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kyeo and sarham in citrelia
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Kyeo is running his hand up and down Sarham's back, as though counting scars he can't feel, and then there is something, in the room, something enormous, and he sees his own face and Sarham's mirrored in an incoming oval and then -

- they aren't sitting on Kyeo's bed in Crane Mountain any more.

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"- are you okay -"

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"I think so. Are you?"

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"Yes. Where - are we -?"

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Kyeo looks around. "I don't know."

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They seem to be in a park.  It's a crisp spring day, a bit chilly, and there are several people around, at various distances, playing ball games in groups or reading or chatting.  Some buildings are visible over the trees, maybe ten stories tall, their facades decorated strangely.

A few of the people have apparently noticed their sudden appearance and are staring at them with mild curiosity, but not approaching.

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Kyeo grabs for Sarham's hand. Makes a bit of an attempt to stand up.

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Sarham stands with him, squinting for signage anywhere which might indicate where they're at.

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There doesn't seem to be any in the park at least, and if the buildings have some they're not visible from this distance.

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Sarham pulls out his lens.

No service. Figures. He puts it back in his pocket.

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"We could try talking to them."

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"I guess odds are decent somebody has enough command of one of the languages." They walk toward the nearest knot of people.

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Two of them split off and jog towards them - rather quickly, for a jog, but with an easy and casual air - once they notice the approach.  One of them is unusually tall and muscular, especially for a woman, and the other has a less-discernable gender, with more of a swimmer's physique, but is still clearly quite fit.

They wave and say something incomprehensible.

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"Do either of you speak Kularan?"

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They share a confused glance, then spend a moment looking at him.

" - Repeat that?" requests the shorter one.

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"Do either of you speak Kularan?" Sarham says, slower.

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" . . . Well, we do now?"  They sound thoroughly confused and perhaps like they expect this should be obvious.

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"...what do you mean, you do now?"

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The shorter one seems at a loss for words.  "We - why don't you have a word for - we, uh, 'copied' it," tries the taller.

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"Copied it?"

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"Yes."

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"Kularan doesn't have a dedicated word for suddenly knowing how to speak a new language because we can't do that."

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"Oh.  Um.  . . . . Why . . . not?"

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"It takes years to learn a language," says Kyeo.

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These people are so confused.

 

"Do you just all decide to do it the slow way, for - philosophical reasons, or . . . ?"

"That still wouldn't take years, would it?  You'd still be faster than little babies who're working from nothing."

"Are you also slow at learning for philosophical reasons."

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"Do you have some sort of - psychic powers, or - what planet is this?"

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"Citrelia."  Maybe if she just ignores the first question something will happen such that any of this will make sense.

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"Have you heard of Citrelia -"

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"I've never heard of Citrelia."

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"Oh - are you aliens - do you have cool alien stuff to - "  They start bouncing, light little hops that nonetheless take them several inches off the ground.

"It's probably just different in their language; I said that in Cretari - "

"No, look, they don't have anything; they're just - oh.  Aw man, they don't have anything.  I'm so disappointed; we meet aliens and they don't even have wings or faster brains or whatever, they're just like, baseline citrelians but just without any citrelièv."  They're still bouncing, but more out of momentum than excitement.

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"...I'm from Ibyabek, he's from Kular, and we both live on Outer Sohaibek lately. You look like humans to me."

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" - Sure, yeah, that seems to be referring to about the right thing, 'humans'.  We haven't heard of any of those places because we haven't heard of any other places with people on them at all!  - Do other places have cooler aliens."

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"It's just humans. - I guess some places they genetically engineer people. Where is Citrelia?"

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She takes a moment to think about it.  "I can give you the Cretari but Kularan doesn't seem to have any of the relevant names."

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"And you don't know how we got here more than we do?"

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"Less, probably."

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"There was something that looked like a mirror."

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"That doesn't sound like anything I know."

" - Uh, Sair, I just realized, is it legal for them to be here?"

". . . Probably not."

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"Why wouldn't it be?"

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"Why would it be? We didn't go through a border control system."

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"...mm."

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"Yeah, uh, you don't have - why are these all separate words - you're not law-abiding and helpful and kind and charitable and nice, uh, enough.  For how you're supposed to be, here.  - You're?  Closer?" they say, gesturing at Kyeo.  "But um, still not really the way you're supposed to be."

"It's probably fine for now," says the taller one placatingly.  "I don't think you'll be in trouble, but you will probably have to leave the city at, uh, some point."

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"- what is that supposed to -"

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"- they can copy things besides languages," Kyeo says.

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"Sure can.  Oh man, I didn't think of the implications, you guys can't do anything, huh."  They stop bouncing, all at once.  "Do you - die?  Like, outside of accidents."

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"...yes."

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"That's so sad!  Sair, these are the worst aliens - "

"That's extremely rude."

"I very obviously did not mean it was their fault they're the worst aliens."  They turn to Kyeo and Sarham.  "I'm very sorry if you took it that way, and also for the fact that you die."

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"...thank you."

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"If we have to leave the city, where will we... go?"

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"Most places are fine - this is the capital city, so only Cretari citizens are allowed here, but foreigners are allowed once you get out of the district even if they don't have - all the traits that Lorn mentioned.  . . . Since you're aliens, I don't think they'll kick you out immediately?  It doesn't seem like you came here on purpose, and as long as you can, erm, emulate upstanding citizens for a bit, I don't think there'll be any trouble while it gets sorted out."

"Now who's being terribly rude.  'Inclination is not - '"

" - As long as you - act like the upstanding non-citizens, or citizens of wherever you're from - that you probably already are.  Everything will probably be fine."

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"Inclination is not -? Also, what are the rules for upstanding citizens?"

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"Action."

"A substantial number of them don't apply to you if you can't lièv - um, don't take things that aren't yours or try to hurt people or interfere with public officials; do what people with authority tell you, and that's stricter if there's an emergency . . ."

"Don't deface public property or make enough of a ruckus that it disturbs others . . ."

"Oh, don't do things likely to hurt yourself in ways you can't easily fix on your own - probably that's everything for you, isn't it.  Hm.  - Just stick with us for now, how about, and you can check if there's anything you're not sure about."

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"Thank you, that's very kind. Are the authorities uniformed?"

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"Oh, you would have to use clothes, wouldn't you - they're the ones with vitiligo?  Um, and public officials look a bunch of different ways but you can mostly tell on-duty ones because they're in designated areas - if you hear clanging, tuneless bells, get out of the way of wherever the people carrying them are running?  - And don't run with or ring a particular kind of bell if you're not on your way to help out with an emergency in an official capacity, which you probably won't be so just don't.  Little tinkly ones are fine, but probably just don't touch any bigger ones at all until you know what they look like."

". . . They aren't just sitting around everywhere; it probably won't come up."

"Would be bad if it did, though."

"Mmhm."

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"Bells and vitiligo. What is vitiligo?"

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"Depigmented skin splotches."

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"Or more pigmented, comparatively, as the case may be; we let people pretty much look however they want here."

"So, um, what do you guys need in order to not die, like, soon?  That seems - important."

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"I'm in fine health - Kyeo -?"

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"I was prescribed something and I have perhaps a month's supply on me but not having it won't kill me."

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"Okay - what do you need in order to . . . be alright.  You - I'm trying to think of things - you probably have to eat for yourselves all the time; you can't fix it if you get hurt - how much do you have to sleep?"

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"Eight hours a night for long term sustainability but shorting it sometimes isn't dangerous."

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"Are there other things we might not be thinking of for how you . . . work."

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"...we also need to do our own hygiene tasks? I don't know what's copiable... What things do you copy in a normal week?"

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They count off on their fingers.  "Hunger, sleep, physique if you're not working out the right way on your own, uh, stamina, um, any injuries but they don't happen that often mostly . . . any skills you need, a couple different - citrelièses, maybe - that's uh, different versions of the copying thing itself; they're specialized . . ."

"Any cosmetic changes, or if you want a different physique instead of maintaining the one you have . . ."

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"I don't suppose we can learn to do this?"

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"Not . . . without . . . copying it?  I don't think??  I mean if you had any you could probably get somewhere, since society has already made all the advancements, but - I don't know at all how you'd start; it's just something everyone has."  Contemplative bouncing.

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"It didn't have to be invented?"

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"Well, yeah, to get to where we are; it's improving all the time.  We only started to be able to use it to fix aging about two and a half centuries ago.  But I think it's - I don't think we invented the thing we started out with."

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"If this were a book I'd think we could maybe do it just by being on the planet where it works but if you can't tell us how because usually you copy knowing how..."

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"In our books usually people from other worlds have the same basic thing, even if they've gone in very different directions for it.  Or sometimes they have it but it takes things from people, instead of copying . . ."

" - Oh!  Maybe you do have it, but it's - not something we can have, so we can't see it - have you tried copying something from us?"  Bounce bounce bounce bounce.

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"We don't know how to try."

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"Can you . . . try?  To try?"

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"Can you copy my ability to teach people to do things when they can't just copy the skill out of your head."

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"We're not really specced for that at the moment, and - " They're looking in his direction quite intently, not quite at him and not quite past him.  " - your skills are kind of all together, compared to what we have; they're - less divided.  But I think there's a fairly discrete section here that I can just - "  They blink.  "Try - wanting something that one of us has, and intending to have it, and just - make it yours.  It's only a mental action; you don't have to do anything else."

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Sarham attempts to collect the local language.

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Nothing noticeably happens.

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"Didn't work."

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"What did you try for?"

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"Local language."

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"Maybe try for something smaller?  Languages are really big."

"Right now we've got a lot of - oh, huh, you have the word even though it's not for this - bandwidth, but not much fine control.  But you probably don't have either of those."

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"What counts as small?"

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"Ummm, straightforward physical things with clear boundaries, like hair color is really small, or maybe very straightforward skills like, uh, having good form in running?  I don't know.  - Those are both very small, I just don't know if they'd be small enough that we'd know for sure either way."

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"If I copy your form for running will I not have the one I learned any more?"

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"Right."

" - Well, you'd still remember being taught it, and you might be able to re-create it from there.  But no, you wouldn't have it."

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"I have no form while running worth keeping," says Sarham, "I'll try it." - yoink?

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Zilch.

"Did it work?  - You might not be able to tell until you try it, I suppose."

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"I didn't notice anything but I guess I could try running." He breaks into a jog, circles around them.

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". . . No.  I don't think so."

"Go for the hair color, in case it handles skills and physical traits differently?"  His options are a brassy blond and a lighter brown.

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"...if I can do it once I can find someone with black hair and do it again, right? - or just take Kyeo's, I guess."

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"If it works at all it would be really weird that it only did once!"

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Somewhat uncomfortably Sarham attempts to copy the brown hair.

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". . . Well.  Maybe keep trying later.  It could just be that it takes a really long time for you or something."

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"I assume you have to feed some people and let some people sleep. Enough for everybody to visit them routinely."

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"Yes, and lots of people like to eat and sleep anyway, just not.  Literally every time they would otherwise have to."

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"So perhaps we can make ourselves useful to society by being available as people who sleep every night and eat every day."

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"I think in order to be a public official you have to be . . . legally allowed to be in the place you're a public official of.  - Which is of course lots of places, probably, just not here."

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"People who professionally sleep are public officials?"

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"Or anything else you want people hanging around in easily-accessible places to have for the general populace to copy from, yes."

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Kyeo squeezes Sarham's hand. "How will we find out where it's all right for us to go?"

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"We should probably go ask somebody about that soon.  Did you want to get food or anything, first?  - I.  Don't think they'll kick you out immediately or anything; the law wasn't written with suddenly-appearing accidental aliens in mind.  But."

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"I won't be hungry till after I've slept."

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"Me either but that was going to be in just a few hours."

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"Well.  I guess we should head that way now, then?  Hopefully it won't take very long."

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"That might depend on how fast you normally walk. Do you have bicycles? - never mind, Kyeo doesn't know how -"

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"What are bicycles?  I'm getting some of it from the language, but - "

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"Two-wheeled vehicle. I usually ride one to get around anywhere more than a few blocks away."

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"Huh - we have carts, but that doesn't sound like quite the same thing . . ."

" - Anyways.  We don't normally, uh, walk, but it's not that terribly far even if we did."

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"What do you normally do?"

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"Well, jog.  - I guess if you have to get fit on your own and you can't recharge stamina off people you pass that's probably less sustainable.  But it sounds very strange."

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"How far are we going? I'm not in the best shape of my life but I can jog a ways..."

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"My bike does a lot of the work but I can jog a bit."

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"It's - normally I'd say we could get there in less time than this conversation has taken so far?  We could start out at a jog and then if you wanted to walk the rest of the way you could let us know."

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"Okay."

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Kyeo pats him on the shoulder.

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The two of them take off at a speed that's faster than some people flat-out run.

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Kyeo can keep up, at least at first, but Sarham falls behind immediately.

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The taller one looks back soon enough that they don't leave him very far behind, and she calls a halt to the other.  "We can walk it; that's fine.  - I'm sorry, I feel like we're not making you feel very welcome in Telerta.  For reasons unrelated to your illegality here."

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"Hopefully we'll get settled in somewhere somehow and it'll be - fine."

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"I'm sure you will!"

The shorter one has to deliberately slow themself down multiple times, and switches to walking on their hands in pretty short order.  This doesn't seem to affect their ability to hold a conversation.  "How do bikes do work for you?"

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"It's got a motor."

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"What is a motor."  Being upside-down also apparently fails to inhibit bouncitude.

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"...a machine that can do work, like turning wheels."

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"Ooooh.  - Can you tell me more about genetically engineered people; I really wanted to ask earlier but Sair would've told me off for interrupting more-important things."

". . . More immediately relevant things, at least."

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"Genes are what make people resemble their parents. You can take zygotes and fiddle with the genes, and then they grow up with specific inheritances from those parents, or with inheritances from no one in particular. If I met somebody like you on Kular I'd assume they were genetically engineered but I think you're doing magic instead."

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"Can you get wings and stuff that way."

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"...it's a young field, but some people have small wings that don't work very well."

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They gasp excitedly.  "I know we don't - have a way to get to them yet, or anything that even looks like a way, but - it would only take getting it right once, if we did, you know - "

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"Do you have radio?"

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"No-o.  Tell me about radio?"

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"It's the lowest-tech way of communicating over long distances such as between planets. Radio is a kind of wave, like light or sound."

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"How do you - do it?  Or make it, use it - none of those sound right . . ."

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"You need to build machinery for radio too. Most advanced technology relies on machinery. Do you have electricity?"

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"There's some when it storms, sometimes . . ."

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"Not lightning, though lightning is made of electricity."

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"Do you know how to build a generator?"

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"I might be able to figure out a simple one, if they have magnets and so on."

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"We have magnets!"

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"I don't know how to build a radio, though."

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"Aww.  - You know, though, I'm not like, a researcher; I bet wherever you do end up you can probably earn enough to get by on from telling all this stuff to people who would actually be able to do something with it.  Plus the sleep thing maybe."

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"Great. Okay. If we start talking in a different language are you going to copy that one too -"

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"What for - oh, do you mean you want to have a private conversation?  I won't if you don't want me to."

"Me either."

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"Thank you." He looks at Kyeo, switches to Ibyabekan. "I don't know if you've noticed but you're better - specced - for this place than I am," he says. "Which, like, is fine in itself, except I'm really worried that this place is going to turn out to be like Ibyabek in some unpleasant way..."

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"Is there a specific way you're worried about?"

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"I don't know enough to be specific. But we should, like, find out if they hate gay people before we revisit the question of whether you can kiss me, for example."

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"Maybe they'll be able to get in touch with someone from the known galaxy."

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"Maybe. I'd like to ever see my parents again. You're - pretty calm -"

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"I was already never going to see them again. And you're here."

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...Sarham pats him on the shoulder again.

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"Were you guys like, done, or . . ?"

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"...I mean, it might come up again, so ideally still don't take the language."

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"Sure, sure, I just meant - if you're going to be leaving I should be making the most of what time I have with aliens - I don't even know what other questions I should be asking - "

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"None of the aliens stories have aliens without the copying ability?"

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"I mean, any of them do, probably.  I can't think of any off the top of my head.  And even if I could, I don't think that would point me to things that're actually true about where you're from."

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"We have schools. And a lot of people have to be farmers to feed everyone."

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"Elaborate on schools?"

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"Schools are places a bunch of students - mostly children - gather to learn what they need to know in order to be productive members of society."

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"I guess that makes sense, if you can't just copy what you need to know - how long does it take, when . . ."

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"It depends what they need to learn. I don't know if it corresponds to how 'big' something looks to you, though."

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"Hmm.  You could - list some things that people learn, and how long it takes, and I could see if they seem to match up?"

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"It takes years to learn a langauge - longer if someone isn't talented at it. The amount of... geometry that I know took one year. - this isn't a year of studying that one thing constantly, geometry was one of several classes I took that year and of course the entire time I needed to sleep and so on."

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"How long were the classes?"  They apparently tire of walking on their hands and right themself via a flip.

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"At that level about one hour a day."

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"And how much geometry do you know?"

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"...I passed the exam, but I'm not sure how to quantify it for you. I was imagining if you were curious you could copy it off me to see and then copy from each other if you know more."

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"Sure, if you don't mind.  . . . Huh, you have less, total, than I did, but some of it's in different places; do you mind if I keep it - or, probably I shouldn't, so you can have enough things that're just yours for when you settle down."

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"I don't know what your customs are about that. Presumably anything we share will be shared from there, won't it?"

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"Normally I wouldn't even feel the need to ask, no.  But - citrelians are basically always going to be okay, because even if we're in a tight spot, we can pretty much always make ourselves into people who can get out of it.  And you - can't - "

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"Maybe the authorities will have an idea of how to handle the situation."

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"Hopefully."

"I'm sure they will."

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"Are there any laws that will apply wherever we go on the planet and might be less commonsense than 'no murder' which we might as well start learning now?"

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"I - don't know; I've never been very far outside of Telerta."

"I have but still not out of Creta.  I think people I met from other countries mostly talked about having very different laws, when it came up."

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"It seems like probably we should try to learn your language - or at least some language on this planet, if there are a lot - so we can read things, even if everyone we talk to learns Kularan right away with no trouble."

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"Sure, um.  Have either of you ever taught someone a language; this citrelièse is really not optimized for detail work and I don't think I could pick out anything useful if you only learned it.  And obviously I don't already know how to go about teaching someone the slow way."

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"I've tutored slower students in Kularan."

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"I was a teacher's assistant when I first studied Sohaibekan."

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"Okay.

"So uh, 'hello' is - oh you would only have one word for it, wouldn't you, if people can't look like each other - "

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"There's also 'good morning' and so on, but yes. What do the different hellos mean?"

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"Well, there's one for strangers, and one for people you haven't met before but you know of them, and one for people who you might not be sure if they're who you think but it doesn't actually matter for the interaction you're having, like for public officials, since as long as they have what you need to copy it doesn't actually matter if they're the same person as yesterday.  And any time you're meeting someone you know, you shouldn't just be using a regular greeting, you should be saying a phrase the two of you agreed on or referencing an inside joke or asking about an episodic memory you already know they have."  They list the relevant words.

"It's a lot less bad here than some places because it's super illegal to impersonate someone intentionally and everyone's at least a minimum amount of nice.  But everyone still does it; I think it might be a bit of a holdover from before things were like that."

" - Well, and that foreigners are allowed in most of the rest of the country, and they don't necessarily have minimum amounts of - do you really want to translate that as just 'nice'?"

"It's close enough, isn't it?"

"I suppose so."

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"What are the nuances of what you're translating as 'nice'?"

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"Couldn't someone overhear me greeting Kyeo with an inside reference and copy that if they wanted to impersonate me to him?"

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"Just pretty much the same as what I said before for why you can't be here, it's um, niceness and kindness and respecting the law and wanting to follow it and, um - ooh, 'prosocial' is pretty close actually; I didn't notice it before - yes, they can, and that's why you switch it up sometimes, but again you don't have to be that paranoid here, it's just a basic check because it's polite."

"Sometimes in other places people only whisper them, or write them down and show each other, or come up with various convoluted things for each different person they know."

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"I suppose we'll come up with something. Thank you for explaining."

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"We're only doing what pretty much anyone would!"

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"Do a lot of people move away, if they don't want to be that much like everyone else?"

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"Some, I guess.  More people move here or to places like here than move away.  This is one of the largest cities in the world."

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"It's lovely," says Kyeo. "What is it famous for?"

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"Well, it's our capital!  It isn't even the largest city in Creta, though; there are two bigger and one of them's the biggest in the world.  But we have nice weather here and everyone's prosocial enough so that life's very stable.  Things can be - a lot more uncertain in other places.  Plus we have the best laws, especially about, um, what traits people can have."

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"Besides being prosocial what traits are people in Creta supposed to have?"

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"You can pretty much be whatever you want!  Especially with how you look; lots of places have really strict signalling for it but here you basically just have to avoid or have vitiligo.  But um - this is slightly complicated to explain - you mentioned about people resembling their parents, and we have that too, but it's from how they are at the time they make the kid, from the conception with the father and - wait.  What's up with that word why is it so loaded, that's freaky."

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"- what word? I'd thought you were about to say 'mother'?"

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"That one too!!  Why is there so much - stuff - on it?"

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"Stuff?"

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"It - means more things?  Than I meant by it.  But I don't know what they are."

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"...people on our planets normally have a mother and a father who raise their children together..."

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They look frustrated and somewhat upset.  "People here - have . . . a mo - they have two parents - well, mostly two - and.  The fa - the one doing the fathering - no."  They take a deep breath, and after a thought do a couple consecutive handsprings.  "Of the two parents, one of them has to have male genitalia when they conceive, and one of them has to have female genitalia for the duration of the pregnancy.  It - doesn't matter what shape they are the rest of the time???  I know you can't change stuff but why are there that many extra connotations on these?"

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How disconcerting! "Kularan isn't my first language," he demurs.

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"People can medically change stuff but it's an involved and usually one-time thing."

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Gesture to Sarham.  "Well I got it from him.  - Of course it's on your pronouns too.  Why not."

 

". . . . . I don't think it's that bad, really?"

"Yeah well you wouldn't, would you."

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"Most people have genders and most of them are the same all the time."

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"Terrible."

". . . Some people here prefer to be a certain shape all the time?  Very strongly, even.  But that also applies to, say, their height or their hair or their physique, usually, and those don't seem to have quite the same - baggage."

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"So I take it you don't care at all if the parents of a child, or anybody for that matter, are still involved while they're both female or both male -"

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Long-suffering sigh.  "No."

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"That's good to know."

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Kyeo nods.

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Sad backflip.

 

" - Anyway," says the taller one, "that's part of why it's so important that we let people look how they want to, here, since some people care so much about it.  But there are some things that people have a social responsibility to keep or take on even if they don't want to."

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"Besides prosociality?"

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"Right.  Since children get a mix of traits plus some randomness from how their parents were when they had them, and not how they started out, we as a population can change very rapidly.  This is almost exclusively a good thing, but if everybody takes something new and exciting, then we've probably lost whatever it replaced forever, unless it pops up randomly again.  And that could include some things that were useful or even very important!  Different countries have very different ideas and methods for handling this, and, well - I'll just say that ours is definitely the best one."

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"If it's impolite to talk about I suppose I won't insist, though I'm curious."

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"It's not impolite.  Some places just don't have any at all, which is obviously fine for them and terrible for humanity - "

"'Citrelianity', wouldn't it be, if other humans can't lièv?  It's not bad for them."

" - Sure, it's terrible for citrelianity.  Other places make it so that nearly all their citizens don't have any, but if you break the law or make certain people angry then you have to have lots and it's really horrible.  Plus you have to have so much - I know we said 'prosociality' was close enough, but you can be prosocial without being inclined to follow the law, and you can be inclined to follow the law without being constantly terrified at the thought of breaking it."

"Also, um, since you don't know - there's no way to force people to copy things, which is obviously very good in general, but it's pretty terrible for this, because you have to threaten them or their loved ones with all sorts of horrible things in order to get them to take those on."

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"But here instead -"

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"It's a rotating system.  You couldn't pull it off anywhere less organized; it takes a ridiculous amount of coordination.  But everyone gets a selection they're supposed to have for a certain time span, and it's set up so you alternate between minor things and the more debilitating ones, so nobody suffers too much for too long."

"It's also a lot safer than the ones where they pile everything onto a few people?  Like, if something happens to them, that's that and we're all out of luck.  There's a lot more redundancy with our system.  - Plus you can swap, if you mind something less than other people do!  It's just a little paperwork.  I've kept the hyperactivity since the first time I was old enough to get assigned things; all my friends are used to it already."

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"What kinds of traits are - kept in rotation like that?"

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"Um, well like Sairai has really bad eyesight - for a while we had some people keep aging, but that one's kind of a lot and we can always get it back eventually, even if takes a couple decades - there are some where you're a lot more inclined to be sad or scared or angry - some where your senses have the right amount of acuity but they don't, uh, feel? right?  Some where even if you're prosocial you sort of go about it wrong . . ."

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"What do you mean don't feel right?"

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"They - I've only ever had the hearing one but sometimes stuff that was not objectively very loud felt like it was, and there were specific things that did that more than others, and sometimes they were just annoying but sometimes they hurt or made it hard to concentrate on anything else."

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"I guess we don't especially have to worry about this since we can't copy things anyway."

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"There is that.  - It's really sad that there are whole worlds of people who can't either - but if we could reach them, and it turns out that it's definitely not contagious, and you have all the same stuff that we keep around, then - we wouldn't have to do this anymore, would we.  That would make such a huge difference."

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"And the technology, too, there being people who know much more about it than we do."

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"Well yeah.  Just - we have fiction about people with more technology, so I already knew to be excited about that?  And not this."

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"Is it not - hard to maintain relationships when people change suddenly all the time - not just how they look but personality traits -"

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"It keeps things interesting, I guess?  People almost never change enough to die - um, I'm sorry, that was a very insensitive thing to say to people whose actual bodies will actually die, but.  . . . People keep the important parts of themselves the same, mostly; everything else is just - on top.  Around here at least."

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"It's not considered rude to mention death."

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They look uncomfortable.

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"Is it rude here?"

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"It's - unkind.  To remind people of terrible things that are very relevant to them.  And - there are sometimes reasons to be unkind, but . . . "  They trail off.

'Sairai', apparently, attempts to close the gap.  "Is it more that you don't think it's rude to talk casually about painful things, or that you don't regard death as particularly painful."

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"If someone specific who I knew had just died it would be cruel to mention that, but in the abstract it's not particularly painful. I suppose it would be a bit morbid if it came up all the time."

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" - It - would definitely be rude of me to ask specific things about why you - only care about that as much as you do.  Maybe we should change the subject."

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"Well, it's necessary for us to be accustomed," Kyeo says. "I'm sure if it were very rare it would be more affecting."

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"Right . . . "

"I mean, you're not constantly upset about the existence of Bloudel, Lorn, are you?"

". . . No . . .   - I don't live in Bloudel, though, or know anyone who's moving there; it doesn't really - affect me personally . . . "

"Mm."

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"Will we need to know what that is?"

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" - Probably not, but - sorry - it's the smallest country in the world and you definitely shouldn't go there - although I guess they couldn't do it to you, but - everyone there is the same person.  It's really horrifying."

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"I see, thank you for the advice."

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"Anyone would tell you that."

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"About how far is the place we're going?"

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"We're maybe two-thirds of the way there?  I wish there was some way we could - hm.  . . . What if - would it be rude or bad in some way if you two got in a cart, and one of us pulled it?"

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"Not especially? It would be unusual at home but that's because there are motors, human-powered rickshaws used to be popular."

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"I'll go find one!"  And they take off down an alley.

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Sarham waits. He leans on Kyeo a little.

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It takes not very long at all for them to come back with a small colorfully-painted wooden cart in tow, even accounting for their running speed.

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"Thank you," says Sarham, hopping in, pulling Kyeo after him.

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"You're welcome!"

It's not a very comfortable ride; they're going fast enough that it's pretty bumpy and the cart was not especially designed to carry people, but at least it's fairly brief.

The scenery they pass is much the same as it was while they were walking.  The buildings are in an interesting set of colors and pretty tall for people without electricity, and consistently so - either they have some form of elevators or they don't mind a lot of climbing.  Probably the latter, since the outsides of buildings are covered in little ledges and notches, and have nets stretching out from them every couple of stories.  They see a few people scaling them.  Still, it's not very dense; the streets are wide and open, filled with people jogging by or standing and chatting.  A bay glitters in the distance.

At one point they pass a plaza with a large painted area on the ground.  Inside it, people are reading or exercising or chatting next to illegible signs; outside, people are mostly passing by or pausing outside it, looking in, and moving on.  The cart gives it a wide berth.

 

Eventually, they approach a cluster of taller buildings, in a slightly more serious and regular style than the other ones they've passed.  The cart is tucked neatly into a nearby alleyway next to several others like it.

" - Maybe I should climb up and see if we can get somebody to come to one of the lower floors, instead of us all going that far?"

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"...sure," says Sarham. "What was that painted square we went by?"

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"Oh, that was one of the places for public officials I mentioned.  You go there if you need to copy something."

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"Who will we be meeting?"

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"I don't know yet specifically?"

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"Of course, I mean what general sort of person."

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"Some Secretary or other, probably.  It'll depend on how many levels up whoever I go talk to first will pass it just on a random citizen's claim that there's aliens; someone less powerful than that might want to see you and then they might report it to someone with more authority; I'm not sure."

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"I'm curious what the structure of the government's like. But please don't let me keep you."

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"Okay.  See you in a bit."  And off they trot to scale the side of the building.

"Did you have specific questions about the government's structure?" asks Sairai.  "The ways I've interacted with them before might not be wholly applicable to this situation, though, I feel I should disclaim."

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"Is there a single leader at the top? How are leaders chosen?"

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"No, there's an assembly.  I'm not all that familiar with how they're chosen; I think they approach people with good dispositions for it.  I don't know how you'd go about getting a position if you wanted it and hadn't come to their attention even if you were suitably inclined, though - I was a public official for a few years and I just applied for that, but that's not leadership, just being officially endorsed by the government."

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"How big is the assembly? How long do people serve?"

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"I don't know; I think it changes with the population.  - As long as they both want to and are suited to it, I assume?"

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"Some places have term limits. Or have people serve for life. At-will government positions are unusual."

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"Our lives are indefinite."

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"I suppose that might change things."

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"Mmhm."

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They wait. Holding hands.

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Eventually the bouncy one comes bounding out of the building, from the ground level, followed at a slightly more sedate and substantially more dignified pace by someone with two-tone skin.  He examines Kyeo and Sarham for a moment.  " - I can get you a conference room on - would the fourth floor be too high for you to climb?"

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"I can do three flights of stairs."

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"All right."  He describes a room location to the two natives and heads back towards the building's scaffolding.

Inside, the stairs are bigger, both in the sense that the individual steps are built for larger strides and that the ceilings of each story are higher, although they're not unmanageably so.

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Sarham can in fact still do three flights of it but he's breathing hard by the end.

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Conveniently the conference room has chairs!  Neither of the Citrelians sit in them but they're there.

After a few minutes, another vitiligous person - patterned more densely than the other, and with clear intentionality to the shapes - enters.  She, too, looks at the two of them for a moment before speaking.  "Greetings, I'm Secretary Orthan.  Why don't you tell me about how you came to be here."

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"We're not sure. We saw a mirror, suddenly appear in my room, where we were sitting together, and the mirror approached us and we were in the park. It's not a phenomenon I've ever heard of before."

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"That does sound very strange.  What was the place you came from like?"

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"We were on the planet Outer Sohaibek. I haven't seen much of it."

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"I'm not from Outer Sohaibek but I was attending school there. It's - a democracy? Cold? Short days? I'm not sure what you're looking for."

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"Primarily, I'm looking to determine whether the situation is as it was presented to me and what to do about it.  If your civilization spans multiple planets I'm more concerned with things that are consistent across it, and with things that apply to you two personally, than those at planetary scale."

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"We can't copy things from other people. I'd loanword it but I'm not clear on the grammar yet... This means we need to eat and sleep, every day, and that if we're injured or sick we need to heal that ourselves too. And we'll get old eventually."

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"I see.  I'm told it was explained to you that you can't remain in Telerta - or at least not permanently; we won't turn you away while we figure out what to do with you - but have you given any thought to whether you'd like to live elsewhere in Creta or in a different country."

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"We'd love to hear more about our options and which places would be happiest to have us."

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"If you didn't already have somewhere else in mind, I think you should head to, hm - either Chraida or Siliner, at least for the time being.  Those are both Cretari cities about a week's travel away.  They allow foreigners, and they're centrally located enough that if you find you want to move on you likely won't have to go as far, depending on where exactly you choose.  And they get enough trade that if you'd like to correspond with other nations before making a decision you'd be able to do that."

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"Those sound like important considerations, thank you. - a week's travel how?"

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"Trade wagon."

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"With food and stops for sleep on the way?"

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"Yes; it's less than a day and a half for the sprint relay."

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"All right. Where will we stay when we get there?"

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"I'll see that something is arranged for you.  Do you have a preference between them - Chraida's the largest city in the world, a bit more south, on a river; Siliner is slightly smaller than Telerta and is closer to the nearest border."

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They look at each other. Eventually Kyeo says "Chraida sounds good to me."

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"All right.  I'll get you a writ allowing you to stay here the next few days until we get your transport sorted out; you can stay with one of these two unless there's an issue with that."

"Not on my end."

"Or mine."

"Is there anything else you'd like to cover before you go on your way."

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"I don't think so, thank you for your time."

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She nods.  "Wait here a moment."

 

"Well, I'm glad we got that sorted out."

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"It's good to know where we'll be for the foreseeable future! Thank you very much for your help."

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"We'll need to sleep fairly soon."

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"Whose house did you want to go to?"

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Kyeo glances at Sarham. "Which is closer?"

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"Or has a bed. I'd walk a little farther for a bed and it's possible you don't have them."

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"You don't have to walk, we can use a cart again now that I've thought of it!  I do have a bed though."

"Most people have beds, I think, even if it's not most by very much.  But Lornell's place is closer."

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"We appreciate the hospitality," Kyeo tells Lornell.

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"Okay."

The man from before comes back and hands Kyeo and Sarham each a small piece of stiff paper with neatly handwritten illegible text.  "Keep these on you until you leave and show them to anyone who makes an issue out of your level of - hm."

"We've been translating it as prosociality."

He nods.

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"Thank you very much." They both have pockets. Cards go in pockets.

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Back down the stairs they go!  And to a nearly identical cart.

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Zoooooooom.  Bump bump bump bump.

"Okay, I guess I'll drop by again in a little more than eight hours, then?"

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"I don't suppose you have... toothbrushes, a bathroom..."

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"No and yes, respectively.  - Bye, Sair."

"See you then."

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"Hello... how long until sunrise? How long is a day here?"

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"Good morning!  A few hours, I think.  And - having the language lets me make an estimate but I haven't done math on it - maaaaaybe twenty-six or twenty-eight hours?  Somewhere in there.  - And I can see that you're you but you should ask me questions."

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"Oh, yes, I apologize. Whose hair did Sarham try to copy yesterday?"

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". . . Either mine or Sairai's, presumably?  I couldn't like, see him trying; it didn't work . . ."

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"Oh, he was looking, I thought it was obvious. What... did we ask for that you didn't have last night."

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"Toothbrushes!"

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"Do I need to assume that Sarham could also have been replaced while we slept?"

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"It depends on how paranoid you think it's smart to be!  It's really quite safe here, and Chraida is less so but not by very much - but also you're aliens and might have more people trying to do - um, exciting but in a bad way - things to you, than a regular person would.  But I can see that you both can't lièv, so if you trust me enough to take my word for it then I can vouch.  But possibly you shouldn't get in the habit of trusting that."

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"I suppose we'll work something out. How should we figure out breakfast - I think Sarham's more disconcerted by the - transition - than I am and I'd like to have it sorted out for him before he's quite awake."

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"I didn't know what you liked or what was safe so I bought you guys a bunch of different food!  Um, I'd expect it to be mostly the same, since I do think we might be the same species underneath everything, but if you want I could - try and copy your digestion, and eat things myself, and then that would be less bad if it was poison for you and you had it.  I picked up a citrelièse with more finesse so I could do that if you want, but I didn't want to do it without asking while you were sleeping."

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"I don't mind at all, thank you."

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"You're welcome.  - You say thank you a lot."  They set their book on the floor, flip off of the bar, and take the candle to a kitchen area, where they start chopping various unfamiliar greens.  "Like, it made sense that time, and - when you did for the thing with the cart, because those were . . . ideas I had?  But you keep saying it for things that anyone would do."

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"I'm not sure of what everyone would do, I suppose."

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"I guess that makes sense.  But everyone here is helpful and you don't have to thank them for base amounts of helpfulness.  - I'm not upset by it, just.  Trying to help you calibrate."

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"I appreciate that."

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They nod.  Continue chopping unfamiliar greens.  "If you had any more miscellaneous questions about how things work here, this is as good a time as any."

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"Do you use money here - I had been going to learn how anyway and Sarham grew up with it, but I have no practice."

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"We do!  How do you . . . not . . . have money; is it just that you don't need it because you have fewer people in general or - huh, you wouldn't trend towards big cities as much as we do, would you, if you don't benefit from having more people around to copy from . . ."

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"There are cities on most planets, I think. This one doesn't look obviously bigger than the one I grew up in, though I don't know that I could tell from what I've seen. My planet's advanced beyond the need for money. Ibyabek has hundreds of millions of people on it and some planets have several billion."

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"Oh wow!  I guess it would make sense that - money is a technology, and moving past it would be too, and since you're more advanced than us . . .  I think there's some tens of millions of people on Citrelia, but other countries aren't well-run enough to have as good of censuses as we do.  Creta has five or six million, though, and we're the second-biggest, so I guess that's probably about the right order of magnitude.  - Creta knows exactly how many people it has, just I don't without asking."

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"Oh, that's fine, I don't need an exact figure."

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"What do you do instead of using money?"

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"Things are allocated by our public officials."

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"That sounds really complicated!  Ibyabek must be very well-run."

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"They have a very important job to do."

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"Well sure, everybody running a country has a very important job.  But some places are better or worse at it, by - a lot."

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"I wonder if that's more true when people can all change en masse very suddenly?"

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"It might be - you couldn't really have something like Bloudel, it would either be - either everyone would just be dead and then it wouldn't be a country anymore or it - wouldn't relevantly be the bad thing . . ."

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Kyeo nods. Thinks for a minute, goes over to watch him cook. "I assume you need to do laundry as often as we do," he remarks after a moment. "Since the clothes can't copy being clean from other clothes."

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"Right.  We can go clothes shopping later today if you want."  They finish with the greens and take out and start slicing - what at least looks like - a completely ordinary potato.

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"It might help us stand out slightly less, and give us longer before we need to figure out how to wash the clothes."

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"Mmhm!  There's people whose jobs it is, and we can take your clothes to them, but only once you have other ones to put on."

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Oh thank goodness he doesn't need to learn to do laundry. "Shopping with - money?"

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"Yep!  - The government's going to reimburse me for the expenses, within reason."

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"Oh, good, I wouldn't have wanted to put you out for it, even if you don't need to buy food and such like people on most money-using planets."

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"I still would have done it, just.  Maybe slightly less.  - If it'd been a lot I probably could've asked my friends to chip in a bit; pretty sure a lot of them would think it was cool to have the chance to help out an alien."

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Sarham yawns and rolls over and sits up. "...is that a potato?"

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"It does look like a potato..."

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"Yep!  Potatoes are r - huh.  It is kind of weird that the word matches that closely, isn't it."

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"Your language also says 'potato'?"

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"Kularan is a creole of a bunch of Earth-derived languages, if you're some sort of lost colony that might explain why we look like the same species."

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"No, our word sounds different, it just - yours means the same thing as ours.  Like, um, these are greens in general, but I'd have to loanword them to specify the individual ones . . . except chard, apparently??  Huh."

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"That also suggests a common origin, if we have some of the same plants."

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"Huh!"  Bounce five: return of the bounce.

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"I can't figure out how your ancestors could have originally gotten here, though, faster than light travel was invented less than two hundred years ago."

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"I'm not a historian but we definitely have at least a thousand years of recorded history - our years are shorter but I think not by enough for that to be the difference - "

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"Maybe somebody or something else brought you here, then, there were humans a thousand years ago, they just didn't have much technology."

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"How long are your years - ours are a hundred and fifty-six days - our days; I haven't worked out the exact conversion for those yet - "

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"Earth standard is three hundred and sixty-five twenty-four-hour days. Since all planets have different day lengths everybody learns Earth ones too."

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"That makes sense - can you please explain everything about the phrase faster than light travel now - "

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"...stars are very far apart, so to get between them without it taking years, we have ships with a special kind of engine - I'm afraid we don't know the engineering details - which allow them to go much faster than the speed of light, which is around three hundred million meters per second."

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"I didn't know light had a speed!"

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"Oh! Well, it does, it's just very fast so it's hard to tell without particularly good measurements. The speed of sound is easier to notice, because of how lightning precedes thunder by more if you're farther away."

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"Huh.  I - don't even know what questions to ask, again - except that I guess should we assume that the plants that are the same aren't poison . . ."

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"I'd expect so, yes. I don't have any allergies - Kyeo?"

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"Me either."

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"Okay, I mixed all the greens together already but we can get you started on the potatoes - "  They transfer fire from the candle to a metal drawer thing via a piece of straw and put the sliced potatoes in a pan on top with some butter.

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Sarham watches the cooking process with interest since he might need to learn how to use local kitchen implements.

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It seems about the same as the low-tech stoves one might imagine, except that it's quite small.  Lornell notices him looking.  "Probably you'll want something bigger, since you have to eat all the time."

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"Probably, yeah. Do you have a way to keep food cold?"

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"We-in-general have iceboxes but I-in-specific don't."

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"I think iceboxes require... new ice frequently, where does it come from?"

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"We're pretty far south!  - Chraida is more northerly; it might be more expensive there."

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"Can you give me a general idea of how much things cost, and how much we stand to make off eating and sleeping and being aliens?"

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"Sure!"  They go over how much all the food they bought cost (kind of a lot, but not enough to set them back or anything, and they did go for a lot of variety), how much their stipend for being aliens will be while they settle in (they're not sure of the exact amount, but probably more than they make; they don't like to work a lot of hours), what they'll get if they talk to researchers (they have no clue, could be anything from very little to Now They're Rich, depending on how things go), and how much public officials earn (a pretty decent living for the full-time very useful ones, possibly less depending on how long after eating and sleeping they stay feeling rested and full, which seems like the sort of thing that would vary a lot on a personal level).

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Sarham wants pen and paper to do some figuring about that but seems to find this reassuring.

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Potatoes are done!  Lornell is not a master chef or anything but they're fine.

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"Thanks for breakfast."

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Sigh.  "You're welcome.  I guess I'll cook and eat these greens to see if they're okay for you guys and then we can go clothes shopping?  - Oh, I copied his digestion, so I can try stuff and then if it goes poorly I can just replace it and we'll know you shouldn't have that."

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"- thank you, that's a good idea."

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They smile.  "I thought so too!"  Cooking, cooking, om nom greens.  If they're bad for non-citrelians to eat the effects are not immediate.

" - You guys can manage the stairs on your own, right?  If I meet you outside?"

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"I think so."

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"Okay, take the candle, I'll see you down there - "  Their apartment has a door in its exterior wall, they go through and leap off the ledge outside it.

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Aliens and candle go downstairs.

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Lornell is running around and doing gymnastics in the street.  "You can just put out the candle and set it somewhere against the building."  The stairwell was entirely unlit; outside, there are occasional street lamps although not really enough to see well by.

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Kyeo blows the candle out and puts it down as directed.

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Cart?

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Cart!

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"Do you want, um, the place where you can buy more clothes, or more-expensive clothes, first?"

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"Is there some distinction that isn't translating?"

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"Well, um - oh, if you mostly stay in one shape I guess you would just keep the clothes you have until they wear out?  But here we have places you can sell your good clothes that don't fit you anymore, and then other people can buy them for cheaper than new ones!  I also just like it because sometimes you find ones that people added fun embroidery to or whatever; there's more variety than the all-new stuff.  - It's also okay if you want to go to only one place or the other."

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"Oh, I see. We can start at the less expensive store."

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"Okay!"  Zoooom, wheeeee, et cetera et cetera.

The shop is slightly better-lit than the streets but only slightly; it's hard to make out the colors of some of the items in the gaps between the candles.  Lornell is happy to help them with the signage labeling the sections, which has a fairly detailed sizing system and occasionally refers to the body types of specific public officials that were available at one point or another.  Lornell is extra happy to help them with fashion advice.

The selection of clothes is indeed varied.  They've invented stretchy fabric but it seems like maybe they only did so recently, based on what's available.  The clothes aren't divided by gender except insofar as the sizings are specific enough to account for relevant measurements.  There are occasional ones with quirky embroidery or elaborate lace trim or interesting dye jobs, as well as plenty of more uniform and plain ones.

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Lornell is willing to advise within their stated tastes!  They tend slightly towards the colorful and elaborate themself, but everyone has different preferences and it's probably even more important to respect that with people for whom clothes are the only available method of expression.  They can each get . . . eight? days' worth of clothes?  Is that reasonable???  Lornell doesn't know.

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"Sounds about right."

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"...if the laundry is hard to reach, sure."

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"I mean at the very least it's going to take you a weekish to get to Chraida, right?  - Possibly you should wait till you get there to go buy trendy new things; the styles might be different."

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"I'll keep an eye out for what people are wearing there, sure."

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"You'll - um.  I'll write you guys, for sure.  As long as you send me something first so I have your address."

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"Can you write your address down for us?"

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"Of course, I'll definitely do that before you leave!  - I wish I could go with you."

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"Why can't you?"

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"Oh, I don't have papers to go very far outside the city."

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"What kind of papers do you need?"

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"Ones . . . that authorize you to do that?"

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"Yes, but how hard are they to get, what kind of reasons do you need..."

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"I don't know; I've never tried?  Probably longer than it takes before you'll be leaving, though, I think . . ."

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"I don't specifically need you to come along with us," Sarham says, "I'm just curious about - patterns of movement here."

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"Well.  I've been here my whole life, so."

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"Sarham likes to travel," Kyeo says fondly.

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"I might, someday.  Just, I think other places are mostly - worse than here - and I haven't gotten around to it."

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"Well, sometimes worse places are still interesting."

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They go pay for the clothes.

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Kyeo has been made self-conscious about saying thanks, so he doesn't.

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"Should we be planning to pay the money back?"

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"No, I'll get reimbursed."

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"And the government doesn't want it back either?"

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"I mean, they're going to give you a stipend?  It seems kind of useless to ask for that . . . back.  From the money that they're already giving you."

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"Fair enough, thought they might keep it separate for accounting purposes but it's convenient if they don't."

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"I mean I guess they might; I wouldn't really know.  - Did you want to take these back to my apartment or should we do something else."

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"Let's go change, we've been in these for a while."

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Zoooom.  When they go outside it's maybe starting to get a little light out and by partway through the ride they can watch the sunrise.

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And they can get into some of their new clothes at their host's house! ...now what.

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"Are there other things you think you'll need for the trip?  - How much do you eat; is it time for that again?"

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"Two or three times a day."

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"I've gotten into the habit of four but I can do with less."

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"Okay, and how much each time - I assume it's the same total amount per day no matter how many times you divide it . . ."

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"Not necessarily, actually, it can vary a lot without it being a big deal, but breakfast was about a third of what I'd normally eat in a day."

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"Okay, so then I guess at some point probably I should go back and get reimbursed and figure out whether they're going to work out getting your food for the trip or if we should be doing that.  - But probably before that it would make sense to figure out if there's anything else you need that we should be going and buying on our own first."

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"Do you in fact have toothbrushes, is there someone who just keeps their teeth clean for copying?"

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"We do in fact have toothbrushes, just I use chew sticks instead, and, um, that would be - a weird thing to share, here.  Cleanliness isn't copiable, or if it is we haven't figured it out yet, or if we have we have then we haven't figured out how to integrate it with the things people want more commonly.  If I run around enough - and don't just copy stamina from people in the middle of it - that I get sweaty, I still have to take a shower about it, since being clean isn't - a thing that actually exists, really.  But of course if you didn't mind not being clean for whatever reason and then got a toothache you could just copy somebody who doesn't.  - You're not going to get toothaches from one night without, are you, it just occurred to me you might have worse teeth in general than us - "

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"No, one night isn't dangerous. If you copy stamina then you don't get sweaty? Sweat is a cooling mechanism, do you mean you're actually just copying temperature from someone who's cooler -"

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" - I used 'stamina' as a shorthand for - the state of not having done much exercise, in a given moment?  It seemed like the closest word."

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"And that makes you cooler."

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"I guess so?  It's not the most salient thing in the moment, but like . . . if you're coming inside in the winter, and there's people who've been there for a while, you can warm up off of them.  Assuming your citrelièse is specced for it and I think most are."

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"What sorts of things vary between citrelièse?"

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" - Citrelièses.  Um, kind of a lot; are you asking more about the hypothetical space of what citrelièv - the copying thing as a whole - can do, or in practice what's available to the general public, or . . ?"

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"Oh, those are also interesting, but it keeps coming up that some people have versions that do different things and I don't think I understand what the different things are."

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"Sure - um, so - it . . . lets you copy - traits and skills that other people have?  - It does have to be people, we're pretty sure, there's a lot of directions it could expand in but as far as we know that's a hard line; it's easier to test than some of the other things.  . . . I'm sorry, I - don't think I actually answered or even really understood your question."

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"What's different between the different versions of the trait that lets you copy?"

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"Ah, okay, it's - the thing is that's - kind of not a sensible question by itself; it's like asking what the difference between . . . people, or species of plants - plants is probably the better example there - is.  You can point at any two and talk about how they're the same and how they're different, and you can talk about traits that all plants have, and traits that groups of plants have - like maybe crops specifically, for how I thought maybe you were asking about the generally-available ones - or ways that plants definitely aren't, and - plants that could maybe exist but don't yet?  But not - that, I don't think.  - Unless I misunderstood again?  This is very complicated and I'm not a researcher - or for that matter a botanist - and I don't think I'm very good at explaining things."

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"You keep saying that some versions aren't very good at this or that, what sorts of things are those and why are there versions in circulation that aren't good at them?"

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"I continue to not be a researcher but - things trade off against each other?  Like, um, if I copied your arms, I wouldn't then have four arms, right?  Yours would replace mine.  And I think it's just mostly more complicated versions of that principle.  - I would be focusing on how to get myself to explain this better except I'm pretty sure they'll have you talking to lots of researchers in Chraida, and they'll be much more informed and able to answer things much more easily, and it wouldn't be very good specialization of me to change myself in that direction very much when that's going to happen anyway."

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"Yeah, that makes sense, we can wait for the researchers."

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"Okay.  So: toothbrushes . . ."

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"Uh, something to shave with, or are we both going to have to grow beards... comb? Water bottle? Suitcase to put all the clothes in? First aid kit - maybe you have them for if people are going to travel alone?"

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"Comb water bottle suitcase I can all get pretty straightforwardly.  I can - look into whether we have first aid kits, at least, definitely - um, we might put different stuff in ours, but if you know what usually goes in them there's a chance we might have it separately for other purposes or something.  Razors are not very common but I have ever heard of them and can probably rustle one up."

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"Bandages, disinfectant, painkillers, tweezers in case of splinters? - I don't actually know how to shave with a straight razor, Kyeo do you -"

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"No. Do you have the safety kind here?"

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"I'll have to ask someone who's ever had a beard, I guess - are bandages anything less straightforward than strips of cloth?  We can definitely get you strips of cloth; tweezers I can do; I don't think I've ever heard of painkillers but maaaaaybe we'd have disinfectant for like, babies . . ."

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"Rubbing alcohol? Or, uh, vodka, I guess that would probably work."

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"We have vodka.  - Which one was that for, disinfectant or painkiller."

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"I guess both, if you don't have ibuprofen or, uh, opiates or anything."

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"We have other - recreational drugs, but I don't really know about them; I'm only thirty-four.  And I'm not sure anyone would know which ones work as painkillers - maybe if somebody had got hurt while they were already high?  But I'm not sure we could find out about that in time before you go - and come to think of it how old are you two; you might be young enough that it's not legal either, although maybe you could get an exception . . ."

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"In Earth Standard I'm twenty - maybe twenty-one by now, I mark the date in Ibyabekan time."

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"I'm 21 too."

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" - We need to figure out the conversion between day lengths."

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"You said it was how many hours to a day here?"

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"We don't actually use hours; I have a general feel for how long they are from the language but we should probably do math about it.  Can you - count off seconds or something, and also tell me how many seconds are in a minute and how many minutes are in an hour."

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"...I have my lens with me. I haven't been using it, to preserve battery power, but it displays what time it thinks it is in Starport in sleep mode down to the minute, and I can look at it now and then a bit later?"

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" - Those are definitely some words you just said!!  Yes, you can do that - does it count seconds; I'm not great at math but I'm still pretty sure I can do it faster than it would take to usefully check later - we should work this out first but then please tell me everything about lenses - "

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"It doesn't count seconds visibly in sleep mode, but I can wake it up for this." He pulls out his lens. It thinks that it's 11:22 in Starport.

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Lornell watches extremely intently, but manages to refrain from asking a dozen questions about the lens itself.  If only barely.

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"A minute isn't very long, like sixty seconds, do you want me to wake it or just wait till it's 11:24 and figure from there?"

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"It depends whether it's - more costly, to wake it up and have me look at it for less time, or - oh - "  It switches to 11:23; they diligently start counting under their breath in the local units.

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Kyeo attempts to figure out about how long a local unit is, though he doesn't count seconds audibly.

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Seems like less than a second but not by dramatically much.

"Okay," they say when the time rolls over.  " - How many minutes in an hour?"

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"Also sixty."

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"Alright."  They do math for a few minutes; this does not involve a pen and paper and does involve cartwheels.  "Our days are about twenty-six and a fifth hours.  Our years are not quite half of yours, and so you'd be - between forty-two and forty-four, about, and that's old enough you'd be able to do at least some drugs; the first cutoff is forty.  And that would make me . . . right around sixteen Earth standard, maybe still fifteen but pretty close."

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"I suppose it stands to reason we couldn't guess by looking."

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" - Please tell me about lenses now?  - Right, no, I guess you would be used to using that, wouldn't you - um, if you had any other questions first I can answer them but - "

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"It's fine," says Sarham. "I can tell you about it without using up its charge. Though I should use up its charge on something useful in the next few months, it does slowly lose power even if it's not doing much. On a planet with skylace access, all the lenses can talk to each other, and we can use them to call for vehicles to come pick us up, or to order food or other stuff we want, or to look up information that someone's written about, or to talk to people far away, or to get directions from where we are to where we're going. Without that it can still record images of things I point it at and do math and play music I had stored on it and stuff like that."

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"Wh - that's so many things!  It's so tiny!"

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"Yeah! It takes a lot of development to get to this from the first invention of electricity but it's really cool. It's all running on a subcomponent that does a lot of computation, and some other bits that read and send signals - I think in the radio band."

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"Can you - get the pieces of it - into bigger, separate things - faster than that?"

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"Yes! - I don't personally know how but I think radios and telephones were both pretty early."

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"Which of the pieces are those ones - "

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"Early radios let you send sound through the air for hundreds of miles and pick it up on the other end. Phones require a wired connection between both points but can go farther and are private."

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Bounce bounce bounce "It - doesn't actually make sense for me to ask you lots of questions about this, for the same reason it doesn't make sense for me to tell you about citrelièv, but - "  They laugh.  "I mean - I definitely take back that you're the worst aliens?"  Bounce bounce.

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Snort. "Thank you."

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"You're welcome!  - Oh, let me write down my address for you, while I'm thinking of it - "  They get started on that.  "Let's see - what sort of things can we get you for entertainment; it's probably not super fun sitting in a trade wagon for a week - hm, you won't be able to read books - I can make sure you have paper and writing utensils?"

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"It might also be hard to write in a wagon but it can't hurt. We can, like, catch up with each other, Kyeo can sing -"

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"I can't."

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"- you can't?"

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"Something's the matter with my voice. Doesn't work if I try."

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"Well. We can talk."

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Lornell definitely looks like they want to say something about that but they refrain.  They hand them each an illegible address slip.  "Um.  - We should account for the difference in day lengths and pack you slightly more food than otherwise.  And how long would it take for me to be able to tell if the greens are bad for you; can we call those safe or might something still happen."

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"If you feel fine they're probably fine, though I guess they could have some trace amount of something such that we shouldn't eat a whole lot of them."

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"I do feel fine.  - You didn't say anything about whether bandages were anything more special than strips of cloth?"

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"It's especially important that they be clean. Also I don't know what kinds of fibers you use - do you have linen, I think linen works."

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"I think we have linen.  Did you have more things to think of or is it time to go collect and ask about these ones?  Um, and if it is you can either stay here and hang out or come along; I don't mind either way, although it might be faster if I go alone I think."

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"I haven't thought of anything else, and waiting here's fine."

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"Okay!  I'll be back in a bit."  They jump out the door again.

After a moment, there's the sound of someone climbing back up, and the door opens again.  It is by all appearances Lornell.  " - Sorry, I just realized I'd left the candle outside again - back in slightly longer a bit bye!"  And they set the candle on a windowsill by the door and head out again.  It's possibly more obvious than it would otherwise be that their door doesn't lock.

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Well, hopefully nothing unfortunate happens. He and Sarham chat to pass the time.

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After maybe an hour there's a knock on the door.

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Kyeo peeks out the window.

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It looks like Sairai.

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Kyeo goes to the door, opens it a little. "Hello."

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" - Hello.  The first cart you were pulled in last night was purple and the second one was blue.  Is Lornell home?"

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"No, he went to arrange some travel supplies."

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"Ah.  I dropped by like I said I would after what I thought was about eight hours, but there wasn't anyone here then.  Are you all handling everything okay?  I'm happy to help, of course, but if you've got everything all sorted I wouldn't want to get in the way."

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"We'd gone clothes shopping. I think Lornell is managing all right but the thought is kind."

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"I see.  I thought that perhaps not remembering to leave a note was a bad sign, but if it's just that - all focus is on helping you two, then I don't see an issue.  Although if you think it is forgetfulness I'm of course still happy to step in."

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"I don't know when people here expect notes to be left."

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"That's understandable.  I would usually have expected one if I arranged to meet someone at a specific time and they had something come up during it, or at least when the meeting place was their house rather than somewhere out and about."

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"Well, he should be back soon. - I'm not sure if it's customary for houseguests to invite other houseguests in?"

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"It varies by situation.  If you think Lornell has it covered I'll leave you be; I just thought I'd check in."

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"I'm not aware of any problems but thank you very much for stopping by."

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"Of course.  If anything does come up such that you'd like my assistance, you can tell Lornell that I'll either be home or leave a note.  Have a nice - well, rest of your life I suppose, if nothing comes up.  And if something does I hope the rest of your life is nice anyway."

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"I hope your life is also nice."

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She nods and closes the door.

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And they await Lornell.

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They're back again after not terribly long, toting two large bags - closer to leather, flat-bottomed duffel bags than traditional suitcases, but they seem well-made.  "Hello - I got you a razor that flips closed but I don't know if that's the same as a safety one - I explained that the drugs weren't for me and got you some, one of them somebody said seemed to help their little kid who was too distressed to concentrate on copying off a broken collarbone, which is probably better than nothing - we don't have first aid kits; they just sell like, flares so someone else can come find you, and also I had to listen to a ten-minute lecture and repeatedly promise I wasn't considering going hiking alone - everything else was pretty straightforward, although I'll need to cut up the linen.  - And I haven't gotten more food yet since I thought it made sense to do that after we know more about what's safe and also so you can pick it out yourself and only get stuff you like."

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"A razor that flips closed isn't the same but maybe we can figure out how to use it, or put a casing around it somehow. Where do we go grocery shopping?"

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" - I mean, there's a place for it?"

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"I guess we can just go see the place, I was sort of wondering if there were options like for clothing stores."

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"Sairai dropped by," Kyeo mentions.

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"Oh shoot I totally forgot to leave her a note; I'll have to go apologize later - did she have anything to say or was she just checking in?  And - there are, just not really for - buying enough to eat a lot, that keeps for a week, instead of getting one hot meal already made as a big treat, or a little snacky thing that's more for the taste than being filling."

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"She was just checking in."

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"Okay.  - How are you guys doing on hunger; is it time for another meal?"

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"Yeah, maybe we could pick up lunch while we're out."

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" - Uh.  We can do what you want but I did already buy kind of a lot of food, overnight."

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"That works too, we didn't know what you had around. Can we see?"

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"Sure!"  There are more greens (some perhaps recognizable, some not); several types of unfamiliar fruits and vegetables but also apples, butternut squash, tomatoes, and zucchini; two types of cheese; some jerky; and what looks like a few ordinary chicken eggs.

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Sarham is much more used to picking and choosing food than Kyeo is and winds up munching an apple while scrambling cheese and eggs together and frying zucchini in a separate pan, all of which he tries to do the way they do on Perfect Dish which he has seen six episodes of. "I don't recognize those," he says, identifying the strange ones, "they might be worth taste-testing with the borrowed digestion."

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"Okay!  I already tried all the different types of greens I got and those seemed fine so you can use the extra ones if you want.  - I should make you a list of the kinds I bought so you know which we already think are be probably safe."  They do that while sampling the fruits and vegetables that can be eaten raw, putting down both the Cretari spelling and a Kularan pronunciation guide, as well as a parenthetical noting which one is chard.

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Sarham throws some greens in with the zucchini and dishes up plates for him and Kyeo. It's not very good but Kyeo doesn't complain.

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Lornell cooks up the rest of the vegetables once the stove's free and then starts on those.

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Kyeo eats a majority of the greens and zucchini, being accustomed to that, and lets Sarham have more of the eggs.

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"So now what; do you want to, um, look at what I got and make sure it's all alright and see if it makes you think of anything else you need, or . . ?"

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"Sure, that sounds good."

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Here are the bags.  Lornell seems to have obtained the requested items with a reasonable degree of competency, minus the disclaimers they already made.  There are a couple unreadably-labeled bottles and jars which presumably contain the drugs.

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"Which are these, we might want to also label them in Kularan?"

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"Oh, right, probably.  Uh, this one's vodka," they say, holding up the largest bottle.  "This is the one that somebody had their kid take a bit of - these two smaller ones are in case that one doesn't do anything - um, gosh, you can't just copy being sober off someone, can you - probably don't mix them, wait till whatever you took first has worn off completely; I think it can be really dangerous otherwise.  The person I bought them from wrote down dosing information and stuff for me but I'll have to translate it."

There's a short and wide screw jar that remains unreferred to.

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Kyeo writes VODKA on the vodka. "And that one?"

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"And the two little ones, what are they called, what should we know about them besides not to mix?"

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"Oh, that's just tooth . . . paste.  - It's actually a powder but it's, y'know, what you use when you brush your teeth.  Um, those ones are corento and isnono, and the bigger one is morfaino.  They're, um?  Used as recreational drugs?  - The shopkeeper wrote down more detailed information about what they do, but I continue to only be thirty-four.  And uh, my parents never gave me any drugs.  So I should probably just translate it."

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Kyeo writes the names down phonetically anyway.

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They start on copying the sheet into Kularan.

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From the effects, 'morfaino' sounds like it's very plausibly just morphine, or something close to it.

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"Is this by any chance made from - little red flowers?"

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"I don't - know things about how drugs are made??  Sorry."

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"No big deal, I was just wondering if it's the same thing as morphine."

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" - I could tell the word for potatoes was the same because I know what potatoes are, and I could tell that your word meant them.  But I don't think I know enough about drugs that're less common than the more popular alcohols to be able to do the same thing for them.  But it's probably telling that the words sound so similar.  - If you know the name of the flower I might know whether we have those?  I don't know a lot about flowers, but definitely more than I do about drugs."

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"Poppies."

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"Huh, really?  - Yes, we have those."

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"Maybe it's the same thing, then - we'll have to be a little sparing with this, what with the addictive potential -" He takes Kyeo's pencil, crosses out the phonetic name, writes "morphine".

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" - Elaborate on 'addictive' . . ."

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"People who can't just copy not-being-addicted-to-things sometimes wind up hooked on stuff - alcohol's risky in quantity but safe in moderation, some people have problems with opiates like morphine in smaller doses, keep wanting more when the original problem's gone. There are drugs that un-addict you, back home, but I don't know what they're made from, if it's even plants in the first place."

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They still seem to be having trouble with the concept.

"I can tell that it's not like - um.  Hm.  - Is food addictive?  For us, not for you; obviously you need it . . ."

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"...probably not? This is a neurological thing and food doesn't act on the brain that way. - except if it has caffeine, that's a little addictive. Coffee. Chocolate a little. Not in a way that usually causes problems."

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"What . . . does the neurological thing . . . do.  - Or, maybe I'll just never be able to think of directly useful questions with the amount of information I have - I can tell from the word and what you've said that it's - bad?  But I can't see how, or - in what way . . ."

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"...well, if someone's addicted to morphine and is, say, allergic to the drugs that fix that, or people who were addicted before the drugs were invented, sometimes they spend all their money on more morphine and then start stealing to get more than that, and sometimes they're so focused on figuring out how to get more that they drop everything else and their life falls apart, and sometimes they need to take larger and larger doses to get the effect they're chasing and eventually that just kills them."

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"You're not the worst aliens but your world is very alarming."

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"Oh, and quick withdrawal without the helpful drugs causes awful symptoms."

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"Are you.  Sure you want to have these at all."

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"We're not going to take them unless we wind up seriously injured, and not treating pain is also a bad idea even if you ignore that it hurts. But it would be a good idea to have a general idea what the dosing's supposed to be like."

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"Right.  Um."  They go back to translating the sheet.

 

- for about fifteen seconds, before: "Do aliens - do hugs?  And specifically I guess do your kind of aliens do them in specifically these sorts of situations.  And more specifically do either of you want one if it is."

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"...we do hugs but not usually about... the existence of opiate addiction."

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"Okay; just thought I'd offer."  copy copy  " - Do you do them about - um.  I just don't - think it quite hit me before, that - you're aliens, and you had lives before this, and this is all probably really new and scary for you, and - it was possible for you to get hurt before, right, but also it sounds like your society was set up for how to deal with it, and ours - definitely isn't, and.  I don't know, if it were me maybe I would want a hug about - all that, even if not about the existence of opiate addiction specifically."

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"I've been hugging Kyeo some."

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"I was already acclimating to a new planet."

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"Well that's good.  - Uh, the first part."

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Kyeo agrees that it is good that Sarham has been hugging him.

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They finish the Kularan med sheet and make another copy.  It goes faster since they don't have to translate it; they deposit one in each bag.

"Oh, um - you two seem pretty close but I was supposed to ask whether you're like, share-an-apartment close or if you want separate ones."

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"It's - it's complicated but we can share an apartment."

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"You sure?  It's not - apartments aren't that big of a deal and you wouldn't get like, worse ones, if you wanted them separate."

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"Would they be right next to each other?"

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"I'm obviously not in charge of that so I can't say for certain, but it can probably be arranged like that if that's how you want it."

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"Next to each other would be best."

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"Noted.  Did you think of anything else you might need?"

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"I'm sure I'll think of things eventually but I don't have anything else on my mind right now."

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They nod.  "Oh - I'd thought of one earlier - I'm pretty sure trade wagons would have candles already on them but - correct me if I'm wrong here but from the way you guys were looking at things in the clothes store and stuff, I kind of got the impression that maybe you can't see in the dark as well?  And so maybe you want more than they'd have on hand."

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"That's true, we can't see in the dark well - though we can adjust with time and also mostly sleep at night when we're not changing schedules unexpectedly."

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"Okay.  I can just give you some of mine anyway; we don't have to go out and buy those."  They retrieve some from a cupboard and divide them up between the bags.  "Um, so we still have to buy food, was there anything else . . . probably you want showers before you go?  I'm not sure whether there'll be stops at places that have those on the road."

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"I wasn't actually sure there'd be showers instead of just baths, here - does the water run hot?"

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"Yep!  I think they're cheaper if you go with just ambient temperature, but not by very much; I pretty much always go with hot ones."

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"Then yes, showers first sounds good."

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"All right!  Um, so, if that's everything we thought of, do you want to take care of those and the groceries now, or just hang out for a bit, or . . ?  I could try and teach you some Cretari again; we got kind of sidetracked from that the first time.  - Oh, I didn't say, the trade wagon they're going to have you on leaves tomorrow morning, so we have a while before then."

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"Let's get groceries out of the way in case that's unexpectedly time consuming and shower before we sleep tonight?"

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"Sure!"  And off they go.

The selection at the store is much the same as the sample Lornell had, lots of things they don't recognize but several things they do.  There's less grains and bread than they might've expected compared to the amount of fresh fruits and vegetables, depending on what their expectations were.  A reasonable number of fish and seafood, given that they're on a bay.  But still, it's not too hard to get enough food for a week's travels; they have a decent number of cheeses and jerkies and things preserved in glass jars, even if they only want to stick to things they recognize.  Lornell has maybe a little sticker shock when they go to make the purchases but they're getting reimbursed for this too so whatever.

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"Is it hard to grow grain around here or do people just not like it very much?" Kyeo wonders, inspecting a jar of pickled herring.

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"- this is all actual dead animals, isn't it," mutters Sarham.

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"- wait, what else would meat be?"

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"Cultured meat. Preferred on most planets for animal welfare reasons. It was invented before Ibyabek was colonized but it wasn't widespread in the system before the revolution."

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"...well, we still need protein." Kyeo puts the herring in his basket, and some jerky.

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"How much do people normally like grain?  Also what's cultured meat."

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"I'm used to eating bread every day. I guess I don't know what I'd eat if I didn't need to do it enough to get full."

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"Yeah, grain's very popular, I'm actually confused that you have so many vegetables, a lot of people don't like those that much. Cultured meat is meat that's grown in vats sort of like - uh - I've never actually seen it done, but it doesn't involve killing animals."

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"Huh!  I like vegetables a lot, and I think that's pretty usual.  Maybe it's - if you have worse eyesight, what if things also don't taste as good to you?  Also breads and stuff are slightly more expensive compared to other things but I don't really know why that would be."

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"That's weird, grain is cheap - hm, actually, grain is cheap per calorie, I'm not sure it's actually very cheap per bite."

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"Hmm.  - Anyway, did you want to do showers while we're still out and about, or come back later."

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"If it's more convenient to do it now we can."

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"Either way; 's no difference to me."

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"Then I think right before we sleep is ideal so we'll be relatively freshly clean when we set out."

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"Makes sense."  Sarham and Kyeo and groceries go in cart; cart goes to Lornell's house.

There's a sufficient volume and awkwardness-to-carry of groceries that Lornell actually uses the interior stairs, though they don't constrain themself to walking at the aliens' pace and have all the food in their apartment by the time they get there despite taking two trips.

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"Is the local alphabet simple to learn?"

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"I don't know how I would quantify that!  I guess some kids do end up learning it before they're old enough to just copy it; apparently I did.  - I know that that was probably a way of asking me to teach you the alphabet and yes, I can, just I also think the more literal question is interesting too."

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"If your alphabet were difficult we might want to work on a different commonly spoken language that had a simple one," says Sarham. "But yes, if yours isn't too bad - and I'd imagine it could have been, it'd only have to be learned once! - it seems good if we pick it up."

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"I've heard about some places that have really complicated ones, yeah, even though I don't know any myself.  - But I guess it makes sense, if we really did come from the same place as you did originally, like it seems?  That some of the stuff would've held over."

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"It depends how long ago that was, there was a lot of human existence before the invention of writing."

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"That's very strange to think of - how long before or after writing was there a drug called something similar to morphine?"

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"I have absolutely no idea. I don't know how much processing is required to turn a poppy into something people'd take usefully."

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"Right, but the word - sorry, I shouldn't let myself get so sidetracked; this is another thing that's a better conversation to have with the researchers probably."

They start writing down the Cretari alphabet.  Several but not most of the letters have vague resemblances to Kularan ones and it has a few phonemes that Sarham and Kyeo aren't used to.  Lornell is a decent teacher once they get over the conceptual hurdle that their students ever have to be presented with a piece of information more than once in order to memorize it.

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They're both pretty quick by the standards of their people, Kyeo a touch moreso at least at this.

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Lornell has no point of comparison but is patient anyway.  Once they have the alphabet down they can move on to common words?

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Sure, they've heard some and can guess at those and write down what Lornell tells them.

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They're willing to keep it up for as long as the aliens want, provided they can occasionally do gymnastics simultaneously.

"Probably I should also give you a phrase to memorize asking people to copy your language - do you want me to have it specify for them to take the one you're about to speak, and then you say something in Kularan, so they don't get the other one?  It's not really good enough for definite protection on being able to have private conversations but - to keep things consistent."

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"I get that we shouldn't count on it, and also it's not really fair to Kyeo, we both speak the same pair of languages and this one is my native one and the other one's his. I just wanted a word with him privately about something but in the future people can probably grab Ibyabekan from us no big deal."

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"Okay!"  They come up with a phrasing - and tweak it slightly so that it only contains phonemes they're already used to pronouncing - and teach it to them phonetically.

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Which they write down and diligently practice.

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And eventually it's time to hit the showers.  " - Or possibly you should have dinner first?"

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"Dinner first sounds good."

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"I've tried at least a little of everything here and don't seem to be poisoned.  I can cook something up or did you want to again?"

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"I'm not actually good at cooking, I just felt like after potatoes and veggies for breakfast I wanted protein, I'm used to a lot more of it. Whatever you feel like making is fine."

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"Okay!"  They cube up some squash and fry it in oil with a bit of honey and a few spices.  They're a better cook when they have more than exactly one ingredient to work with.

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"This is very tasty!"

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"I'm glad you like it!"

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And then they can go where showers are. How are showers here handled?

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There's a designated building for it, much shorter and more spread out than most other places they've seen, with large tanks on the roof.  Inside, there are two separate sections that look fairly similar to each other in composition, although one is maybe twice the size of the other.  Each one has a sign out front with what looks like pricing information, and with their rudimentary reading skills they can discern that the larger one is slightly more expensive.  There's a pot under the sign; Lornell deposits some coins in it.  There doesn't seem to be anyone conspicuously hanging around it to deter theft or ensure people pay.

Past the sign are several corridors, each lined with small rooms.  The doors of each have frosted glass windows that ensure privacy but still let in enough light to see by.  On entering, it becomes clear that each room is in fact two smaller ones, separated by a curtain.  The first has a bench and hooks for hanging clothes, with neatly-hung clean towels on a rack.  The second has the actual showering apparatus, a washcloth, three metal liquid soap and hair product dispensers of differing sizes (each stamped with a single word, which Lornell taught them to distinguish on the way over), and a drain in the floor.

There are separate handles for hot and tepid water, which allow a reasonable amount of temperature control.  The water pressure is basically non-existent, though; it seems to be powered by just gravity.  From the amount of sound coming from the other rooms they might be able to discern that people don't seem to be running the water the whole time they're in there; they might be soaping up with the water off and mainly using it to rinse off.

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Kyeo finds this perfectly satisfactory.

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Lornell meets them out in the lobby area when they're done.

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And they can all go back to Lornell's, and sleep in the same bed again.

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They have something made out of a few of the unrecognizable fruits already simmering quietly when the aliens wake up.  It's a bit tangy but not unpleasantly so.

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Yum, mystery compote.

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They should!  Lornell carts them to the edge of the city, has a brief conversation in Cretari with someone at a wagon which from what they can pick up is probably a security confirmation, and loads their bags in for them.

"Okay, uh, bye!  It was really nice knowing you guys and I - hope you do okay, in Chraida."

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"Thank you for all your help! And if you're ever there of course you should visit!"

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"Couldn't have landed on a nicer person!" agrees Sarham.

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"Aw, thanks.  If I'm ever there it will be explicitly to visit you, probably!  And I'll write you lots once I get your address."

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And off ride the aliens.

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Their wagon is pulled by six people, with one sitting in the driver's seat, and goes at a speed that would be pretty slow for anything with a motor but is impressively fast and stays that way for impressively long amounts of time for its method of locomotion.  The road they're on is perhaps surprisingly busy; there aren't many moments when they're the only ones on it and there are several with what might be described as 'traffic'.  The driver sings and plays a drum, keeping the runners in time.  The other wagons on the road are usually singing the same song at the same time, although there are a few collisions with people going the other direction which are sorted out fairly quickly.  Everyone who can be heard has a strong, clear singing voice, and the music is nice to listen to even though some of their conventions for how melodies should work are quite different and it occasionally sounds jarring.

They pull off the main road for a break after a couple hours, and the seven of them leave the aliens be but don't seem particularly unwelcoming if approached.

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The aliens need to spend the break eating, which they do quickly lest the end of break be very soon.

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It ends up being somewhere on the order of twenty to thirty minutes.

And then they're back on the road again for another few hours.

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They talk to each other, and if anyone wants to copy the language they can, but it's not really intended to be a public conversation.

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They remain unbothered throughout the day.  Eventually it's time to stop for the night and someone comes in the back to fetch a few things, but they don't attempt to start an interaction about it.

The wagon's been fitted with a cushioned bench of sorts, which they have presumably been sitting on all day; it's big enough for both of them to lie down on (barely), and not particularly comfortable but also not bad enough for them to be very stiff in the morning, at least.

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Kyeo's not picky at all but Sarham spends some time fussing with their spare clothes till he thinks his back will forgive him. They sleep cuddled up together.

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The rest of the week continues in much the same way, the main difference being that each day a different member of the team takes the role of the driver.  On the fourth morning it rains a bit, but only lightly and relatively briefly, and the top of the wagon is sufficiently waterproof for this not to be much more than a change in soundscape for the people inside of it.  The wagon's pace slows a bit for a while but picks up the slack once they're in clear weather again.  They discover a book that Lornell must have slipped in one of their bags; it and a note tucked behind the front cover are above their current Cretari reading level.

They approach the city on the afternoon of their sixth day traveling.

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Sarham is very glad to be (almost) not traveling any more! Is someone going to meet them or do they have to find some kind of building -

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There's someone there for them, with light and sparsely-patterned vitiligo.  After taking a moment to acquire the language - "Hello!  Welcome to Chraida."

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"Thank you! It looks beautiful."

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"I'm glad you find it so.  Now, it was my understanding that you wanted two adjacent apartments, is that correct?"

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"Yes. If there don't happen to be vacant ones next to each other we're willing to share."

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"I see.  We do have some adjacent ones, but none that are very centrally located, and it was also my understanding that you - have a bit more trouble getting around than most people.  Or, depending on your definition of adjacent, we do have some open downtown that are a few buildings apart."

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"We have to do all our own exercise on top of all our own sleeping and eating and healing, which does mean we're less athletic than people here. I think sharing is better than a few buildings apart."

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"Yeah, we can take turns cooking and stuff."

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"All right."  He loads their bags into the cart he brought with him.  "I heard that you had someone in Telerta taking you places, but the apartment we picked for you is close to enough amenities that hopefully you shouldn't have any trouble taking care of things on your own, once we get you there."

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"Sounds great, thank you."

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He nods, and runs them to their apartment.

It's on the second story of its building and has two bedrooms (with a bed in each), a bathroom, a kitchen, a living room (complete with couch, table, chairs, and bookshelf), and two empty rooms.  The kitchen has a bigger stove than Lornell had and an icebox and some food stocked in it already.

"Here's a map with all the local places; I'll label it for you in a moment.  Do you have any questions or should I let you get settled in?"

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They divide the bedrooms without much fuss. "How are ice deliveries managed?"

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"What do we do if we need repairs or there's some argument with the neighbors, is there a landlord or what?"

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"There's an ice house on your map; you can - probably get someone there to bring it here for you to begin with, if it would be difficult for you to do it yourselves - and once you're sure of how frequently you want it you can set up scheduled deliveries.  The landlord lives on the fifth floor and the first floor is a sort of a common area with things it makes sense to have for the whole building rather than everybody having them individually; you should be able to either go up and knock on her door or leave a note downstairs once you share a language.  - Is there . . . anything you anticipate getting into an argument with the neighbors about."

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"- not in particular, it's just something it's sensible to know in advance, or would be back home. I suppose I might be more worried than usual that someone'll be noisy in the middle of the night if we're the only people in the building who need sleep."

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"I see.  I wasn't involved directly in the selection of which apartment you got, but since you're both in only one I think they were able to take the other tenants' dispositions into account."

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"Great, thanks."

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He fills out their map.  "Please feel free to take a few days to settle in, and when you're ready we'd appreciate you stopping here," he points on the map to a building he has labelled 'research facility', "within a week or so.  Ask for Zarian; she's been assigned to you.  Any further questions before I leave you be?"

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"Is Zarian there at all hours?"

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"She'll be there for at least daylight hours until you go to meet her, I believe."

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"Do we get - spending money to stock the kitchen with and stuff?"

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"Yes.  Zarian will help determine what's a reasonable amount for your regular payments, and in the meantime there's a coin purse over with the groceries that should be plenty to start with."

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"Thank you very much." Sarham glances at the map to see what else is labeled.

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Grocery store, laundry, ice house, government offices, showers, a few clothes stores, research facility, several restaurants, general store.  Plenty more buildings drawn than have labels, most of which are probably apartment buildings.

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"I think we're all set, thanks."

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He nods and bids them goodbye, and they are alone in their apartment.

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Kyeo inventories the groceries; Sarham cases the place for bedding and toiletries and starts making a list.

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The groceries are almost entirely things they'd encountered before coming to this planet plus a few things they tried before they left Telerta.  There's some meat and fish in the icebox and the cupboards have dishes and silverware in them.  The beds have sheets and blankets folded at their feet; the bathroom contains things bathrooms should contain.  Their sinks' water pressure is higher than the showers' were.

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Kyeo puts away their clothes and their remaining travel food and then looks a little helplessly at the contents of the kitchen till Sarham comes out and fries them some fish (he sniffs it first and cooks it a little too long) and vegetables.

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There's a front desk with somebody staffing it.

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"Good morning, we were told to ask for Zarian?"

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"Told by whom?"

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"I'm not sure he gave his name... if he did I don't remember it, I'm sorry."

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"Mmhm.  Who shall I tell her is here for her?"

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"I'm Kyeo Sebe Luk and this is Sarham Peng."

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" - Oh, you're the - "  They pause for a moment and continue in Ibyabekan.  "I can show you to her office; follow me."

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There's two flights of stairs and a very brief conversation the aliens are left out in the hall for, and then they can go inside.  Two chairs are set out for them in front of a desk, which has a vividly red-haired woman sitting behind it.

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"Hello."

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"Hello, it's nice to meet you," says Sarham, presuming he is to take a chair.

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"Likewise!  I'm Zarian.  Why don't you tell me a little about yourselves."

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"I'm Kyeo Sebe Luk. I'm from a planet called Ibyabek and was until recently serving in its military but was at the time we appeared here trying to integrate into Outer Sohaibek, another planet in the same system."

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"I'm Sarham Peng, I'm from United Kular which is a six-planet polity but I was attending school studying economics on Outer Sohaibek when Kyeo arrived and was visiting him when the thing happened."

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"Could you say a bit more about 'the thing'."

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"...yes, but mind it sounds as weird to us as to you. A thing like a giant snake with an outsized full length oval mirror for a face appeared, out of nowhere, in front of us in the room we were sitting in, and then it lunged at us and we went through the mirror and we were in a park on this planet."

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She starts taking notes.  "Just to check: here, people occasionally sit in rooms and snakes occasionally lunge at things.  Were those the only things recognizable for you as well, or were there other familiar elements even though the situation as a whole was unusual."

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"It is normal for people to sit in rooms. Snakes, in the general case, lunge at things sometimes, though they usually do this with their mouths which they usually have. Spontaneous appearances, the specific variety of snake, passing through a mirror as though it weren't a solid object, and being instantly transported to another planet were all unheard of."

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"Mmhm.  Could you run through the differences you've observed between our worlds?  There was as with everything else a summary but I'd like to hear it in your own words."

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"Most of the differences are derived from one or both of tech level and the fact that our civilization doesn't have the thing where you can copy traits from people," says Sarham. "So you don't have powered vehicles or electricity or phones or cameras or much evidence of mass production, and you also don't have medicine as we know it, infrastructure supporting everyone's daily sleep and food needs being met separately, non-copying-based social technology to prevent abuse of systems by bad actors, mass education... yeah."

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"Is there anything you just listed - or otherwise - that you think would be particularly straightforward or particularly beneficial to introduce here?"

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"...well, most of the technology's still useful but I don't know about straightforward. It's mostly very complicated and has a ton of dependencies and neither of us are engineers. We can try to talk people through what we do know, of course."

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"I am relevantly a people."

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"There are a lot of technologies," Kyeo says. "Is there anywhere in particular you'd like to start?"

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"I'd expect you to have a better idea of what would be useful to begin with than I."

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Between the two of them they can kind of list concepts they have heard of having something to do with electricity, and sketch out the general idea of an internal combustion engine, and Sarham remembers to ask if there's printing presses on this planet.

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"Yes, we've had those for quite a while."

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"Just checking." Between the two of them Sarham has greater breadth of knowledge but if Kyeo's heard of something he's much more likely to have seen it taken apart and put back together.

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Zarian takes lots and lots of notes and has lots and lots of questions.

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Eventually Sarham mentions that they do need to eat several times a day and have only had one meal so far.

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" - Well all right then.  How long does that normally take?"

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"...about an hour if we cook it, less if we go to a restaurant."

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"And which of those are you likely to do now."

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"In the long term it's better if we cook most meals at home since it's cheaper but if today's special for some reason and you'd rather we were back soon this time in particular we can go out to eat."

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"Well you see today you're new and so are more diverting now than you're likely to ever be again unless we hit on something very interesting later.

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"I think we'll go home and cook and be back in about an hour."

They do that.

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She's in her office when they return; most of her stack of notes is gone and has been replaced by a box of metal odds and ends.  When they open the door she's occupied with dropping magnets down a length of copper pipe.

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They take seats and observe this process curiously.

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"Welcome back - do you know why this happens or if there's any useful applications - "  The magnets, despite not being attracted to the copper from the outside or being large enough for friction to be in play, take much longer to hit the desk when dropped through the pipe than otherwise.

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"I think it's probably related to how electricity is generated but I couldn't tell you precisely how."

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"Hm.  - I entirely neglected to mention earlier, the approximate plan for today is, as you may have determined, to sweep for any low-hanging fruit and cover enough basics for other people to have something to start working with, and then after that we can slow down a bit and I can answer all the questions about us that you presumably have.  But before we get back into things, did you have anything you'd like to know that it would make more sense to address now than tomorrow?"

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"I'm curious about the planet's history? It seems likely that there's some common origin, I just have no idea how you got here or how the magic powers would have entered into it."

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"Well, the year as we count it is 1294, which would be . . . a touch over six hundred Earth standard years, assuming the conversion I was told was correct; I'll want to check that - and you'd assume that to be indicative of something important but our historical records don't go back quite that far.  And certainly people have been able to lièv for as long as we know about.  I read you'd done some basic tests and determined you couldn't, but I'll want to do something much more thorough later; since obviously citrelièv is something that can improve substantially over time, I almost wonder if all your people could all possess a very early form of it and just have collectively failed to notice."

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"What more thorough test do you have in mind?"

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"Trying to copy extremely small and discrete abilities, like being able to pronounce a sound you couldn't before, or a pulling off a particular sleight of hand trick; trying different mindsets in case those do anything - there's a moderately popular fiction trope of people who can steal things instead of copying them, and I don't consider it at all likely that you'd have that but it would be terrible if you did and I didn't check for it because I thought it was stupid; that might be mindset-based - trying pulling towards traits instead of having them replace the ones you had, in case it's incremental; making sure that the things you already tried weren't incremental and just very slow . . ."

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"Are there any old stories that might be more than six hundred years old?"

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"I don't believe so, though I suppose there's a chance that I wouldn't have heard about it, if it were disputed or particularly niche.  - I know many things but I am not, actually, a historian.  I can ask around."

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"Six hundred years ago would have been... middle ages... I guess if you started with any ethnic variation at all you could have gone any which way from there so I can't guess based on what people looked like in various parts of Earth back then..."

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"Can you give me a - very brief - summary of your relevant history?"

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"...I have no idea how to render the Middle Ages into a brief relevant history."

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"Fair enough.  What makes you think there might be a common origin?"

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"It'd be very weird if humans evolved on two planets, and you do seem very human apart from the magic powers. And we know humans evolved on Earth because of the fossil record. There's some evidence of common language roots too, though I'm not a linguist."

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"Tell me about fossil records?"

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"When an organism dies under some special circumstances it can wind up being preserved, especially bones, which can mineralize and then stick around for millions of years. We have ancient human and proto-human remains and artifacts going back millennia. And we're obviously closely related to the other primate species on Earth but those'd be easier to plant than the fossils - I don't know if you have apes and monkeys here -"

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"I . . . think not?  With things we definitely have I can tell, but with anything else there's a chance I just haven't heard about it, or don't know enough about it to make the connection."

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"Yeah. Well, on Earth there are species that look kind of like humans, but with more body hair and different posture and other distinguishing features, and they're nowhere near as smart but are still unusually smart for animals, and those are apes, and biologically speaking humans are a kind of ape, which we can be sure of with genetic testing - which I probably also have to explain? -"

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"Seems ideal."

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" - We know about evolution.  More with people than with animals, obviously, but there's at least one research facility working on breeding animals smart enough that they'll count as people so we can copy from them and have substantially more morphological freedom.  They're a long way off from doing anything interesting, but once they accomplish anything it'll be the most interesting thing, probably including aliens, and I'll almost certainly move to Brydov to go work with them."

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"- okay, that makes sense. Well, that's where species in general come from to begin with."

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"I wonder if we'd have an easier time getting apes and monkeys to the relevant level of sapience - or if they're similar enough physically that it wouldn't even be worth trying . . ."

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"They're... very strong? And monkeys have tails, if people want tails. But if I were doing this project I'd want to use parrots or corvids, probably."

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"Some people definitely want tails.  But yes, birds are the ones I'm most interested in as well."

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"Elephants are also smart, and cetaceans, but those are harder to keep and breed."

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"I'm not sure we have either of those; what are they like?"

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"Elephants are huge grey quadrupeds with prehensile noses called trunks, cetaceans are smooth ocean-dwelling mammals with blowholes at the top of their head to breathe through and a generally fishy form factor."

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"I think we don't have elephants; it's plausible that cetaceans are out there without anyone knowing about them.  Or, people who do things in the ocean might have seen them without the general populace finding out."

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"Sometimes they jump out of the water but it's hard to get a very good look at them that way. I think around this tech level on Earth whaling was still popular but I guess there could be some reason it isn't here even if there's whales."

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"What was it popular for?"

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"Whale oil was a clean-burning lamp fuel. Also they used the baleen for some purposes, I think."

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"Hm.  That - doesn't sound especially valuable compared to the risk of going out in the ocean, naively?  People die at sea."

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"Yes, I can see why you might choose smokier fuels if you don't have to keep the effects of being around the smoke and are immortal."

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"Is smoke bad on the scale of candles?"

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"I think it's one of those things where there isn't actually a safe dose, but less is not as bad as more?"

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"So it probably makes sense to prioritize figuring out electric lighting for you two, even if we can't immediately scale it."

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"We sleep at night and don't need candles then but it wouldn't hurt. Uh, badly wired electrical work can cause fires, so it'd have to be developed to a pretty high standard to be less dangerous than candles - which can also cause fires but only in straightforward ways - or stumbling around in the dark or whatever."

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"Oh dear."  She has lots of technical questions about how to go about safely building light bulbs and a small generator.

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Kyeo doesn't know how to build all the things but he does know the safety rules for working on them, like insulation and which things should never touch which other things and the importance of grounding.

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Scrupulous notes are taken on safety rules.  "Is there anything else you have to mind that would make sense to get in place for you two regardless of scalability?"

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"Regrettably I don't know enough about medicine to allow more drugs to be derived, let alone responsibly prescribed. If we break bones we'll need them set. If we lose a lot of blood transfusions are helpful but only if you can match blood types - Kyeo, do you know your blood type -"

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"O-positive."

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"I'm O-neg, so I can donate blood to him but not vice-versa, but you need sterile equipment and suitable needles and syringes or drips."

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"Explain blood types?  And how do you make sure something's sterile."

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Sarham does his best to explain blood types. "Rubbing alcohol and boiling are low-tech sterilization methods."

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Notes notes notes.  "Probably we'll want to devote a day just to medical things, in case there's anything non-obvious that we could in fact derive - I bet we can work out something better for transportation even if we can't get what you're used to - "

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"Well, there's always non-electric bicycles, they can also be powered by pedaling."

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After some questions about how they're put together, she determines that they can probably get them a couple of bicycles in fairly short order!

"Have you had any trouble so far with - well, I was going to say 'getting around', but actually have you had problems with anything."

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"...the water pressure in the showers is pretty low. I don't know how it's normally done at home though. Uh, it would be cool if we could reinvent the safety razor so we don't get scruffy or risk cutting ourselves."

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"Safety razors seem like something we could get you unless they're more complicated than they sound.  Is water pressure important for some reason we don't know about?"

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"It's not essential or anything but it makes showers pleasanter and rinsing faster. - probably costlier in water, though."

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"Hmm.  I don't have the mechanics of pressurized water in my head at the moment either, but - we have plumbing in homes, yes?  And sinks have higher pressure than showers do . . .  I wonder whether it's just an issue with the difference in water volume or - we've had showers longer than in-home plumbing; showers have been around for I think just about all of recorded history, and so maybe it's just that you can install pipes in homes individually for lots of benefit, but since the showers are all centralized and it's not that big of a difference, they haven't bothered to upgrade them?"

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"I would expect anyone who did bother to upgrade to get more customers! Unless a not-caring-about-shower-pressure trait has inadvertently achieved fixation in the population."

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"Nobody's advertised it around here as far as I know; maybe they haven't thought of it or maybe they don't expect it would be popular enough to be worth it.  I'll - make a note for the city to inform anyone who's building a new shower or planning to do renovations on an extant one anyway?"

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"It's not a huge deal, just something I'd bother the landlord about if it happened in my apartment."

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She gives him an odd look for a moment.  " - So, safety razors."

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"The blade goes in a casing so it can't descend below the skin's surface." He can sketch one.

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"That's probably doable.  Oh, delving into this should probably wait till later, but - how much do you know about culture and the arts?  There are lots of people who would love nothing more than to learn about alien music and drawing and plays and books and dance and - sports, and whatever other artforms your society has developed."

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"I can't sing any more for medical reasons. I've seen movies and read books and played sports, of course."

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"I'm not a good singer but I can carry a tune. I don't know how to dance well enough to demonstrate but I've probably read more books and seen more movies than Kyeo."

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" - I see."  She looks pensive.  "Well, if you have even a little citrelièv, it seems likely that we'll be able to get you to a level where you can fix those."

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"I'm sure Kyeo would like to be able to sing again."

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"Would it be my singing voice again or someone else's voice?"

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"I'd be surprised if it was only one or the other if it was either of them at all.  Probably being able to have someone else's would come in first, if we're right about what early versions were like and yours are similar."

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"I mean, is it possible to copy being able to sing without copying the way the other voice sounds. If I copy someone else's voice over mine, mine is gone. Right?"

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"Yes, that's correct.  I suspect you'd be able to do that first, but if it - matters to you, that you have yours specifically, then you shouldn't just take someone else's, because if you've gotten to the point where you can do that, you'll almost certainly eventually be able to fix whatever it is while preserving yours.  Healing things is fiddly but we've thrown a lot of time and effort into developing it as much as possible, and have accordingly made a lot of progress."

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"He was a good singer. - I mean, according to me, maybe you have very exacting standards for that sort of thing here."

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"I'm very sorry for your loss.  - Is there any hope for - if it turns out you can't copy things at all?"

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"I mean, if we were still on Outer Sohaibek I'd tell him to see a doctor about it."

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"Is it - you can talk; how, specifically, is it that you can't sing . . ."

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"I don't know."

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"You are a little hoarse sometimes, if you go on more than a few sentences in a row."

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"Hm.

"I have a - friend? - who might be able to help.  Not a doctor, I'm not sure anyone here could help from that side of things, but a singer.  Quite good but she doesn't copy people for it; they copy her.  Maybe you could meet up and see if you can figure anything out together.  Or she might know someone, even if she can't."

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"That sounds worthwhile."

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"I'll talk to her tonight.  - Sometimes, in the course of development, people end up with very narrow citrelièses, and it can sometimes take them a year or so - our years - to get back to the standard level, so even if you do have any citrelièv I'd say it makes sense to meet up with her."

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"How do they wind up narrowed?"

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"Well, at a fundamental level, all development could be said to be trying to narrow and widen things in specific ways so they only cover precisely what you want.  And sometimes it makes more sense to get very intricate and then add everything else back on rather than trying to make a minute change to something already very complex and unwieldy."

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"...I don't think I understand."

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" - Maybe an example would help.  You've interacted with the authorities, yes?"

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"A little."

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"So, it's quite straightforward to copy somebody else's skin tone; we've been able to do that for probably most of recorded history.  And at some point, somebody showed up with vitiligo, and this was also straightforward to copy, but it would be specifically their vitiligo, in their particular pattern and with their particular colors.  Relatively recently, though, we got it narrow enough that you could copy a person's skin tone onto one particular part of your body rather than across the whole thing, so now people can make their own patterns, and at varying sizes, too.

"But then, if someone in the authorities wanted to look like a regular citizen again, especially if they wanted to be a color that they didn't already have, they'd have to go over their entire body, copying tiny patches of it, which would be tedious and easy to miss spots with.  So in that case you'd just want something broad again.  - Sometimes you can get multiple, hm, scopes, or scales, into a single citrelièse, but it's generally quite an involved process; it can take decades and it's generally not the most valuable thing to be working on."

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"...this might just be hard for us to model since we don't have this - sense."

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"That seems plausible.  It's hard enough when you do, really; I've heard development likened to - trying to measure every piece of something, only with every measurement the size and shape and markings on your ruler change, or that but the thing you're trying to measure is the ruler itself.  I don't think most laypeople have a particularly nuanced grasp of it either."

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"Well, I'm pretty sure we have literally none - if showing up on the planet did it, well, we've been here a while, and if people normally had it in a vestigial form on other planets I think some of the billions of people there would have noticed."

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"Did you want to do the more thorough tests for that now."

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"What do you have in mind?"

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"Aside from the ones I mentioned?  Probably . . . we should try having you copy from someone with a very narrow citrelièse, in case the difference in scale matters, or a very broad one in case the amount of finesse does - maybe find someone with a particular trait very similar to yours, but of course different enough that we'd be able to see it happen; have someone - try to push it at you, as well? - while you're trying to copy something . . . maybe it only works at touch range.  And of course every combination of those it makes any sense to try."

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"I'm - a little concerned about some of the implications of us being able to pick up any of it."

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"Oh?"

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"Your society has mandatory personality traits."

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"Yes."

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"Mine, uh, doesn't. - Kyeo's arguably does but even if he would be like 'oh, okay' I like him."

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"I think it is - important, that somewhere like Creta exists, where people can trust others not to hurt them, and to help them if need be, and life is - stable.  It's also, obviously, very important that places not like Creta exist."

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"It seems like a fine place and we're not hurting people or introducing more instability than is associated with our being aliens in the first place. I think it'd be fairly tragic if acquiring a new ability meant we had to move away to continue to be ourselves."

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"It - seems likely, that being aliens means you wouldn't count as citizens, but I understand - not wanting to put weight on that, without confirmation.  - I wonder if, even if the authorities ruled - unfavorably - if you could get citizenship somewhere else and continue to live here, if you wanted; plenty of ordinary people from other countries live here, and they don't have to be any particular way."

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"That's reassuring, thank you."

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"In any case we can put those off until I have a more concrete answer for you."

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"Thank you."

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"What exactly are all the mandatory personality traits?"

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"We count it as mostly one thing, and have one word for all of it, but it's being kind and - actually.  I think you might have a better time asking almost anyone else about this.  Maybe find someone who grew up somewhere else, see if their - outsider's perspective is closer to yours.  Or just someone - I obviously have enough of it now, but it was - a big change, and most people are more, ah, naturally aligned with it, and would perhaps be of more use to you."

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Wow that's so uncomfortable. "Mm. Do you know anyone we could ask?"

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"Well, random people off the street are likely to be helpful; that's the point.  - That was very flippant; I'll think of someone."

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"Thank you."

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"It's quite literally my job, which I vied heavily to get, to help you.  But you're welcome."

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"How does the vying even work, when you can all copy whatever the skills you need for the job are -"

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"I already had expertise in most of the relevant subjects, which isn't everything but is maybe more important than you might think, especially insofar as it's indicative of disposition.  I said before that I wasn't a historian, and that's mostly because I don't particularly care about history for its own sake?  So I'd be much worse at whatever the history-based version of this is, since I wouldn't be so terribly invested in it.  And obviously I could copy caring about history, but I wouldn't care about caring about history, which will do in a pinch but if you have somebody on hand who's already enthused you should probably pick them.  And things can get lost when copying something as broad and scattered as true expertise, mostly doesn't come up under ordinary circumstances but might make a difference in something as important as this."

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"Huh. So at some point the - supporting traits get too diffuse to copy straightforwardly?"

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"Yes!  That's a lot of the narrowness and broadness I mentioned before; it also applies to skills and mental traits.  And to be clear, I could also copy things that would make me care about caring about history, but at that point you're probably flirting with something ego-dystonic if you weren't already."

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"Are most people not already quite a bit earlier than that? I guess it could be cultural."

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"I personally already care about history precisely the amount that I prefer to, which is why I, as you can tell, only care about history as much as I do, even though this is very important and it may have been helpful.  - I might, hmm, I could see myself deciding I wanted to care about it for a short time in order to accomplish something specific.  Or making it shiny and interesting for a while without particularly tying it into my identity or finding it intrinsically important the way the forward march of progress is."

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"Is that sort of thing temporary?"

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"It depends who you copied it from whether it would wear off on its own, generally.  But if I'd made history shiny to fill a weekend or something and it kept being attention-grabbing enough to get in the way after that, I could just copy from one of the many people who do not find history shiny."

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"Makes sense."

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"People do have different standards about it, though, some of which is definitely cultural.  I think we're probably somewhere in the middle, globally, although I couldn't pinpoint quite where without knowing more about how ordinary people from other places view it."

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"Maybe there's a travelogue or something we could read once we can read."

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"That sounds reasonable.  - Would you like some children's books; I have a few here for you."

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"Sure, thank you."

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She hands him a short stack from a drawer in her desk.  From the outside they mostly look like regular books.

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Kyeo takes one to flip through.

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The text inside is fairly large and there are occasional printed illustrations with full color and thick lineart, mostly depicting children doing various activities.  Recognizable characters only show up for a few pictures in a row in a way that suggests either people change up their appearances very frequently or it's a collection of unrelated short stories.

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He puts it back in the stack. "It would be convenient if at some point we were taught the basics so we could go on from there."

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"Certainly.  I had a friend who moved here when the two of us were young who I helped learn Cretari, so I probably have a better idea than most people of how to go about that, although not necessarily a good one yet."

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"At what age can kids usually start copying things?"

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"Usually somewhere in the ten - or, hm.  Around four or five Earth standard, it would be.  It's usually shortly after they start counting as people who can be copied from, although sometimes it can take a bit longer, and sometimes even once they have it at all it can still be limited in ways similar to what I mentioned we occasionally do on purpose for development."

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"Are there late bloomers? Precocious kids?"

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"Yes, definitely.  Most babies become people around that age but there are plenty of outliers on both sides."

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"It's - disconcerting that you use this as your personhood benchmark."

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"Oh?"

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"I mean, it didn't happen to turn out this way, but it doesn't seem obvious to me that it couldn't have been that you just can't copy from anyone who themselves can't copy, and we can't, so where would we be?"

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" - I can see why that would be an alarming thought.  Given the givens I don't think you would be in any danger from it, at least if you still landed in the same place, even if people found you - off-putting.  And of course children are people before they can themselves copy, never the other way around, though you understandably might not find that entirely reassuring."

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"Yeah. Like, the animal intelligence project sounds cool and everything but my culture counts babies as people."

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"That - makes sense, I suppose.  They can't really . . . do any people things, though, can they?  - If our babies are actually different from each other that seems like an important thing to find out."

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"Babies are very incompetent but sometimes start talking before they're even one Earth standard year old."

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"Can you be more specific with what you mean by 'talking'?"

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"Saying... words? Sometimes short sentences if they're very precocious - I have seen a video of myself aged three Earth standard talking in paragraphs."

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"It seemed prudent to check you didn't mean, for example, the level of conversation we're having now - I think ours are about the same, though I haven't really interacted with any humans that young in quite some time; it could be slightly different."

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"- can you copy from people with brain damage?"

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". . . Can you elaborate on that?"

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"If someone gets hit in the head really hard, not enough to die but enough that they're not going to wake up and be able to copy not-being-brain-damaged, can you still get stuff off of them or do they stop counting as a person."

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"I don't know that.  I'm not sure anyone would; how can you tell whether someone's going to wake up until they either do, or die of not - I assume you have technology for it, of course, but to my knowledge we don't . . ."

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"- I mean, you wouldn't have to know in advance whether someone was going to die or wake up to tell if you could copy off them, would you? Unless you can't copy off unconscious people in general."

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"I have seen two people with head injuries that resulted in them being unconscious in my life, and I wasn't exactly paying attention to that at the time.  I can ask around for you."

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"I guess it's probably hard to do statistics without trivial long distance communication and billions of people," he acknowledges.

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"It is.  What would it - mean, to you, to have an answer either way on this?"

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"- it'd just be informative on how good a measure of personhood copiability is, I don't think it would have practical consequences."

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"Yes, but - in which direction?"

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"...if you can copy off braindead people that suggests that it's not about their capacities and might just be a function of age or something, and if you can't after some point, it would be interesting to know where the line is."

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"Well, I can ask around.  It seems plausible that people in emergency services would know more than I do.  - We are all very confident that personhood's the line, which either means we've investigated it thoroughly enough and you'll come to the same conclusion as we did, or you and I use 'person' to mean different things, or we've missed something important and are wrong about how everything works.  And it seems worthwhile to find out which one."

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"I think of toddlers as little people."

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"We think of toddlers as going to be people - when do they switch from going-to-be-people into people for you?"

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"It's conventional to mark the bright line at birth but in terms of when I start feeling they're people I guess, hm, when they start doing social smiles."

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"Why then?"

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"Honestly I did not give this question a lot of thought before today."

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"It just seems like lots of non-people animals probably do things equivalent to that.  And obviously plenty of non-people animals are born . . ."

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"I am aware that many animals are born."

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"So then why is that the conventional line?"

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"- oh, uh, because of the history of abortion probably."

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"Which is . . ."

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"...I studied economics, not history. Some people feel strongly that abortion is murder and some people do not, or feel that it's justifiable murder in self-defense or whatever, and basically nobody felt motivated to defend infanticide, so it's popular to mark 'is it a person and therefore murder' at birth."

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"I . . . see.  We don't kill babies just because they aren't people yet, for the record."

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"I am relieved to hear it."

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"I have the impression that we're missing something here."

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"...I don't? We're just, uh, from different cultures, that's not a mystery," says Sarham.

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" - Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're . . . placing more importance on what beings count as people than I would expect, if we were just trying to pin down a trivial cultural difference."

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"...it's been the frame of a lot of historical conflicts about how to treat and how much to protect some, uh. ...some people, for lack of a better word, small children included."

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"Hmmm.  Maybe I should - find you someone with a small child to meet?  Or two, one on each side of personhood . . ."

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"I'm not really equipped to go on a youth rights crusade even if you need one, honestly."

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"I don't think we need one!  But what's the point of having aliens if you don't even try to use them to fill the gaps in your perspective?"

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"If you would like my opinion on some random person's parenting I can do that."

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"I'll put it on the list."

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"What else is on the list?"

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Without referencing anything written: "Getting as much information as possible about your technology and societies, answering any questions you have, evaluating how much money is reasonable to be giving you on a regular basis, teaching you Cretari, getting people to make bicycles and safety razors and maybe a lighting system for you and talking to someone about the potential upsides of shower pressure.  Having you, Kyeo specifically, meet with Colley to see if she can help fix your voice, finding cultural and artistic experts for you both to talk to you about subjects I'm not as versed in, finding out about whether people with brain damage can be copied from, finding out what your legal status would be if you can copy - and whether you can copy, presumably - and distributing all that information to wherever it can best be used to help society.  And in general being your liaison to the rest of our world whenever you might need one."

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"Wow. Thank you very much for helping us with all that - I'm not sure what of those things we can best make progress on right now?"

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"Did you have more technological basics I could send to people so they can get started on engineering things?"

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"Do you have, uh, petroleum. I have no idea how to refine it but I know it's important as a fuel and as a material to make plastic out of somehow."

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"I haven't heard of it, at least."

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"It's an oil from underground that you probably have if this planet's had life long enough which it's possible it has not."

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"How would we be able to tell?"

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"I'm sorry, I haven't a clue, this would be more useful if you already dug it up sometimes and had a word for it and could just be alerted that it was a useful direction."

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"Well, I can certainly spread the word if you give me a bit more of a description - "

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"It's... black? Hazardous to one's health? Uh, I think sometimes it's under pressure, under the ground, and squirts up if you puncture its location."

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"How is it hazardous?"

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"It might give off fumes? It is bad in some way to get it on your skin. I have never actually been in a room with the stuff."

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"So probably nothing we can't just copy off the effects of - I'll let appropriate people know."

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"It's used to power early engines and stuff in addition to making plastics."

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"Noted.  What else?"

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"I'm coming up fairly blank on things even as explainable as that, unfortunately."

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"We may have more ideas tomorrow after we've slept on it."

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"This morning you mentioned mass production and you haven't elaborated on that yet.  - If you were attempting to leave politely I'm not angling to keep you here longer than you want to be."

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"Uh, mass production in general is just the basic idea of making lots of things identically - screws that all take the same standard sized holes, and drills that make those holes, say, and then if people want screws enough it's worth making specialized equipment that can't do anything but make screws in those sizes, but with that equipment the screws are much cheaper and less labor intensive to make. The printing press is an early form of mass production."

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"We definitely have that in some areas; I wasn't sure if you had more to elaborate on."

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"One of the consequences of mass production is that fewer people have to work in manufacture so I don't know a lot. Uh, do you have conveyor belts?"

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"Not that I've both heard of and remembered?"

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"Conveyor belts are cool and might work without electricity! You get a bunch of rollers -" He can draw the designs of conveyor belts he's seen.

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Conditional on his permission, she'll take some notes on top of it.

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That's fine.

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And then it can go in this afternoon's stack of notes!

"Let's see, what else are reasonable first-day things besides tech - we should check the time conversion; we could start you on learning Cretari - I've been assuming that if you were close to running out of money you would have mentioned it earlier but it seems prudent to ask . . ."

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"We've been budgeting pretty aggressively but it'd be good to know on what schedule to expect a stipend."

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"I think most jobs with stable pay do it weekly, biweekly, or seasonally; does one of those sound particularly convenient for you?  - Or possibly tri-weekly or semi-seasonally; I think that one is also common."

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"Biweekly's good - and how much?"

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"The plan was to start you off on 35 auder a week - each, not collectively - and adjust that if it turned out to be unreasonable in either direction.  If it's obviously off already, we can do that preemptively."

He may remember that Lornell said they usually made about 20 a week in their description of the local economics, and the coin purse in their kitchen did indeed start out with 70 auder in it.

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"I think that should be fine, we have more expenses than most people but not so many that we can't manage on that."

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"Fantastic; do let me know if that changes.  - How much is it normal to work where you're from; we ought to make sure we're on the same page about scheduling."

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"It varies pretty widely based on, like, field, and how much you like your job. Kyeo's used to long hours but that doesn't mean it's good for him - I'm used to like four hours a day of classes and more of casual education-adjacent stuff but have never had the kind of job that pays. I think... eight hours with a lunch break carved out is typical for service jobs?"

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She nods.  "It varies here too, of course; we might trend longer per day on account of having fewer physical needs, but people generally don't work weekends or, hm, seasonends is I suppose a reasonable translation.  Why are people working long hours if it's not good for them?"

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"Kyeo's planet is - different in complicated ways."

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"A summary?"

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"Ibyabek does not use money and there is a lot of work to do. For reasons I still do not really understand this results in there being - more work? I think Sarham believes I'll be offended if he explains. I could go and he could catch up with me."

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" - If that would be more comfortable."

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"I certainly can't explain it to you and it seems it would be easier for Sarham to explain it without me."

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"You're not wrong." Sarham kisses Kyeo goodbye and Kyeo goes.

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"Goodbye," she bids Kyeo before turning her attention back to Sarham.

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"Kyeo's planet is communist, does the word come through?"

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She takes a moment to consider it.  "No."

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"Occasionally a society will go - 'some people are rich and some people are poor, that doesn't seem right, what if we just shared everything'. And then they have a revolution, overthrow the government, create a powerful replacement state that doesn't let anyone accumulate wealth, just centrally distributes stuff and forces people to work. And unchecked authoritarian governments generally have awful corruption and abuse problems even if they aren't communist but also separately communism does not work. Or at least it doesn't work at any tech level so far achieved - it might work with more robots, but Ibyabek has fewer robots, because it's hard for them to - develop human capital, motivate innovation, that sort of thing."

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"Hm.

"What makes a government authoritarian?"

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"Exercising power in a way that limits personal freedom in exchange for securing strict obedience to the state. ...it's a spectrum, obviously."

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"Obviously," she repeats somewhat distantly.  "Tell me about robots?"

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"They're machines with computational components sort of like a lens governing how they move, so they can be used to automate some kinds of work."

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"Hm!  So - with robots, there could be less work to do, by enough that . . . how does it fail to work, precisely?  Or, how does it work enough that it's still run that way despite failing; why do people work more than is good for them if you can't even - ensure they're of a cooperative disposition - "

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"Part of the reason that we don't have Robot Communism is that the kinds of institutions and cultures that give rise to a lot of robotics are not the same kind that have obvious ways to universally distribute the proceeds - someone owns the robots, and feels entitled to own what they make and if you told them they couldn't they wouldn't send their robots to work, and you can tax them but the more you tax something the less of it you get, and you can buy robots for the government but if you start giving people free stuff that creates bad marginal incentives and also non-profit-seeking institutions are often very slow to adapt to feedback and become inefficient, rent-seeking, corrupt, etcetera, and you can get charities but they have some of the same problems and can be scattershot. Most capitalist planets have settled into systems where there is very little poverty but there is still wealth inequality with meaningful effects on people's lives, with some but not too much taxation and some but not too much incentive-warping handout programs. On Kyeo's planet, uh, they have coercive setups to punish people for not working, or for - demonstrating uncooperative dispositions. It's self-perpetuating."

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"Oh dear.  - It occurs to me that we should probably compare our concepts of poverty; those seem likely to be different."

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"Probably, the understanding's changed over time as the middle class emerged and standards of living updated. What's yours?"

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"Well, I don't think we really have it in Cretari cities, except perhaps with people coming in from other places - I'd say someone who couldn't afford an apartment or buy new clothes was definitely poor, or maybe if they couldn't ever get theatre tickets or tip people who they were copying from.  But that's all fairly temporary, generally, whereas out in the country it's actually possible to go hungry, or lack other basic things that we can easily copy for free, for extended periods.  And apparently there are some poorly-run cities in other countries where they can have the same sort of issues even though they have a high enough density that they'd be able to manage it if they were better organized."

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"Oh, right, population density would matter a lot for you, wouldn't it - rural people on Kularan or similar planets, I'm going to call those 'developed' planets, do have a harder time getting goods shipped to them than urban people but they have faster transit, for one, and there are delivery robots, and so on - anyway, poverty is actually defined as falling below a certain income level, the 'poverty line', which is a really hacky measure - it doesn't cover, for instance, that a disabled person requiring expensive care that nobody here is ever likely to need will need more money, or that some people manage to live very poor lifestyles on a normal amount of money if they're not responsible with it for whatever reason such as addictions or abusive relatives or innumeracy; nor for that matter that some people make no money and just live off savings or something. The poverty line is adjusted based on inflation and assessments of what metaphorical basket of basic goods someone needs to be living a standard quality of life."

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"It seems strange that it doesn't account for people living off savings; do you not have very many people doing that?"

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"Lots of people do that but usually their savings are interest-bearing in some way and they don't touch the principal, and the interest is understood as income."

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"I suppose that makes sense; we have some people doing that, but at any given time there's a substantial number of people - hm, 'vacation' and 'retirement' are both completely at the wrong scale, just on opposite sides - "

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"...gap year? Sabbatical?"

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"I don't think they're more likely to be a year than any other amount of time, and sabbatical has something else about it; it sounds like it's . . . for something.  And also still has wrong connotations about the timing; I think most people only have jobs - I'd have to look it up, but maybe between half and two-thirds of the time, and sabbatical sounds like less often than that.  'On leave', maybe, except for how that seems to imply that you'll be going back to the same career; lots of people don't.  - Possibly just 'unemployed'?  Though that one's missing concepts instead of having too many."

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"Missing what concepts?"

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"It doesn't sound like a break taken on purpose."

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"Okay... sounds like sabbatical is closest, I'll keep in mind the distinctions. You probably change careers much more often here."

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"Most people do.  I've been at this for quite a while - unless, I suppose, switching from regular development to working with aliens counts as a career change."

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"It's at least a promotion."

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"I certainly think so."

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"Do you have more questions about Communism that I'll want to handle more gently with my boyfriend, or -"

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"Is he - alright?  You said they punished people; does he have a sufficiently cooperative disposition that . . ."

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"Far as I know he didn't get in trouble for being uncooperative. Just for being gay."

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"He'll describe it as being in the hospital. I'd rather you didn't try to discuss it with him."

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"Certainly."

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"Thanks."

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"I don't think I have any more questions about Communism at the moment."

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"I'll go catch up with Kyeo then. See you tomorrow?"

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"Yes.  About the same time?"

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"Should be fine." He lets himself out.

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She follows him out, notes in hand, but turns the other direction down the hallway.  "See you then."

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The pair of them are back the next morning.

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"Good morning, good morning - here are the prototype safety razors, they're the only things which are ready so far; Colley will be dropping by this afternoon and she's free to work with you on your voice then if you'd like; some people with brain damage can be copied from and some of them can't."

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"Oh, you checked, interesting - these look potentially usable, though, uh, it's possible someone who can heal if they nick themselves should copy our expertise and try them? Wouldn't do to get some sort of infection. - there is a bread mold that is also a decent antibiotic, but I don't know how to figure out which bread mold. I mean, 'see if it kills bacteria in a petri dish' I guess but you'd need a petri dish and a way to put bacteria in it."

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"Work on my voice how?"

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"I don't know how she's specifically going to go about it, but if there's anything that can be done, without copying it better and at our level of medical knowledge, I'd expect her to be one of the people able to make progress on that front.  - Bread mold, really?"

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"Really. It's called penicillin. Some people are allergic to it but I'm not, Kyeo probably hasn't been tested."

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"Fascinating, I'll get somebody on that - they may have already tried using the razors - or other copies of them, but I'll check up on that before you use them.  I have more detail on the brain damage if you'd like to hear it."

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"Sure, why not."

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"People who only get knocked out for a few seconds or minutes and make a full recovery afterward are always copiable-from; people with more lasting unconsciousness varied.  In particular, some of them were people up until they died, and some of them started out copiable-from but lost it at some point before they stopped breathing.  And the person I talked to swore up and down that he saw at least one case where the patient was still copiable for a few minutes after they appeared dead, and had heard of another where someone woke up a bit after several days unconscious, but wasn't copiable-from even when awake and did end up dying.  Though he didn't see that one himself and accordingly couldn't be as sure of it."

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"- huh. How do you measure death? Heart stopping?"

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"I got the impression it was whether they were breathing?  I think they check for heartbeats when they're seeing if someone is already dead but it would be harder to tell when it stops unless you happened to be checking right when it did."

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"We have the concept of 'brain death', which takes a while after breathing and heartbeat stop and before which you can revive people. The threshold changes as medical technology improves."

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"Hm.  He didn't know very exactly how long it was, since - it's possible to watch somebody with your citrelièv while looking somewhere else with your eyes, and apparently he'd been taking some notes or checking something else; he didn't remember - and when he physically looked up they appeared dead, and further checking confirmed that they were."

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"Yeah, if only we could get one of you guys in a developed hospital..." He shakes his head. "But that doesn't seem likely to be in the cards any time soon."

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"Probably not, no.  - Oh, and about your legal status; you're currently being modeled as foreign citizens, which means you're not obligated to take on any traits.  They may want to revisit this in, hm, twenty or so Earth standard years, or if you break other laws, but in any case they're not going to exile you or - lock you up about it.  Since that would be such an obviously-terrible way to handle first contact."

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"I'm glad to hear it. Why twenty years?"

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"That was rounding on my part; they said fifty citreliac years.  At a guess, it's - long enough that if you're still here by then, the situation's probably fairly stable such that you're likely not getting back home for quite a while, and would functionally be Cretari citizens."

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"I guess that's long enough to find somewhere to go if we pop up with the power and feel the need to do so."

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She nods, solemnly.  "Would you like to do the more in-depth testing for that now, then."

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"That sounds good if it's available now."

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"Certainly; I didn't have anything else specifically planned for this morning.  Can either of you already - " and she takes a coin, holds it in one hand, and has it glide over the backs of her fingers, flipping over each one.

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Kyeo shakes his head.

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"Seen it done, don't know how."

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"Good."  She slides another two coins over to them with her free hand, continuously repeating the motion with the other.  "Try to take the ability.  Don't look at the specific actions of what I'm doing and try to figure it out on your own, although I picked this specifically because I don't think you'd be able to without me slowing it down for you.  Just think about this as a discrete skill, which is right here being demonstrated for you and which you could also have, and copy it."

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Sarham does not know exactly how to think about taking this action, but he tries on various methods. He could do that if he practiced for years and he is going to Somehow condense all that practice? He is being offered something and has to - grab it? He is downloading the skill?

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Kyeo mostly just stares at the moving coin and tries to brute-force it.

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She lets them keep at it for several minutes, before: "Range is still a factor in modern versions; it wouldn't surprise me if it used to be less."  She offers her hand across the desk.

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Sarham touches her hand.

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Kyeo is slightly more awkward about it but imitates him.

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"We'll come back to that later in case it just takes time - try angling specifically to take my version, so I don't have it anymore, instead of just copying it - "

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Yoink?

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Nothing doing.

She has them try a wide range of things over the next several hours, from having her attempt to give them things while they try to take them, to demonstrating several tricks, not all sleight of hand but all easy once you know how but difficult to derive, to having them try to guess specific numbers she's thinking of (citrelians can't do that one but she finds it worth checking) and answers to specific questions related to subjects she has expertise in, to having them try to copy the state of one of her fingernails.  On a few occasions she trots off and comes back with another person in tow; two with different citrelièses which she thinks the aliens' might be close to and a few with similar more-traditional traits - someone an inch taller than Sarham, another person with the same type of hair as Kyeo but slightly longer, and vice versa.  She has them try all of these normally, at touch range, and with several different mindsets, for a few minutes each.

 

None of them do anything, save what they determine to be a false positive during the number guessing.

"Well," she admits around noon.  "That seems fairly conclusive, at least on this time scale.  I'll want to try a few things again in a week or so, in case it's just that they take more time."

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"Makes sense, I suppose if it could be environmental it could take years."

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"I suppose so!  Hm, it could even be something that wouldn't show up for generations, if that's the case, couldn't it.  Although of course I hope it comes in for you before you develop any easily-fixable medical issues."

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"Yeah, that would be convenient. We'll try not to develop any medical issues."

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"I appreciate that.  Want to - maybe check the time conversion and then do lunch?  I'll treat if you'd like to do a restaurant; it seems like it'd be better if we also got to know each other as people, instead of just coworkers or," she makes a dismissive gesture, "however you want to label this."

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"Co-workers seems fine and, sure, thanks."

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"There's that place we saw when we got lost the other day."

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"Sure, I think I could find it again."

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"Delightful."  She confirms the relative amounts of seconds, minutes, hours, days, and a year relative to each other.  "And can you count out a minute or is keeping time something people are worse at if they can't copy it?"

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"I'm probably worse at it but I haven't been running down my lens and it keeps time whether I turn it the rest of the way on or not, we can wait for the minute to roll over and then you can count from there till it does it again." He produces his lens.

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She pulls out a stopwatch and watches the lens, counting along for redundancy.  It transpires that the difference is indeed what Lornell had figured it to be; she scratches down a few notes.  "Where was this restaurant, then?"

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He can show her, it isn't far. They did not get very lost.

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She sticks a note in the door such that when she closes it, the paper sticks out at eye level.  As they walk she dances a bit to keep her pace the same as theirs; some of it looks . . . plausibly descended from ballet, maybe?  It's hard to tell, she doesn't keep doing one thing for very long and seems to be pulling from a few distinct styles.

"Oh, this place; good choice," she comments as they approach.  "I usually just get one or two of the tasters, but the full meals are nice too; I can recommend the artichoke delide and the - I don't know what it's called, it's beef in sort of a peach sauce - and I've heard good things about their salads though I've never tried one."

There's seating both indoors and out, although a fair number of people loiter while they wait for their order before taking it off to eat somewhere else.

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Kyeo will try the beef in peach sauce thing!

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Sarham will take the artichoke dish.

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They're delicious!  It turns out that when everyone can match the skill of the most-competent chef around and people generally don't have to eat, you end up with kind of astonishingly good food!

(Zarian tries a salad.)

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"This is marvelous."

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"I'm glad you like it!  I wasn't sure how it'd compare, if food is relevantly a technology . . ."

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"Food's a technology, but cooking's a skill. There's high-end places on developed planets better than this but I'm used to less good for everyday."

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"This is admittedly not quite everyday; I don't usually go to places like this more often than once or twice a season.  - Well, and maybe another couple times for tasters."

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"Fair enough. The stuff we've had at cheaper places here is not quite as good as everyday stuff on a developed planet, I think, you've got less ingredient variety and fewer weird kitchen tools."

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"What sort of weird kitchen tools are there?"

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"...blenders?" he suggests. "...those aren't very weird, I just doubt they work very well without electricity and some of the first things I thought of you could probably do fine with crazy knife skills. Uh, sous vides."

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"I'm not getting a lot from the word there but I also don't know much about cooking.  - Comparatively.  It's not especially important, in any case; what do people normally talk about when making friends where you're from?"

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"Uh, shared interests and current events, but inconveniently we haven't been able to read local media."

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"That would put a bit of a damper on it, yes.  . . . Anything interesting from before you got here?"

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"Interesting what, current events? Uh, there's a native Outer Sohaibek animal that's a pest in cities but all the native wildlife is protected by conservation law so it's hard to deal with them and people were talking about that a lot..."

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"Conservation law?"

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"To prevent species from going extinct or otherwise being adversely affected by human activity."

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"I suppose it makes sense that that's something which could happen."

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"It doesn't actually take that much tech level... are there any animals with internal skeletons here that don't obviously and definitely fall into the categories of mammal, reptile, fish, amphibian, or bird, which might be native as opposed to showing up whenever humans did?"

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"I don't . . . know.  Hm.  . . . Bats?  - You have a word for bats.  I'm failing to immediately think of animals you don't have words for already, at least, but that's not necessarily conclusive; I don't have much information about them at the moment."

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"We have a word for dragons, too, but if you had those I'd be impressed. I don't know if you can tell from the language which animals are mythical."

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"I think so but I wouldn't count on it.  You could list some mythical and real animals and I could try to guess which each was?"

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"Oh, sure. Uh, pixies, glitterbugs, red pandas, jackalopes, carp."

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"Fake real real - fake, real and we have them."

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"Cool, well, if you think of an animal Kularan doesn't think is real, let us know."

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"I shall.  - What's unreal about jackalopes; I can tell it's just a rabbit with - something - "

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"Antlers!"

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"Ibyabek only has plants and bug-type things and fish, natively," says Kyeo.

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"Yeah, how far along a planet is in evolving its wildlife when someone gets there varies a lot. People do sometimes pick up mythical names for alien life, there are Xeren sea-serpents, but nobody's ever found something that looked much like a rabbit with antlers."

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"Hm!  - I wonder why there's such a split between plants and animals with regards to available vocabulary."

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"How do you mean?"

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"Well, trying to think of weird edge cases is hard, but if I just go off food - you have words for cows, chickens, goats, every type of fish I can think of, eggs - and with the default assumption that they're chicken eggs - and pigs and whatnot.  And you also have potatoes and carrots and squash and artichokes - and apples and peaches, et cetera - but not moreds, piral, catests, letmis, or vouros!  If there's native wildlife that's just not good for eating I suppose that makes sense, but then why so many plants."

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"Well, ambulatory and especially land animals tend to come after sessile life and stuff in the ocean and you apparently don't boat much here so I'm not all that surprised if it turns out you have native vegetables and not native meat."

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"Hmm.  Why?  Or, why the split between water and land; it makes sense that moving things would come from less-moving things."

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"I'm not a biologist but I think it might be structurally harder to exist in the air? Especially as a multicellular organism. The water helps things hold themselves up."

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"Interesting!  I assume it's different enough underneath that you don't get the same problems as people do trying things at the surface - I've been swimming but not in the ocean during a storm - "

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"I think things are different lower down, yeah, though if you get really deep it's complicated again."

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"That follows.  And I suppose that even if they're close to the surface and it's turbulent enough to throw them into the air or something, they'd just fall back down int - "  She appears to spot something down the street over Kyeo's shoulder.  " - One moment - " she says, distractedly, before hopping the short fence of the outdoor seating area and dashing off in the direction they initially came from.

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Kyeo looks out behind himself.

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"I hope she remembers to come back before we get billed."

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"Surely we can explain?"

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"They might even believe us, but they will also want money."

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She doesn't go far enough to end up out of sight.  There's someone jogging away from her who she calls out to, catches up with, picks up by the waist and twirls around, and talks to for a moment, before scooping them into a bridal carry and trotting back to the restaurant, hopping over the fence again.  It's slightly more impressive while she's holding another person.

"Kyeo, Sarham; this is Colley, the singer I mentioned."

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Everyone they've seen on this planet is just sort nonchalantly above a fairly high threshold of attractiveness, but Colley looks like she might regularly spend a bit more time on making herself look good than everyone else they've seen, despite her relatively casual manner of dress.

"A pleasure."

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"Hello, pleased to meet you. I'm Kyeo, this is Sarham."

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"Apologies for taking off like that; it wasn't very important but was relatively urgent."  She sits back down in her previous chair and Colley scoots over to the unoccupied one.

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"No problem," says Sarham magnanimously.

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"Oh good."

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"So, aliens!  I didn't actually think that Zarian was trying to pull one over on me, but hearing about it isn't quite the same as actually seeing you - how are you guys finding it here?"

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"Everyone's been very hospitable!"

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"Glad to hear it!  I guess that would seem like the most notable thing compared to most other places."

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"Would it? Why?"

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"Oh, just since we're all - " she gestures.  "I expect everyone around here to be a certain amount of hospitable, and if you're from a place that's not like that then it makes sense that that's what would stand out about us."

Zarian is, for a moment, staring off in the distance and ignoring her salad.  Colley steals a bite; Zarian turns her attention back to it.

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"You'd probably get a pretty friendly reception on most planets if you wound up there somehow, even if it would be less rooted in the acquired personality traits of all the parties and more to do with, like, people wanting to know how copying works."

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"That makes sense.  Zarian says you're terribly interesting but I think you'd be fine even if you weren't.  And presumably you don't get special treatment for being aliens where you're from, on account of not being aliens there."

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"Admittedly no. Though we were neither of us on our respective native planets when we came here."

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"From what I've heard I don't think that counts as being aliens, just foreigners."

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"You're not wrong."

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"I've been a foreigner in a few places but not here, obviously, so I can't really comment on the experience."

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"What sorts of trips have you been on?"

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"This and that; I studied abroad for a few years and I've done a few tours for performances and skill sharing and the like since then."

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"What kinds of skills does one tour with?"

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"Well, I'm mainly a singer, so mostly that, sometimes mixed with acting or dancing or both."

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"Kyeo used to be able to sing really well."

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"So I heard."

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Kyeo shrugs awkwardly. Sarham squeezes his hand.

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"Caring about singing and then not being able to is about the most tragic thing I've ever heard of.  But hopefully I'll be able to help out some."

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"That's very kind of you."

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"I suppose so."

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"Is it weird to say that, here? We have a lot of idioms like that but maybe it's odd when everyone is, uh, kind."

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"No, I think this is genuinely an above-average amount of kindness, if I'm going to be spending a lot of time on it - only it's so sad that I couldn't not, really, not and still be me."

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"I am at your disposal."

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". . . What?  No.  Backwards of that."

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"- well, I don't know what your intended treatment plan is, so I cannot direct it."

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"I guess.  That's a weird way to think about something that's for you, though."

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"...I apologize."

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" - No?"

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"She means that as in no, you don't have to apologize," Zarian clarifies.

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"Right, it's that - none of this is for me.  So whatever's good for you, is . . . you do actually want this, right?  Because I was under the impression that you did, but it's fine if you don't."  She reaches over to pat his arm but pauses before getting there, pats the table next to it instead.

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"He wants to sing again," says Sarham, "and this is an - etiquette mismatch, I think, he's trying to be polite and not too inconvenient to help."

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"Okay.  It's - from my side, it's very flattering and prestigious, to be the one who gets to try and help out the alien, so you don't have to worry about that.  Less so than if I weren't dating the person who decides that, but Zar has good judgement and wouldn't let something like that influence her decision."

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"Also I am dating you in large part because you're the best vocalist around."

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"Well.  That too."

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"Well. Thank you very much."

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"You're welcome."

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"Dessert?"

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"Don't mind if we do."

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Zarian reads them the menu, providing commentary and explanations with occasional interjections from Colley.  There are chocolatey things and fruity things and things of unfamiliar flavor, in cakes and pies and drinks and things of novel structure.  She goes for a berry-and-maple milkshake-ish soup.

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Sarham will try something weird. Kyeo goes for a fruit pie.

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They aren't less tasty than the main course, that's for sure.

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Kyeo likes his pie a lot.

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Sarham thinks his boyfriend is adorable.

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Colley and Zarian think the aliens are both adorable.

"Okay," says Colley as they're wrapping up, "Sarham, you can tag along and hang out somewhere in the music building, or just go off and do your own thing, or I think keep talking to Zarian about whatever it is that you guys normally do for her job?"

Zarian nods in affirmation.

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"Talking to Zarian sounds fine." Kyeo is likely to be self-conscious.

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"Alrighty; see you later."  She heads out, checking over her shoulder to make sure Kyeo's following her.

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Yes, there he is.

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It's a ways to the relevant building.  Colley whistles as they go, high and clear at times, low and sweeping at others; one section has a lot of consecutive very fast very precise leaps between pitches; at a few points she harmonizes with herself by simultaneously humming.  Of the Citrelians he's walked with, she seems to have the least trouble sticking to a relatively sedate pace.

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Kyeo tries to whistle but it isn't happening.

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The music building is fairly large, with door spacing that suggests that some of the rooms they're passing are meant to hold quite a lot of people.  She stops in a small kitchen and grabs them both tea before leading him to a medium-sized room with large windows and instruments on the walls and floor.  The chairs are structured to encourage a specific posture and are not what one would call comfortable but are kind of nice to sit in anyway.

"So, you just ate and can't copy off the state of your throat, so it'll be a bit before we can get started; want to give me some more details about the situation here?"

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"If I try to sing, it doesn't come out - sounds like a whisper or like I'm choking. It sometimes happen when I speak but less so."

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"That has interesting implications, since - of course singing and speaking are the same thing, fundamentally, and singing - at least within your most comfortable range and at the right volume - is actually easier on your voice than speaking.  And whispering is very bad for it; avoid doing that at all unless you can't."

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"I don't whisper unless that's all I can do."

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"Do you know any sign languages?"

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"A handful of signals."

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"It probably doesn't make sense to have you pick up more since there's already so much on your plate, but maybe carry stuff to write with if you think it's going to come up."

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"I don't generally need to go on for very long at a time to be understood."

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She nods.  "Could you whistle before or did you never learn?"

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"I never learned."

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"Okay, good.  So, I think the thing we'll work on today is breathing.  Which probably would have been true no matter what; it's the most important thing to get right when singing.  No matter how good your tone or your diction or your range, everything falls apart if you're not breathing correctly."

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He nods. "I can usually breathe all right."

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"There's a difference between breathing all right and breathing well."  She rises.  "Stand like you're going to sing."

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He gets up. Straightens neatly.

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"Okay, so first off, you're going to want your feet either shoulder-width apart, either even or one in front of the other, about this far," she demonstrates, "whichever is more comfortable or feels more natural.  And put your weight on the balls of your feet and keep your knees bent; being all locked up will do you no favors here."

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He keeps his feet even, tries to loosen up and shift his weight forward a bit.

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"There you go; that's good - your stance isn't as important as your breath but it's hard to breathe correctly if you're standing wrong so it's pretty important.  Keep it loose, but bear in mind that there should be power in it; your muscles should be activated, like - I have no clue if you do sports the same way we do, but - like there's not something happening this instant but it's about to, and you have to be ready to run or jump or dive at any moment."

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Like he's in some sort of drill, perhaps, awaiting a signal. He does his best.

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"Okay.  Take a deep breath."

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He does. He knows how to breathe from the diaphragm.

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"Good!  Okay, so now - " and she'd like him to run through a few exercises: breathing in for a given count and then exhaling on an s for a longer one, with a few variations on the duration; switching between normal-breathing and singing-breathing and paying particular attention to some of the contrasts there; breathing sitting down and lying on the floor . . .

She gives copious and detailed feedback, both in adjustments she wants him to make and praise for what she regards him as doing correctly.  She wants him to try different things with his dynamics and to 'activate' his abdominals, which she is happy to elaborate on the meaning of for several minutes, and all other sorts of minutiae.

Does any of his problem manifest itself in the course of that.

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Yes. Sometimes his throat just kind of involuntarily seizes up and he can't get anything out of it more than a choked whisper.

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- Just breathing, or while he's saying things in between that, or - is there anything notable right before it happens, any sort of pattern -

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It seems to happen if he says more than a couple sentences at a stretch, or tries to sing. Correlates a little but not perfectly with some generalized breathing difficulty.

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"Have you tried going a few days without speaking?"

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"No."

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"It seems like it might help.  Your call whether it's worth the inconvenience."

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He nods, rather than speaking.

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Colley retrieves a few items from the room's cabinet and passes them to Kyeo: a tin of tea and a stack of paper printed with blank staves, both loose leaf.  And a pencil, swiped off the nearest music stand.

"This stuff is basically the opposite of dairy products in the short term so maybe drinking a bunch of it will also help in the long term?  I'm going to look at your voice now so we have something to compare any progress against."

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Nod nod.

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Does she observe anything notable when examining Kyeo's voice?

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What he has is spasmodic dysphonia; whether she can tell that or not is on her end.

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Well, she'll take lots of notes on it in case something turns out to make sense later.

"My best recommendation is to rest your voice for a few days and at some point when you feel very relaxed try to hold a note for as long as you can without thinking about it too hard.  If that doesn't work, I - don't really have any other ideas, yet; I'm sorry.  I could teach you an instrument, we could take down songs you know and spread them around here, we could do more breathing exercises . . ."

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He perks up very slightly at "an instrument".

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"Does anything in here interest you?"  Five string instruments are hung on the walls, in various sizes and frettedness and with or without accompanying bows, along with two horns and a few hand drums.  There are some taller drums on the floor as well as a xylophone-ish thing and another really big string.  "Reeds are in those cases, feel free to look through them," Colley gestures to a set of shelves, "and let me know if there's anything you'd like demonstrated."

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He plucks some strings, pats a drum. Bonks the xylophone-thing and seems to like that one.

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"I don't know what scales you're used to; this is on the default tuning but there are noteplates we can swap out if you prefer."

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He seems happy to bonk the xylophone in its current tuning. He attempts to sound out some songs he knows.

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It has 24 notes in an octave and isn't arranged very intuitively but everything he needs is technically there.

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Bonk bonk BONK bonk bonk bonk bonk.

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"If you feel like teaching me a harmony I'll play it with you."

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He nods and figures out a harmony line to the song.

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Colley goes around to the other side of the instrument and bonks it out upside-down.  After a few rounds she picks up another set of mallets, two in each hand, and adds in a third line.

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What a good bonkable instrument this is!

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"I need this one here but I'll commission you another if you want it.  Did you want to try and see whether you like any of the other instruments more?"

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He will try other things. His breathing issue seems to affect him playing wind instruments, but he likes the cello-ish thing.

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"Still prefer the setrekbort?"

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Is that the bonkable one? He likes the bonkable one best. He pats it.

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He receives an extremely tiny bonk for his trouble.

"Well I'll order you one and you can hang out here and play this one until it's finished."

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Bonkbonkbonkbonk.

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Colley is perfectly happy to participate in a jam sesh, on the other side of the setrekbort and on one of the drums and on something mandolin-ish and on a reed instrument that sounds a bit like a loon, for as long as Kyeo seems to want to.

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Eventually he's going to remember that Sarham is probably waiting for him and winds down.

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"I don't know what Zar has you doing but as far as I'm concerned you can come over any time I expect you to be awake tomorrow.  After that I'm busier but I think Dira's free; we'll work something out."

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Kyeo nods happily, still silent.

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Colley offers him the papers and pencil from before.  "Any commentary?"

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I appreciate this very much!

Sarham may be wondering how long I will be here.

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"Sure, would you like an escort back to Zar's office?  Or your apartment?"

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He holds up one finger.

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"Sure, I just need to pick something up on our way out - "  She ducks into one of the hallway's other rooms and upon her exit hands Kyeo something approximately resembling a kalimba.

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Plink plink! Oh how cute.

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Previously:

 

"We don't actually have to immediately get back into job-related topics," Zarian clarifies, scraping up the last of her dessert soup.  "Most of the urgent progress possible at this time is in the hands of the other people building things, or on me going off and talking to experts on various subjects.  And I'd expect that you two do better when you have each other to bounce things off of."

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"It doesn't hurt," he admits. "We have really different backgrounds."

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"I'd - gotten that impression."

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"We're from different planets and they're really different planets. My dad was the ambassador from mine to his, and I tagged along, that's how we originally met."

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"You'd mentioned a bit of what his was like but didn't describe yours in very much detail except by contrast.  And in sharing the knowledge of your technology, I suppose.

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"I'm pretty used to my planet, so contrast is one of the main ways I can describe it. I mean, I could contrast it with Outer Sohaibek, I guess, but the differences there were less stark. Different languages, different ethnicity..."

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"I suppose that makes sense for planets and countries without - a gimmick, for lack of a better word.  Something immediately distinguishing about them."

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"Yeah. There's cultural differences but they tend to be kind of - not superficial, necessarily, but more localized than 'planet'? Like, Xeren does genetic engineering for Olympics candidates - that's a sports competition - but if you don't happen to be one of those, then being in a Xeren city isn't necessarily stranger than being in an unfamiliar city on Kular, for a Kularan."

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"That must be interesting.  I would describe Creta as reasonably distinct.  Some smaller countries might be more similar I suppose; I've never been."

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"I feel like most of what I notice here is downstream of the copying magic but probably if I had more breadth of experience with this planet I would be able to detect differences."

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"I'm going to go pay for this unless you want more of anything."

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"I'm full, thanks!"

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She does that and then they can begin the walk back to her office.

"'What was a normal day for you like?', might be the best way of pinning down the sort of thing about which I'm curious."

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"I lived in a student flat near but not on campus of the University of Starport. I'd wake up, order breakfast - if I was running late I'd have cereal at home to save a few minutes, but given time I'd order an omelette or French toast or a fry-up or something and it'd land on my windowsill delivered by a little flying robot. I had class, not the same ones every day but usually like four of them on a given weekday when class was in session - I was taking gen ed literature and gen ed ceramics, gen ed means it's a requirement and you have to cover something in that department even if you're focusing somewhere else, and my non-gen-eds were differential calculus, history of the Sohaitok system, principles of debt, and intro econometrics."

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"I've picked up a vague impression of how classes work, but not one remotely clear enough to really understand how people go about learning things the long way."

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"Usually they give you a book about it - do you have, like, nonfiction books about things, here -"

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"Certainly.  Generally as supplements or to provide framing."

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"Well, ours are supplements to provide framing for the teacher talking, usually. The teacher's an expert in the field and knows the answers to all the likely questions from novices, ideally, and they try to give another perspective on what's in the books so you can sort of triangulate from there, and they also - a lot of the point of this is that in addition to learning stuff you get the ability to prove you learned stuff, since we can't just - check. So they give you assignments that are hard to do if you don't have a clue what's going on in calculus or whatever, and assess your progress."

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"At some point people with philosophical or practical objections to picking up skills the fast way may want to interrogate you in great detail in search of improvements to their methods."

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"I had no idea there were such people - or is it mostly people who are obliged to spend a period of time holding onto an inferior version of the copying thing -"

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"In this country there are more incidentally- than categorically-opposed people.  Colley, for example, has steadfastly kept her own voice for her entire life, with enough margin to cut off some number of skills she could have otherwise acquired more easily.  Developers aren't generally deprived of adequate versions for long enough that they'd need to learn something during that time; it's usually only a year or two at most."

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"Presumably some people have to keep and train their own voices or you can never have a new ideal voice for all the singers to converge on."

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"It's generally more on the scale of tweaks and nudges to one's existing voice, or blending a few others even when aiming for a fairly drastic change.  Direct replicas are somewhat rare."

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"I guess that makes sense but it's harder to picture since I don't have the entire sense people'd be using for picking out little bits of a voice."

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"It's a bit gauche in the same way copying someone's entire appearance would be; you might do it for a holiday or a performance but not, typically, as a way of living.  I don't know if you have any equivalents.  Buying exactly the same wardrobe as someone and matching what they wore every day?  I suppose you might have less cultural focus on specialization and the like given that you have fewer avenues towards accidentally eliminating it."

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"If you copy someone's appearance how do you get yours back after, do you get someone else to - hold onto your nose, or something -"

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"Well, generally if someone is concerned with getting their exact face back, they'll spend a lot of time looking in mirrors before they change it, or have their friends do several very accurate portraits of them if they don't want to rely on their visual memory.  And from there it's possible to reconstruct it as long as you have a pool of people to draw from with facial features which your target ones can be considered 'in between'."

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"I hope you are able to use my knowledge that cameras exist to reinvent them, then, I guess."

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"They seem useful in general but not much different from portraits for this use case except in being somewhat faster?"

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"I guess you're... all as good at drawing as you want to be."

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"Yes.  Would the baseline level of ability be inadequate?"

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"Extremely."

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"Oh.  I know small children are generally fairly bad at it but they're also fairly bad at lots of things that you seem competent at.  Handwriting, for one."

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"For kids it's mostly a motor skill issue on both counts, and that clears up for most people with handwriting - though some people have really bad handwriting - but drawing requires more specific practice."

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"I'd be curious to see you draw something if that wouldn't be bothersome."

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"Sure, as long as you're clear I'm not good at it."

He will attempt to draw a dolphin.

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"Fascinating.  . . . What is that?"

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"Well, it's supposed to be a dolphin."

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"And that's - a type of fish?  No, not quite . . ."

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"Marine mammal."

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"Hm!  You'd mentioned whales and cetaceans; are these a sub- or supercategory of either of those?"

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"Yeah, cetaceans includes whales and dolphins and porpoises and I might be forgetting things."

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"Possibly there's more benefit to becoming good at drawing here than previously, for you, depending on how difficult it is to improve.  Lots of people would be interested to see alien creatures."

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"I think even if I were much better at drawing I couldn't become good at drawing dolphins specifically or any other alien creatures without references to look at. Or maybe a little better but not a lot."

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"That's unfortunate."

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"Yeah, sorry."

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"Maybe if you can describe them in enough detail at some point other people will manage it."

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"Maybe! And maybe between my terrible drawings and somebody else's drawing skills and my ability to say when something still doesn't look right in their sketch we can between us come up with a tolerable dolphin."

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"Let's hope!  Is Kyeo any good at drawing?"

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"Not as far as I know, but I wouldn't know."

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"Oh?"

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"We haven't actually known each other that long. I was on his planet for a few days and then - uh, left - and when we got here I'd been visiting him for the first time upon his arrival on Outer Sohaibek."

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"I . . . see."

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"They were a fairly intense few days and of course now we are the only normal people on this planet of magical ones so that's tending to push us closer together too but we would not have been at the moving in together stage anytime soon if we were still on Outer Sohaibek."

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"I am - deeply uncertain of how much prying is polite in this context."

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"I don't consider it super private, I actually wrote up an account of my time on Ibyabek and put it on the internet for anyone who wanted to read it, but I'm a little worried about - explaining things in the wrong order, leaving you with a weird impression due to context you don't have or something -"

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". . . Maybe you should start with - hm.

Colley's twin is only attracted to people when they look like men.  They're a performer too, and aren't committed to keeping their exact voice, so they play roles across most genders.  One time at a party, they and a few other cast members were coming up with words for fun, and one of the categories was for people with strict parameters for attraction.  They ended up deciding on something closer to what I would translate as 'androphilic', but - that's the only reason I had a definition to connect the word 'gay' to; I don't remember hearing it in any other context.  It's a less common thing to care about than wanting your partners to be taller or shorter than you by at least an order of magnitude.

So I don't have an understanding of - why it would be a reason to punish someone, or what other preferences may be viewed as warranting that - "

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"It's - not actually unusual in nonmagical, less-than-cosmopolitan societies, where people aren't magically changing sex all the time, for the general consensus to be that everybody should get heterosexually married and have kids. A lot of people want to do that anyway, when it's a live option, and it's a pretty stable social norm compared to polygamy or making everybody sex-segregate or dealing with a lot of single mothers and rootless men or other things you could try to have be standard. - men are somewhat more likely to be violent or criminally inclined in general in a large population, and also aren't by default on the hook for dealing with a baby if one occurs. Adding gay people - or accommodating the range of possible preferences of multisexual people - doesn't necessarily threaten this structure, but it notably isn't this structure, and structures like that are in large part sustained by soft coercion or sometimes stronger forms of insistence, applied without a lot of fine discrimination. Things loosen up with better technology like contraceptives and treatments for sexually transmitted diseases and enough wealth that the household isn't the basic economic unit of society - you guys aren't technologically advanced but you could in theory have only one person in every city eat or sleep at all, that frees up enormous amounts of time and resources, and you use some of them on making it convenient for more people to sleep and eat but you don't have to and nonmagical people absolutely have to or they will die, and when your household is organized into an interdependent unit and somebody leaving threatens that it's much more important to everyone involved to enforce the responsibilities the individuals have to the group. And I'm from a loosened up place, so everyone was always fine with it, that I'm gay. And Kyeo's planet is not loosened up. They have some of the technology but they're trying to do communism with it and it doesn't work very well and also separately for historical reasons Ibyabek is kind of maniacal about everybody having children."

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"What proportion of magicless people are of various - sexualities?"

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"It seems partly cultural, how people - narrativize and then self-reinforce their various natural inclinations, so you hear different statistics even on different loosened-up planets. Like there are some people who seem like they would be able to go either way on being gay or being trans, say, or people who have a sort of limited multisexuality they might have ignored forever on Ibyabek. The Kularan numbers I've heard are eighty percent cis and straight and then the numbers on the remaining twenty change pretty frequently."

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"Eighty, that's - if I turned someone down on the basis of gender alone that'd be - cheap and evasive of me regardless of direction, if I didn't also give a reason why I wanted to keep the preference - but I suppose it would have to be that high for such a system to exist at all, wouldn't it."

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"In addition to having legally required personality traits do you also have social norms about having to disclose a legible reason for not having sex with somebody??"

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"It's also fine to just say you don't want to; it would be cheap and evasive to bother to give a reason at all but have it be such a flimsy one.  Like saying you didn't like the color of their shirt, perhaps?  Fine if somewhat sharp for turning away a hookup, and callous to say to someone who'd been pining after you for months, with various intermediate positions of rudeness between those."

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"Ah. Okay."

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"If a woman hits on me I guess I'll claim to be monogamous or not make any claims at all instead of saying gay?"

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"Or fall back on being an alien.  . . . Are - "

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"Are?"

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"Never mind.  I don't know.  It - isn't time-sensitive."

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"...okay."

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"Thank you.  I just, sometimes have trouble - thinking about - are the things you said about this culture just now really equivalent in your eyes?"

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"Which things?"

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"About the needing justifications for refusing sex which we don't in fact do, and - "

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"...and, what, not letting people be gay? No, no, one's basically just a matter of etiquette, it just would have been kind of startling."

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"Alright.

- No, we should actually untangle this - 'in addition to having legally required personality traits do you also have social norms about having to disclose a legible reason for not having sex with somebody'.  Is the thing I'd meant.  I read you as fairly upset about both."

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"Oh, it's like - I think the answer I was worried about there was like, if you don't have a reason on some cultural shortlist of good enough reasons, you're supposed to pick up whatever attraction you need to not let people down? Since that would be... possible, here, and it would be one reason it would be rude to turn someone down by saying you're gay, if you're instead supposed to just. Stop."

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"I agree that that would be bad."

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"Oh good."

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". . . I'm sorry; I don't think I'm being the best conversational partner at present.  Erm, how about - probably you don't have sports if - no, you said something about genetic engineering for them - "

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"Yes, why wouldn't we have sports?"

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"They seem like the sort of thing that would be less fun if no one's very good at them?  I suppose I don't know where the baseline for that skill is either."

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"Perhaps you have more fun with sports than we do but many of us still like them. Usually you loosely segregate by skill level."

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"We do that as well, though I suspect for different reasons."

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"Why do you?"

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"Well, often having the build that makes you the very best at a particular sport isn't actually all that convenient for day-to-day life, so there are separate leagues for the fully-optimized people versus regular folks, and then on top of that some allow copying stamina during the game and others don't, some of them allow you to copy your opponents' skillsets during the game and others don't; et cetera et cetera."

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"Gotcha. Yeah, ours are just like, to make it a fair and reasonably level competition."

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"It's yet worse with less-physical games.  Or better, from some perspectives."

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"Like chess or whatever? Yeah, I guess if you had magic available to try to be the best chess player ever you might wind up warping something delicate."

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"Chess is - a very interesting word, according to the version of Kularan in my head.  Like Jackelope was."

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"It's a board game. I could teach you if you want, ideally you have specialized pieces but you could just write their names on scraps of paper."

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"I could tell it's a board game!  And I can tell it's a board game very similar to one that we have, but not an exact match and not one where I can deduce what the differences are."

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"There are a lot of similar board games. I'll explain mine and you can see where they match." He explains chess.

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In the citreliac version, knights aren't ubiquitous; instead, there's a pool of pieces with movesets mostly unfamiliar to Sarham which both players agree on using one of before the start of the game. Each player is still allowed eight total double-step pawn moves, but it's not limited to one-per nor to pawns leaving their starting square; there are accordingly more-convoluted en passant rules.  Castling queenside has the king move three steps towards the rook instead of two, and castling through (but still not into or out of) check is allowed.  Otherwise it's the same.

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"Seems like you may have started with this chess back when humans got here however that happened and then a variant achieved fixation."

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"Agreed!  One of the people I was considering introducing you to for unrelated consultation has a passion for card and board games; perhaps you'd enjoy teaching and playing against him."

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"Wouldn't mind it. There's no internet here so we have to make our own fun."

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"You might only want to play him a few times; he's usually the national champion of something or other and maintains a very high level of skill in more games than anyone else I've heard of."

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"Do you have games with a luck element here? To keep it fun."

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"Probably.  Or you could introduce or invent some."

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"I'll teach your friend poker."

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"More of an acquaintance, really.  But I encourage you to do so."

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"What was the unrelated consultation?"

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"Hm?"

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"You said you were considering introducing him for unrelated consultation?"

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"Right, yes, I see.  - Apologies, I just remembered, I was curious about what you meant when you said that someone being magically good at board games might risk warping something delicate?"

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"I don't have a very good model of this but being good at sports is probably - mostly body type and then maybe things like reaction time that seem pretty generically good? Whereas being good at chess might involve - being really interested in chess, and thinking several moves ahead, and being particularly good at assessing the strategic situation from a board position, and stuff like that, which isn't bad, but it might be near things that you wouldn't want to change, like if you were, hm, normally mindful about the present moment or prone to picking out aesthetic patterns rather than strategic ones in stuff you looked at or if chess crowded out your other interests, and it seems to me like mental stuff is interdependent enough that it might be harder than physical stuff to put back how you want it afterwards, especially if you had an unpopular trait and your other traits directly related to that somehow."

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"Ah, yes, there's a risk of that sort of thing, although actually what I'd meant about the leagues being worse and better than physical sports was that people have strong opinions on how much magic is appropriate to use while playing.  Especially since under some circumstances it's possible to use it to glean which tactic your opponent is currently using."

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"Well, now, that would completely ruin poker."

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"I haven't picked up enough detail on that to be certain whether it contains any such circumstances."

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"It involves bluffing."

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"That isn't necessarily something that could be ruined by magic!  It would be possible to learn tells, sometimes, or to investigate your opponent's propensity for lying in general, but inclination is not action and no magic-version yet created is narrow enough for someone to be able to look and see whether another person is currently telling the truth.  I'd meant 'tactics' more broadly; intentions for reacting to various situations rather than an understanding of what the current situation is."

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"Oh, I see. Then it would not ruin poker necessarily."

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"It would be fairly horrifying if people were capable of picking up that level and type of detail."

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"I don't think I can go around expecting that nothing you have and accept here will horrify me."

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"I suppose not."

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"Probably something on Kular would horrify you too, though I'm not sure what if we take as a given that nobody there's magic and that limits our options."

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"Is there anything on Kular that horrifies you?"

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"Nothing - straightforward? There are controversial things on which I have opinions and those are inevitably going to horrify somebody and sometimes somebody's me. Foreign policy and xenowildlife conservation and prison conditions and work requirements for the dole and regulation of corporate working conditions and stuff."

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"Creta doesn't really have prisons.  Except for use in - very specific situations."

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"Well, you have mandatory personality traits, I imagine that cuts way down on crime for all that I find it creepy."

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"Substantially.

 

I was actually in one once; it's a bit of a funny story . . ."

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"...is it."

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"Mmhm, the foibles of youth and all that.  Said personality traits only become mandatory for people fifteen and older - well, the start of them; there are levels and that's when the first ones are - and I was quite the stubborn terror back in the day.  Had to be locked up for half a week after my birthday before I'd agree to it, and then I just took lack-of-hunger off the person they sent me.  So some poor soul had to starve himself until I actually went through with it, and it's something he can laugh off now but it really was quite selfish of me; it's terribly embarrassing.  - Ah, I'd forgotten to convert the years; it would be . . . seven Earth standard.  And hm, that's actually quite close, accurate out to - three decimal places.  Useful to have noticed."

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"Wh -

- I -

- never mind I don't know if you want to get into this -"

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"No, go ahead."

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"What kind of mandatory minimum prosociality lets people starve seven year olds without realizing they're the villains."

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"That's not - an exact translation - one that strongly values the social fabric and the high quality of life it allows us all?"

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"And will starve seven year olds to get it!"

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"It would not have actually been better if I had been exiled or if I had been able to stay in there indefinitely, mostly alone and with nothing to do, until I was old enough to emigrate but without having gained any of the skills or experience necessary to make it a feasible life path . . ."

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"Your parents should've moved with you somewhere else."

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"Yes, well, they didn't."

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"I - knew what I was doing, here; I'm still perfectly capable of understanding that you wouldn't actually find that funny, and putting the year conversion at the end for dramatic effect and - I apologize.  I just - want - "

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"I am not judging you for - whatever your motives but particularly the ones I'm imagining where no one has ever been sympathetic to you having been starved into acquiring mandatory personality traits when you were seven and you found somebody who would be."

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"It's best, for Creta, if you don't - if staying here is truly the best choice for you.  And that means not hiding things from you, and it means making sure you have someone who's absolutely on your side, to fight to get you dispensations from mandatory personality traits for a few decades and to personally escort you out of the country and beyond should you want that, because - that's really the only way to get what we want, and what I want, desperately - more food for everyone, even though it's only a luxury for us, and better travel, and fancier and more durable clothes, and radios - I want everything, for everyone, and if that makes things good enough that other places can suddenly compete with Creta then I don't care even on the levels you might object to because Creta will also be better - and - I genuinely think this is the best place to uplift the world from and in addition to perhaps desiring sympathy I am trying to - be someone you can cooperate fully with.  Is that at all coherent."

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"...I think so?"

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"Good."

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"I'm mostly not especially worried for myself? If I wake up one morning with the ability to copy stuff and somebody says well well well we have rules about that here, cool, I'll leave. I'm not seven. Kyeo, though -

- I like Kyeo -"

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"I did mean my 'you's as plural, for what it's worth.  Though I have less an idea of how I would broach the subject with him."

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"What is it you think you need to broach exactly?"

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"Well, ideally you could.  But that if he manifests magic he shouldn't give in to any official pressure about it - I did get the two of you fifty local years but if someone who didn't know that got to him first, he seems . . . I don't have a very good reading on him.  And that if the two of you do need to leave I will spend nearly arbitrary resources to accommodate it."

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"I don't actually know that I could convince him."

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". . . Ah."

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"Yeah."

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"I haven't looked at him with an eye towards that, but - if you're right he might just already have enough - "

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"I guess it'd be a weight off my mind if he did but I suspect it's not - necessarily aimed how you usually want it here? But I don't really know exactly how you want it here because I had been imagining it as a nice fluffy thing that definitely precluded starving children."

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"The ones for the general populace are typically - fluffier, than the ones for people operating in some sort of official capacity.  There's variety."

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"Well. I'd like to know if Kyeo's - safe. In the unlikely event that we come over all magical on our birthdays or something."

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"Wouldn't that be something.  I'll look when I next see him."

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"Thanks. - how far off am I? Just out of curiosity."

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"Hm.  I don't have units, but you're closer than I was at age six and would mostly be recognizably yourself on most angles, I think.  Though - certain aspects which aren't strictly necessary for every citizen are farther off."

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"What things are like that, not necessary for every citizen?"

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"Well for one, specialization is useful and so you don't actually want your researchers to be as inclined to submit to figures of Cretari authority as the rest of the populace, because we sometimes know things they don't and have better results if we work a bit more autonomously."

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"Do you need a job that requires an off-center trait to be allowed to have it?"

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"Depends on the trait.  Or I suppose on what you mean by off-center."

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"Well, like the not submitting to authority one."

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"Yes."

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"Must be - interesting - to not have the job, and get it and then -"

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"Mm."

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"It was - more ego-syntonic than previously - "

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"I bet."

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"I do quite like the job on its own merits."

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"I'm happy for you. Just..." Vague gesture.

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"I also could have emigrated, later.  And would have, if the two of you hadn't arrived, to go work on uplifting birds once that looked tractable."

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"Oh - why hadn't you done it yet when we got here?"

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"Lots of reasons.  I'm doing good here, and I - care about that, now, even if other versions of me wouldn't have, and I like living in the biggest city in the world, we get visitors from so many places and I get to talk to a fair number of them; I'm dating one of the world's hundred or so best singers and she doesn't want to move; I'm fond of the weather - I'm built stably enough that under normal circumstances I can go seasons or longer without dissociating, instead of five times a conversation - it's not really that - intrusive, normally . . ."

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"Used to dissociate a lot?"

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"No, I have been for a substantial portion of our time spent talking together over the past few days.  Though it might go away again now that things are more - out in the open."

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"Oh. Sorry. Is that a common side effect of - ego-dystonic traits -"

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"It's nowhere near ubiquitous but yes, somewhat common.  I think I'm somewhat unusual for how long it's persisted; most people - assemble themselves into something more coherent, I think, but I prefer the dissonance even though there are occasional side effects.  And it's better for Creta that I do, for autonomous operations reasons."

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"Autonomous operations? Like - if you didn't have access to an authority to consult you'd be more able to do stuff on your own in an emergency?"

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"Just on the same principle that researchers in general are allowed to find authority less compelling."

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"How do the authorities have to be?"

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"It varies quite greatly depending on level."

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"I suppose that stands to reason. At least people can check and make sure they're how they're supposed to be, so perhaps they'd know to freak out if one managed to somehow be even less prosocial than the existing starving-seven-year-olds level? - ugh, sorry, I used to be more, uh, diplomatic, but I was like - coached, on that, before we got to Ibyabek -"

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A bit wryly: "I'll give you another try, if you'd like."

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Sigh. "It's probably a useful anti-corruption measure that everyone can scan their leaders for the traits that are supposed to be there."

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"It is.  . . . Please don't mention - that - to anyone else; my leaving myself in a state to tell you that story was itself a bit of an autonomous operation, though - obviously something I believe was best for the country - "

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"Don't mention - what, starving seven-year-olds?"

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"Yes."

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"Do most people not know?"

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"It isn't - common - "

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"So you just disappeared for presumably days and none of your friends or your parents' friends wanted to know where you'd gotten to? And you hadn't made a big stink in advance about not wanting the traits?"

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"I've told people, just - not - to them it's a youthful foible, and it's a little surprising and sad that it had to happen but was fundamentally my own fault.  You're reacting very strongly to this and I - at least mostly predicted that - and so there's a narrower viewpoint which expects I shouldn't have told you in particular.  Please, please do not decide not to help us with technology about this."

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"I wasn't going to do that, no."

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"Thank you."

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"You're welcome."

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"It's come up in front of foreigners before and they didn't react as strongly as you have either."

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"I'm not sure what cultural characteristics would explain that. Maybe it's just the sort of thing that somebody obviously has to be doing in Creta if you spend a while living next door."

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"That sounds - plausible.  Or, I don't know whether starvation normally has long-term effects but it doesn't for us; I was fine immediately afterward.  They even gave me a cookie."

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"I did guess that starving would not have long term physical effects for you."

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"Maybe it was just what you said, then."

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"Or they're worse somehow, or they're glad that the most especially contrary children and their families aren't being selectively filtered out of Creta and into their countries, or something I have no way to think of on account of being from another planet."

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"I suppose I could find you a foreigner to ask at some point."

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"Are there many around? I don't know how you tell, nobody would have to look or sound different from anyone else."

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"There are quite a few!  There are limitations on how long they can live here but with most countries of origin those are on a scale of years and we get plenty of visitors.  - By our standards; it might not be that many compared with societies which have trains and the like."

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"How many would you estimate at any given time?"

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"Maybe . . . less than a hundred thousand, more than fifty thousand?"

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"Out of how many people in Creta?"

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"Oh, Creta's five or six million but I meant in the city which is some amount over two hundred thousand."

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"Huh, more than a quarter expats is a pretty high proportion."

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"It's not very representative of the country as a whole; foreigners aren't even allowed in the heartlands.  Except I suppose for a very short period of time if they're aliens who landed there accidentally and it's logistically complicated to move them."

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"Oh, is that where we were."

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"Mmhm.  It's the whole southish-centralish-westish part of the country."

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"We're city types anyway, no big deal."

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"Well, there's plenty of rural non-heartlands should you ever change your mind."

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"Mm-hm. - I have no idea how long Colley is going to keep Kyeo, is there anything else we should talk about while he's gone?"

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"We got distracted by - this general subject, before you got very far in telling me about how the two of you met.  . . . Or no, I think that was actually when I tried hinting at things and then started dissociating and then very clumsily changed the subject to sports and games.  But in any case."

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"My father's the ambassador to Ibyabek. When he was assigned, my mother and I tagged along, I would have missed them if I'd gone to stay with relatives or friends - it's a long enough trip that they couldn't go on living at home while they were there. The Ibyabekan government assigned Kyeo to hang around me and keep me occupied and try to learn things about Kular from me but it turned out we actually liked each other. Toward the end of the trip I swiped my mother's lens, a device for getting on the information network between planets, and showed him some pictures and things that he wasn't supposed to see. We got caught and he asked me to kiss him goodbye and I did and then I was deported from the planet and we never thought we'd see each other again."

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"How long ago was this?"

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"We were seventeen, Earth standard."

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"What sort of pictures were they - please don't feel pressured to answer if I hit on anything delicate - "

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"Pictures of Kular. He was especially - taken by - the grocery store."

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"I'm picking through the associations there but I think I don't quite have the context."

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"Ibyabek is poor. They put my family in a Potemkin village to make it look richer and it still looked poor even if you ignored how the neighbors were all actors. A completely mainstream Kularan grocery store has more options than their entire mocked up show-market in the ice cream section alone."

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"If you still have that picture I'll probably want to see it when we decide it's time to run down your lens's battery.  We may want to prioritize technological improvements that will start making you money in the short term because food is by far going to be your greatest expense living here and I can almost certainly get you a bigger stipend if needed but ideally we'd just make you rich."

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"I think our current stipend covers it but I won't turn down being rich. I guess Kyeo might have feelings about it."

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"I don't expect you to starve on it but I also tentatively expect you won't be particularly thrilled with the variety available to you."

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"Admittedly true."

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"If Kyeo were to have feelings about becoming rich do you have any idea what kind they would be?"

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"Ibyabekan communism is built on the ethos that it's - shameful, to be richer than other people."

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"Maybe it'll help that everyone here is generally speaking as rich as they want to be."

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"- that's not something you can copy, is it?"

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"Not directly, but people can copy enjoying in-demand jobs if they'd like to and nothing is forcing them to spend half their time on sabbatical.  I'm decently rich just from liking my job enough to keep it all these decades."

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"I'm not sure that will exactly counter Kyeo's stance on the matter but it might at least be confusing. - Ibyabek doesn't have a lot of job choice."

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"I suppose we aren't really helping with that aspect for you two personally."

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"I think it happens that we are both pretty happy to have - alien consultant jobs, conveniently."

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"I'm glad.  Can you explain - he asked you to kiss him?"

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"He kissed me first! And then asked me to kiss him again when we realized we'd been caught! He did not realize he was gay and I imagine it was somewhat overwhelming to have been assigned as a honeypot for another boy and then discover that information."

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". . . . . Assigned by whom."

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"Proximately, his dad, who works for the government, but I imagine it came from someone else beyond that."

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"I had gotten the impression that the government was the entity which had punished him for being gay."

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"Yes. He was supposed to be my honeypot, but not himself gay. That part came as a surprise to everyone. He'll describe it as being in the hospital, though, they kind of medicalize it."

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"Hm."

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"It was really fucked up."

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"Agreed.  It seems - especially perverse, to conflate healing with punishment - "

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"Yeah. He can't really talk about it, he gets the can't-talk problem real bad if he tries, but he wrote some stuff down for me once - it's not really mine to share till he says otherwise but it was so fucked up. I got off with thirty lashes and a ticket off the planet, he was in the hospital for like a year."

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"There's a sense in which I'm relieved that I haven't exposed you to novel levels of - anything."

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"The magic puts a new spin on it but I was not an ignorant naif before."

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"I don't have a very solid sense of how long things take to heal when one can't just copy them off . . ."

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"I was in the hospital - the actual hospital - for a few days after I got back to Kular, but they thought they could have gotten me ready to release faster if I'd been seen right away, the ship I was on didn't have a good infirmary."

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"I see.  It - feels like I'm missing something, but I don't know what to ask to find it."

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"...I don't know what that might be."

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"It's just not fitting together for me; you said it was for a year - and whose year, actually, citreliac or Earth Standard or Ibyabekan - and it seemed official rather than being a cruel outlier, but you said they're poor, so - how are they affording it, does the higher technology mean you can automate punishing people - and why are they bothering; you said he had a cooperative disposition, so was it - as an example for other people?  But you magicless folks can't even change that, so it wouldn't work as a warning . . ."

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"Ibyabekan year, a bit longer than Earth standard. One of the things they do is provide - not very good, but any - medical care to everyone without regard to ability to pay. There are also richer otherwise-capitalist planets that do that but Ibyabek is doing it as part of the communism. The doctors work for the state like everyone else on the planet. And punishing people isn't necessarily very expensive except in labor depending on how you do it. They were bothering because they think being gay is a disease that they could therapize out of him."

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"When I - "  Zarian stumbles in twirling the pencil she was fidgeting with, recovers.  "It at least worked."

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"...if you think that makes it better, sure."

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" - I apologize.  I'm glad for both your sakes that it didn't."

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"I like to think we'd get along even if he no longer wanted to kiss me but I do like that he does."

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"It just seems - offensively pointless - is that also something he might change if magically given the opportunity - "

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"Don't know."

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"Well, no one here is likely to nudge him past multisexual, at the very least.  Should I be . . . trying to think of things to say, as," she makes a slightly different flavor of unhappy face, "a relative authority figure?"

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"I don't think so, but thanks."

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"I wouldn't actually want to prevent either of you from making endorsedly preferred changes, but . . . there are so many things that could be different, and delicately so, if you somehow turned up with it, and even disregarding the intended results I have concerns and would prefer to either consult closely with you or find someone mutually trustworthy to do that instead.  For the record."

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"What things do you have in mind that could be delicately different?"

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"We don't have many records of what the earliest versions of the copying power were like and there have been centuries of work put into making them all more convenient and useable.  Bringing someone with a very narrow version back up to par is something we know how to do quite confidently, but it's still . . . . working with something metaphorically tame.  And even if yours were exactly the same I wonder if it'd be possible to miss something important that all our children know not to do from having grown up here."

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"Seems plausible. - Kids inherit copied traits, right? It's plausible that this is just a - mutation that achieved fixation, ultimately. In which case we'd never get it."

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"I certainly am not going to make any plans which rely on you acquiring it.  I was thinking we could go over your medical knowledge tomorrow."

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"Sure. Not even slightly a doctor but I know germ theory and stuff."

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"Maybe I should . . . the two of you should tell me everything you know about what aspects of physiology drugs affect; I should bring in some people to copy all of those of you, and then we should test any drug which you might need to use on people who can copy off the effects if something goes wrong."

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"Biology is pretty notoriously complicated."

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"We could . . . also then give you a very low dose of the ones that seemed alright, and see if the reaction matches there?  Not necessarily tomorrow, just, I'd like to have as much information as possible before any of this comes up on its own even a little bit."

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"I'm not sure that will be as informative as you might hope, a lot of things self-correct at small doses that can't at large doses, but we can try it."

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"Oh.  I - hm."

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"Hm?"

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"I just didn't know that and I'm fretting a touch about the general category it represents."

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"Oh. Yeah, bodies are kind of a disaster when you don't have magic or sufficiently high technology propping them up."

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"Well, we'll do everything we can to get sufficient in this regard quickly."

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"Glad to hear it."

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"Just out of curiosity, were you planning to tell Kyeo.  About - "

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"About what?"

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"My . . . youthful foibles."

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"No, that seems like yours to tell."

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"I see.  I - "  Zarian's attention flicks towards her office door.  Sarham doesn't hear anything notable.  "That'll be Colley.  Final remarks?"

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"I imagine we can talk alone again some time in the future if I think of any."

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"Certainly."  And shortly Sarham can make out some (very skillful) whistling reverberating up the stairwell.  Zarian gets the door before Colley would be obliged to knock on it.

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"Hi!!"

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"Hi! How'd it go?" Sarham asks, getting up to catch Kyeo by the hand and kiss his knuckles.

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Kyeo is silent!

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"He's on vocal rest for a few days but he really liked my setrekbort - that's an instrument - " she mimes playing it in a way that clearly corresponds to some actual song, "so I'm commissioning him one!"

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"- you are? How much does a setrekbort cost?"

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"It would be terribly gauche of me to say."

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"So you're commissioning one for him as a gift? That's very nice of you."

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"Mmhm!"

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Kyeo pats Sarham on the arm.

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Zarian pulls her chair a bit farther from her desk and sits back down.  "You're so generous."

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Now there is a Colley in her lap!  "I really really am.  - What's that?"

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"An underwater air-breathing alien creature called a dolphin!"

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"Wow!  Like a real one?"  Zarian nods into her shoulder; Colley tilts her head at it.  ". . . Should I be impressed with how fast you were picking up everything, Kyeo - I've learned instruments the slow way but I know a lot of instruments so it's not actually all that slow - how many did you know before today - "

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Kyeo shakes his head and taps his throat.

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Colley sets aside the endolphined sheet and slides the stack of blank paper formerly under it across the table.  Zarian donates her pencil.

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Kyeo writes that he's never played an instrument before, only sung.

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"See that's what I'd thought you meant but it seemed a little implausible!  I don't have much basis for comparison but you were picking it up pretty quickly."

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The voice is an instrument.

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"I agree and have in fact spent tens of hours over the course of my life arguing for that position!  I wasn't sure it was an instrument with skills that generalized that well to less controversial ones."

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Well, perhaps this can be ammunition in your next argument.

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Colley glances back at Zarian.  "Ammunition is - "

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"- in ranged weaponry ammunition is the part that goes from the weapon to the target."

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"Hm!  Anyways yes, I'll definitely keep that in mind.  Do you play anything, Sarham?"

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"I took cello lessons a little when I was a kid but didn't keep up with it at all."

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"If you ever felt like coming over and letting me see how fast you can pick up an instrument it would make me very happy.  And-slash-or if you wanted to help us reverse engineer cellos and any other instruments you know."

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"Sure, I can come over sometime - now?"

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"That would be delightful!"

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Sarham pecks Kyeo on the cheek and follows Colley out.

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Colley looks expectantly at Zarian from out in the hall.

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" - Kyeo, would you prefer to go back to the music building or do something else?"

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Kyeo gets up to follow Sarham and Colley.

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Colley continues not to go anywhere until Zarian comes out too, at which point she hops into her arms and begins moving towards the music building only by virtue of being carried.

 

Her office contains the same instruments as when she left it.  "Any of these strike your fancy?  Reeds are in there if you'd like to take a look at those."

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"Cello's a bowed instrument but I'm happy to start on something totally different if that will be more informative." He will pull out a relatively less intimidating-looking reed instrument and give it a whirl.

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He can get some pitches out of it!  But the fingerings are not entirely straightforward.

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Well, he'll fuck around with various ones and get confused by the ones where there's a discontinuity in the progression of which fingers are up and down till he tries more experimental fucking around.

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" - I'll give you at least one hint and it's that even though that position is producing a note, it's always going to be a little breathy and flat and the official one is this."  Colley has assembled another woodwind which appears to be approximately the same as the one Sarham is using but bigger; she demonstrates.

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Then he will play that note correctly, except when he forgets! "Which one is the strekenbort or whatever it was called?"

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"It's that one!  When you're at a pausing point perhaps Kyeo will want to show it off."

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Sarham gives up on the reed instrument presently and puts it back.

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Kyeo demonstrates the bonking of the instrument.

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"Oh, that's Anthem of the Bright Way, isn't it."

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Nod nod.

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"It might be meaningfully harder to pick up a thing that has unintuitive fingerings than one where the notes are all laid out like that, let's see -" Anything more celloish in here?

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There's one.  It has too many strings and isn't tuned to what Sarham is used to but at least the latter is fixable.

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He will experiment with various approaches to the fingerboard and bow the strings reasonably okayishly. He can't tune it well by ear, but he does his best to figure out a scale and then Amazing Grace.

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"How closely related are the genres of these two songs?"

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"- basically not at all, why? I mean, they're both intended to be - singable by amateurs? But they're not from related traditions or the same century."

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"Well, I'm trying to derive as much of your music theory and style conventions as I possibly can and that's important context."

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"Ah, makes sense. I can try to sing more complicated songs than I can play, I won't do it well but I won't completely lose the thread of what I'm doing?"

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"I would really appreciate that!  Or if you just want to take them down I can learn your notation system.  - If taking down music is a thing you know how to do."

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"It is not."

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"Well then I'll do it and we'll see where things go from there."

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"Did you say your lens had music on it?"

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"It does, is that what we want to use its charge on?"

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"One use among as many as we can fit in.  Probably if you work with Colley on plenty of songs we'll figure out a lot that way, and then we can bring in a group of people to transcribe the fully-instrumented versions of a few and use those to extrapolate much of the rest."

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(Colley is bouncing and shoulder-shimmying.)

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"Okay." And he will sing Amazing Grace and anything else he can remember the lyrics to, though for a lot of songs that's just the chorus and he has to mumble through some parts.

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"I will also happily take tunes you don't remember lyrics for.  And if you remember harmonies or any other things going on besides the melody that would help a lot too."

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"I do not remember any harmonies basically at all, sorry, but I can hum stuff." He hums stuff.

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Colley transcribes it all into uncanny-valley sheet music and makes only a few mistakes in what she sings back to him to check that she got it right.

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He will let her know when he notices a note being wrong.

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"Do you know anything about how your sheet music works to compare against this?"

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"Uh, some things. Not enough to transcribe any specific song but I know what it looks like approximately." He will write out a staff and draw a bass clef and put some notes of various values in at random.

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" - Hm.  Kyeo, are you more familiar with it?"

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He wobbles a hand, writes and labels the notes on a treble clef, remembers how to write sharps and flats. Draws a D major scale.

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"I thiiiiiiiink," (she warbles) "this looks really similar to some ancient sheet music we have archived somewhere, but it's been a few decades since I looked at it and I don't remember for certain.  I'll try and dig up some copies overnight; it would be really exciting if we could discover how to interpret that."

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Nod nod!

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"I don't suppose either of you know anything directly about your music theory instead of just having examples that can be used to extrapolate."

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"I could probably answer - some music theory related questions? But only because I'll have picked stuff up, not because I learned it systematically at all, so I don't know what to say from a cold start."

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"Is it a coincidence that most of the songs you've demonstrated use the same scale?"

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"Do you mean like, they're all in major keys, or did I happen to also sing them all in the exact same scale - most songs work fine if you sing them up or down a bit to get them in your range so I might have done that by accident -"

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"The major part."

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"Yeah, that's just the most popular. I probably know some minor songs..." He thinks about it for a bit and then hums one.

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Colley notes the notes.  "Any others?  Scales, not individual songs.  Or I mean also individual songs, obviously, but."

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"Uh, I think maybe Scarborough Fair is in a weird one?" He can sing that.

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"So the rest of them are weird, then?"

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"Yeah, not really in vogue and haven't been for a long time."

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"Hm!  I wonder why that is."

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"No idea, sorry!"

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"Don't worry about it."  She plays a sample of something in Phrygian.  "Does that sound - ugly to you, or just weird, or not particularly notable?"

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"Kind of weird but not ugly really?"

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"Interesting.  Kyeo, what's your verdict?"

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Kyeo will scare up some writing materials and write Much of our music is like Sarham's but some is pentatonic instead and then he will figure out and bonk some scales to demonstrate.

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"Ooooh.  Which of these chord progressions sounds most like what you're used to - "  And she will keep on asking similar questions and transcribing songs until one of them gets hungry again.

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Sarham gets hungry first - or at least announces it first, which might not mean anything since Kyeo isn't talking - and remarks that they should head home and fix dinner.

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"Okay, see ya!  Will you be back tomorrow?"

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Nod nod!

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"Can you find your way back from here or would you prefer an escort?"  She presses a much-folded piece of paper into Sarham's hand.

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"I think I remember how to get home." Pocket.

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She nods.  "If you'd come to my office tomorrow before returning here I'd appreciate that; of course one hopes nothing would come up on the scale of a morning versus an afternoon but I'd rather give the people I'm delegating your medical research to as long as possible to do their work."

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"Shouldn't be a problem."

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"In that case I should probably run over to Kilsti's in the morning to talk about that arrangement of 'Heartbeat Search' they were editing," Colley notes to Zarian, and the two of them launch into a scheduling discussion for which the aliens have very little context.

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The aliens can head out and come back as planned the next day.

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Zarian meets them outside with bad news about the (non-)existence of actually-safe citreliac safety razors, but also with a prototype bicycle!  It has solid rubber tires, one gear setting, a jerkily-overenthusiastic set of brakes, and a seat that's not too uncomfortable or too movement-restricting.  It is substantially heavier than anything Sarham is used to.

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He will still take it for a spin around the block, picking up speed and confidence with the machine till he returns to the origin point.

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"Better than walking?"

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"Uh, I'm looking forward to the second draft? Right now it might be a little better sometimes."

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"I'll pass that along."  She waits for Sarham to dismount, hefts the bike across her shoulders, and starts inside and up the stairs.  "Do you expect the best bikes to be better than running around for citrelians?"

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"Uh - great question, I think that depends on how good your roads are."

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"Well, if it were going to be much better I imagine we could improve them.  Heartland cities have better roads than here because they just leave carts everywhere for anyone to use and people there rely on that, I know, and of course the trade wagon routes are kept in good maintenance . . .  I suppose your standards still might be higher than anything we can produce yet."

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"It might specifically be an improvement in situations where you can't copy not being tired, since bikes are more efficient per mile, but I could imagine it helping even over shorter distances. I'm not sure though."

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"Hm!  It seems like it would take a bit of a coincidence for people to be near well-paved roads - or places where well-paved roads could be put - in those cases, but we'll have to see about the shorter ones."  Zarian's office door has a couple people waiting outside it; she greets and has a short conversation with them in Cretari before turning back to the aliens.  "These people are going to copy some aspects of your biologies and take a drug apiece, unless you object."

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"Sounds like a reasonable experiment to me."

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Then the five of them (plus the bike) can all file into Zarian's office, and the pair of drug-tryers can hang out for a few minutes while Zarian interrogates the aliens about their civilizations' medical knowledge!  There's a nice big stack of paper so she can take notes and Kyeo can talk and anyone who needs to can draw up clarifying diagrams.  Another ten or so test subjects pop in at various times over the course of the morning.

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Kyeo very responsibly doesn't say a word out loud, just scribbles things he has to say.

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Sarham is not actually accustomed to handwriting but he can just talk.

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One of the notes Zarian makes is to ask him about that later.

"If we were to try these on someone with either strong masochism or no pain awareness," she asks in a conversation about stitches, "would that defeat any of the point of doing it at all, do you think?"

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"Uh - I don't know, would this just be for practice or something?"

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"And to test the adequacy of our materials, our understanding of the process."

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"No pain awareness at all would probably leave them unable to report if the stitches were - I don't know, pulled too tight or something? And I guess make unrealistic predictions about how easily one of me or Kyeo could hold still if we needed stitches. As far as I know masochism doesn't have that problem."

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Today she remembers that lunch exists without Sarham needing to mention it!  Possibly only because they're wrapping up a conversation about refeeding at the appropriate time.

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They can go home for lunch unless she's planning to treat them to a restaurant again.

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She doesn't seem to be.

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Then they will go home and eat eggs and veggies and come back. (Sarham has been keeping an eye out for ingredients he could use to reconstruct his favorite things but eggs and veggies are easy and nutritious so they have them a lot.)

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Zarian has her legging scrunched up over one knee and is in the process of securing a bandage around her calf when they return.  "Hello; incidentally, I expect you'll want to wait for the next model of the bike before doing any more riding."

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"Gear munched your leg or something?"

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"'Or something'; I healed off the rest but keeping this much seemed convenient.  I didn't actually take any of your biking skill; you might have been fine."

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"I'm not used to hungry gears, my bike was electric and had all kinds of fancy casing preventing the moving parts from grabbing my pants, let alone my me."

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"Mm, what I mean is that there was a collision."  She stretches her pantleg out and back over the bandage; on closer attention she's wearing a different wrap-y tunic-y thing than she was this morning.

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"Ah. Also bad. Sometimes happens even to experienced riders."

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"In any case it's a convenient opportunity to test out the day's topic."  Which she directs the conversation back to.

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" - You'll write down anything else you remember later, yes?  This is - extremely important."

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Nod nod.

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"Well, have fun.  We can come over to meet you there later."

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Colley greets him bouncefully.  "Our ancient sheet music is the same as yours!!!  Your modern kind, I mean - here, I have copies - "  She passes over a sheaf, with printed staves but handwritten notes and lyrics.

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He looks it over. That looks like the Kularan alphabet! he writes.

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"I know!!!  Do you recognize this - "  She plays a line on the setrekbort.

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Headshake.

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"Well, maybe your Sarham will."  She hums a little phrase as punctuation.  "How are you today?"

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I'm fine. I don't know very much about medicine except for how I was treated for a condition you don't consider a disease here so I was not useful to Zarian today.

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Colley resumes playing.  "Oh?"

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Nod nod. He bonks along.

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"Mm."  Bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk, bonk-bonk; bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk, bonk-bonk; bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk bonk bonk-bonk~

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" - Dira!!  Kyeo, this is my twin, Diravni - Dira; Kyeo - " and she's off chattering in Cretari.  Kyeo catches his and Sarham's names, and 'music', 'listen', 'thank you' (as an aside when she accepts one of the mugs), and 'nights'.  Dira nods; she switches back.  "They have a few more performances left of a show and are too lazy to pick up something that would let them zhoop a whole language before then - you should really go see it before it closes, do you like theatre?"

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" - Oh, right.  Of course.  Well, it's a musical, you could still enjoy the dancing and whatnot; someone could tell you the plot beforehand or afterward or - though I have a box, during is still a bit too much of a breach of audience etiquette - but maybe half of each depending on your preference."

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"Or we have the script and could maybe do a live-translated table read at some point before afterward et cetera."

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I have not been to live theater before! I don't know if it is worth going to the trouble for me.

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"What, as opposed to dead theatre?"

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Recorded performances.

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"Oh."  She starts to say something in Cretari but then switches to a signed language.  The twins exchange a few comments and then Colley notes, while still signing, "There's a dance brush-up for the leads in a bit if you want to sit in on that to get a better idea of whether it'd appeal."

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"In the meantime do you have any idea of what these boxy dotty things are?"  She points to one of the many above the staves.

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Kyeo shakes his head.

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"A shame."

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Dira belatedly offers the second mug to Kyeo.

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A mug! What is in it?

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Tea!  The same kind Colley gave Kyeo a tin of yesterday.

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Sip.

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It tastes unfamiliar but not unpleasant, with just a hint of something spicy-adjacent.  Dira ducks out and returns shortly with a third mug for himself; Colley works on bonking out a new song one-handed while she drinks.

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The setrekbort is very good. Though possibly because he has been not-talking for a while Kyeo is in the mood to mess with wind instruments for a little bit today.

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"Help yourself!  Though would you mind terribly if I shunted you off to a practice room until you've picked up the basics?"

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He will be shown to a practice room.

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He has about 45 minutes in there before Dira knocks to bring him to rehearsal.

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Which he will attend with interest!

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Colley hangs back to saw away with something stringed and bowed at the ancient sheet music.  The room they go to is clearly specifically for rehearsal and not performance, but there's a line of stools up against one of the walls.  Four of them already have people on them: one going through a folder of notes and sketches, another warming up on a big harpish thing, one knitting, and one reading.  Dira gestures for Kyeo to sit and spends a moment talking to the folder lady before joining a fifth person doing stretches in the center of the room.

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What, Kyeo wonders, is the point of more than one of you doing the stretches. But he does not get out his paper to ask, just watches and bobs his head to the tuneup-music.

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Well, some of the stretches Dira and the other dancer do are collaborative, but that can't be the whole answer because the majority aren't.  They also perform some trust falls and do a bit of throwing each other around in the air before getting started.

Folder Lady counts them in and the accompanist starts a frantic introduction.  Several snippets are already familiar from the warmups and from Colley's whistling yesterday, but the stylisms are very different; the player largely lets the strings ring out and the reverberation is left to overlap itself into disharmony except for key moments of staccato.

The dancers are equally wild, but clearly working around some structure not present in the rehearsal space that they're meant to be climbing up and jumping off from time to time.  There are a fair number of acrobatic feats, but the impression is definitely of a dance that happens to include them when they serve what it's going for, and not of a gymnastic showcase.  Folder Lady - the director, presumably - cuts them off at moderately frequent intervals to reposition an arm or nitpick a timing.

 

It's subtle enough that several tries go by with it being noticeable, but when she resets between takes it's a little more obvious - the other dancer is copying from the knitter and the reader as she performs.  Her hair grows less lustrous and her face gains a pallor that doesn't look unhealthy on its own, but is sickly paired with her acting; when the director lets the scene run long enough she trips and falls in a way that looks legitimately accidental (and quite painful) except for the fact that everyone keeps going afterward.

Dira's character mimes offering her various invisible objects plucked from the nonexistent scenery, which resaturate and revitalize her to various degrees, all temporarily - startlingly, they begin to sing several minutes into the number.  It's probably less jarring in the context of the full show; it manages to sound like a reprise even though Kyeo hasn't heard an earlier song it could be referencing.  Ultimately Dira pulls something from his chest, extending the hand holding it to her, eyes on the edge of watering - and the director calls a halt to switch scenes, seeming pleased.

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Is this... interpretive dance about the concept of... aging?

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It's pretty hard to tell from watching an out-of-order practice session in a language he doesn't speak!  The next song is more upbeat and catchy and involves a lot more singing.  The level of breath control would be really impressive if exhibited by people without the ability to copy oxygen levels off of bystanders; as is it's still pretty neat that they can hold notes steady while doing all that jumping around and whatnot.

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If Colley gets him his singing voice back she's going to be so disappointed.

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Most of the songs they practice after that are more upbeat than dramatic but there's still a range.  Six of them go by (with rather fewer interruptions than the first) before everyone starts gathering their things and Dira comes over to collect Kyeo.  "Whether you like it?" he attempts to ask.

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Nod nod. What was the dance about?

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"Hm, ah - story a person is of, a story a book goes into?  Bad for.  . . . Colley ask better."

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Kyeo shows the paper to Colley.

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She's entirely graceful about being interrupted from her ancient sheet music when they return to her office.  "Which one - " Dira nudges her arm and they have a brief conversation.  "So the general premise of the show is that this person gets transported into a book that she's reading, but then it turns out that real people can't live for very long in books, because of - actually never mind, we don't need to get into that just now.  But she tries to avoid becoming a book person because then she couldn't go back to the real world, but then she's going to die if she doesn't, but they sometimes have resurrection in the book world, so she decides to - hm."  Cretari Cretari.  "If you didn't already see the end I'm not going to spoil it for you now, you should just go see the whole thing or let us do the table read thing or whatever."

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Nod nod. My guess was that it was about aging.

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"Oh, no, it's a newer show."

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It could have been set in the past.

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Colley accents her handwibble by using it to play a trill on her instrument.  "Ten years ago maybe, but it's not in fashion right now."

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Dira interjects!

 

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"Okay the original book was a little bit about that but Liva derails things before it gets to that, and also the original book is much less popular."

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Kyeo mimes a book curiously.

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"I wouldn't bother with it personally.  Dira would tell you differently but since he doesn't have your language yet I'm telling you it's not worth your time."

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Eyeroll.

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Shrug, nod.

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"Anyways, I've learned the rest of these songs; do you recognize any?"  She plays snippets of each.

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One of them gets a handwobble but then he shakes his head.

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"Does this one sound similar to a different song you know?"

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Nod nod.

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Here is the setrekbort!!  Here are its mallets!

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He will attempt to pick out the reminiscent piece by ear, though he has a lot of stops and starts.

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Colley writes the confident bits in the new-to-her notation and elbows Dira into taking it down in the Citreliac one.

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It does have a bit of a lick in the middle that resembles part of what she was demonstrating but it's not obviously a derivative song.

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Colley hums an improvised mashup of the two while she finishes writing, then demonstrates the rest of the set.

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Kyeo claps when she's done.

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" - Thank you!  You're very sweet."

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It was good!

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"Well, it's only because of you that I could read it."  She clicks her tongue thoughtfully.  "I suppose I should probably write up my findings now for the historical society.  They said they should be able to get me copies of other ancient sheet music; maybe you'll recognize some of the surviving pieces from other composers."

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Nod nod. Or Sarham.

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"Or Sarham!  Or Sarham and these ones I already have, if I'm very lucky."

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Nod nod.

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"I'm going to go hang out in the courtyard to write, do you need anything else first?  You can stay in here with the instruments until he and Zarian come over."

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Thumbs up.

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Thumbs up!

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Back at Zarian's office, she waited through a few medical topic transitions to ask, "About that note from yesterday . . ."

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"What about it?"

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"Just wondering if you had any comments or were wanting for any elaboration."

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"My hope is that it won't come up for - a long time, I guess it would be nice if we were able to copy things eventually, but hopefully only after - everyone's more used to us and -" Shrug.

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"Hm . . .  Knowing the people I do I think I expect the opposite.  If it were sooner there might be more leeway in, 'Oh, they've gone through this strange ordeal and should have time to adjust,' whereas down the road a ways they might expect you to be - acclimated."

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"Really? That seems backwards - if we live here for years and don't cause any trouble it'd obviously not be an emergency -"

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"It's - only partially about trouble-causing.  Inclination isn't action, is a saying we have here."

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"I think I've heard it, yes."

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"So I would expect people to base it off more whether they primarily think of you as Cretari citizens or as visitors."

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"Gotcha.

Where else is there to go, if - that winds up making sense for whatever reason -"

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"I may have mentioned I've always intended to move to Brydov someday.  It's rather far away, though, possibly too far for the two of you to practically go with our level of traveling technology."

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"Nobody pulls carts there? Isn't there trade?"

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". . . No, there is."

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"So we could hitch a ride with a trade caravan and be the designated people who eat and sleep, plausibly."

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"Quite plausibly.  There are 'whatever reason's I can think of that would make that harder, but - yes.  Plausibly."

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"Yeah, ideally, uh, Kyeo and I would know that we wanted to leave before anyone else formed an opinion about whether we were allowed."

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"Mm."

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"Sorry, I don't mean to - cause you, uh, psychological tension?"

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"Mmhm."  She blinks.  "It might be wiser to - not have conversations with me - that I - might need to put my head back in legal order, after - unless . . ."

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"Yeah. Sorry."

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Zarian crosses her bandaged leg around one of the supports holding up her desk and presses her shin into it, but doesn't seem to have an immediate verbal response to that.

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"Are you keeping the injury for data? It's not bothering you?"

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"It's not bothering me," she confirms.  "And in fact I'm finding it very helpful at present.  - What were you going to tell me about next?"  She consults a list.  "Cancers?"

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So Sarham can explain what he knows about cancer in all its varieties.

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And all other manner of medical topics, until he either runs out or they hit the end of the workday!

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And then they can rejoin Kyeo and Sarham can go over what they covered and see if Kyeo knows anything he doesn't.

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Which he largely does not, in this domain.

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Zarian notes that he doesn't.

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Colley strolls in in the middle of this confirmation and interrupts.  " - Sarham!!  Do you recognize any of these songs?"  She drops off her write-up on her desk, shoves the sheet music in his direction, and strikes up the first number on her string instrument from earlier.

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Sarham recognizes the hook for "Margaritaville" and is bewildered. "That's old but it's not that old! It's probably less than three hundred years old! You guys don't age, you should have more than three hundred years of known history on this planet!"

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Colley looks like she's experiencing every holiday at once, and having dance parties at all of them.  "We've only been not aging for about three hundred years!  But we have much more history than that."

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"The year-length difference - " Zarian notes to Colley.  "We've been not aging for - hm, 140 years or so."

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"Oh, that.  . . . Could the year-lengths be very different, like in Wind-Up?  Where time is different on and off the planet or something?"

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"I don't know what Wind-Up is but I guess on top of all the other weird shit this could be a time-dilated planet somehow! How much history do you have?"

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"It's 1294 but the historian I talked to last night said we only have concrete details about things that've happened from around the two or three hundreds on."

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"But the music is from - earlier than that?"

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"She didn't know!  Maybe, because of something about the way it was printed, I think?"

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"Because the question here is, like, are there artifacts from whenever people showed up on this planet, such as this sheet music, or, did it show up after that somehow..."

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"I bet she would really enjoy talking to you about that!"

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"Will she be available soon?"

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"She was fine enough with me dropping in last night!  Oh, we could watch the show and then go there together, assuming - Kyeo, do you want to go to Dira's show tonight?  There's two more performances after this if you don't but also don't want to miss it."

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Nod nod.

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"Do remember that they have to do all their own sleeping."

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"Oh, hm.  How much is that?  - You're not making them come in on the weekend, are you?"

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"I wasn't planning on it."  She turns to the aliens. "But as I understand it you still prefer to sleep most of the night?"

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"It's the most convenient time for it."

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"Do you mean that in the way where you always want to do it then, then, or where it maybe being more convenient to meet the historian at night outweighs it?"

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"We'll feel worse-rested if we move around what part of the day we sleep in too much. And also can't see in the dark. We could stay up a bit late or wake up a bit early but not just put off sleep till daylight comfortably."

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"Oh, I don't want you to feel worse-rested!  I'll send this in the mail and add a scheduling note.  Do you want to see her this weekend or wait?"  She starts writing.  "I think it should count as work if you want it to."

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"This weekend sounds fine."

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"Then you should get time off during the week to make up for it."

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"That can happen."

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"Sounds good to me. I'm sort of surprised you've kept the concept of weekends."

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Zarian takes out her notebook.  "Why?"

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"Uh, the cultural origin is about religion, which I haven't seen much evidence of around here, but it persists in secular civilization - mostly I just notice you have a much reduced need for rest, and if you wanted more leisure time, you could do a lot of it at night. In societies where everyone is inevitably going to need time off because they're sick, or taking care of sick family members, or catching up on their grocery shopping or their sleep or their exercise, there are plenty of professions that need to be available all week long and so days off aren't always on the weekend, so between that and the way it'd be easy for you to slosh time off around freely, I'm surprised the concept hasn't kind of evaporated."

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"Nights aren't free leisure time because most places are still open then.  There are stereotypes of, say, someone opens a shop and acquires the will to work every single day for the next few decades to become rich, but most people don't want to work that much.  And having specific days for it built in lets people meet up with their friends more easily, or schedule theatre performances when more people will be able to go see them."

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"I guess! Though it is still dark at night. You probably have much lower labor force participation but I would not have naively expected that to result in weekends retaining fixation."

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"But instead it's the opposite, because I had to coin a - not particularly creative - translation for seasonends."

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"Apparently! Though I might just call those 'holidays'."

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"That connotation doesn't sound nearly frequent enough."

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"There are lots of holidays! Most people only celebrate a handful of big ones."

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"If you say so."

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"Your years are short but they aren't that short, I usually observe about, let's see - eleven, twelve - fourteen holidays in a standard year."

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"There are usually twelve days' worth of seasonend in a year, with some but not all of them also being other holidays and some holidays being on non-seasonends."

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Nod nod. "Anyway. Historian on the weekend."

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Colley doesn't look up from her writing.  "And a musical tonight!  - Unless only Kyeo wants to go?"

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"I'd see a musical! Though I presume it'll be incomprehensible."

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"I can explain it!"

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"In that case I will uncaveatedly love to see a musical."

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"Oh good!  Do you want just the premise or nearly-full spoilers going in?"

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"Start with the premise and debrief after? Unless you have a cast party to be at once it wraps."

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"Oh, I'm not in it."

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"If it is convenient to debrief after that would probably be the ideal viewing experience."