll see if it makes me better at any of my usual activities." He picks up his violin.

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She settles in to listen in quietly-excited anticipation and after a moment makes the face of someone having heard a bad pun.

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He winks at her, once, and plays the offending tune.

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It's easier than usual!  He could play it faster than he would have been able to ten minutes ago even though he's not actually any quicker; he can hold more of what's coming up next in his head and prepare well for it.  It feels like maybe he could accompany himself on another violin if only he had the arms to play it with, at least if the part were relatively simple.  As it is he could probably sing along with more complex arrangements than he's normally capable of.

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Judy golf-claps when he finishes.  "See, I hadn't considered you might be a giant nerd."

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"I had a lot of downtime, I wanted to pick up an instrument, I thought 'well, why not'... The boost is really nice, I like it a lot."

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"Magic is really great, yeah.  Except when it's really awful.  - Wait, by that do you mean that's the reason you started playing in the first place?  That's terrible."  She's grinning.  "Not that I really have a leg to stand on given that my reason was the band director being like, 'We could use another French horn' when I was in fifth grade."

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"That's a legit reason, the band had another French horn and you had a decision procedure. And yes, that's why I picked up violin. - I might need to recalibrate my chiplock, if I'm going to be altering my brain much." He puts the violin down, picks the computer up.

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It responds less smoothly than he's used to.

"Um, I don't know if I would just yet - if you're doing the permanent ones, I thiiiiiink those will probably be way less than this?  Like as in maybe there won't even be a noticeable difference until I've done it a few times and it's accumulated a bit."

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"There's slack built into it for people being in different moods or states of intoxication or whatever, plus you're supposed to recalibrate it every few years anyway because people change as time passes, but if I'm going to get several permanent enhancements I want to recalibrate very frequently as they come in and definitely between getting any two of them so it can keep up."

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"That makes sense."

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Cam recalibrates his computer.

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Judy goes back to not skipping leg day while he does.  When he looks done, she sits back down and says, "Probably this is the part where I disappear upstairs again for a while?  - Uh, after getting legs that are not terrifying wonderful dinosaur legs."  She pulls out the catalog and points to the projector one and also a metal peg one meant for tap dancing.  "And also maybe some regular tap shoes and something to put on the floor in my room so I don't have to worry about scuffing it up."

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Cam can get her a rolled-up danceable floor covering and some more legs.

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And so she can go upstairs to wait out her cooldown.

This time, it's mostly exciting instead of dreadful because now she can check out the library!  - Probably Cam wouldn't have given her access to things he didn't want her to have, so presumably there's either not stuff about summoning in here or she's earned enough rapport that she's allowed to know how that works now, but she should still probably close the tab on anything that mentions demons in more than a passing sense until she can ask.  And also maybe keep to things from before 2006.  That should still give her way more than she could possibly go through in a few days, right?

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Far far more!

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Yay!!  Then she will watch musicals - wow there are so many recordings of musicals - and read fanfic and do tap and go on walks through the halls on her tall tall legs and sing and go back downstairs.  "Hiya; how long was that?"

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"Forty minutes, my boost hasn't even worn off yet." Cam is eating Peking duck and mashed potatoes with onions.

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"Rad.  Um, something occurred to me, which is that - I have no clue how likely each of these is, but what if, one, Maiar can get vampire souls; two, simming something they show up in but that targets someone else doesn't give them one; three, targeting them directly does; and four, Sauron having a vampire soul would be in some way, uh, bad."

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"...in what way would Sauron having a vampire soul be bad, do you have a general model of that?"

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"Not really?  Uh, it makes humans eventually resurrectable, right, and I guess Ancora can already get Maiar but maybe this would let more people do it someday, possibly accidentally, or give him a way to bring himself back, or become harder to kill or unkillable in the first place.  Mostly I'm just - trying to avoid doing irreversible things we don't know the effects of, on principle.  Or like, it could still be worth it, but it seemed important to at least bring up."

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"Can we test whether you can give, say, Alassëo, such a soul, if he's up for it?"

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"I don't know how to perceive them or whether it's even possible for vampires to.  I could try."

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"I'd ask Nechar but his power set is not very - sensory - does it have any other effects, a soul of that kind -"

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"I don't know.  You talked to Ancora more than I did and I had no clue they even existed until Ancora mentioned them.  - Also I guess they could hypothetically not exist at all, who knows."

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"Yeah, I suppose it's possible Ancora was bullshitting."

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"I'll defer to your judgement on that."

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"I really don't know. Maybe if we wait long enough the security shift will change and we can get help from someone else, or someone will walk in the door."

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"I mean, I'm not thinking of any reasons why I shouldn't sim Ancora; there's still that.  Maybe once we've done it enough, it'll make sense to let them back in and we can just ask.  Or do that via sims."

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"Oh, yeah, simming Ancora is a good idea, we could ask all kinds of things."

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"Do you have any idea of what kind of things we should?  I don't really know how to account for the fact that they made the system and could have tweaked what it shows about them; how do we get information that's useful regardless of that.  Or even just regular lying, without oaths - I guess I could see what they do with omnipotence - "

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"I assume they make beautiful art. With vampires in it. We could just try confronting them all different ways with - inconsistencies, vampirism-related drawbacks - see what holds across simulations."

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"Even if they just make beautiful art with vampires in it, it seems telling whether their chosen medium is something reasonable or, like, people.  But yeah, that definitely sounds good too."

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"Do you have the juice to do this again like now, or are we just brainstorming for later?"

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"I'll need some blood but then I'm good to go."

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Glass of blood.

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She downs it.  "Was that a yes on the omnipotence or do you think it should be something else to start with."

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"It seems informative but I'm also curious about what if we just let them back into Milliways."

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"Oh, true."  A pause.  "Teleports in with my cat, makes sure the door's shut quickly, comments on my hair being longer, asks if you can dance now.  Elaborates when asked that it's because they can see you have a soul.  Tells me I should make you able to dance.  Asks why you have a soul and why my hair is longer.  - And then that's it; I don't know how we respond to that."

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"You can make me able to dance?"

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"It can do grace, yeah."

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"Wouldn't turn it down. What happens if we give you a haircut and you have already rendered me able to dance first?"

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"Yeah, see, that's the thing; I can't check now, I'm on a cooldown; it's super annoying.  Or like I could but I'm being really careful about not pushing it.  - And huh, that one was shorter than I think I would have expected even given that I'm being super careful?  I wonder if it's because it was of Ancora."

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"Why would they be more expensive to simulate?"

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"My thought was that maybe they did it on purpose so people couldn't predict them as well?  I don't know, it's just a guess."

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"If they were doing that couldn't they just make it not work on them at all?"

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"Probably.  In any case, I can run the other one in a while from upstairs.  - We should make a list."  She opens a new file on her computer and puts that in.

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"Maybe get in simulated contact with the other ones of the species?"

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She takes that down, along with the omnipotence.  "Did they mention any individuals at all?  I don't know what the threshold is for how much information I need to target someone, but I bet I can't do 'a random member of this species'."

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"They didn't but Ancora probably has a parent, is that enough to go on?"

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She makes the probably-not-actually-universal 'I don't know' hum.  "I'll give it a go.  I should ask about simming Sauron and sangrading you at some point even though we don't yet know whether they're trustable."

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"Agreed. And about your long term concerns about vampirism in the population."

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"And why they did weird telepathy at me instead of asking or even telling me they were going to port me here.  And whether vampires can sense souls.  And checking their reaction if we say to back off from all this.  - That's probably more than I'll be able to get to before I come down again, though obviously we can keep brainstorming."

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"Yeah, that's kind of the point of a list. - you can try to find out if Alassëo has a vampire soul since you did simulate him but haven't done other magic to him."

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Typety type.  Metaphorically.  Whatever you call typing when it's with your mind and not your fingers.  (Brain computers are so freaking awesome; she's zero percent over how cool they are yet.)

"Uh, can I like, future-Google-Docs share this with you?  Or oh, how would that even work with the time thing; maybe I shouldn't."

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"I don't see it being a problem - here -" A dialog pops up for her to accept to unlock and sync-share the document.

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Byoop.

"Another thing - this has got the Library of Hell on it," she waves the computer, "and I just wanted to double-check and make sure that was like.  Good.  Even though I assume you totally wouldn't have put it there if it wasn't."

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"I mean... Bar can also get you those things."

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"Okay right but we're on the same side now?  So like, uh, I was avoiding stuff where I might learn how summoning works, should I continue to do that or do you think it's safe now or."

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"You should know more than a little bit about it before you try it but, y'know, it worked out fine when it was unleashed on my original planet."

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"Awesomesauce.  I wasn't really planning on trying it; I just wanted to know whether I ought to keep restricting my reading material to the demonless."

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"You may consume demonic fiction, enjoy."

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"I shall.  Do you want like, half an hour of danceability?  I'm not itching to burn magic this time or anything, but probably that much won't really make a difference."

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"- sure, I'll try it out."

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She clicks her tongue.

Standing upright without falling over is: easier.

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Cam attempts a little box step.

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He succeeds!

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"Thank you."

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"You're welcome!  If you want to stack me up on food again I'll go get to work on the sims."

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Food stack.

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And she leaves him to it.  Comes back down after five subjective days.

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He's not in the bar when she comes down.

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She . . . peers outside?

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He's flying, doing loops and - dance moves, if you assume those can be done in flight.

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Aww.  Yeah, she does assume that.  Probably not tap, though.  - Or, maybe you can do really amazing tap in flight, off walls and things.  She makes a note to look that up later and sits down in the grass; she's not going to interrupt.

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(Cam isn't superhumanly graceful like this but it sure feels like it in comparison.

The contrast is equally notable when it cuts out, thirty-some minutes after he got it.)

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"- yeep!" He catches himself and swirls down to a landing.

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"Hi!  How was it?"

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"It was neat! I'm not a brilliant aerial ballerino but it wasn't an exercise in futility."

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"That's good at least.  I did some stuff; you can check the file about it whenever."

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He pulls his computer off his belt loop and has a look.

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  • Open door for Ancora w/ hair trim + grace
    • Port, cat, door; same as last time.  They ask more directly about how much time has passed, seem to know that it was more than they expected, respond cryptically when asked how.  We don't give concrete answers about why the delay; they ask about your soul and about dancing, then if you want to dance, then start to teach you some steps
  • Others of species?  Parent
    • That's apparently possible to target by; also, their parent is a floating shiny orb thing?????  It seems to give off light, but only perpendicular to whatever angle you're viewing it from???????  It's black and purple and has stars in it and did not respond in any way to communication attempts from me.  Artist's rendition; sorry for graphic design is my passion:

Judy's rendition of Ancora's parent

It looks like she made the image in a drawing app on her phone and then took a picture of that with the chiplock.

    • Doesn't respond to communication from you either
    • Ancora takes a couple seconds to stare at them and then teleports away if I try to sim them appearing near it
    • If I target the parent and run Ancora as an environmental feature, I can get them to ??talk?? to each other.  It didn't cut off early or anything but I sure didn't understand any of it
  • Omnipotence
    • The first thing they did was make like a thousand of themself, which maxed me out immediately (ouch) (this was the most recent thing I did) (very ominous!)
    • I'll probably try to focus on just one version next time, or give them omnipotence minus duplication
  • Sauron
  • Sangrade Cam
  • Societal vampiric threats
  • Kidnapping
    • They act confused in response to being asked about only telepathying me before porting the two of us, claim they spoke the same way they always do. Apologize but don't raise any ideas for explanations, even with prompting. Comment about having worried about that sort of thing?? They elaborate on that but not helpfully
  • Souls
  • Back off
  • Alasayo (sp??) soul
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"Well, this is... interesting but not conclusive, rats. Uh, I'd render it as A-L-A-S-S-E-O but like he'd spell it in tengwar so don't sweat it."

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She updates the spelling.  "Yeah.  Did they like, mention that the rest of their species is orbs, or that something's going on with their parent, or anything like that?"

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"They did not mention that their species is orbs! You could try for a grandparent, see if it's a common design choice."

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"Good thought.  If they are - well, my first thought is that Ancora's doing some sort of anglerfish thing, to mislead people, but charitably maybe they're just like.  A furry."

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"If I had to guess they design themselves avatars and Ancora leans kinda furry and their parent leans orb, yeah."

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"Huh, maybe.  I can probably also just ask them about it, in addition to checking other relatives.  Any thoughts on the telepathy?"

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"You hadn't met them before, right? Maybe Milliways 'translates' the telepathy, we could ask Bar."

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" - That would explain some things.  Let's."

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Milliways does not normally translate things that would be understandable to the recipient on their own, reports Bar when asked.

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"I mean I definitely couldn't understand whatever they were doing before."

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Then it seems likely that the translation effect extended to cover it.

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"Thanks for the info."  To Cam: "I still might ask them about it, depending on how the other ones go.  - Also this probably answers the question I had about whether there was something up with the language settings for my brain computer."

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"- oh, I guess it would look very odd if you tried switching to Spanish or something and it then did not look like Spanish."

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"Mostly I was wondering if media in other languages was getting filtered out.  - Oh, shoot, guess that probably means I'm not coming out of this fluent in a bunch of languages even if it takes fifty years; that's fun.  Unless there's a way to turn it off?  I don't super want to lose all my French . . ."

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"Parlez-vous Français?"

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"Un peu - hm, and it didn't catch, like, the extremely copious amount of 'Monsieur's in Les Mis or Phantom - sorry, I'll work this out on my own, also extremely copious, time."

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"Maybe it doesn't translate if you already know it," he shrugs. "Would make it hard to learn more though."

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"Yeah.  - Speaking of, though - it's not just demons?  I didn't know it wasn't just demons."

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"Oh, there are angels and fairies and also dead people who don't get fancy powers."

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" - Oh?  I didn't come across anything about the dead people I don't think.  Uh, then again I thought I had successfully avoided learning about summoning before you greenlit that, but it turns out I totally didn't because I didn't know to tab away from stuff with angels, so who knows really."

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"I guess that's fair. The dead people aren't common knowledge among the living so there's less about them, though the Library of Hell does contain their own works."

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"How do dead people become . . . people, instead of just corpses?  For that matter you said that you got, um, successfully murdered, right, and you obviously have demon powers - "

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"I do! I left a completely unremarkable corpse on the floor of my lecture hall and appeared stark naked in Dite, a city in Hell. That's how Limboites work too but they also appear with a thing that is as indestructible as they are and is in some way suited to them; a lot of early people got trees but these days it's more like a house, musical instrument, your dog - regardless of whether the original dog is still alive - I heard of someone with a popcorn machine. Daeva - that's demons angels and fairies - can also spontaneously generate in that way only without a prior history to match. As adults though."

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"I'd heard about the spontaneous generation - that's very interesting but I meant less mechanically and more, like - hm . . . what's the selection criteria, for becoming one of these four types of being, instead of just staying dead."

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"Summoners become a daeva, which kind determined by we're not sure but I'd guess a sort of personality mapping onto the magic type with most people being fairies, and everybody else who dies in my original world goes to Limbo."

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"Oh, wow, everyone -

 

. . . Ancora's stated motivation that it was bad that people were permanently dying, right?"

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"Yes, but I don't know if people can plug into my system from other universes even if you have them all summon daeva. Also my door opens to New Valinor."

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"Still seems like it'll be pretty telling to sim pitching them the idea, see if they're good with it or just want everyone to be vampires."

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"Yeah, that's a good idea."

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Note note.  "Anything else for this time around?"

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"Nothing springs to mind."

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"Okay.  See you hopefully pretty shortly, on your end."  And upstairs - yes, upstairs, one foot in front of the other; she's totally capable of walking out of the bar and she can mope about how lonely she is in her room, where it won't bother the person who is much much more successful at morality than she is and has been through a lot worse things than she has.

She does that.

The novelty of the library has worn off a lot even though she's gone through a negligible fraction of its content.  Maybe she needs something more intellectual; she starts a course each in biology, chemistry, and summoning.  That helps.  She pokes at the translation effect via French.  That doesn't, really.

And after four days, she still has magic left but the most recent sim gave her important enough information that she decides to share this round's file with Cam.

Sauron:  Ancora claims they'd need to see a Maia to be able to tell.  Simming them meeting a Maia fails to work.  They claim that it's true that targeting someone generally gives them a soul while appearing in someone else's sim doesn't.

Demon/sangrade interactions:  They say they don't expect it to cause any problems; when asked how confident they were, they raised the idea of trying it on a different demon first.

Species:  Ancora's grandparent is a crystal bipyramid.  Their great-grandparent is a woven metal ring.

Revelation: They claim to not directly want the world to be vampires, and say they'd be satisfied with another solution to death.  They were adamant that everyone who wants to be a vampire should get the chance to become one.

Omnipotence:  Starting with one copy of them immediately after it's made shows that they're jumping to and freezing time in as many universes as possible.  The one I watched stayed in Milliways to ask you for advice.  Checked if you thought the time-pausing was an okay idea (while still doing it, though), then asked logistical questions about fixing Valinor and did that, following your specifications.  Paused Arda and started asking the two of us what they should do about my world.

 

. . . Probably sending the file synched their time flows, didn't it.  And maybe it makes more sense to keep that bit of magic on hand for dealing with new questions than to stay up here answering older ones.

She triple-checks that this logic makes sense on its own and isn't, at least, transparently motivated by selfishness, and tamps down hard on the hope that maybe this will be the last round, and goes downstairs.

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Cam is designing imaginary cities in a program on his computer. "Hey, Judy."

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"Hey."  That probably wasn't an intentional reference and even if it was she's definitely not going to snip about it.  "How long was that; are you still good on the attentional capacity?"

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"Nah, it cut out a bit ago, it's been like six hours."

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"Gosh, okay.  Uh, do you want that back, or the permanent version, or - did you see the file - "

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"Yeah, couple hours back, it's interesting - pausing the universes doesn't seem out of line to me though it of course depends on what their plans and contingencies there were - how does simming them meeting a Maia fail to work exactly?"

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"It just didn't - go, at all.  It took a little magic to try but not enough that I couldn't do another one right after."

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"Do you suppose it might help to have a specific one in mind?"

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"Could try."

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"Huan is a Maia who likes to behave like a dog and hangs out with Tyelcormo, one of the Noldo princes."

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A pause.

 

"Yeah - I should've thought of that - it looks like if they have a biological body, they get a soul.  If they don't, they don't, and Ancora thinks that they might be able to get a new soul per body if there are ever multiple.  They aren't sure what that implies for whether Sauron could use it for anything nasty."

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"Well. Let's continue not giving Sauron a soul."

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"I'll refrain.  Um, I thought it was pretty notable how much Ancora asked about stuff even while omnipotent?  Maybe you would have guessed that already but I was surprised that - if we can take this at face value - they cared at least enough to consult with, well, a human and an ex-human, instead of just going off and implementing whatever they wanted to accomplish.  Except for the time-pausing."

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"Time-pausing is a fairly conservative intervention. I think Ancora is confused, but they might also be - not perfectly corrigible, even if they want advice -"

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"Yeah definitely.  It's just a lot better than I thought."

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"Yeah. Reason for optimism. I'm not sure at what point you'd want to actually, you know, trust them..."

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"I think that the two most important things to me are that we can keep them away from doing stuff if we have to, and that we're confident we'll be able to accurately assess whether we should do that.  It seems like as long as we have both of those, there's a pretty sharp upper limit on what damage they could do.  I'm okay counting 'will stop if told' for the first one, and we're not at the point where we can be sure they would yet but I think we might be near it."

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"Well. What do they simulatedly do if we tell them to stop doing things?"

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"I'll check that next."

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"- I guess I'm also curious what happens if they're exposed to a wider variety of vampire fiction, if they eventually broaden their aesthetic appreciation there."

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"Any recommendations?"

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"It's not my genre; ask Bar?"

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"I can do that.  - Um, but, just wondering, sorry, is there a reason I should sim it instead of just seeing how it goes if it looks like we can bring them back in?  Or I mean of course you have a reason but - that's very broad; what specific information are you hoping to learn, what should I aim for."

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"I think it's related to the question of how corrigible they are, whether their aesthetics can be changed. Since that's very central to their motives."

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"Sure.  What genre of things should I be looking out for; I assume you're not counting the, like, electric instruments and CGI that didn't exist when they came to Earth the first time - "

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"Can you rephrase the question?"

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"Way back, I think you mentioned that you were conjuring CGI stuff they made, and there's all these gothy electric instruments lying around the bar, and vampires are older than both of those things on my Earth, right?  So that's at least a little adaptation that's going on - are you looking for like, losing an aesthetic preference instead of just picking more things up, or things about vampire - uh, worldbuilding? - specifically, or what."

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"I'm not sure what specifically appeals to them about vampires and I want to know how flexible it is in response to - inspiration - in case they'd maybe be convinceable to edit the species, if they even can - maybe ask them if they can -"

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"Oh, okay, sure.  Uh, did you have any thoughts about me drinking your blood, maybe have you sim some things in case diversifying gets us better info?  Or summoning another demon to try it - or gosh, I could probably just check how you react to it; couldn't I."

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"I guess you could do that. I don't know if summoning will work here but it might make sense to summon more demons, but I wish we knew more about what having a soul would do..."

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It's so good that she already super suppressed all her hope about this being done anytime remotely soon; good job, Judy, great call.  "I can ask about that too."

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"Would simming the blood-drinking thing work? In case that sheds any light."

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"Oh, uh, that's what I'd meant, yeah.  Sorry.  Should've been clearer."

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"Oh, I see. Yeah, that's a good idea. You can do that first, if it turns out to be a great idea I can do some of the simulations myself, right?"

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"Yeah.  What particular use do you see for summoning more demons, if it turns out we can?"

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"Honestly not that much but it'd get us a door to Hell if we wanted that, and another guinea pig for various experiments."

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"Oh, true.  Probably at some point we should test whether a specific person's conjured blood gives them magic if I don't drink it from a glass.  Maybe not for the first time with you, if we decide to go with that, in case it confounds it somehow."

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"I could ask Alassëo."

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"Being an Elf might also confound it.  Could probably try the second time, for either one of you, if it's otherwise the same on the first.  - Is Nechar human?"

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"He looks it, but of course he's from another universe and has powers of his own."

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"'Course.  If he wants a go then that's another person to maybe do stuff or get information from - I can only get so much magic out of blood per time period but I don't have any reason to think it'd hurt to drink more than that; it just won't do anything for me.  Even aside from the dilation."

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"I'm suddenly curious if it actually tastes good or if you just get used to it when you need it."

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"It's one of the things you have to change manually before you can vamp, along with it being safely digestible in quantity.  It's not like, compellingly delicious or anything."

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"Huh. I have always specifically disliked the way blood smells." Shrug. "Do you want to ask Nechar or should I? You'll be better able to answer his questions, presumably."

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"Yeah, I can.  Up to you if you feel like tagging along."  She heads Security-ward.

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Cam stays behind.

Nechar is eating cheesecake and reading a book in the Security office when she gets there.

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"Hey.  Want some additional magic, by chance?"

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"Maybe? What kind?"

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"Uh, mine, I guess?  If I drink some of your blood we each get a finite pool of magic that can be spent on a bunch of different things."

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"And then it's gone unless you drink some more?"

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"Yeah.  I think it goes away on its own after a couple weeks even if you don't use it, too."

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"What's the magic useful for?"

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"Lots of stuff that overlaps with what you can do, only not as good . . . um, not quite seeing the future, but being able to tell what would happen in people-focused hypotheticals; mental stuff like better attentional capacity or more memory or faster thought; needing less sleep or water or food . . ."

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"I'm not at escape velocity on sleep yet, so that would be good, I suppose."

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"Cool.  Uh, I'd appreciate it if you felt like using some of it for something we're trying to do but that's not like, conditional; offer's open either way."

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"What are you trying to do?"

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"I want to try this with Cam too but we don't know if it might mess up his demon magic, so we were going to check it with the hypotheticals thing.  I could do it myself but not for a few hours yet and I'm feeling very impatient right now, to be honest.  And also we want to see whether me drinking somebody's blood that he conjures gives that person magic, but that might not be till next time and wouldn't need you to spend any magic."

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"I'd want to be positive it won't mess up the magic I already have."

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"Super reasonable.  Don't suppose the fact that you're, uh, 'categorically sufficient' security is any indication on that front?"

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"I think that means I can stop you drinking my blood, not that if you do it won't cause a shift change."

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"Gotcha.  Well, we've got kind of a long list of stuff to check, but do you want me to put this on it?'

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"I'll think about it, you can come ask me when you get to it on the list."

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"For sure.  Thanks for your time."  And back out to Cam.  "He doesn't wanna risk it either, for now."

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"It is a substantial proposition."

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"Definitely.  Um, I think I might get dinner and vampire books from Bar now, if that's okay with you?  Or unless there was anything else you wanted to go over."

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"No, be my guest."

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"Okay."

She'll take recommendations for everything except the drink, which she would like to be water in a diner cup please.

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Bar gives her mozzarella sticks and a turkey burger with a lot of stuff on it and a fruit salad and a rice pudding.

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Oooh, she's never had a turkey burger before.  When she finishes the water she starts doing a flippy tappy tippy clappy thing with the cup but cuts herself off pretty quickly.  " - Sorry, does that bother you?" she asks Bar.

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Not at all, enjoy.

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"Oh, good."  In that case she will clap clap taptaptap, clap grab set; clap scoop flip hit switch slap set in between bites until she feels she's practiced enough to at least mitigate the risk of terrible failure in attempting to reintegrate with normal teenagers after an unknown amount of time.  And then she will request and start reading some vampire books.

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There are a very wide variety from many universes.

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This is objectively very cool even if she's kind of worn out on that sort of thing for dumb reasons.  She can totally deal with one book that she doesn't have to pick out herself, though.

At one point it mentions wine; it occurs to her to ask: "Would you serve me alcohol?  - Not as in 'will you', just out of curiosity."

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I would not; I tend to obey a person's own jurisdiction about that sort of thing.

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"Huh, good to know."  It's definitely a bad idea to spend days at a time drunk in her room (especially since she's so far never had more than two sips of anything alcoholic at once) so it's good that she doesn't have to use any willpower to avoid doing that even though she could totally also ask Cam no that would defeat the whole point of everything.

She keeps reading and finishes dinner and thanks Bar and - hm.  It's still worryingly tempting to just sim the thing and get it over with despite the fact that this is directly sensorily Bad and will probably mind control her, which is a pretty strong sign that this is getting bad enough to affect her judgement.  Plus the time dilation was going the other way before . . . yeah, it makes sense for her to stay down here while the sim recharges.  It feels terribly terribly selfish but she moves to a couch and continues reading there, which is a significant improvement over doing the exact same thing in her room, and awards herself a handful of reasonableness points.

She keeps at it for a few hours unless interrupted.

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Nobody interrupts her besides Cam asking if she minds violin music.

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She definitely doesn't.

 

 

 

"It works.  You don't like that it's - noisy - but you can still conjure stuff fine afterwards and everything."

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"...noisy?"

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"It's . . . very cheerful.  If you aren't in active danger.  Doesn't actually affect your mood but it can be kind of hard to tell and - separate it out - at first?  Being warned might help a lot."

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"What precisely is very cheerful."

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"The magic.  Or, that's how it feels, anyway."

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"Does the simulation go on long enough for you to guess how long it'd take me to get used to it?"

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". . . Not really.  I think I might have been running it on too many hypotheticals; I just started the sim after we were done, having assumed it went uneventfully, and it kind of seems like, uh, maybe it wouldn't have.  We could try - only doing a tiny bit, and stopping, and you can see what it's like and spend it immediately if you hate it?"

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"...sure. Spend it how?"

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"It probably won't be enough for a sim; you could do a nootropic or whatever."

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"Okay, the nootropic and I got along pretty well."

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"Cool."

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"You wanna explain in advance how to use the magic?"

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"It's pretty obvious once you have it.  Which is kind of the same thing as the cheerfulness?  Like, if your computer was like, 'wow, do you wanna open a web browser?  It would be super cool if you opened a browser, here's how, or also there's this giant list of other - '  Oh my god it's Clippy.  - Sorry.  I know this is serious and you're like nervous about it and stuff."

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"Clippy magic. Uh, okay."

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"Okay."

She doesn't move toward him or anything.

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"...so do you lunge for my neck like this is an old movie or do I just offer you my wrist or were we going to try having me make you a cupful of specifically-my-blood."

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"If you wanted to cut your own arm, that'd be.  Yeah."

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Cam slices his wrist open for her.

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She surely has ever had to deal with at least one thing this awkward in her life before.  Probably.

L . . . ick?

 

 

 

It takes a few seconds for anything to happen, and then,

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He has magic!!!  Only a teeeeeeeny bit but there's still a lot of things he could do with it!  He could start growing some fangs, a little, or teleport about four inches in any direction but through the floor, or change his skin tone (especially towards this color), or more generally shift himself into a very different shape for twelvish seconds or much less differently permanently, or become smarter in any of these ways (also permanently or temporarily), or grow fangs, or make blood taste better, or make himself like someone almost-imperceptibly more or less than he presently does or vice versa, or become less clumsy, or grow fangs, or -

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"- gosh that's weird." He will do less-clumsy.

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There is no perceivable change except that the magic shuts up!

 

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"Does that mean you don't want any more, or . . ."

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"It went away when I used it. I may not want to carry a substantial reserve around."

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"It gets quieter over time.  There was a big drop when I turned; now it pretty much only pipes up when I think - not about it; at it, I guess - and even then it's pretty subdued."  Is he still bleeding.

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No, he stopped right away when she seemed done and his arm is unmarked now. "That's good then. I don't know what kind of pace you can sustain on this."

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"On what?"

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"On drinking my blood in a magical way? So I don't know over what time scale I would be getting used to it."

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"Oh.  I've been doing every five of my days or so.  Different people vary on that I think but I don't really know by how much.  Um, there's a sense for it built in; I can tell whether I'd get more magic at any given moment and about how much - and the same for you now, apparently; huh.  Less fidelity though."

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"That didn't turn up in the simulation?"

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". . . No."

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"...well, that's concerning."

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". . . I wasn't aiming it at me?  Uh, not that I can actually do that; I checked - and I didn't run it very long - you might be right to be worried but I don't have a very clear picture of what about?"

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"Does the simulation not include - things you do, in it, like reporting to me about how you now have this sense -"

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She thinks.

"It definitely does that at least . . . sometimes . . ."

 

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"...is there a pattern to what times?"

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She consults her notes.  "Uh, the omnipotence one I came in at the end for but I don't know if I actually did anything - both the ones with opening the door, and the one where I tried to talk to Ancora's parent - there might have been others but those are the ones where it definitely says here that I was in them - "

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"Does it systematically drop - magical feedback, or something -"

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"Can you give an example."

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"The thing it just did where the sim didn't have you noting that you have a magic sense about me now but in real life you do."

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"Well, yes.  Uh, none of these ones I was in would have had me actively using any other magical senses I don't think - your worry is very contagious but I still don't know what your actual concern is - "

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"That the simulations are systematically misleading in some way that might or might not be limited to relatively innocuous inconsistencies and we should accordingly rely on them less."

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"Oh.

 

Given that we're already past the point of no return re your blood, and the plan was already for you to try simming things next, do you want to just.  Go ahead with that, see if it turns up anything?"

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"Yeah, sure."

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She is again totally not going to be the one to initiate this process.

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"...now, or are you, like, full and need a bit, or..."

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"Now's fine."

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He presents a sliced wrist again.

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She very gingerly takes it and starts drinking.

why doesn't he own a SHIRT he can poof ARBITRARY MATERIAL OBJECTS into existence it's not like he gave it off his back to someone who needed it more people should wear what makes them happy and also she has literally so many other more important things to care about.  Even if this one is being obnoxiously salient.

She stops just after the flow of magic halts, which takes FOREVER a couple minutes.

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Before that, though:

 

He has magic again!!!  Fangs and movement and capacity and sleep and fangs and eye color and teleports and fangs and hypotheticals and skin hue and reflexes and posture and wingless flight and blood and speed and facial structure and fangs and shapeshifting and affection and memory and eye color and!

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"Man the thing for making people like each other is fucked up." What is it trying to offer him about blood exactly?

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Fixing the taste!!  And/or making drinking it unable to harm him? - no, he seems pretty set on that front honestly.  He seems good on the healing too but the magic could have helped with his arm if he'd wanted - or with other people if there were any around who needed it, and it seemed in their best interests - it meant injuries that time but stuff with immune systems and slowed and reversed aging are also on offer!!!  Though again he sure seems to have his own bases covered there!

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She finds her gaze glued to the floor and her arms wrapped around her waist in a little hug, and states, very neutrally, "Yep."

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"...are you okay? Did you like, catch depression nutritionally, that'd be a hell of a trick."

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"Pffft.  I don't think so.  Just - the thing for making people like each other is yeah, pretty extremely effed up."

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"I'm not going to use it, don't worry."

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"I wasn't really worried about that but thanks."

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"You're welcome." He produces a wet wipe to remove a dab of blood from his again-intact wrist and his boxcutter.

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" - Uh, for clarity.  I think the side of that that I care about really viscerally is the opposite from what most people's would be?  And it's not that I think you'd do that either, but in the event of some extremely contrived scenario or whatever please please please don't ever make yourself or anyone else like me more.  Like I trust you to make good tradeoffs more than anyone else I've ever interacted with or heard of, but.  Weight it appropriately."

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"I will keep that in mind. Is there a specific reason that's what you're concerned about?"

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"Just that like.  Semi-accidentally mind controlling someone into that while they were trying to murder me and then also having to deal with the consequences of having done so was I guess at least a little traumatic or something probably.  The usual.  It's not that I think it's actually likely to come up."

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"Okay. Duly noted."

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"Thanks."

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( - and AUTOLEVITATION and PREDICTIONS and TEETH and MENTAL CAPACITY and - )

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"- it's yelling at me louder now."

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"What is?  - Oh - uh, that's weird - "

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It politely quiets down to where it initially plateaued shortly after it's caught his attention.  This is a fair tack above where it was a moment ago; it must have faded out during the conversation.  And there's another emotional note, added subtly to the cheerfulness - quiet confusion, or encouragement, with maybe a hint of condescension - this is magic, and it's meant to be used; he knows that, right?  He does know that it's for him to use to make his life better?  It can be meant to be saved, but eventually - in a week or two - it'll run out, and it would be sad if he didn't get any life-bettering out of it before then.  No pressure, it's just checking.  But.  Does he know that.

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"- now it's not as yelly but it's - pushy."

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"Weird," she repeats.  "Uh, I never had it do anything like that - I don't know whether to expect that this is a weird interaction or if it's just what happens if you don't use it right away the first time - ish; obviously you spent the sliver - I don't think responding to pushiness by doing the thing you're being pushed into is generally the best decision but I also don't think the magic is smart enough that incentives matter literally at all?"

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"I want to - get used to it so that I can carry a reserve around at all instead of planning to spend it all down immediately every time - so I guess I'll sit on it and track patterns." He starts a notes file.

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"That makes sense."

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The magic's talkativity stays level until he tries to use it or starts thinking about something else.

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He does eventually start thinking about something else!

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It gets out of his way again, fading to almost nothing, until he even vaguely thinks about it.  At which point it does another sforzando.

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"- okay, it gets off my back if I am not thinking about it but it comes back with a vengeance when my mind is on it again at all."

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Judy looks up from her book.  "That's good at least?  The first part."

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"Yeah, better than the alternative. Maybe with enough attentional capacity it'd be ignorable. Did you boost that? If you did that straight away that might explain why it's less conspicuous to you."

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"No.  Just - mind control the first time, and everything else into teleportation.  - And one time I tested out the de-aging on my cat."

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"Did it work?"

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"There weren't like, crazy-obvious results from just doing it the once, but it seemed to, yeah."

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"Cool. How does the teleportation work?"

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"Well - "

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It's so glad he asked!  He can teleport himself and things on or near him (as defined according to this criteria), and also people as long as he has pretty solid reason to believe this is in their best interests!  If he thinks about somewhere he wants to go that's within his current range, he can get a sort of proprioceptive map of where it is, complete with an intuitive sense of distance and how much magic it'd take!  (He doesn't get any new information from the map, such as if things have moved around since the last time he was there, but it locks his existing knowledge into a more concrete form!)  And it doesn't feel like it'd let him put himself through another object; it'd shunt him outside of it if he aimed for one!  Or aimed for a place he thought was empty but was wrong about!

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". . . You good?"

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"Clippy has me covered, apparently."

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"Gotcha.  Makes sense."  She produces a sphere of lip balm from the pocket of her skinny jeans and thoughtfully applies it.  "It's still . . . very strange, being able to talk to anyone about this stuff."

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"Very much The Masqurade at home?"

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"Paper faces on parade," she agrees.  "And I didn't exactly like, chat about it with Sara either."

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"Understandable. Is there magic theory you've been bursting to discuss or anything?"

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"Not really.  Just, it probably would have been obvious that asking that would get you Clippy'd if I were - at all in the habit of imagining other people interacting with the magic, I guess.  - I like, blackmailed her into turning me.  Just so you know."

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"It didn't sound like all roses but I don't recall blackmail specifically."

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"It wasn't very much blackmail.  Honestly, like, worryingly little blackmail was required, given the powerset and stuff."

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"I suppose it's sort of against the spirit of blackmail to tell third parties what you were blackmailing her with."

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"Oh, no, I mean.  Just the vampirism and assault and stuff; you already know that.  Or - this was all really vague insinuation so I'm not actually sure but it might have been more the lesbian-ness more than either of those?  Because the Berrys are just.  Really great people, really stellar folks.  - Not that I think, um - probably against mind control it doesn't really matter what your actual inclinations are . . ."

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"Clippy has not been telling me that I can make people specifically more attracted to me but perhaps it just omitted to mention."

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He can make people find him more or less compelling!!

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"That's - it's not - I - I haven't been poking at it or anything.  So it could be included and just not - telegraphed, or it could have been an interaction with the thing where she was already feral, or.  Any number of things really.  I wouldn't want to assume."

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"It wouldn't surprise me if Ancora did not really understand human attraction and was just letting vampires et al pull on all the levers that there happened to be for making people like each other without separate labeling."

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"Yeah."

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"Maybe I will simulate telling them that this is sketchy." Hey, Clippy, does he have enough juice to cover that?

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Yes!!  Not indefinitely but he can certainly start!

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How long is "not indefinitely", Clippy.

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A while!  It depends on specifics of the situation which it can't determine ahead of time!  But while he's running a sim there will be moment-to-moment sensory feedback about how much magic he's using!

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Can he get an order of magnitude, as there is not much point if the sim will last three seconds.

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It depennnnnnnnnnnds.  He could totally spend it in seconds, or he could cover a span of months!  There are lots of options!

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"...how long do you usually get sims of Ancora to last, Clippy's being surprisingly unhelpful about estimating that."

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"Usually like, uh, two to tenish minutes, maybe; I dunno, I'm not great at tracking time.  With the exception of the omnipotence ones, which, obviously the first one kicked me out immediately and I think the second one was maybe an hour or two.  In terms of what it covered, not real-time.  And some of them I cut off before I strictly had to."

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"Okay, cool." What happens if they have Ancora come back and Cam says the liking people power is Sketch.

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They ask why he thinks that.

(Clippy declares this to be a moderate pace which he can sustain for a few minutes.)

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Cam points out that Ancora said that vampires didn't get any unethical psychic powers and heavily implied that they could only decide, themselves, how much to care about others! Making others care about you is different.

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That seems like kind of a trivial difference.  If people decide to change their feelings towards each other, does it really matter which of them is the one spending magic to do it?

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...yes, that matters enormously, because a decision comes with consent for oneself but not for others.

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. . . . . . . . . . . confusion.

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See, people in general should get to decide things for themselves, not have the processes that make their minds work intervened on by outside forces! The making people like you power does not wait for a decision on the target's part and could be done on someone who was very much opposed.

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In retrospect it probably should have been predictable that Ancora's test group who ended up murdering each other would have maybe misled them about that sort of thing.  Everyone where Ancora comes from has that power but defense always wins, categorically - it doesn't even occur to people to try and force anything because it just would never work - they're so sorry - how does Cam suggest they fix it - is he also going to mislead them -

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...gosh. Uh. If Ancora doesn't want to take Cam's word for it they could read moral philosophy from Bar or something?

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Actually this is very very upsetting and since time is paused probably it won't hurt anything if they just do music for several hours to process things.  Would Cam like to join them; it seems unlikely that could go wrong even if he's also going to deceive them.

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Cam drops the simulation before saying yea or nay on the jam session. "So, uh, Ancora professes to be very surprised about the concept that people might not agree about the liking people magic use before deploying it, apparently due to everybody having the same powers and defense winning where they're from, and also some deception on the part of the first batch of vampires, some of whom were also murderers."

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"O . . . kay.  What, um, brand of very surprised; scale of 'oh, that's weird' to 'what have I done sweet Jesus what have I done' to 'shocking but cool'?"

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"Very much the Les Mis reference, I dropped the simulation because they wanted to do a lot of music about it to calm down."

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"Gosh, okay.  Well that's . . . convenient?  That's convenient."

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"It's convenient! It doesn't, uh, shed light on whether they can... fix it... but it's convenient."

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"Right.  Is that something we want to know before letting them back in?"

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"Not necessarily, they could still be helpful in other ways without being able to edit vampires now."

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"Yeah.  Um, so, not this instant - I need like, cat supplies, and we should probably coordinate on how we want to pitch certain facts about the situation, and also it's pretty late in the day for me - but it sounds like we're mostly agreed on opening the door soonish?"

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"Yeah, that's how I'm leaning. You want to write up a cat shopping list for me?"

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"Can do.  - May I request something really frivolous."

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"Go for it, I'm not on a budget."

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"Still, don't bother if it's any inconvenience - or I guess if you can't automatically convert these to fit me - but," she shares a file with him entitled 'wow there are so many social rules that just don't apply here at all', which contains a list of outfits (mostly pretty dresses) from various stage shows and movies.

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"I can do these in your size, no problem." He presents her with garment bags.

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"Eee, thank you."  She gathers them up.  "Um, so what's the plan for how we break all this to Ancora?  It does seem like there should ideally, y'know, be one."

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"I could try to do the exact thing I just simulated?"

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"I'll take your word if it seems good to you?  But - they're going to know it's been a while; is there a way we want to angle that; do we mention the murder attempt upfront - do you want to just play it by ear; should I go take the cat to my room right away and stay out of things till you give an all-clear - "

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"They didn't mention it at the time. I could try a revised sim where I bring it up to contextualize the sketchiness accusation."

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"You could," she says neutrally.  "I might be overthinking this, maybe I should just go to bed."

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"Sleep well."

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"Thanks."

When she comes back down she's wearing the dress from 'Sixteen Going on Seventeen' and her usual sneakers, and has her leg set to steampunk.  She has a list of cat things ready.

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Cam makes her cat things. "Do you want to open the door or do more sims first?"

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"It - seems like a bad way to be allies, kind of, to try run things a bunch of times to find the best outcome, and if we're not already sure they're going to be an ally then - it shouldn't be 'first'; we shouldn't open the door at all."  She adjusts her grip on the cat carrier.  "But I will if you want me to, though."

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"I lean toward opening the door but you're the one who can do it and originally brought Ancora-related suspicions to my attention so if you don't feel they've been assuaged I'm not going to tell you to go open the door pronto."

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"We can do it now, I think.  Did you want the grace or anything or nah."

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"I can do it myself next time you want a snack, no? Is it more efficient for you or something?"

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"Well, they asked about it specifically when I ran opening the door.  Plus like, your pool of magic should grow somewhat over subsequent times but I get better at specific skills I use, so it's more scalable in the long run that way.  But mostly I meant the first one."

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"I'll do it myself if I'll be able to do it more that way." Hey Clippy hit him with some ability to balance.

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No problem!

 

Clippy had cut back on the 'Haydn's Symphony No. 94'-ing after Cam ran the sim, but now he is once again entirely alone in his head.

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"No, that's independent of what you use it for - never mind."  She takes a deep breath and opens the door a sliver.

There's a pause of about a second, then Ancora teleports to the middle of the bar, a solid-grey cat who abruptly tenses up in fear and disorientation on the floor beside them.  Judy slams the door shut and scoops up said cat and starts quietly baby-talking at her - "Hey, Smokes B'dokes, hey kittycat, you're alright; that's a good lady - " complete with pets and a number of kisses on her little kitty forehead.  This is at the very least tolerated by its recipient.

Ancora spends a moment looking around the room and observing things before addressing Cam.

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'I have been absent for longer than I was led to believe I would.'

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"Yeah, uh, Judy wanted some time to evaluate whether you were - culpably responsible for the unethical applications of vampire powers, specifically the one where you can make other people like you without their consent."

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"In simulation you wanted to do a lot of music to process your reaction to this?" Cam picks up his violin.

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'What would you like to play.'

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Cam pulls up sheet music for the overture to a movie he saw once forty years ago.

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They determine an appropriate instrument for the other half of the duet and play their part with lots of improvised flourishes.  Judy slips upstairs at some point.

When the two of them are done with that piece, Ancora states, 'I am not well-oriented to the current situation and would appreciate additional context.'

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"When you had gone to fetch the cat Judy closed the door and tried to murder me because she thought I might be in league with you and thought you had done sketchy vampire-related things on purpose. She couldn't kill me so we basically reconciled and made use of the available evidence to try to figure out if that was actually something you had endorsed or not, and concluded it was not, and she let you back in."

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'I see.'

They disappear.

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"...An...cora?"

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Judy ports in, cat in arms and visibly shaken.

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"- hey, uh, do you know where Ancora went?"

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" - my room - "

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"Are they okay?"

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"They were - doing some scary magical tornado thing - maybe started to say something but I came down to where - Security - "  Her teeth are audibly chattering.

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"...yeah makes sense. We can wait it out here, I guess."

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"'Yeah makes sense'?"

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"...that you came down to where Security covers, not what Ancora's doing, I don't know what Ancora's doing."

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"Oh."  Her cat breaks free of her hold and hides under a booth.

- all the decisions she makes are horrible including the one to abdicate decision-making to someone who seemed like he'd be better at it and she misjudged the situation terribly and now Ancora is going to wreak havoc throughout the multiverse and she burned her one chance at preventing this because she was too impatient and she's an idiot but no one anywhere can do better and things are just going to get worse forever and there's nothing she can do but she's not allowed to stop trying either and she wants to go home even though that would help literally less than nothing -

Chatter chatter hyperventilate.

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"Are... you okay? You could ask Bar for - anxiety drugs or something -"

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Headshake headshake headshake headshake.

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"...okay. Uh, Ancora kind of freaked out about my having holed Valinor, too, and it was - maybe the same kind of thing they're doing now? If inexactly."

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Trying to say something fails; it just catches in her throat - ugh, her chiplock's upstairs - she makes a writing gesture.

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...LCD drawing tablet?

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. . . Sure, okay.  Shakily:

details?

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"It got really cold and - windy - and they looked sort of like they were abstractly crying - looked bigger - eventually they went to the backyard. Came back some amount of time later, apologized for the cold."

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She nods.

sounds similar.  no temp tho
promising that only for cold??

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"I mean none of it was going to hurt me so I didn't quibble about the wind or anything, though I was scared they were too horrified to help with the Maiar and they thought that would be incoherent."

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Well, he presents her with a glass of water.

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Yayy.  She drinks.  "That's weird though, right?  That it was only for a specific part of it?  - Or was the cold the only thing that could have hurt you even if you were squishy."

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"I don't think the wind could have hurt me - and none of it would have gotten that far, we were down here, Security would have intervened if I'd been squishy. I didn't say 'you were being very intimidating' because I - wasn't really focusing on having been intimidated."

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"Totes; understandable."  Understandable, yes it's perfectly understandable; comprehen - shut UP lyric-referencing brain; now is well and truly not the time.  "Promising in that it seems like they were maybe just having an alien emotional reaction and not coming to murder me in retaliation, though?"

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"Yes. You should possibly explain whenever they come down here that when they do that it looks kind of like they're coming to murder someone though."

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"Yeahbsolutely."

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Ancora peeks out the tiniest possible amount from the bottom of the stairs.

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"Ancora? You, uh, okay?"

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'How does one evaluate that.'

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"I guess that's a good question. Are you going to alter the weather around you any more?"

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'I could.'

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"Please don't."

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'Certainly.

 

Why not.'

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"It's uncomfortable and intimidating. You scared Judy."

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'I apologize.'

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"Accepted."

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'I had intended the opposite effect.'

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"You had intended to be... reassuring?"

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'Approximately.'

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"I don't really see how that was meant to produce that effect."

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They consider this for long enough that it almost seems like they aren't going to respond at all.  But eventually:

'Kneel.'

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"Uh, speaking of things that probably don't have the effect you're going for, what are you going for there."

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'I wish to draw an analogy.'

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"Why does this involve one or both of us kneeling?"

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They start a small breeze-sigh but abruptly cut it off, then emerge from the stairway.  - Is the train of their skirt clipping through the steps?  It's hard to tell because a moment later they disappear the whole thing, leaving them in their pants and boots and with a much less grandiose silhouette.

They kneel.

'By my understanding, humans use kneeling as a signal; they put themselves in a position where they are less able to harm others.  But as a demon, kneeling or standing has no effect on your capability to do harm.  How, instead, do you signal this intent?'

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"I - am usually not in a position where I need to do this, but - acting calm and friendly, would be my go-to."

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'My species is also unimpaired in harm by kneeling.  And so using our ever-filling pool of magic on complicated effects that clearly target only ourselves, which is difficult and requires both concentration and power, is universally considered the calm and friendly thing to do.'

They rise and reinstantiate their skirt.

'Obviously humans lack this ability, though I had thought it would be a clear sign regardless.  I apologize most deeply for this misunderstanding.'

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"...I guess that kind of makes sense. In human psychology making it very salient that you have dangerous powers is threatening even if you are not making it salient in a way that is itself harmful. Brandishing a weapon, as it were."

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'This explains much about your previous reaction.'

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"I mean, I didn't feel physically threatened, on account of I'm indestructible, but - yeah, that's the context I put the weather thing into."

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'I see, and again apologize.'

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"So you just - teleported into my room to perform nonthreateningness at me?"

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'Yes.  I had some questions for you, as well.'

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"People also generally find other folks entering their spaces uninvited pretty threatening.  For the record."

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"Yeah, that's also true, one knocks."

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'I apologize for not deriving this from fictional vampire lore when I in principle could have.'

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"Can you fix it?"

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'I intend to refrain from invading people's living spaces now that I have been introduced to the concept more thoroughly than some fictional vampires being unable to do that.  Homes are not a discrete concept under the meta magic system I operate in and I do not expect I could forbid myself or my vampires from that even were it determined to be wise.'

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"I actually mean can the thing about sketchy vampire powers be fixed but I can see how that would've been unclear. But perhaps your questions for Judy should come first."

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'My questions primarily involved specifics of the situation and discovering in more detail what motivated her to attempt murder.  But it seems likely she does not wish to have an extended conversation on that topic at this time.'

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". . . Impressively perceptive, honestly.  Uh, good call."

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"Okay. So, can you - edit vampire powers?"

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'Not yet.'

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"Will you be able to after enough art?"

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'Of course.'

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"Do you have a guess how much art?"

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'The span between my arrival on Earth and the beginning of my work on vampires lasted several years.  I expect similar growth to take substantially less time with the knowledge and resources I have available here but can produce no more-exact figure.'

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"Yeah, order of magnitude was what I was looking for."

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'I expect this to take substantially less time,' they repeat.  'Though I strongly predict there will be no progress of that kind within the next few weeks.'

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"Because you're too upset?" guesses Cam.

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'No.'

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"...oh, how come then?"

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'The first time took years.'

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"...oh, I thought by progress you meant incremental movement toward the goal and suggesting there would be none for weeks meant that there would be no work on the project at all."

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'There will be no progress on fixing vampirism until I have enough magic to edit it.  I will continue to amass power as quickly as I am able.'  They start to idly breeze their hair around a bit but cut it off again.  'Though I may be able to plan out in advance what changes I will make, and save time in so doing.'

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"Cool. You can run ideas by us for - sanity checking."

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'Of course.  How do you think I should handle the affection altering.'

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"Why did you want to include it at all? I don't think it's a classic vampire power."

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'Many fictional vampires can make themselves supernaturally compelling, and I was led to believe some people would willingly enjoy having that emulated.  But mainly it was that all artists have the ability and I have myself found it useful.  Most recently, it was convenient when trapped in my realm of origin to improve the ease of interaction with some of my conspecifics, and, when I arrived here, to cut off any spare feelings for them.'

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"Huh. I mean, some people might be into it, there's lots of people with disparate preferences."

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'So I should revise it rather than eliminating it entirely?'

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"You could make it work consensually but I think Judy had other objections?"

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Judy is under the booth with her cat even though this risks messing up her pretty pretty dress.  She leans out.  "I think making it consensual would work okay.  As it stands it's the most obvious method of defending yourself if, say, you're being attacked by a feral vampire, because everything else needs to be consensualish.  Also we need to discuss the fact that vampires go feral sometimes but that's separate."  She ducks under the table again, then back out after a beat.  "Also also, it would be great if compelling someone worked on the level of like, making them at all respect your stated or obviously-assumable preferences instead of just.  Shiny."

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Ancora teleports out again but is back within a few seconds, computer in hand.  They send Cam some sheet music.

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Sure, Cam will play this with them.

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'I spent much of the many hours or few days before I came downstairs on musical processing but new information continues being distressing.'

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"I'm sorry."

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'As am I.'

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"Some things just suck a lot to have done."

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They manifest a pair of demon wings and extend one in Cam's direction, then pause and disembody them.  They repeat this with a single feathered wing but fold it against their back again before getting rid of it, then with a bat one again, ending with it held open about a quarter of its span towards him.

This is all an impressive amount of awkward for how graceful it is.

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...Cam extends a wing back to them.

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'I have not done enough research on comforting physical gestures to be certain of what would be effective or welcome.'

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"It varies person to person anyway." Cam shrugs and folds his wing back up.

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'Would you find a side-wing-hug welcome.'

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"...yeah, sure."

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'Do you have a preference for the type of wing.  I don't have very good wings,' (both sets they've displayed in the past minute are very beautiful and ridiculously ornate, both with gradients and filigree patterns in red and black and gold-silver, shifting hue when viewed from different angles.  On the demon one this is scaled across the whole wing; on the angel one it's applied to individual feathers; neither of them look unfinished in any way), 'and I suspect a feathered one would be easier to feign competently on short notice.  But perhaps you prefer a leathery one regardless.'

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"Either is fine with me."

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Feathery wingput.  . . . Sort of.  Visually, it wraps around him, and he can feel something, but what he feels very clearly doesn't match what the wing looks like.  It does manage to be warm and fluffy, somewhat amorphously, and that part feels like it's structured around two firmer panels which sort of match the curve of the wing.  It appears to hover a couple inches away from him in places even though there are no tactile gaps.

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That explains the remark about the wing's imperfections, but the gesture is appreciated.

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They stand there, unmoving and silent, till Cam does something they perceive as expressing being done, which is not quite at the same point where someone with a human psychology would draw the line.  They're pretty pleasantly soft once one gets over the unnatural uniformity.

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"Thanks."

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Their wing folds back into nonexistence.  'It was comforting rather than being disconcerting or otherwise unpleasant?'

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"Yes. In context, anyway."

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'Elaborate.'

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"If you had done it suddenly or such that I wasn't expecting it I would have been alarmed."

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'I will refrain from touching people without warning.'

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"Good policy."

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'Is there anything else I have done which stands out to you now as being likely to have involved a miscommunication or unintended impression on my part.'

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"I... don't think so but you could check with Judy?"

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"Nothing comes to - oh."  She emerges and sits on top of the booth, swinging her legs off the side.  "When you uh, came to pick me up, it kinda - there's a translation effect here, and we think maybe it's . . . helping you.  Because there definitely - wasn't very good communication, when the two of us were at my parents' house."

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'I see.'

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"But you talked a lot with at the very least your test group, yeah?  What's up with that."

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'My memories of the time shortly after my arrival on Earth are not directly inferior to those which came later or earlier but I had much less context available to interpret them with at the time.'

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"...and, in hindsight...?"

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'It remains difficult to piece some things together.  I recall, partially, things that people did, but there were many factors in play and I hesitate to attribute them to specific causes.'  Headtilt-unheadtilt.  'It took quite some time for me to recognize humans as people at all, and I did not myself have an ambulatory visual form for over a year.  Communication started out impossible and became possible over time: that is all I am confident in determining.'

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"...how confident are you that your initial batch of vampires in fact wanted to be vampires?"

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"Not very?"

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'I am reevaluating the probability in light of all the distressing things which I recently learned I have done.

 

 

Upon consideration I am still quite confident.'

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"Well, that's something, anyway. Do you have hindsight on how things - degenerated from there -"

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"No.  I am now aware of the concept of deception but cannot claim to understand it in practice.'

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"Would - examples help?"

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'They might or might not.'

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"People will lie to - cover up crimes past or planned, to make their motives and character look more admirable, to avoid awkward conversations, to convince people to give them stuff..."

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'Those did not.'

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"Okay, uh, maybe - consuming fiction with a lot of lying in it or something?"

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'That seems more likely to be of use than detailless examples.  Are you suggesting solutions to this simply because it is a problem or because there is a particular benefit you hope to reap.'

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"It just seems like it would be the sort of deficit you'd want to patch having been made aware of it, if you're not interested I won't dig up books on the topic."

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'It seems very important to fix.  But there is much else going on which is also very important.  I was unsure if it was connected to those or stood alone.'

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"I don't immediately foresee it being relevant, at least if you want to run major decisions by me or Judy or somebody else who isn't going to gratuitously fuck with you."

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" - Well.  Anymore."

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"Yes, now that we are somewhat reassured that the problem was not that you felt like designing vampires in ways that had these flaws for your personal amusement."

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"Maybe sometime we could hang out and have me go over - exactly how I deceived you, and why, and the ways I thought other people might be deceiving me, and how I figured out they weren't, and ideas I had for that aside from the one I settled on."

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'This seems like a useful step towards several important things.'

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Nod nod.

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'You have a soul now.'

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"I've been informed. What effects should I expect this to have?"

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'I expect any daeva-specific ones to have already made themselves evident if there were any.'

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"And non-specifically?"

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'Subsequent interactions between you and the magic system reference the soul you have instead of creating a new one; the magic regards you as a consistent entity.'

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"Sounds all right."

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'I would be very alarmed if such a fundamental piece of the system didn't.  Can you dance.'

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"I haven't really learned how, but it's no longer absurd to imagine doing so."

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'I cannot imagine I would be an adequate source of instruction.'

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"I wasn't suggesting it, I'll watch videos and try things and figure it out. I'm not in a hurry."

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"Ancora, do you want to dance with someone in general or just with Cam?"

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'Both.'

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"Well, I can dance.  Probably mostly not in styles that you care about, but - waltzing?  Do you like waltzing?"

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'I do.'  They step into position to lead.  The placement of their arms looks a little silly what with the implied height difference.

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" - Just a sec.  Uh, frequently when people suggest things like that they don't mean right away.  But I will, as soon as I - " she scoops up her cat from the seat is the booth.  ". . . Actually, Cam, can you hold her a minute - probably we should figure out some way I can leave her alone without it risking being her weeks to my hours, given that she can't come downstairs on her own - "

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"Careful, she's an old lady - " she trots upstairs and is back almost immediately, carrying some cat supplies and wearing her stilty legs and safety gear.  Standing naturally she's still not quite Ancora's height but stretching up a bit she can make herself taller than they are.  She sets up a station for Smokey and deposits her therein, or rather asks Cam to; tall-Judy's balance is a lot better than it was but carrying live animals seems like an obviously bad idea.

"Don't suppose you'd like to provide the music?  Uh, probably not anything too fast to start with, please."

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Cam puts the cat down and plays a moderate waltz.

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Judy gets into position to follow and gamely down-up-ups her way across the floor as well as one can in what could sort of be considered 26-inch heels.

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'Collaborative performance art gives more magic than other forms,' declares Ancora after the song ends.

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"Interesting! I wonder why."

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'It may be that it's simply more aligned with my desires.  I did not know of computer modeling and digital painting to miss them in my exile; dancing and music were very saliently activities I could only partake in by and for myself.'

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"That makes sense."

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'I suspected this might be the case but had been uncertain until now.  This did not give much power compared to more effortful and considered works, but by expectation the gain should have been negligible.

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"We could... put on small theater productions for Bar?"

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They nod.

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Cam busies himself looking for three-person plays.

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Ancora gets in position to waltz again, following this time.

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". . . I'm a girl," states Judy, and puts a hand on their shoulder.

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'I see.'  Handhold, waisthold.

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She isn't sure she entirely believes that but starts humming anyway.  And keeps humming other songs, once it becomes clear that Ancora wants to keep going.  At first she tries to keep it within her impression of their aesthetics, but thinking of a bunch of qualifying songs in a row is kind of hard (especially given that most of her attention is devoted to staying upright) and she branches out after a while.

. . . It turns out 'The Cookie Chase' has something complicated going on with the time signature and isn't strictly in three-four.  She trips, and falls towards Ancora.

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- towards, and into, and through - and onto the ground.

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"Aaaaaa what the heck," she intones, clearly more alarmed than harmed.

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"- surprise insubstantiality, gosh."

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'I suppose it is pleasing that this comes as a surprise instead of having been obvious from the very beginning.'  They watch Judy carefully as she stands but seem satisfied she's uninjured once she's up.

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"You put a wing on me! It felt like something!"

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"And - you have hands - I was holding one when I fell, even . . ."

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'I have very good hands.'  They instantiate wings for a preenful rustle.  'I worked on them for - perhaps a decade.  Maybe a bit less.'

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"Do you just - attach physical extremities to an illusion torso, or -"

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'Artists, by nature, have only visual forms.  These behave consistently with themselves without particular effort, but ignore physical matter.  It is possible to emulate physical matter, separately, for use as tools with which to shape the physical world.'  Wingrustle.  'I discovered I could, with enough concentration, take specially-formed tools and move them identically to my visual form.'

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"That's pretty cool. Yeah, I didn't notice."

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Glitter rai - no, no glitter rain, no weather at all it's scary.  'Hands contain many different moving parts and complicated layered textures, but seemed worthwhile to do correctly.  They are very versatile.'

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"Normally fingers are moved with muscles in the arm, did you do that or take a shortcut?"

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They offer Cam their hand.

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"I'm not sure how I'm supposed to tell by looking since you can clearly look material without being so."

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'I had thought a tactile explanation would be more demonstrative than a verbal one.  Only the hand itself can interact with physical matter, by default.  I sometimes emulate matter in the volume of my forearm but have not put as much effort into verisimilitude there.'

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Cam will take the hand and bend the fingers and attempt to grip the forearm to see if it does the marionette thing.

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The hand feels and acts pretty much just like a hand, though an unusually slender one with filigree for fingerprints instead of anything so traditional as ridges or whorls.  The forearm . . . doesn't exist.  Cam's fingers just pass through it as if it isn't there at all.  No tingling or temperature difference or any other stereotypical indication of occupying the same space as something insubstantial.

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"I like the fingerprints," he says, releasing the hand.

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They nod.  'Have you discovered any plays of note yet.'

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"There's 'No Exit'."

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They pull it up on their computer and scan through for a bit, then look at Cam expectantly (though still expressionlessly).

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"...us non-artists may need like rehearsal time. Also it's kind of a questionable choice, just the most prominent three-person play I found."

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"Also I . . . can't . . . act.  For the record.  Like, I'll try if you want but, uh.  - Can you act."

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'I have not recently tried.'

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"Not especially but I would be willing to try if Ancora thinks it will help."

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'It is not my focus but is unlikely to hurt.'

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"Well, I can look up a less... questionable... play than No Exit and we can try if you want but we could also just do more music."

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'Music is very good.  Plays may also be very good; I do not have enough information to say.'

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"It seems like maybe we should try, like, a table read, and see how that goes."

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"Sure. - oh, Milliways has translation, I can find something in any language..." A few minutes later he passes around paperbacks of a demon play.

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Judy consistently reads her lines more quietly and less expressively than her normal speaking voice, and trips over phrasings a few times per scene, which doesn't help with either of those.

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Ancora doesn't actually seem capable of repeating text verbatim except when it has the same sort of flowery phrasing they usually employ.  They aren't less expressive than is typical of them, but that still leaves them emoting in a recognizable way at most once or twice a page, for about a second per instance.

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Cam does his best to improvise around Ancora's misreadings. He is a solid speaker but not a nuanced actor.

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'Music and dance seem likely to be more fruitful avenues of magic accumulation.'

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Nod nod.

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'Do you have a favored recording of this play as performed by actors.'

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"I've never heard of it before but I can put on a curator's favorite." He sets it up.

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They pull their hair in front of their shoulders and get rid of their skirt - the same way they have always done, when sitting down, for reasons which are now more apparent - and settle in to watch.  They start modeling something flourishy on their computer partway through but don't walk away or turn it off.  Judy sits next to them and sniffles through the ending.

Afterwards they would like to try another drink recommendation from Bar.

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Bar supplies a mocktail with pear and cherry and seltzer.

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But what does it look like?  Is it pretty?

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It is quite pretty, a pink to yellow gradient with bubbles in it.

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Oh good.  Sip.

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". . . Given that you don't have a torso . . ."

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'I do sometimes emulate physical matter in that region.  While we sat to watch the play, for example.'

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"Can you taste?"

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'How would one evaluate that.'

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"Do you experience a non-tactile sensation when you consume food and beverages which would, say, differ between flavors of jelly or something else texturally identical?"

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'I have not tried anything of that sort recently enough to recall.'

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"You probably don't have it by default and I don't know if food would count as art anyway. For non-sculptural reasons, that is, presumably chocolate is a valid sculptural medium."

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'Drinking as a concept is moderately aesthetic.  I am not sure the array in my face is sufficient to handle thicker substances than liquids, however.  I have not put enough effort into it as of this time to be able to play woodwind or brass instruments.'

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"That would seem to be a major blocker even if you are theoretically capable of tastebuds et al, yeah."

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They nod.

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"But what happens when you stop having a torso again."

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'Physical matter can pass unobstructed through the space visually occupied by that region.'

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"Right, but - 'a skeleton walks into a bar and says, 'gimme a beer and a mop' - '"

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"If liquids are leaving your torso it's customary to allow them to do that in the bathroom, into the toilet."

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'No liquids enter my torso except incidentally, the way any other physical matter might,' they try.

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"Does the glass still have all the drink in it?"

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'No.'

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"Where did the drink you drank go?"

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'I converted it to a small amount of magical energy.'

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"Oh, huh. So you can actually eat, after a fashion."

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"Is there anything you might be able to convert to a large amount of magical energy?"

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'The process costs approximately as much energy as it creates.  It is only definitively net positive because the concept of drinking is moderately aesthetic.'

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"What about - uh, the kind of oil that does the rainbows; that's both very pretty and probably real calorically dense - "

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'I have not tried it.'

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Cam offers them a shot glass.

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Ancora sips from it a few times.

 

 

'I do not believe I find this to be a method of magic generation in accord with my tastes,' they determine.  'Convenient though it would be if it were.'

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"Alas."

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"So that still leaves karaoke nights as your best bet for getting magic the fastest?"

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'More people becoming vampires or obtaining souls would presumably be faster.'

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"Okay, but that's not a good idea till you can push a revamp, so to speak."

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'Yes.'

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"Is literal karaoke good or will we mostly be playing instruments?"

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'That question gestures at concepts I have not been introduced to.'

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"Karaoke is a custom where people put on instrumental tracks for songs with lyrics and sing the lyrics, with text prompts in case they don't have them memorized."

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'I have also not modeled a physical throat in sufficient detail to be able to produce humanlike vocalizations.'

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"It might be worth the investment in learning to sing! Would you like a throat anatomy lesson?"

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'Yes.'

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Cam digs up med school files and provides.

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Ancora studies intently and asks lots of questions for several hours without making visible (or audible) progress; it doesn't seem like their ridiculous learning curve applies here.  Though they eventually think to try modeling and rigging a digital throat, which they seem to find helpful despite it not yielding direct results.  They at one point request tissue samples to inspect, sending Judy ewww-fully and catfully upstairs.

After half a day they want to break for some instrumental music; after an hour or two of that, they ask, 'How does one knock.'

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"Like this." Cam knocks on the nearest surface. "Uh, the sound alone will probably do if that's hard for whatever reason."

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They don't leave immediately but seem to be having trouble forming further questions on the subject.

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"Something wrong?"

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'Where, when, and why does one knock.'

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"Oh, normally one knocks to alert someone in a room that you are there and want to come in, or have them come out and talk to you. Then you wait for them to open the door or tell you to come in."

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'I see.'  And they teleport off, taking the fancy end table Cam demonstrated on with them.

 

They bring it back when they return (along with Judy, who squeaks), and flop dramatically onto one of their chaises longues, their hair and skirt clipping through it and into the floor.  The rest of them - with the exception of their hands - doesn't line up perfectly either; parts of them mostly either pass through the fabric or hover slightly off it rather than successfully appearing to touch.

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"Yeah, like that - uh, that was a lot better than the first time but probably you should count down from three or something before teleporting people; it's just inherently very startling - "

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"...where's the cat, it won't be able to come get us if it's days up there -"

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Judy squeaks again and runs upstairs.

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Ancora remains flopped.

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"What were you fetching her for?"

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'I asked of her the questions I had intended to before.  We reached a point in the conversation where it was decided your input would also be valuable.'

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"Oh. Why did you bring the table?"

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'To knock on.'

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"Usually you knock on a door, I just didn't have one in reach."

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'I see.'

They curl up a bit on their side.  It's a much more legible expression of misery than they have ever managed while vertical.

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"What's the matter?"

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'Everything continues to be much worse than I had thought it was even though I had already determined the situation to be terrible.'  They shift again.  'I asked Judy for suggestions of non-weather mediums with which to convey emotion.  This is comprehensible?'

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"Yes, I could tell you looked upset."

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'That at least is good.

I would additionally take suggestions from you as well, had you any to offer.'

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"...I probably usually look upset but I'm not sure how to operationalize it."

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They nod.

'Judy claimed you found my magic's interface disconcerting.'

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"Oh - yeah, it's - very attention-grabbing."

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'Do you have suggestions for improvements.'

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"If it had a less - excitable nature that would help. It'd be preferable to need to actually mean to consult it as opposed to just thinking at all about magic before it made suggestions."

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'I can presumably manage less excitable given the level of my optimism compared to when I first imprinted the interface.  How do you propose it should handle cases where recipients are unaware there is magic to consult.'

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"It could make itself more known until told to go away? And advertise that it can be re-accessed later by wanting to."

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'That seems an accomplishable course.'  They acquire a wing and . . . sort of hide under it.

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"Is something else bothering you?"

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'Something else other than what.'

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"Other than what I have already commented on."

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'I learned of the broad strokes of what happened the night Judy acquired magic.'

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"- yeah. That sounded pretty bad."

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'She was herself unwilling to supply detail but gave permission to ask it of you.'

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"...oh boy. Uh, I didn't take very detailed notes. She was - attacked by a vampire - and in the process got sangrade powers - and in self defense made the vampire like her a lot - and they wound up having a very concerning relationship subsequent to that."

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'She claimed there was video footage of the event.'

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"Do you want to see?"

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'I think it wise to.'  They sit up - or, well, levitate themself into a sitting position - and peek out from behind the wing, though they keep it around and still largely in front of them.

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Cam pulls up the video.

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They watch.

They lie back down and again cocoon themself under their wing.

They search their computer for 'very sad violin-cello duets sheet music'.

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Judy saunters down the stairs, cat over shoulder.  "Thanks for that, Cam, good call; it doesn't seem like it was that long but - uh.  . . . Jeez.  You, uh, practicing looking sad, Ancora?"

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'Yes.'

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"Well.  Good job, very convincing."

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Cam will play the violin part of a duet if Ancora wishes.

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Actually they're just going to stay under here for a bit.

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Also valid.

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". . . Are you actually sad or just . . ."

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"I think they're actually sad and doing this instead of weather."

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"Gosh, okay."

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'I apologize for the harm I have done you.'

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"It's fi - it's not, like, fine fine, but you're sorry and going to fix it, and I have magic powers and access to cool technology and fun clothes I couldn't wear other places - " she is currently in a very colorful 1890sish getup " - and steering power to affect how things go from here, and I'm generally doing pretty okay.  So that's like, mostly fine, and heading in a good direction to get the rest of the way there."

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'I see.'

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"Uh, that said - why did you include the thing where.  Sometimes vampires go feral."

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'It was not an intended feature.  I have not yet identified the cause with much confidence.'

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"Is it definitely downstream of an intended feature, or could it have been - an accident, like it was in source material but you didn't understand the source material you were drawing on well, or introduced after the fact somehow?"

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'My current conjecture is that vampires deviating sufficiently from my aesthetic vision causes them to consume more magic than they supply to the system as a whole by a significant enough margin that it breaks something vital.  I am yet uncertain why that would cause this effect in particular.'

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"Does drinking blood provide more magic?"

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They curl up further, sweeping another insubstantial wing into existence and through the chaise to hide behind.

 

'Yes.'

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"So that's - probably why."

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'Yes.

 

It would be convenient if I had different aesthetics.'

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"Is that something you can do? Human aesthetic tastes change over time. - 'human' here considered broadly."

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'I have incorporated several concepts I had not previously encountered into mine.  I do not seem able to - shift the core.  Though I have not yet tried very hard to.'

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"And the core is... vampirism."

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'Approximately.'

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"Approximately?"

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'It is more the collection of individual aspects than the whole of the concept, though I find there to be a coherency to which aspects are included and which are not.'

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"What are the important parts?"

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'Immortality.  Self-determination, power.  Elegance.  Miscellaneous concrete visual qualities which are not concisely reportable by verbal means.'

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"Huh. Why vampires and not, like, Elves."

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'I was introduced to vampires and not to Elves when I first arrived on Earth.  And my list of important parts was not exhaustive.'

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"Fair enough. I don't think I've run into an idea anything like sangrades before, did you make that up?"

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'It seemed the best available route to encouraging the spread of magic and ensuring the moral treatment of those whose blood was drank, within the bounds of my aesthetics.'  They peek out at Judy.  'Or attempting to ensure.'

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(Judy looks at the floor and pets her cat.)

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"How was it supposed to ensure that?"

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'By giving them their own magic.'

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"So you were - what, aware but not in the right level of detail of the possibility of hostility -"

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"I mean in fairness it probably does mostly work once you get rid of the feralness, right.  Other possible forms of mistreatment are mostly - slower.  Although then why the vessel thing - or, I guess that still makes sense for other reasons . . ."

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"Vessel thing?"

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"Where if I put blood in a cup or whatever before drinking it, the person it came from doesn't get any magic."

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"Oh, yeah. That totally allows you to keep people chained up in your basement and occasionally go all Red Cross on 'em."

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Ancora sends Cam more sheet music.

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Cam picks up his violin and plays obligingly.

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They return to their standard illegibility upon rising, although gosh that sure is some sad cello.

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Judy doesn't cry at the sad cello but does get very slightly misty-eyed.  After the first song she interrupts.  " - Um.  Disclaimer, I've met exactly three vampires that I know of, but my impression of the ones extant today is that - well they do mostly seem to be rich jerks, as far as I can tell.  But even rich jerks mmmostly don't chain people up in their basements?  Like probably it's ever happened, but.  - Actually I don't even know if that's true; there might be few enough vamps that it hasn't.  But in any case it doesn't seem like quite the right . . . trope."

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"I didn't mean to suggest I thought basement blood banks were epidemic, just that they didn't seem structurally inconvenient for vampire reasons. Do they seem to be - tropey? I guess being rich jerks is arguably a trope."

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"I don't think they're inherently tropey; I just didn't have a better word for the thing."

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(Ancora keeps veeeeery quietly playing.)

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Cam nods. Picks up the violin line.

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Midway through the song after next, they declare (over their continued playing), 'From the information I have available there are at least no obvious candidates for potential basement blood banks.'

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"...good?"

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'Yes.'  Cello cello.  'Though this is not entirely sufficient to rule out the possibility.'

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"I mean, I could conjure for it, but it doesn't seem like an especially efficient use of time."

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'I suppose not.

Should all instances of blood-drinking give both parties magic, in your opinion.'

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"I... guess? If the magic is otherwise patched."

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'I was also concerned with the potential mistreatment of vampires,' they attempt to justify.  'And I am uncertain that blood drank indirectly will provide enough magic to the system as a whole for two people.'

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". . . Is sipping blood out of a wine glass really so much less appealing to you than - " she mimes the awkwardness and hesitancy she exhibited when drinking from Cam towards her own arm.

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Can they winghide standing up yes it transpires they can what a useful innovation.  Their bow sticks out through their secondaries.

'Yes.'

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"Why?"

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"If you don't have insight into this that's fine, I was just curious."

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'I do not believe I have insight into this beyond that it is inherent to my essence.'

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"If it's ever important we can try querying you with slightly varied scenarios and seeing what improves and what worsens the aesthetic." Shrug.

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'I understand the content of my own aesthetics.  If not their origin.'

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"If it's ever important to communicate it, then."

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Unwinghide.  Nod.  'Communication is much more difficult than understanding, in this field.'

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Nod nod.

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They play for a while longer before putting down the cello, performing a likely-unintentionally-cheerful wave, and teleporting out.

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". . . Guess they didn't actually feel like talking about how to fix their magic system right now."

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"It would seem not. At some point we could remind them that you are mortal and potentially stircrazy and time is a factor."

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"I mean, magic can do aging and stuff; it's not that urgent.  But next time you see them maybe remind them that they had a few questions for you about Clippy - probably don't call it Clippy to their face.  Or mask.  Thing."

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"The reference would presumably be lost on them."

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"Also apparently saying their name wrong literally hurts them if you do it in front of them, and that seems like - maybe the same genre of thing, I dunno."

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"Huh, maybe."

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"They said 'Ancora' was fine, just not trying and messing up the syllables after that."

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"Oh thank goodness, I was getting tired of trying to pronounce the entire thing whenever they were around."

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"It's so long.  Why is it so long."

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"I guess if you do not strictly speaking talk out loud then you lose a lot of pressure to shorten things."

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"I guess so . . .  How did the throat-ing go; any progress on that?"

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"They were attentive but I don't know if they have enough knowhow to make it work yet."

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"Makes sense.  Guess it might be a while given that they said the hands took them like a decade - "

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Knock knock.

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...what is Ancora knocking on?

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They seem to have brought the door from their room with them.

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"...you don't have to knock to enter public places, such as this one, but I appreciate the thought."

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'I see.'  They teleport away and return shortly, doorless.

Also they look kind of completely different now!  Still the same model of person, as it were, but styled very unlike how they were before.

All of the red is gone from their outfit, though it remains in their eyes; they no longer have any amount of skirt, 1880s or otherwise; their jacket is gone, leaving only a vest and dress shirt.  Their pants are higher-waisted than previously, with two columns of metal buttons in lieu of a zipper, and their footwear has changed from knee-high boots to sharp dress shoes.  More of their face is visible; they still have a mask but it's a domino rather than a full-coverage skull, and their hair is pulled back in a ponytail instead of floofing out dramatically in all directions.

All of the items have black as their base color, though some have dense, intricate floral designs in gold on top of that: their mask, scrunchie, vest, sleeve cuffs, nail polish, and shoes.

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"I like your new outfit."

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"Very sleek," Judy agrees.

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Ancora nods.

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"Why the update?"

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'My visual form is also a medium for artistic expression.  And -

I am a different shape of person from the one who entered here, so it is fitting that I be a different shape of person in a more literal sense.  It was overdue.'

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"Cool. Humans do that too sometimes, revamp their look to commemorate a new life chapter."

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. . . winghide.

(Their wings have also gotten a new design: solid black on the backs, gold pattern on the inside; less-prominent claws.)

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"What does it mean when you do that?"

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Unwinghide.  'In this specific instance or in general.'

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"Both."

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'I am still learning about human and human-adjacent emoting and cannot yet compose a description for the general use.  In this instance: my arrival at Milliways indeed marked the start of a better course to the future than would otherwise have occurred.  But the changes to my visual form were not a joyous expression of that fact.'

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"Yeah, you've been having kind of a time."

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They nod.

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". . . You were going to ask Cam about, erm, how the magic communicates with and feels to people who're using it?" prompts Judy.

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'I did this previously, and have now produced the rough draft of an attempted revision.'

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"Oh?"

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Ancora nods again.

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"Like, magically?"

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Nod.

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"I thought you said there wouldn't be any progress on that for a few weeks."

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'Yes.'

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"Have you been gone for weeks subjective?"

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'Yes.'

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"Oh. I hope you weren't lonely. We haven't been here nearly that long."

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''Lonely'?'

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"Maybe artists don't get lonely."

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'What is 'loneliness'.'

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"Wanting to be around people and interact with them, instead of being alone."

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They consider this.

'I sometimes prefer to interact with people.  It did me no harm to be away from them for that duration under those circumstances.'

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Nod nod.

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'Would you like to sample and give feedback on the new draft of the magical interface at this time.'

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"Sample like have what I've got swapped out?"

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'It involves changes to the magic system as a whole.  Given that time is paused for all other vampires this will affect only Judy and yourself.'

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"If we don't like it can we switch back?"

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'Yes.'

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"Yeah, sure then."

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"Uh, we're kind of on cooldown right now; we'd get any magic from me drinking Cam's blood but not the full effect - can you do anything about that; special-case us or something?  That'd be really really helpful in general."

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'Somewhat.  I cannot eliminate it entirely.'

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"That's fair.  And, oh - probably we can just ask you about conjured blood instead of trying it; does conjured blood work."

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'That depends upon some specifics.'

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"What specifics?"

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Consider consider.

'Conjuring blood directly in Judy's stomach would create no magic.  Judy drinking from a basement-dweller corresponding to no existing person would create no magic.  Judy drinking from a basement-dweller of yourself would create magic for the both of you.'

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"Conjuring blood in a cup?"

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'Would create magic for Judy.'

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"What about . . . a popsicle.  Of blood.  But like in a pretty design."

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'If it were Cam's blood, that would create magic for the both of you.'

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"...really pretty cup? Decorative blood fountain?"

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'The visual design of the method of conveyance has no direct bearing on whether the blood's source receives magic.  The fountain would create magic for the source only via the blood which was created in the air, before the first time it had its weight supported by the fountain.  After that, only the drinker could receive magic from it.'

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"...then why does the popsicle work?"

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'Which aspect is causing confusion.'

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"If the popsicle didn't work then I'd imagine that in order for me to get magic the blood has to be consumed from me or a sufficiently me-like vessel such as a basement dweller, but I don't know what principle covers popsicles and not cups."

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'The popsicle, from my understanding of the concept, is a substance frozen around a solid core rather than being supported by a solid object it is enveloped within.'  Thoughtful wingflap.  'Placing a popsicle within a cup means that thereafter its source would not receive magic.  And I do not believe one could conventionally make a relevantly-functional popsicle; only through conjuration is this a practical consideration.'

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"You could do it in zero gravity?"

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'Possibly.'

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"Okay. What if the cup was made of... my bone?"

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'Only Judy would receive magic.'

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"Why is the bone not okay but the basement dweller is?"

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'A basement dweller is not a cup.'

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"Why the fixation on cups?  Are they aesthetically super important?"

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'Not especially.  When I devised the magic system, I - programmed - rules about cups specifically.  For cases which less clearly involve that binary, the rulings seem to have been extrapolated from my aesthetics at the time.'

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"Seem to have been?"

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'Yes.'

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"...can you elaborate?"

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'I imagine it to be similar to the case where vampires find their sapience degraded when looking less vampiric than my tastes dictate, though I did not intentionally include that outcome.'

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"...it specifically happens when they don't look vampiric enough?"

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Are winghides confusing now??  Ancora starts one but aborts the gesture.  'Yes.'

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"...huh. How did that - emerge -"

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'I don't understand the question.'

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"What underlying features of the situation combined to result in that?"

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''Vampires deviating from my aesthetic vision causes them to lose higher reasoning and become more likely to attack people because looking insufficiently vampiric means they draw on more magic than they create and drinking blood feeds magic into the system' is still the conjecture which seems most likely to me.'

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"Huh, okay. - do I have to worry about this at all, being a sangrade and not a vampire?"

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'Not at all,' they confirm.  'Even if you take on vampiric traits, reverting from them will cause you no ill effects.'

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"Oh good."

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"Sample time?  I guess I'll take a bloodsicle.  - Or actually, uh, what did you do, Ancora; what should I be on the lookout for to give feedback on."

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'I attempted to make the interface feel less aggressively cheerful and to diminish into unnoticeability when not being used.'

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"Seems like a good thing to aim for."  She holds out her hand.

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Cam gives her a bloodsicle.

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She chomps it; she's never liked waiting for these things to melt and that seems even weirder when it's blood and there's people waiting on her.

Possibly this was too fast, because it looks like she maybe gave herself a brain freeze; she - pauses, and her face falls, and then Cam might be too distracted to pay attention to that because

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Clippy is sad now.  Clippy is so so sad and guilty and sorry about everything and guilty.  Here is the list of things Cam can do with his magic.  Maybe having magic will help with the overwhelming terribleness of everything ever?  Someday?  But until then :'( sadguilty.

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"...that's worse," Cam tells Ancora.

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'How so.'

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"It's depressing."

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"Do you wanna - you should just spend it off; I'll keep it around to check if the rest of it is working right - "

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Yeah, he'll dump the magic into more grace.

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Yayy :(

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"Gone now."

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"So this has kind of adorable implications for the first time around, honestly."

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"It really does."

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'I would benefit from being supplied with additional detail.'

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"It seems like - you're emotionally leaking into the magic's affect, and it was very cheerful before and it's depressed now, so that implies that you're depressed now but were very cheerful before."

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'I initially knew of no reason to be anything but entirely optimistic about the spread of vampirism.'

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"Yeah, I get it."

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"Now that you know about the leakage do you think you'll be able to avoid it or do we just have to table this part till you're less sad."

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'I may be able to construct an entirely new interface.  I do not expect to be able to adequately revise the current one without risk of repeating this situation.'

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"Can you revert it?"

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'Yes, over a short but not instant time.'

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"Okay. Whenever's convenient."

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"I mean, should we keep it around a while, see if there's any other aspects worth keeping or avoiding in future versions."

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"I guess if you want to poke it you can, I can spend it down as soon as I get it if you want more popsicle."

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"That was enough popsicle for now and probably anything important will have made itself apparent before next time."  She chews a bit on the stick.  Obviously whatever they could learn from repeating this isn't really worth piling extra guiltysad on Cam, but having her deal with it for a while is basically costless, or possibly an active moral good.

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"Okay."

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"Sorry again for trying to kill you and stuff."

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"Somebody beat you to it so I am no worse for wear."

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"Not like I knew that, though," she mumbles.  "So I don't think I get any points for it."

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Shrug.

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Yeah, she's just gonna sit here and pet her cat a while.

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Ancora spends a few minutes looking into the middle distance and idly playing the nearest keyboard one-handed.  'What aspect of the magic system has the next highest priority for me to correct.'

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"I think the vampires going feral thing is probably the most important."

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'Have you a better solution in mind than fully preventing vampires from changing their appearances in those directions.'

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"I don't know exactly what kind of constraints you're working under. Could you have them fall back to human nonmagical cognition if their magic is inadequate?"

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'I do not think so, but I am uncertain that I correctly understand you.'

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"Well, before somebody is a vampire they don't go crazy due to inadequate aesthetic, right, they're just a human and they think with their brain. Is the transformation process - destroying something about the underlying physicalist setup, such that they can no longer do that?"

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'A person with one of my souls is no longer entirely reductionist, though by default only a very small piece of magic is attached to them.  Further additions run on magic, and vampires are yet more, and less extricably, entwined.'

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"And you can't just - disable the further additions if the magic coming in isn't enough -?"

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Apparently this warrants staring at Judy for a while.  They return to their monodextrous piano playing.

 

'A very new vampire who had only invested magic into the requirements therefor would I think not experience anything worse than a brief loss of consciousness, if I set up the system correctly.  Anything more than that is likely to cause some amount of damage if removed abruptly, though perhaps an amount preferable to what already occurs.  Some cases would be fatal.'

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"...oh dear."

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'The most obvious such case is a vampire who sustained brain damage which they magically healed.  But it is a class with unclear borders and I am unconfident in my ability to handle edge cases gracefully in advance.'

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"Yeah... the magic healing doesn't get the brain to a stable state?"

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'It is stably entwined with the magic.'

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". . . In the best case scenario, you said they still pass out; why is that.  Same reason people pass out for a minute when turning into a vampire or a different one?"

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'The underlying reasons are similar.'

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"Hm."

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"Why do people pass out when turning into vampires?"

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'Becoming a vampire alters a person from being fundamentally physical with magical additions to being fundamentally both physical and magical.  I did not in initially creating the system discover a way for this change to occur while the subject was conscious.'

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"Hm. I wonder if you could - borrow ideas from uninterruptible power supplies -"

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'For example.'

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Cam digs up his electrical engineering notes and gives an impromptu lesson on 2152's UPS standards.

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'I think the issue may be more inherent.'

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"What does that mean?"

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'I do not think it is possible to borrow ideas from uninterruptible power supplies to this end.'

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"Okay but why? Magic is supplying something vampires need, it should not be interrupted - are batteries inherently impossible? Isn't there some vampire story somewhere you can crib from with vampires who have some kind of power source situation?"

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Apparently considering this requires more piano.  - Though after just a few seconds Ancora looks up, a little sharply, their playing uninterrupted.  'To the end of eliminating vampire animalisticness as a whole.'

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"...beg pardon?"

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'You raised the idea of uninterruptible power supplies to the end of eliminating vampire animalisticness as a whole, not to the end of eliminating the brief period of unconsciousness one experiences at the moment of becoming a vampire.'

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"Yes."

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'That may be less inherent.'

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"Oh. Good. It's more important than blacking out for a moment."

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They ponder and play, something improvised with a lot of long and floating arpeggios.

 

'It is accomplishable in principle,' they determine.  'Other facets of the system already draw on a similar idea.  I expect in the event of catastrophe it will increase the likelihood of my death.'

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"...would you be inserting yourself as the battery backup?"

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'I am already the basis for the system as a whole.  If a large number of vampires simultaneously changed themselves to look more conventionally human while they could draw from a pool of all my magic instead of ones more isolated to themselves, this would naturally have the effect of draining the larger pool.'  An unusually discordant arpeggio.  'With which my attentional capacity scales.'

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"Hm. And you definitely can't set it up so they don't require constant access to magic for thinking?"

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'Not definitely.  Though I have no ideas for how to go about that; it would likely involve reconstructing the entire system and abandoning the existing one.'

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". . . The batteries are a better - more elegant - idea, but it kind of sounded like maybe you could de-vamp people at all, just not like, automatically or at scale or something?  If that's so could you - use it to patch things, even if it's not built in; have the interface advertise that that's an option."

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'Possibly.  Some cases would still carry risk of damage.'

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"Which cases?"

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Contemplative contemplation.

 

'If a human brain is in some ways like a vine which grows densely within a particular volume which is in some ways like a human mind, then becoming a vampire is in some ways like adding a second plant in that same area, which grows alongside and entangled with the first.  Ripping out the second plant would certainly greatly damage the first if there were any more than a very small amount of it, but one could in most cases meticulously pick them apart.  In others, they may be too entwined to cause no damage whatsoever even with great care, though it would still certainly be less than indiscriminate tearing.'

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"That's a helpful analogy, thank you. Could you set up - gradual dieback of the second plant -"

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'I do not believe that is an area to which the metaphor extends.  Unless I misunderstand you.'

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"Like if the plant isn't ripped out all at once but gradually shrivels up, it will leave the original plant time to find ways to support itself without the new plant, and then you can probably -" He makes an illustrative bonsai shrub with some ivy in it. "Here the ivy's alive -" He pulls on it, the shrub bends and creaks. He makes another with the ivy dead. The ivy can be tugged out, with some breakage but exclusively on the ivy's part.

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'I seem to have understood you correctly.'

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Cam sets the shrub aside. "Could you, hm, magically place stably-nonmagical reinforcements to the metaphorical shrubbery that will make it robust to losing the metaphorical ivy?"

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'With personal attention, likely; automatically, no.'

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"How many vampires are there, about?"

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'Hundreds.'  Flap.  'Though the rate has been increasing recently.'

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"How feasible would it be to go through those hundreds once time is unpaused and port them all over to a safer system?"

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'Relatively.  Any complications preventing that plan would be unlikely to arise from that aspect in particular.'

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"Okay. So, should - that plus a general redesign - be the default plan here?"

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'Perhaps.  It is likely to be time-consuming, but remotely ensouling Earth's population will be as well, and I am unwilling to fail to prevent any more permanent deaths.'

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"I appreciate that about you."

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H . . . eadtilt.

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"...is that confusing?"

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'It seems an odd framing for something so obviously important.  Artists cannot stop having experiences in the same way; my discovery of death's existence alarmed and distressed me greatly.'  They straighten their neck.  'I wonder whether demons could resurrect artists.'

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"...probably not, you seem kind of made of magic. And also minds. The thing that works with the Elves is a hack to do with their being cyborgs."

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'Your conjuration of objects of my design increases my pool of magic.'

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"I guess it's possible that I could - recreate key artworks in a way that could jumpstart some magical process that would ultimately result in a resurrection. I'd bet against but I'd be happy to try if you have someone in mind."

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''Some magical process'?'

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"I'm assuming recreating a lost complete work won't do it all by itself, though I guess I could be wrong."

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'Artists cannot stop having experiences in the same way that humans can,' Ancora tries repeating.

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"- oh, you don't mean, like, hypothetically if one managed to die, you mean if one - ran out of magic and was - paralyzed or -?"

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'Our attention scales with our artful success.  If projects go extraordinarily poorly, we can become so diminished that there is too little consciousness to create any more art, and be trapped as a mote of misery and unfulfillment.'

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"Ah. But me making random art does not so far as I'm aware spawn or revive artists, so it would still have to be something they made, right?"

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'Yes.  This could be difficult in practice because very nearly all artists, and as far as I am aware all other artists previous to my return to that realm, create work only in the medium of natural design, where factors such as movement, ambient temperature, and occasionally magic are essential components.  But I do not imagine there would be an inherent restriction.'

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"Natural design?"

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'Yes.  Designing nature.'

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"Some demons are pretty into that, though probably we have different constraints."

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'I received the most magic on items of my own design which you had no input in.  It may be difficult to determine some qualities of the original vision from only conjuration.  Though this is a lower priority than existing projects, especially given that they cannot further deteriorate and do not suffer while I remain in Milliways.'

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"Just wanna establish that honestly your thing sounds way way worse to me than just not existing anymore, so like, twinsiiiies, in terms of our reactions to each other's species' forms of death," Judy interjects flatly.

(Ever since the phrase 'remotely ensouling Earth's population', she's been considering the logistics of how they're going to do that.  The most obvious thing based on what she knows is for her to very briefly sim each person, and if she gets up to an average of one per minute - which is probably a good figure for wild estimates because it seems both way too high and way too low - that puts her at about . . . two thousand years.

Wait no, seven billion people, not just one: fourteen thousand years.  Ish.  As a wild guess.

 

 

Holy crap.

 

. . . . . She's allowed to just like, die, right?  Like, she has a really big obligation here but not fourteen thousand years' worth, surely, and she's definitely allowed to just die well before those are up; they can get someone else to do their vampire-ing.

- Presumably they can also bring other people into the loop for vampire-ing purposes well before that, a bunch of them, maybe from Cam's world or something, and so she already wouldn't have to do all the ensouling one at a time all by herself.  And in that amount of time probably Ancora can make - some sort of metaphorical bomb or something, that blasts everyone who hasn't already got one with souls, all at once, and even if none of that's the case she has a right to die before fourteen thousand years are up, so it's fine.  It's all going to be fine.)

( - 'A mote of misery and unfulfillment' - yikes, and here she was freaking out about being maybe kind of bored for an incomprehensibly long but finite time, not being made of nothing but suffering for apparently eternity - )

 

((This is a lot to process and so she's going to cut herself some slack for not saying things exactly when they're conversationally appropriate.  Although actually that does seem to have slipped out at a mostly relevant point.  Woo.))

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"I think I got the best death-related deal personally."

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'Might there be any chance of spreading that to my Earth.'

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"I don't know but it bears experimentation. The experimentation would require time to run in Judy's world though."

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'I am unwilling to fail to prevent any more permanent deaths.'

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"Well, I'm not sure people with vampire style souls will turn into daeva even if they perform summonings and that would work on people without vampire-style souls."

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"We could probably sim it."

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"...yes, although that would give the participants souls, so it'd have to be someone who wouldn't miss being a daeva too bad."

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"Bet we could come at it sideways, not target anyone relevant directly.  - Gosh."  She smacks her forehead.  "We could probably get a lot out of going at Sauron sideways too."

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"Perhaps! You have more experience with this than I."

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"I mean that's how we found out about the switch in the first place; there's probably more to learn there."

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'I would benefit from additional context.'

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"Sauron is a surviving and also evil Maia who was oathed harmless as part of the end to the war and apparently he has a deadman switch in case someone takes it into their head to kill him anyway."

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"Which I found out when simming what Cam would do with omnipotence, and given that he then dealt with it omnipotently we don't have information on what would happen if someone less overpowered tried it."

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'I see.'

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"And we don't want to sim Sauron directly lest he acquire a soul."

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 - nod.

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"He's -

- very bad."

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'I understand.'  Flap.  'And Maiar are already inherently magical beings.'

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"They are, yes."

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'Therefore even in the case where he is killed and soulless, should some situation arise where the state of his death is no longer desirable, retrieval will still be in principle possible.'

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"Sounds about right. You'd just need some kind of - containment plan."

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'Is there a particular motion or pose I should use to communicate that I am considering possible configurations for a response, as opposed to not having a response at all.'

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"...you could say 'hmmm'?"

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''Hmm',' they try.  'Was that comprehensible.'

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"Yeah."

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'Hmm,' they repeat.

 

'I have many higher priorities than in practice bringing about the continued existence of evil individuals.  But the true, irrevocable annihilation of any thinking being is abhorrent to me.'

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"Yeah. It's a good principle to have. I'd just - my preference ordering is something like, Sauron being on metaphorical ice in some way that can't accidentally be cracked open waiting for the glorious future in which he can be safely kept around, is better than Sauron being dead, is better than Sauron being able to... take... actions."

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'Is there a sense in which he is not presently safely contained by the oath.'

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"He is still capable of animal cruelty, deadman switches, and talking to people."

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'I will defer to your judgement on this subject.'

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"Thank you."

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'I am unsure to what extent I can include exemptions for specific individuals when constructing magic systems.  It may be required that all resurrections of Maiar happen by my direct action rather than being spreadable, if we don't wish to risk other parties having access to the option to retrieve him.'

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"That would be... inconvenient. It might be that Maiar could pull other Maiar out if there were enough of them, though possibly if that were something they could do the ones who survived on Endorë would already be coordinating about it."

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'It is less infeasible than it would be if my attention did not scale with success.  But in several respects not as ideal as the alternative.'

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Nod nod.

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'Not least because causing other entities to have more power to act in the world - when not opposed to my own essence - is itself something which gains me magic.'

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"...huh, that's interesting."

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'How so.'

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"It doesn't strike me as much like an art project even to the extent that implementing vampires is."

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'Hmm.

Becoming more powerful is to me an important part of the vampiric aesthetic.  Or my general aesthetics from which I formed vampirism.'

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"Yeah, that makes sense, I just wouldn't have predicted it."

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'I am not aware of any members of my species with as broad a range of potential magic sources as I.'

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"Do you know what makes you different?"

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'Not beyond being a happenstance outlier in the evolutionary direction my species is pointed in.  Though I once hypothesized that any similarly-broad artists would have left our mutual plane of origin once they gained the ability, decreasing the likelihood that I would know of their existence.'

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"Nobody would have told you?"

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'I expect it would have come up if anyone I was acquainted with knew, but they also would have been less likely to.  And our plane is infinite while our population is not.'

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"How do you know it's infinite?"

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'Intra-planar teleportation is sooner achievable than extra-.'

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"So you're pretty spread out?"

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'For the most part.'

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"Is there like one major artist city?"

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'No.

Though I suppose I may not have heard of it if there was.  But in that case there being exactly one seems still unlikely.'

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"Fair enough. The natural design thing doesn't sound like it'd really lend itself to cities."

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'The most densely populated locales I entered tended to be the most dangerous for that reason.'

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"Dangerous?"

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'The most prominent threat to artists is by far our conspecifics.  In most situations this is not of particular concern in absolute terms, but when there is an unusually high number of us in a given region, it is generally because multiple artists care about having their own projects adjacent to each other, or have a vision which requires sprawl, and have left each other inadequate room for expansion.'

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"Ah. And they will once in a while vandalize somebody else's stuff to get them out of the way?"

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'Yes.  It's horrific.'

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'I am relieved despite disliking all other members of my species I have met that demons may be able to aid in this issue.'

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"I hope I can bring them back. I don't think there's... room... here, for landscape installations, but once I don't need to be in the bar anymore."

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'Even to the extent it makes sense to be impatient outside of time this is a particularly non-urgent issue.'

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"Understood."

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'What elements ought be included in the new magic system, if I am to start over.'

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"Good question. Does it have to be something I have ever seen associated with vampires at all?"

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'Not inherently.  And I would hear even ideas you consider it unlikely that I could include, as it seems useful in learning what to aim at and I may be able to achieve similar things by different means.'

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"The daeva powersets are all nice, especially the indestructibility, the other things all having violent applications. ...short of wading into a fight knowing you can't be scratched, which isn't nothing but at least isn't overwhelming. If you can't give them full on fairy teekay you could probably get a lot of utility mileage out of something more limited in weight limit or range. You've already got healing and teleporting in there, which is cool..."

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'Significantly lessened destructibility is already possible in the existing system, though it is not as thorough as the daeva version and requires substantial investment.  Perhaps I could include a temporary version, in the same manner as the cognitive boosts and shapeshifting.'

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"I guess, although one of the nice things about indestructibility is that it works even if you don't see something coming."

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'Humans are very fragile.  Having the consistent version available immediately would likely be intractably expensive.'

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"Could you make it react to incoming danger on its own instead of requiring manual activation?"

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'I do not think that is possible without perhaps designing a new version of the simulation power which runs constantly, which would also be expensive.  Would offering humans the option to become a kind of entirely magical being, with no physical substrate, in conjunction with eventually-available resurrection for the ones who do not choose that, serve your ends.'

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"Well, what effects would being substrateless have?"

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'That would of course depend on how I designed it.'

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"Naturally, but like, what are your constraints there. In particular it sounds worrying on the 'catastrophic failure if they do something unaesthetic interrupting their magic supply' front."

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'I suspect cutting off entirely-magic beings into their own pools may be feasible in a way that doing the same for physical ones is not, though I am unsure because this idea only just occurred to me and I have not investigated it very thoroughly.

Hm.

 

I raise the concept of incorporating non-biological physical substrates through the use of magic.'

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"Some kind of... fantasy cyborg situation?"

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'Yes.  Or androids, or bodiless uploads.'  Wing-adjust.  'My aesthetics are much more aligned with androids than uploads but not counter to the latter.'

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"Why would this work better than biological substrate?"

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'I imagine it would be much easier to solve the fragility issue, and might expedite or eliminate the need for resurrections via more-workable backups.'

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"Well, you can ask Alassëo for more information on Elf chips if you want to borrow design input from those."

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'Who is Alassëo.'

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"An Elf I invited in to make sure bar access to Arda isn't lost if I have some mishap."

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'That may prove a useful source of information.'

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"He's in the backyard. You might get along, the reason he's there is he doesn't think it's pretty enough in here. He sings very well."

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Ancora walks outside.

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Alassëo is in fact mid-song at the time, sitting on the shore of the lake and singing about lakes.

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They listen.

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Alassëo is better at singing than Cam is at violin.

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They listen raptly.  They're hardly going to interrupt to go fetch an instrument and they don't have a working throat yet.  But listen they certainly can.

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Well, then, they can be treated to several hours of singing before Alassëo notices they're there. "- hello?"

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'Hello.'

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"It's - nice to meet you. You're Cam's acquaintance? Ancora-bensilisi-fentiliane?"

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Ancora freezes, very briefly, then corrects: 'Ancorabenilisifentiliane.'

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"I'm sorry," he says, and repeats it more exactly.

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'I had heard recordings of Elven singers previously.  The experience is improved by direct presence.'

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"Is it? The recordings are high enough fidelity for us but we prefer live music too."

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Ancora nods.  'My senses differ in some ways from most humanoids.'

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"How so?"

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'I had to dull my vision and limit and adjust my color perception in order to use human screens.  I have no sense of taste.  There are likely many other differences I have yet to specifically identify.'

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"And you aren't speaking aloud, I think."

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'I suppose that could be considered sensory as well.'

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"I find that I think differently about sounds I could imitate and sounds I couldn't. Maybe that's just me."

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'Hm.  I may do this as well.  Elaborate?'

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"Oh, like, I can't do a very good impression of birdsong, so I might be inspired by it, but I wouldn't try to sound directly like a bird, whereas I often imitate a song's originator when I'm learning it to more completely understand their musical intent."

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Ancora nods.  'I do not usually attempt direct imitation even with the sorts of sounds I can produce, but there is perhaps a certain difference in mindset between listening to those and the sorts I cannot.'  A pause.  'And I may find imitation more useful when acquiring new methods of producing sound with which I am less practiced.'

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"How do you produce sounds?"

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'With instruments, largely.'

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"Maybe somewhere there's an instrument that can mimic singing."

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'I have seen and used synthesizers which were decent imitations, but not come across any sophisticated enough for real-time use rather than requiring substantial asynchronous adjustment.'

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"Hm, that makes sense. The bar inside has things from many worlds, doesn't she?"

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'Yes.  Searching for something with this capability has not been a priority of mine thus far.'

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"That's fair. If you've never sung before it wouldn't tend to seem important."

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'I am also uncertain whether I will be capable of singing songs with lyrics correctly, which seems like much of the appeal.'

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"Hm. If you could make the sounds you could memorize the lyrics by rote, couldn't you?"

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'Plausibly.  I am uncertain.'

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"Well, I hope you figure out something that works well for you."

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Ancora nods.  Their wing nearer to Alassëo twitches lightly.  'You are a skilled and woe-lessening vocalist.  But I came here to speak of your species's souls.'

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"Ah, what about them?"

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'I am considering using magic to enable the digitization of human minds.'

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"Ah! Well - it has many advantages -

- some disadvantages, too, of course -"

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They attempt to nod solemnly.  It looks pretty much the same as their default nod. 'I came in part to determine whether you had ideas for mitigating those disadvantages.'

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"Copy protection, I suppose."

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'I expect that to be feasible.  Should forking be entirely disallowed or permissible under certain circumstances.'

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"I'm... not sure. I suppose under some circumstances it should be allowed - without the Valar that would be how we'd do resurrections -"

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'Hmm.

The limitation as I currently imagine it would be on the number of simultaneous extant instances of a soul, rather than forbidding the creation of a new instance when there is not already one.'

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"- no, no, that wouldn't do. Then someone like the Enemy could make a copy as long as the first one had been destroyed."

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'I imagined a system where the destruction of an instantiation instantaneously prompted the creation of a new one in a predetermined location.'

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"Oh. That could work. Unless - something happened to the location."

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'I could likely specify contingency locations.'

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"Maybe..." He seems doubtful though.

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"Would these souls be like ours? Chips?"

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'I have not yet decided.'

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"Mm."

Alassëo is content to sit and watch little ripples and cloud shadows move across the lake.

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Ancora joins them in that for a few minutes.

'There would likely be issues for anyone in this system who did not prefer to have exactly one instance of themself.  I do not think I could designate special cases for different numbers in a structure set up the way I imagine.'

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"Some people like the idea of forking. I don't know that I would."

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'It is also my understanding that some people may eventually come to desire that they have no extant instances.  Though this is not an urge I myself can comprehend in more than the abstract.'

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"The people the Enemy had were forked from - before that happened to them."

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Ancora nods.

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"It makes some people nervous, because that means it would be a realistic simulation, if the Enemy rolled people back and told them they'd been captured and were a fork from before, but..."

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Another pause, and then Ancora turns and starts heading back to the door.

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"It was nice to meet you."

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'Likewise.'

They arrive inside.

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Cam is eating chicken fried rice and watching a 2068 drama, which he pauses when Ancora comes back in. "You and Alassëo get along?"

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They pick up a lyre and start playing it.  'He is a very skilled vocalist.'

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"They're all like that. When there's lots of them they form spontaneous choirs."

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They nod.  'We discussed the potential of digitizing humans.  I suspect the conversation would benefit from your perspective as well.'

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"Oh?"

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'Yes.'  They walk back outside.

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...Cam follows. "Hi, Alassëo."

"Hello."

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'I suspected several of your comments to have implications which I lacked the skill to interpret.  Cam and I have somewhat more experience in communication.'

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"Is there something you want me to repeat?" asks Alassëo.

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' - Hm.'

They ponder for a bit, then return to the position they were standing in for the earlier conversation even though it involves turning their back to Cam.

''I could likely specify contingency locations,'' they quote.

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"Contingency locations for what?" says Cam.

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They drop out of their assumed posture (there was a bit of resemblance to how they held themself for the table read, in retrospect) and face him again.  'We discussed the potential of limiting the number of instances of each digitized person to exactly one, in order to protect them from malicious forking.  Suggested alongside this was the instantaneous creation of a new copy upon the destruction of an old one, in a predetermined location, so that an ill-doer could not destroy an instance of a person in order to gain themself a new one in a situation more convenient to them.'

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"The predetermined location would have to be very secure."

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'Yes.'

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"Valinor would likely have been evaluated as secure by its occupants."

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'I could likely specify contingency locations?'

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"If they became widely known to be such they could be targets."

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'Was this the cause of your doubt,' Ancora asks Alassëo.

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He nods.

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'I see.'  Acting stance.  ''It is also my understanding that some people may eventually come to desire that they have no extant instances.  Though this is not an urge I myself can comprehend in more than the abstract.''

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"Some people do come to desire that. I... don't think that instances that Melkor had for a while should get to decide that they shouldn't be forked from earlier, but some people come to that conclusion more... clearheaded."

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'It seems a poor system if those desires could not be accomodated.'

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"Yeah. The clearheaded ones, anyway."

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'I should delegate determining which category people fall into.  I do not expect I would have an aptitude for it.'

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"Seems a reasonable guess."

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'Do you have any proposals for other methods of copy protection with fewer vulnerabilities.'

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"Uh, not off the top of my head. Something something encryption - do you know about encryption -"

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'It is like deception in that it makes something more confusing on purpose, but unlike deception in that it clearly and honestly denies someone information, and is backed by one's power instead of the redirection of attention away from the content one wishes to remain hidden?'

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"...I guess you could put it that way. Are you aware of any specific examples?"

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'I have encountered mentions of chiplocked content.'

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"Yeah, that's a sort of advanced concept though and I don't think it'll work well for this in particular - it encodes things with the way a particular brain works, which is why chiplocked content can't be accessed even by demons conjuring for it, but that relies very much on a physical brain taking particular mental actions."

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'What do you see working well for this in particular.'

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"There's a thing you can do where you can encrypt things in such a way that you can store them in multiple locations and need at least three of the backups to make a complete decryptable one."

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'I am capable of teleporting to random and random-within-given-parameters worlds in addition to ones I have already visited or am aware of.  Scarcity of locations would not limit this.'

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"Ah. Well, scratch that idea then..."

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'Oh?'

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"- maybe I misunderstood you? If a bad actor had your power they could find all the locations."

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'I expect none of my conspecifics to take an interest.  Perhaps nothing stable should be built upon that expectation, but are you aware of a way for other types of being to achieve the same result?  I had meant that we could spread locations across as many universes as seemed desirable.'

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"That does help, interdimensional travel abilities are probably rarer than intradimensional ones though I should maybe check that assumption with Bar."

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'Perhaps having thousands of locations and requiring hundreds of backups would be one useful security measure among many?'

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"Yeah, that sounds right."

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Ancora turns back to Alassëo.  'What other vulnerabilities concerned you.'