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She is slower than the mirror-faced snake, and for some reason it is choosing to chase her, and she is not in dense enough forest to lose it by going up a tree or between a couple too narrowly spaced for it. So it catches her before emergency services can turn up.

And then she is somewhere else, in a not particularly attractive room next to a person who looks sort of off somehow.

"Excuse me," she says, taking a step out of his personal space.

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It should not be possible for her to be here, at all. 

It is very alarming that she is here anyway. They are, to put it shortly, panicked. 

Someone screams. Someone else shouts something slightly more coherent than that and still unfamiliar. Several people who were standing against the walls spring at her from the walls, holding swords. 

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The person she nearly landed on reaches for a piece of jewelry at his neck. It pulses with light.

"Dictum." he says. This creates a powerful rush of air, a bit like the feeling of being around a Maia who doesn't know how to be around people, but does not do anything. 

He seems somewhat relieved. He raises his hand, just slightly, and the sword-people halt just short of stabbing her. 

"Did you mean to come here?" he asks her. It sounds like he's speaking perfect Quenya.

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"No, I'm as confused as you are. Are those swords? Why do they have swords?"

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" - Detect Alignment.

- this is the palace of the pharaoh, in Sothis, in Osirion. It's supposed to be impossible to land here. Did you get plane shifted by someone very very powerful, by chance?"

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She pings lawful good.

"Well, possibly, but I really did think he had cut it out with interventionism. Also if I'd been told this morning to expect Eru to drop me on another planet I would not remotely have been able to predict the part where he would use a snake monster to do it."

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"Your grace," one of the men holding a sword to her throat says, very unhappily. 

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He stops looking happy and engaged and goes back to looking distant and reserved. "Our security needs to verify that there's not a threat here. They'll ask you some questions. We'll speak to you later."

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"...all right."

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The guards tug them away from each other, very firmly.

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Fine, fine, she will let them tug her along.

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They tug her through the palace. 

It's not bad-looking or anything but it's pretty bizarre that it's a palace; it looks like a person of about average talent and about average access to materials designed something perfectly livable but not, like, notable in any way. There are a lot of people standing about, most of them wearing either guard uniforms with swords or half-transparent dresses. 

 

They tug her into a small room that is quite ugly.

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...she will wait and see how long they need her, but if it's more than a few minutes she will maybe close her eyes. "What is it you need to know?" she asks.

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"Bestow Curse. Zone of Truth. Did you intend or expect to arrive in the palace?"

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"No."

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"Did you intend or expect to cause the pharaoh any harm?"

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"No. Regardless of who you mean, but if you want to ask any more specific pharaoh-related questions you might want to confirm for me that he was the fellow I spoke to earlier?"

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"Yes, that was the pharaoh."

They want to know if she intended to harm anyone else. They want to know if she knows any more about how she got here. They want to know what god she follows.

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She does not. She can give some more circumstantial details about the snake monster but is honestly pretty confused about both the immediate monster-based transit mechanism and what Eru might be trying to pull. As for the last - "do you mean which is my favorite, or...?"

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" - I suppose so? Some people are devoted to one or a few particularly."

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"It seems odd to play favorites. I could tell you my least favorite but... if you have heard of any of the names I'd be sifting through I would think you wouldn't need to ask... so probably you haven't."

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"...okay. Where are you from?"

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"I was born on a planet called Endorë but moved to one called Valinor when I was a child. If you want it down to the city it's Valimar when I'm working, Tirion when I'm not."

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"Can you describe the star, and the planet's relation to the star?"

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Sure, she can natter on about their respective stars, including the binary system.

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They seem confused by this. They whisper to each other a bit and write it down. 

 

They have a bunch more questions which all seem to be variants on whether she plans to betray or murder anyone here or sell their secrets to other people who might betray or murder everyone here.

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"Would this be faster if I swore to it, by any chance, because I'm happy to, if you just haven't wanted to be presumptuous about that..."

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"Not considered advisable to rely on with a translation effect in place, though I appreciate it," the man says. "We're almost done - family? Are you married?"

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"Oh, it's an effect, I'd been going to ask why you spoke Quenya. I'm married, no siblings no children, my parents also live on Valinor."

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"Is your husband here?"

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"No."

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"What's his name?"

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"Rúmil."

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"And yours, if it's different?"

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"...my name is not the same as his, isn't that a confusing practice? I'm Mirelotë Ambela."

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"People say Mr. Rúmil and Mrs. Rúmil, to distinguish them, but it doesn't work well if you've got several wives. That's all the questions. I'll take you back in, then."

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"Thank you."

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And they walk her back into the palace, up some flights of stairs. 

"You kneel for the pharaoh," an attendant tells her, "and wait for him to address you and give you permission to look at him or stand or speak."

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"All right."

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"This is the interplanetary visitor?"

       "The pharaoh wanted her. Your grace."

"I'm pretty sure he's occupied, I was just talking to him."

      "Then we'll wait for him, your grace."

"But I could talk to her while she waits. What's her name -"

      Sigh. "Mirelóte Ambela."

"Mirelóte Ambela," he says delightedly, with immense care for the words. "Did they pronounce that right, Mirelótë Ambela -"

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"They have accents. It's Mirelótë Ambela. I'm half surprised the translation effect didn't just translate my name."

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"It's a horrid spell and I hate it but it doesn't translate names and sometimes you can get anywhere with that. Mirelótë Ambela." This time his accent is correct. "Did you know, we didn't even know you could have a livable planet around two stars. Why do you look so much like we do? Species that were created independently on other planets usually don't."

        "The pharaoh's father, the Price Fe-Anar," says the attendant, bowing and looking less than delighted.

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"Don't they, are there many? I don't know, perhaps Eru took design inspiration from you or vice-versa from your inventor. I believe the planetary engineering was an enormous headache and the god of the sea in particular complained but was outvoted because the double sun arrangement is so pretty. What does your name mean, mine is 'jewel beyond'."

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"Star-souled. They managed two habitable planets in the system with two stars, or is Endorë elsewhere?"

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"Endorë's twenty-five light years away.

I have a friend named Fëanáro which means 'spirit of fire' and you are uncannily reminding me of the time I came home from my honeymoon and he wanted to know everything I had picked up about orc dialect speciation in case they had changed since he'd last got an update."

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" - had they?"

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"Yes, orcs have a lot of children very quickly, compared to Quendi languages it's really breakneck and everything I told him was probably out of date by the time I got there to tell it."

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" - but how long could that possibly have taken? If you've got two worlds you must have a gate between them?"

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"...no, it's twenty-five light years away and it took twenty five years."

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" - huh! Your species doesn't age? Or just very slowly?"

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"...don't what?"

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" - the gods on this plane got frustrated with how people'd get all upset when they died when their time was up, so they invented aging. Life gets steadily more unpleasant and the body steadily less good at functioning, until you die."

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"That's stupid. Where do they live?"

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" - lots of different places? The god who advises and guides this country is Abadar and he's in Aktun but he's not the one who did aging. I think that was mostly Pharasma."

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"Well, where does Pharasma live?"

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"The Boneyard. I don't actually know more specifically than that. You are not allowed to, uh, just go visit her."

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"I'm envisioning a multi-step process, so I suppose the first several steps can be arranging that in some way."

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"Well, the pharaoh wants you, the pharaoh is Abadar's conduit on this world, that's probably your first step. But you should tell me more about your society, first. How many species? How many languages that aren't mutually intelligible? How many languages that are distinct to a listener?"

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"Three incarnate species - Quendi, orcs, and Dwarves - plus our gods, the Valar, and Maiar who are smaller versions of them; and I suppose you could if you were even more generous with the word 'species' call Eru a species." And she has Fëanáro's figures to give him for the latter questions.

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Bounce bounce. "I can't ask you about the languages while you have the translation spell up but it shouldn't last that long  - or even better, when you're done talking with the pharaoh you can get it dispelled -"

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"All right." Where is the pharaoh, anyway, they haven't been waiting all that long but if he weren't in any sort of hurry she sort of would have expected to have been offered a glass of water or something. Oh well. She waits kneeling like she used to do for the Valar.

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The pharaoh walks in. 

Prince Fe-Anar kneels like her.

The attendants kneel further, press their faces against the tile floor.

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...she looks at the attendants, shrugs minutely, bends over the rest of the way.

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"But of course my father got here first," he says. "You can look at me." And to his father "What were you asking her about?"

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"Her planet. Are you going to be a while -"

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"I very well might! Something sent her here to me and given the power necessary involved I'm disinclined to call it coincidence."

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"When you are done I would be grateful if you'd arrange for the language spell to be dispelled."

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"We'll keep that in mind." He sounds very faintly amused. He turns back to Mirelótë. 

"Do sit comfortably. Do you have any guesses about why you might've been sent here, if you were sent here intentionally?"

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She sits back. "Only if it was in fact Eru, who is my top guess but without my knowing much about the gods you have here. If it was him he thinks it will do something... entertaining... which is probably bad but not necessarily unsalvageable."

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"Eru is one of your gods?"

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"Eru created our universe, and the Valar and Maiar, and the Quendi - the other two incarnate species were Vala-designed. He was omnipotent but has been handing off his power to the Valar in installments for some time now, though he's still more powerful than they are."

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"Huh. We've heard of none of those, and the competing stories of the creation of this plane always feature at least two gods."

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"I don't currently have a reliable way to distinguish between the hypotheses that you're from a completely different dimension Eru didn't make, or that you're a project of his he's been hiding."

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"We'd be interested in helping you figure that out, if there's a reliable way to do it. We would be surprised to be a project of Eru's; Abadar ought to know."

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"The Valar were not fully apprised from the beginning about Eru's details."

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"Hmmm. 

Do Eru's projects have characteristic features?"

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"He likes tragedies.

We'd been told he was going to take up reading books like a normal person."

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"We could describe Osirion and our world, and you could help us determine if it sounds right?"

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"I can."

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"This is the Material Plane. It's very big; it encompasses all the stars and all their worlds, in theory, though we don't know if they have the same gods and we know that they don't go to the same afterlives. Most of the planets around this sun have life on them; Golarion, this one, has the most individuals, the most races, and the most civilizations, as far as we know. We have humans and elves and dwarves and halflings and orcs and drow and kobolds and goblins and ratfolk and catfolk and gnolls and various hybrids of most of these races. Osirion is a very old country, with nearly eight thousand years of history, dating all the way back to shortly after Earthfall, when asteroids destroyed the earliest intelligent civilizations on this planet and gave way to new ones."

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"...hm. If it's an Eru project it's a very different one but I can't guarantee unshared authorship based on that. Afterlives sound important, your father mentioned you just wear out and die for no good reason -?"

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"Various reasons are given. We could imagine you might not find any of them good. When people die, they go to Pharasma for judgment, and then to an afterlife that suits the traits they displayed in life. Cruel people get cruel afterlives. Good people get pleasant afterlives. Most people get distinctly mediocre afterlives, though if they're law-abiding they get Axis which is a safe, pleasant and meaningful place. 

In some of the afterlives there's no particular risk of further harm; in some you near-inevitably die. If you die in an afterlife you are, as far as we know, gone."

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"This could absolutely be Eru and I am very put out with him if it is."

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"It has some drawbacks, as an arrangement."

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"There are fifteen Valar with various specializations one of whom, Melkor, is evil but individually stronger than any other single Vala. He terrorized Quendi on Endorë until the Valar noticed that Eru had put us there without warning them about the timing - they were expecting us eventually, just not then - and took Quendi who agreed to settle on Valinor there, and also imprisoned Melkor. Eru would have had everyone believe that Melkor just sort of did all the things that he did on his own unexpectedly but Eru was omniscient, not that this means it would be safe to later parole Melkor as had been the original plan."

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"Around a third of our gods are evil. They and the good ones worked together to prevent the destruction of the universe, and we think the state of the afterlife is something of a compromise between them."

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"...if this is an Eru project I would expect the detente to be unstable, although I wouldn't actually bet heavily against the side of good in the instability, I'd just expect getting to the end to be really rough. However, it's possible that my having appeared here is a good sign for heading off any plot you were due for."

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"It doesn't look unstable on short time scales? I wouldn't bet on another eight thousand years but I'd be pretty surprised if anything changed in my lifetime."

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"I certainly couldn't place the destabilization very precisely in time. I don't know how long it takes your people to die for no good reason?"

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"Around a hundred years."

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"How long are your years?"

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"The translation spell should be mapping to a close concept, for you, though if you've got several planets I don't know which planet's year it'd map to. A year has 380 days. It takes about twenty years for a child to reach maturity. It takes less than a year for a pregnancy to gestate."

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"...about like an Endorë year and you mature about like orcs, then. Oh no."

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"Hmm?"

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"You're just all so young, and dying, and this is an emergency, is there any local way you could potentially contact the Valar so they can help - I was trying to orient myself a bit more but -"

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"There are ways to contact gods, we could check if they work on your gods. You're sure they'd take it well?"

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"Yes, they'll want to help, they'll need to know more but all of them together can be more efficient about it than just me."

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"We will consult Abadar for advice on this."

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"Thank you."

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"That should take about ten minutes."

 

And he leaves.

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"What exactly are you imagining that your gods can do?"

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"...well, since one of your gods is implementing the wearing out and dying thing they'll probably have to start with diplomacy, but if they can get permission to do so they should be able to fix it and if anything is governed by a multi-god balance of power adding fourteen good ones sounds like it would help."

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"Well, obviously I wish them the best of luck. I ...don't want to say you're overreacting, exactly, it is not a very good world for mortals in many ways, but - most people do do all right, to be clear -"

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"Your palace is full of people with swords."

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"Do your rulers...not have guards?"

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"They used to have ceremonial ones but not for decades now. Valian decades. Our years are about ten times yours."

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"I feel like this obliges your rulers to tolerate an awful lot of assassination or else to spend a lot of mental energy on their own security."

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"...no, it doesn't, because people don't try to assassinate them."

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"That sounds awfully unlikely."

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"Orcs and Dwarves have some non-ceremonial security but not like this."

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"What would happen if someone teleported into your ruler's palace at home?"

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"We don't have a translation effect so someone would fetch Fëanáro to figure out how to talk to them, if they didn't speak any languages any of us knew. I suppose if he wasn't available the nearest Maia might do."

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"And you wouldn't worry that he meant to destroy the whole city or summon a demon or trap the ruler's soul in a sword or so-on? What if he did mean to do those things?"

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"Those are not going concerns at home. We do have emergency services, they can get the Valar."

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"Huh. Maybe your gods are more interventionist. Abadar would help us in a war, or if another deity attacked us, or if something on that scale happened, but if the pharaoh got murdered by people who stole his soul so he couldn't be resurrected, Abadar'd just pick the next one, it's not his job to make sure nothing bad ever happens."

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"Some people prefer lower levels of intervention and live farther away from where the Valar are walking down the street all the time but would still get ahold of them if somebody died. - our souls may not be the same as yours, but still."

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"People die too often for the gods to take any particular interest in it. Abadar does take particular interest in the pharaoh, but - he still expects the pharaoh to do the actual work of protecting himself and his country without oversight, it'd be bad incentives if he bailed us out when we were careless."

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"Maybe it would be less work if anyone were staying on top of it. And if you weren't dying for no good reason all the time."

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"Maybe. Don't get me wrong, your gods will be very popular if they raise people all the time."

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"They might not be able to do your species. Dwarves still don't come back if they have an accident because they don't have the same kind of soul as Quendi and orcs, and Aulë, who designed them, hasn't convinced Eru about resurrection yet. - he invented them before they'd learned as much as they know now, it wasn't obvious to him at the time that there was a design flaw in irreversible death, but they still don't just wear out and die even if nothing happens to them."

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"I mean, souls here are supposed to be here temporarily and then get sorted to the afterlives. I think making the afterlives better and more permanent is probably more important."

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"Supposed to by whom?"

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"The local gods. And also lots of people, people work hard to get the afterlife they want."

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"Well, the local gods do not seem universally to know what they are doing and if people want to move somewhere I do not see why they have to die about it."

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Snort. "Fair enough."

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"These days Ulmo lives on Endorë to do re-embodiments there if someone brings him a soul, but if someone manages to die so that their soul is destroyed, the data makes it to Mandos, the Vala of the dead, who can make them a new one. Then they're on Valinor, because that's where Mandos is, but they can still get on a ship and fly home. Orcs are generally shipped home in chip form, Valinor isn't suited to them, but still."

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"Well, if they'll take over doing that here it'd be very convenient. What are their teachings?"

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"...I'm not sure what you mean."

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" - like, what do they tell their followers to do, what kinds of people do they select as their clerics. Abadar teaches that trade is good and that people ought to be responsible as far as possible for their own affairs and that it's important not to steal or present yourself defiantly to authority and that war is wrong and that you ought to work with people despite ideological disagreements as far as they're capable of cooperation. Whereas, say, Shelyn would say that art and music and beauty are important and that you should believe in everyone and love your enemies and so on. They wouldn't necessarily disagree but there are differences in emphasis at minimum, and of course some gods do disagree."

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"They mostly don't go in for that sort of thing more than anyone else does? I could list their opinions but I could just as well list the opinions of random Dwarves I have met. Dwarves teach that trade is good, they're very emphatic about it. Uh, the Valar used to be a bit more opinionated but they were basing much of that on things Eru told them which turned out to have been for stupid Eru reasons, and now they use more consensus-building approaches."

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" - huh."

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"Hm?"

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"I think your gods are working on a different model than ours. It sounds convenient but it makes it seem less likely that they're just the same sort of entity but from farther away."

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"Well, if they're not the same sort then probably Eru didn't make yours."

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"I'm still not clear whether to consider that good news or bad news."

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"It could go either way. It suggests different approaches."

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"Can people in your world become gods?"

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"No. Well, I suppose unless Eru took it into his head. I don't think I'd like it very much, they're a bit psychologically odd and some of it seems necessary to interface with their powers."

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"Like how being pharaoh changes you, but moreso, maybe," he says, nodding.

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"- oh?"

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"The pharaoh is chosen by Abadar and some people say the pharaoh just becomes an aspect of Abadar, as much of him as a magically-enhanced human can be. That's inaccurate. But he did change, quite a lot."

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"How so?"

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"Much more reserved. More patient, less inclined to joke, or ask for reassurance, or explain himself, or ask for help. More lawful, which makes sense. He used to talk to everyone, all the time, I don't think he spent a waking moment alone."

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"Hm. What does 'more lawful' mean in local terms...?"

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" - more inclined to follow a process or to use established principles and procedures for decisionmaking, more respectful of authority and precedent, more concerned with being predictable."

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"Is he your eldest?"

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"Yes."

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"Of seven?" she wonders.

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" - how'd you guess?"

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"Fëanáro has seven. They're called Nelyafinwë Maitimo, Canafinwë Macalaurë, Turkafinwë Tyelcormo, Morifinwë Carnistir, Curufinwë Atarinkë, Pityafinwë Ambarussa, and Telufinwë Ambarussa. Youngest two are a pair of identical twins."

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"Manetho, Masaharta, Telcar, Merenre, Sa-Anar, Ankhu, Apepi."

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"I don't know what this means exactly but it's curious."

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"It is. Hmm - Masaharta loves music, mostly does that - Telcar ran away years ago and we only intermittently know where he is, though he was still alive as of a couple months ago at least, Merenre's a cleric of Abadar and on the Council of Sun and Sky and does a lot of our trade policy, Sa-Anar studies magic and language with me, our youngest aren't yet of age -"

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"Yes, that's all pretty well analogous. Is your wife a sculptor?"

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"Yes! And an architect."

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"How far out does this go - Curufinwë has a son, Maitimo has a boy and a girl -"

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"The pharaoh has no children yet, because he doesn't like any of his women. Masaharta has four so far. Merenre's just married, no children. Telcar might have a dozen scattered all around the world for all I know, he's not supposed to but he's not supposed to have run off either -"

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"Huh. So it's not perfect or at least not always as tidy as your seven all in order."

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"Must not be. - did my father take more wives, in your world -"

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"He has two. It's very irregular, there were special circumstances."

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"It's not very irregular here. Better to give Abadar as many choices as possible, and lots of people prefer it."

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"Huh. Well, Finwë has two, Miriel and Indis, the former being Fëanáro's mother, as of her return to life."

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"Mine wouldn't come back."

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"Ours wouldn't either for a long time."

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- nod. 

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"The pharaoh is returning," the attendant announces.

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She plops into the appropriate position.

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The pharaoh returns. "You can sit comfortably," he tells them. 

"Abadar doesn't know of your world or your gods, which we expected. He says you're of another plane, not another planet."

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She sits up. "That doesn't surprise me."

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"Do you know how to contact your gods from a distant plane?"

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"No. We didn't know of planes as a phenomenon."

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"We have spells that communicate across them, and we can try them, but I'd be unsurprised if they failed to work, given that Abadar didn't know your gods. We've ordered them attempted anyway."

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"Thank you. Do you need anything from me to do that?"

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"Enough information to aim for someone in particular."

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"What sort is useful?"

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"Any of a name they're known by, a place where they'd be and where no others would be, a particularly notable cleric of theirs..."

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"You could try Varda. I can name the others if it's not too costly to retry or might have different results with different targets. Or my husband can contact them if it might be useful to aim for someone more closely connected to me personally since I'm here, I don't know how this works."

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"Contacting your husband would be safer, contacting deities has some risk of overwhelming the caster and causing brain damage. We can try that first, and try the deities if that doesn't work."

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"Ah. They've learned to be less overwhelming over time but perhaps it won't affect this channel. My husband's name is Rúmil."

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"Abadar's quite personable but if you contact him through Contact Other Planes you still run the same risk of backlash. Is the name uniquely identifying?"

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"I believe it is unique as a mononym, but some other Quendi may have it as one of two names and I can't guarantee that given all the orcs and Dwarves there are that none of them have it. Are there other helpful characteristics -?"

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"Family name or anything?"

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"Apart from the Noldo royal family's habit of sticking 'fin' into the name of Finwë's every descendant, that's not a custom of Quendi. I can give his parents' names? I'm also confident my full name is unique if that helps."

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"Parents' names should work."

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She provides her in-laws' names.

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He says something to an attendant. 

"We'll keep you informed on their progress."

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"Thank you."

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"In the meantime perhaps you can tell us more about your world. What's it like?"

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"Some of this I've already been over with your father - it was created by an entity called Eru, who at the time was omnipotent and omniscient. He made the Valar and their lesser cousins the Maiar, assigned them tasks, and proceeded to do very little while they did astroengineering and terraforming projects over millions of years. One of the Valar, Melkor, is evil, and noticed before the rest that there were Quendi that Eru had placed on Endorë, the planet where I was born. He did assorted evil things, the details of which I do not know to be of interest apart from that there thus resulted the orc species. Another Vala, Oromë, visited Endorë for approximately recreational purposes and encountered Elves, some of whom agreed to visit Valinor, the planet where I live now. They confirmed for the rest of us that it was nice and some of us moved there, while others stayed behind; the Valar fought Melkor and tried and imprisoned him and everyone else got on with our lives. The Vala Aulë invented and implemented the Dwarf species, on Endorë, and Eru agreed to wake them up. It eventually became clear that Eru was not as he'd presented himself an omnibenevolent deity with very good reasons for having permitted Melkor and made various other peculiar decisions but was instead using all the people in the universe as toys to act out dramas of his omniscient devising with more verisimilitude than fiction. We were annoyed. He agreed to carve out bits of his powerset and stop steering in that way and everything's been pretty lovely since. I'm eliding a lot of detail, I'm not sure exactly what will be most immediately relevant."

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He blinks at her like he's trying to put something together. Shakes his head, very slightly. 

"What about this place stands out - aside from the swords?"

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"...different architectural standards for palaces. Magic that incarnates can do, as opposed to just Ainur. Various minor cultural assumptions but I can't guarantee some of them aren't artifacts of the translation effect. The species you all are, of course. And a peculiar and inexplicable mapping between your family and the Noldo royal family in vague name similarities and approximate personality - I noticed your father first but it sounds like it doesn't stop there."

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"- we'd love to hear more about the Noldo royal family."

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"The king is called Finwë; he's been the king of the Noldor on Valinor since convincing us to move there from Endorë - there are also two other Quendi tribes living on the planet with their own kings. I'm a friend of the family; my husband is one of Finwë's advisors. Finwë has two wives, Miriel, Fëanáro's mother, and Indis, sister to the Vanya king Ingwë, whose children are called Findis, Nolofinwë, Irimë, and Arafinwë. Fëanáro has seven -" she lists those too - "and two grandchildren Notellë and Aratarya from Maitimo and his husband Findekáno, and a grandson Tyelperinquar from Curufinwë and his wife -" She can go on elaborating on family trees as long as the pharaoh seems interested, though she's watching for reactions all around to "his husband".

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He seems fascinated. He seems utterly unsurprised by 'his husband', as does his father and the attendants. "Who are the children by?"

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"A Maia friend of theirs named Ardilorë carried them but didn't contribute to the children's - does 'genetics' translate? The phenomenon that makes family members resemble each other. There's a Maia who's managed to do a sufficiently high-fidelity body to actually reproduce but Ardilorë isn't she."

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"- so the children are related by blood to his husband?"

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"Yes. Ardilorë brags about it insufferably, he says it was very difficult."

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"I bet!" Regretful sigh. "We don't have that here. Nor do I have any wives who'd be delighted to do it, I don't expect."

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"Well, maybe you'll be able to borrow Ardilorë, depending on the results of the contact attempt."

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"That'd be - we'd have to ask Abadar. But perhaps. Thank you."

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"You're welcome."

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"Your acquaintance with him is the reason you've been giving the names, while you speak?"

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"Yes. Was I right?"

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"Yes. I was confused who'd have given that advice and not various - other advice which might be inapplicable due to cultural differences or something."

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"- hm?"

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"The kneeling. You're thinking of it oddly. And possibly something about how people are dressed? - we're not offended, but it was an odd combination with knowing things about me that most people don't know."

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"It's... been a long time since anyone I interacted with was particularly choosy about being knelt to. I haven't been paying very much attention to anyone's clothes... probably you're picking up on my trying not to look at people's hair, actually."

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"Oh?"

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"Please don't worry about it on my account, Dwarves and orcs don't have the same hangups about it either and I'm capable of pattern recognition which indicates my species is the odd one out, but we do not cut it short and we do not wear it loose in front of people we are not married to."

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Nod. "That's probably it. If you happen to be stuck here for a while your servants can cover theirs."

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"That would be kind of them."

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"Is there anything else you will need, if you're staying here a while?"

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"I sleep every two or three days, I eat - I don't know whether to expect everything you eat here to be safe for me but I can test little bits to check anything I don't recognize. If some of your guest rooms are not at least as pretty as what I've seen so far I need one of the prettier ones or a decorating budget. Or both."

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" - you do," he says, a little wonderingly. "We haven't met peoples who need things to be pretty before."

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"I could just go around with my eyes closed constantly singing but I believe this would be inconvenient. I have one of the higher tolerances for ugliness as we go, by which I mean I can spend an entire day in an orc city at a stretch and don't need to make adjustments to my soul that causes the orcs not to look like orcs to do it."

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"Most people have to?"

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"No, most people in Arda are orcs. Most Quendi need the soul adjustment or smaller doses or wouldn't attempt tourism in orc countries in the first place."

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Nod. "Humans don't need things to be pretty in order to survive. Just food, water, ideally interaction with others occasionally, and physical touch when we're very young."

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"I've never actually heard of anyone dying of ugliness and I'm sure Melkor has done the experiment but it's distracting and unpleasant."

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"Melkor's your imprisoned evil god? He sounds like he'd fit right in in Hell."

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"Perhaps he would."

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"You must have some questions about how things work here."

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"I'm very curious about the magic here, what it can do and how it's learned."

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"There are two main kinds. Arcane magic is innate, or learned through study; divine magic is granted by the gods. Abadar empowers the pharaoh with divine magic. It can do - quite a lot of things, it might be easier to get you a book and a spell that'd let you read it. We mostly use ours to speak to Abadar, observe our people, assist our advisors, and raise the dead."

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"I'd be delighted about a book. Observing your people takes magic?"

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"Well, if I go out into the streets then I mostly see them kneeling. If I use a spell I can just watch them about their business."

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"Ah."

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"I didn't choose it."

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"Who did?"

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"For a long time, Osirion was ruled by foreign countries, and not very well; countries never care as much for the flourishing of their colonies as for their own people, and don't understand them as well, and don't have as much to gain by strengthening them. In my grandfather's day we became independent, and we returned to many of the traditions that remained from the last time Osirion was free, enabled by Abadar's assistance in selecting a pharaoh and ensuring a stable succession. - in most countries the succession is a major problem, and causes many wars. The pharaoh is, in the faith of Abadar, a holy symbol, an emblem of the god's presence in our country and in our lives. The pharaoh is sacred to people."

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"Hm. I'm not sure I have the context for all of that to make complete sense to me with only a paragraph to go on, but I'm glad it's working for you."

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Someone walks in, says something to him quietly.

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"They were unable to reach your husband. We'll try the gods next; sometimes it's easier for more powerful entities to hear one."

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"- if it would be safer for the caster to try a Maia, I can identify some."

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"Slightly safer, yes."

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"Their herald is called Eönwë."

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He nods to the attendant, who leaves.

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"Can magic fix whatever it is they're risking - I think the upside potential is worth it but -"

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"No. But they'll recover in time - not more than a month - and we'll compensate them for the inconvenience."

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"All right."

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"There's no real - danger - in your world?"

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"Not any more. Well, except for Dwarves, we still don't know how to get those back if they have accidents. I'm old enough to remember when there was, though."

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"Even if we had very cooperative gods it's hard to imagine there wouldn't be danger. I guess perhaps none of it could be irrevocable."

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"There's a crime rate on Endorë but that means you have to lock up your bicycle or someone might steal it, not that people in their own homes go around armed all the time."

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"Most people do not go around armed all the time in their own homes. Or elsewhere, really. The palace is both a home and a major seat of government so it's a little unusual."

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"All right, that was unfair of me. Still, it was striking compared to what I'd expect if I teleported into an orcish hall of parliament."

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"I regret that we startled you. You're not in danger here. - I guess you might be, compared to your homeland. You are in awfully little danger here."

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"If I die you can get my soul out of the back of my neck," she gestures, "and hang onto it in case my people ever find me; Mandos may not be getting updates so the physical copy is important."

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"Huh. Will we interfere with your world's system if we try to raise you?"

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"If Mandos isn't getting updates, then no. I don't expect Rúmil to decide there's no realistic chance of getting me back and have me forked from when I left for a thousand years. If Mandos is getting updates, then - maybe? Depending on some details of how your system works. But nothing worse than there being two of me would happen and while I haven't chosen to do that on purpose I expect we'd manage."

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"Do some people choose to have two of them?"

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"Yes, and we're expecting it to get more popular once we have faster than light travel and can settle lots of planets according to interesting experimental schemes and people don't want to have to pick."

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"We have instantaneous interplanetary travel."

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"Which is very exciting but I still think contact with this world will delay recreational colony experiments for a long while compared to how long it was likely to take Fëanáro to crack the problem. You have a lot of things you could probably use help with here."

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"I guess we do. Other places more than Osirion, I think."

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"I was mostly thinking about the bad afterlives."

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"Those are very bad. A lot of places for the living are also quite bad, but more temporary."

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"Which we'd also want to look into. Or just me, I suppose, if they can't get ahold of anyone from home."

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"What sorts of things will you do if they can't get ahold of anyone from your home?"

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"Well, I suppose I'll see how long I can avail myself of your hospitality, learn the language, read a lot of books, and see what improvements I'm positioned to make alone."

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- nod. "They should have an answer for us in a minute or two."

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Nod.

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The person who comes back in a minute later does not look like they've just encountered a dozen new good gods and solved most of the problems in the world. They talk with the pharaoh quietly for a moment.

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"No luck. I'm sorry."

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She nods again.

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"Why don't I set you up with a room here and some people who can get you oriented, and we can speak again once you have more of a sense of what your priorities are here. We can research whether there's any other way to contact your family."

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"All right. Thank you."

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"- augh!" says a spontaneously appearing young adult human.

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The guards object just as strongly! More strongly, even, maybe!

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"Hold Person. - you know this one?" he asks Mirelótë.

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"I've never seen him before, we don't have the species at home."

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He can't shed any light on this situation at the moment.

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The guards take hold of him.

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"We'd like him back here quickly," he tells them. "It's hard to imagine this is happening for no reason."

And to Cor, "you've teleported into the palace of the pharaoh of Osirion, which was thought to be impossible until quite recently. My security will ask you a few questions and then we'll introduce ourselves properly."

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Security drags him out. 

 

The pharaoh frowns. "Do you still want to get a room and get situated, or would you prefer to stay here and meet our new guest?"

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"I'm more curious than tired at this time."

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"All right. We'll have someone bring in refreshments."

 

He sits down.

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The newcomer is very unhappy.

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So are these guards.

They want to know his name and whether he has magic and where he's from and how he got here and whether he means anyone in the palace any harm and whether he means to spy for any foreign countries and what he thinks of the pharaoh and whether he understands that local law is very strict about magic in the pharaoh's presence and some questions that nearly duplicate these ones.

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"Corbelan. Yeah I do. None of your business. Some kind of portal Maia or something. Reserving judgment on that. No. Seems kind of trigger happy. Kind of implied by how you phrased the question."

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Well. 

What species is he. Does he rely on his magic to live or succeed at basic tasks such as eating and cleaning himself. 

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"Human. No."

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Fine. They're putting him in an antimagic prison for now. Anything that he would like conveyed to anybody on this plane or in reach of it?

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"If my friends come looking for me what are you gonna do about it?"

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"That depends on whether they break any laws or intend to hurt anyone here or cooperate with local authorities."

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"They'd just want to figure out why I haven't come back."

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"Then we will explain where you are and release you to them, if they promise to leave or follow the law while they're here."

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"You could just let me leave, too, if you weren't putting me in antimagic prison."

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"We might do that once we know more about how you surpassed the protections on the palace."

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"I didn't do that, some kind of Maia that looked like a snake did it."

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"Sure. Once we know more about how it happened, or you make up your mind about whether you intend to hurt any of the people we protect."

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"I'd be way more confident on that point if you hadn't immediately attacked me."

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"Were you injured?"

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"Not physically."

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Then they'll escort him to the antimagic prison.

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He doesn't make a fuss about it.

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" - unfortunately it sounds like we won't be able to meet the other mysterious guest," he tells Mirelótë. "At least not any time soon. He told our security that he hasn't decided whether he intends to attack anyone in the palace, and people who feel that way are not allowed in the palace."

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"Oh. Where is he?"

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"In prison near here. We'll send someone to talk to him and try to figure out what's going on."

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"You put him in prison?"

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"Yes."

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"Are humans okay like that?"

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"...I mean they need food and water and conversation and a way to productively employ themselves if it's going to be a long-term thing but for a short term one, yes, they are."

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"I will have to take your word for it."

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"We can have him released onto the streets of Sothis if we want to but we can't bring him here."

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"Because you think he's dangerous?"

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"I think he probably isn't. But the law is that palace security doesn't go off my personal judgments, it goes off whether they are willing to affirm some facts about their intent."

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"Did he say anything about why?"

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"Said he might be more sure he didn't intend to hurt us if we hadn't attacked him. Which is fair, but means we can't meet him."

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"The situation is... awkward in its asymmetry."

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"I guess it must seem that way. I wouldn't expect anyone from my plane to parse it that way. Law enforcement arresting you is not doing the same sort of thing as you are if you attack them. And teleporting into someone's home, even accidentally, is the sort of situation you had better be willing to resolve with a lot of reassurances about your intent."

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"If you'd decided to throw me in prison over some initial confusion I would have died."

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"We do ask first. What species someone is, and if it's a familiar species whether they need their magic either to live or to care for themself. If we didn't know the species we'd ask you what was safe."

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She nods. "Do you suppose I should talk to him?"

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"Do you want to? We'll send someone, and you might be advantaged by not working for the people he's annoyed with."

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"Maybe it'll be easily cleared up but supposing it's not I'm happy to try."

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"Thank you. And perhaps we can think of something more reassuring to do for the next person, if there's another one."

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"How'd you choose what magic to try, it was different between me and him."

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"The spell we tried on you was much more dangerous. If you'd been unlucky it might've killed you and if you'd been an enemy it would hopefully have made you unable to fight the guards. Nothing like this had ever happened before so I was reacting to it as an extraordinary threat. When he arrived we had some reason to think it was another random accident, so we used a spell that couldn't possibly have hurt him but that would've been a worse choice if it was an attempted assassination."

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"What are your other options like?"

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"We could get an arcane caster in here to put people to sleep. We could use spells like Dictum which will kill nonlawful people. We could get someone in here who can use nonlethal force rays. We could...turn them into toads, which I'd expect to be far more threatening than Hold Person but which I mention for the sake of completeness."

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"Well. Given your options the thing you did makes sense but if another Quendi shows up maybe prefer sleep to the immobilization thing."

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Nod. 

An attendant leaves, presumably to implement this.

"Are all Quendi going to be lawful good, they sort of sound it."

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"I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that."

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"The alignment system that sorts us into afterlives also characterizes people who are still alive. You parse to it as lawful good, which is imperfectly reassuring but somewhat reassuring about your intentions and motives and so on. You describe a whole species of people who worship good gods and never break laws, which sounds like maybe they are all lawful good like you. If they were, then it'd be entirely safe to use spells that only harm lawless or evil people on them."

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"Well, we do vary and I don't know how picky it is, but perhaps."

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"Not as a first resort, at least."

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"Are all the people who seem to have Quendi versions here the same alignment? That might be a usable clue."

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"Not all, no. Most of us are lawful neutral - Abadar's alignment - but my father is occasionally true neutral - that is, not lawful - and my brother Telcar was last I saw him chaotic good."

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"Well, Tyelcormo lives on Endorë tromping around the wilderness rather than traditionally participating in society but I wouldn't expect him to steal a bicycle. ...I guess unless he really needed a bicycle? I could imagine him doing less due diligence than most Quendi about trying to legitimately borrow a bicycle."

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This almost makes him smile. "I wouldn't expect Telcar to steal a bicycle either. I know him to have stolen some slaves, though."

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" - and given them some money and let them go."

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"Oh, I wasn't making that face about his behavior. Where is he finding them?"

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"From slavers, whose caravans can be found on most of the major roads and in boats, or from individual slaveowners. There's also a slave market but we couldn't tolerate him stealing from there and he knows it."

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"I'd like to go settle into my guest room now."

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He gestures for someone to take her there.

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She settles into her guest room and pulls her little note-taking device out of her pocket and she sings.

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And someone brings the prisoner food and water and asks how he's doing.

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"Sitting in a prison cell, and yourself?"

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"Two people teleported into a facility we had assumed was impossible to teleport into today, so I'm going to miss my daughter's wedding. This is all safe for humans; I'm allowed to taste it if you want me to do that; if you have religious, personal or medical dietary restrictions we accommodate those."

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"I don't."

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"Well, here you go."

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He kind of picks at it.

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"Any questions I can answer for you?"

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"Anybody shown up looking for me yet?"

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"No."

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"I would like to go home. I can tell them whatever you want me to tell them about your stringent behavioral standards for teleporting visitors, might be useful."

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"Would you be willing to stay a few more hours? We are trying to figure out how this happened and whether it's going to keep happening."

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"If you care a whole lot about whether I'm willing I feel like perhaps you would have done something other than stick me in an antimagic jail cell."

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"I'll ask about getting you sent home. It'll probably be fifteen or twenty minutes."

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"Thanks."

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He comes back fifteen minutes later. "Can you leave under your own power, or do you need a spell from us?"

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"I can do it. Need some fine ash or soot and about a pint of reasonably fresh mammal blood. And presumably not to be in an antimagic cell, if it works on my kind of magic."

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"All right." He leaves again.

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Cor gets through about half his food but does not have much appetite.

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And then people will escort him to a different cell and ask him under magic whether he's going to do anything other than go home with the soot and blood and so on.

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"No."

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Great. Then he can have it.

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He gets out of his shirt and starts drawing on himself with it. "If this isn't mammal blood then trying this will kill me, so you're aware," he remarks.

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"Do you want someone on hand with Raise Dead?"

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"Don't know what that is apart from probably what it sounds like."

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"If you die of your spell they would bring you back to life."

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"That sounds useful but it working and me dying will both look like me vanishing."

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"Ah. - gods keep you, then, I guess. You read chaotic good, when we checked."

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"I don't know what that means either."

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" - it means that if you die you'll get a nice afterlife. I don't mean - there's nothing wrong with the blood, but most people find that information reassuring."

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"Uh-huh."

Paint paint paint.

"People find the sort of chanting my magic system requires very ominous, fair warning."

And he chants. It's very ominous.

- and absolutely nothing happens.

"- what the fuck."

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This guy looks very tired. "We didn't do anything."

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"Sure you didn't. It's not chicken blood, that would in fact have killed me, but maybe it's more of your anti-magic."

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"We just questioned you under the truth spell."

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"Then why isn't my spell working?"

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"I've never seen that kind of magic before! I have no idea why it wouldn't work or for that matter why it would work."

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"Well, you can fucking try asking me if I'm going to hurt anyone again, I guess, because I'm not really equipped to do it with my bare hands!" He sounds angry; he looks scared.

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"- hey, hey, it's okay. You're in Osirion, it's not a bad place to be stuck until you can afford a plane shift, you haven't broken any laws except the one, by accident."

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"Do you have - enemies looking for you or something?"

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"I think they were going to leave me alone assuming the snake wasn't a targeted present for me."

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"Okay. Well. If you want to do the security questions again, we can do that."

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"Uh-huh."

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So they ask him the security questions again.

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He has no plans to harm anyone. He isn't thrilled about that but it's true.

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Great. Then they'll bring him back to the pharaoh. Here's the etiquette for meeting the pharaoh.

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"You've got to be kidding me."

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"Is there a problem?"

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"There are so very, very many, but this one's merely stupid. Fine. Face on the floor. Maybe I should be less covered in soot and blood first."

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"Yes, we'll get you a bath and a change of clothes."

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"Uh-huh." He will not assume until they try it that they mean to supervise the process.

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Well usually they would help but if he's going to be this distressed about it then they could just have one guard standing out of the way?

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"I want a closed! door!"

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There is some consultation.

 

The guard leaves.

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Cor takes his bath very fast and assesses his change of clothes.

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All very fancy.

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Fanciness isn't especially objectionable. He gets into the clothes and comes out.

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Oh joy. Face on the fucking floor.

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" - you can sit comfortably. Do you need anything?"

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"I already tried going home. It did not work. I wonder why."

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"Conceivably because whatever power sent you here wanted you here. We weren't able to contact the other unexpected guest's home, either."

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"The Elf?"

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"She called herself a Quendi."

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"Same thing."

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"Yes. Her. She wanted us to contact her gods. She thought they might end death. We weren't able to reach them, or anyone on her plane."

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"Very optimistic of her."

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"She seemed to know the gods personally. - she also said that her worlds didn't have humans."

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"Oh."

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"Does it have some humans she didn't know about."

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"Maybe they don't tell the ones in Valinor about humans? I'm not from there, but there were humans native."

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"Huh. Perhaps when she's had a break we can compare notes."

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"Sure. Why not."

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"You could instead leave and go live in Sothis with or without a way for us to contact you if we solve the mystery. If that's what you'd like to do."

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"Don't speak the language, can't do any magic for reasons I'm sure you're going to claim you know nothing about and didn't pick up very many other marketable skills."

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"I swear to you by Abadar who guides Osirion that no one acting on my orders brought you here or interfered with your ability to return home."

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"Good for you."

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"I'd really like to figure out what did, but I'm guessing it's something on your end. Both of you described a snake thing."

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"Maiar can look like whatever. Didn't know they could do this though."

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"Lots of things can do a touch-range Plane Shift to an unwilling target. I could do it. It's weirder that we can't send you back or contact that world, but some worlds are hard to scry on or contact."

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"I don't know why you expect me to have context on this. Or are you just thinking out loud?"

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"I have no idea what context you might or might not have. Mirelótë also thought that in her world only the gods could do magic. The Maiar and Valar."

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"...that isn't true, Elves can make artifacts and do singing magic."

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"Huh."

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Cor wonders if he should've said that. Maybe the Elf is lying for a good reason. Maybe he's gotten her in trouble. He shuts up.

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"Are you going to want to talk with her before we get into this more?"

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"Does she want to talk to me?"

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"She expressed some interest but then she learned that this place has slavery and decided to withdraw to her rooms and - well, sing about things for a while. I was going to say 'reflect' but if you have met Quendi probably you can interpret them better than I can."

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"Might be reflecting. They sing a lot. Anybody ever told you slavery is bad, just tossing that out there."

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"Beautiful voice. I would liked to have gotten any clarifications in but I imagine it's a lot to take in from - from the world that she described starting out in.

Slavery is pretty bad. Most punishments for serious crimes are pretty bad, though."

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"Valinor sounds great if you don't mind the mind control."

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"What do you know, she didn't mention the mind control. Mind control is illegal here without an advance agreement with witnesses."

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"Cool."

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"'mind control' explains a lot about Valinor as described, actually." Sigh. "It sounded very nice. No crimes and no need for security and no one ever dies."

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Shrug.

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"Do you have any questions for us."

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"Why doesn't my magic work."

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"If I go around swearing to things falsely I lose my afterlife and my powers, you know."

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"Congratulations. People can get real cute with exact words."

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"You pick a phrasing, then."

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"I don't even know why we appear to be speaking the same language."

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"I have a spell called Tongues that permanently gives me the ability to understand, and be understood by, anybody. Someone also cast it on you for the interrogation, probably, but yours will last about an hour."

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"Well. The obvious loophole is that there could just be some thing already around fucking with my magic that you're taking advantage of. Nobody acting on your orders, just something that was already here when you showed up."

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"They would, I assume, have moved you outside the dome to try to go home?"

 

He asks this of someone. 

"That's the only plausible candidate."

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"Plus, like, the other obvious loophole of you just wholesale bullshitting me. Elves do binding oaths, but you're not an Elf."

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"But they have lawful gods - I guess they don't have any clerics." Shrug. "I can't persuade you. Do you want a guest room in the palace or enough spending money for a year?"

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"Still don't speak the language. The Elves just all learned mine starting with this one ridiculous language genius guy on top of being telepathic, but if you've got humans instead I'm going to probably have some kind of issue and it'd be very embarrassing to come crawling back."

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"We've got mostly humans and no Quendi at all. We'll make arrangements for you here."

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"Thanks."

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He twitches his hands. An attendant shows up to arrange this.

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"If my friends show up on purpose looking for me they'll be the ones with blood and ashes doodled all over themselves and I'd rather you didn't terrify them."

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"I would also rather not terrify them! We have made arrangements to have sleep spells on hand in addition to the paralysis, will that be any better?"

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"Seems like a matter of personal taste."

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"There are people in my guard who have died three times in defense of my life. I would rather scare someone than make it four. But I'd rather not scare anyone, if you have suggestions about how."

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"My magic doesn't work here, so assuming for the sake of argument you are very puzzled about why that could be, you might still assume it's true in the general case. No one is going to show up covered in blood and soot who has also bothered to pack a crossbow."

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"Is the blood and soot magic the only kind in your world? It's not, I take it, the only kind in Arda."

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"Only kind in my world, I have indeed already said it's not the only kind in Arda. Singing and artifacts are better at lots of things but they are definitely not better at killing people."

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"All right. We'll do our best not to scare them, if they arrive."

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"Thanks."

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And someone can take him to a nice guest room (not Elf-nice).

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He parks there. Asks for paper and charcoal to write with.

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Sure.

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He remembers before he's written much that he won't be able to set it on fire, given the givens. He adjusts to be more inscrutable instead.

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Mirelótë concludes her aria, tucks her notetaking device back into her pocket, and steps out and says she's feeling better if the pharaoh or anyone else feels there's more to cover.

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She can be brought to him. 

"You can sit comfortably. We regret having distressed you."

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"I'm sure you didn't set out to do so."

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"No. Did you have questions?"

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"Why does your country have slavery?"

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"For debt and for serious crimes. If we ban it for debt people can't take out loans even when they think it's worth it, and this might be useful but it has some substantial downsides. If we ban it for serious crimes I have no idea what we'd do with them instead."

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"Okay. I think my priority is to learn your language and then translate some Dwarf books I've read for you, it seems likely their strategies are the most applicable here. If there's nothing else more pressing I'd like to meet with your father again about that, I can teach him the Dwarf languages in the process."

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"I'm sure he'll be delighted."

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"I don't doubt it. If Sa-Anar - and Merenre, maybe, Dwarves solve this sort of thing with insurance - want to sit in for some or all of it they're welcome too."

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"We solve a lot of things with insurance but I would be fascinated to see how to solve violent crime that way."

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"The books shouldn't take me too long if I'm aiming for speed."

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And another person appears in the room, standing between them. 

The guards rush towards her; she seems to barely notice this, all of her attention elsewhere. 

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Then she falls asleep. 

 

"Well. I was going to say that I'll pray for you and your work."

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"This is getting to be a bit much!" Mirelótë exclaims.

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"It started out as a bit much!"

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"I'll grant you that but if it keeps up at this rate you're going to run out of guest rooms! What did turn out to be the other one's story, anyway -"

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"He says he's also visited Arda but had a worse time. You two should probably, at some point, talk."

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"All right. Should I do that before I get to work on the translation?"

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"I'm unclear on whether - you've seen a problem exactly like this and think we can dramatically improve peoples' outcomes if we just knew about it, or if it's less promising than that."

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"It might be that Dwarves are also just inherently more law-abiding or better able to interact with complicated systems or something than humans and copying them won't help with... whatever issues you are attempting to address with slavery. I think the process of translating the book would be a more systematic way to shed light on that and any other adjacent issues than just guessing."

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Nod. "For what it's worth, slaves get the decent afterlives at the same rate as everyone else if they're not mistreated, and mistreating them is illegal, or I'd be treating it as much more of an urgent priority."

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"It does seem likely that afterlife sorting as a priority has some policy implications and this could be one of them somehow. The book won't have anything to say about that."

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"It's certainly our top priority but we'd still be interested in how other societies do things."

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"Hopefully I can help." She sighs. "You didn't answer my question?"

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" - maybe you should talk first."

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"Where should I find him, and will the spell last long enough?"

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"We can get it cast for you again."

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"Thank you."

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"Our pleasure. - my impression is that he had a very bad time in Arda. So just - keep that in mind."

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"Oh no, what happened?"

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"He attributed Valinor's peace and happiness to mind control and - beyond that, I can't really point to anything specific - he just seemed like he expected everyone to be manipulating him -"

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"Mind control? Oh dear. That's - I suppose it's not the most reassuring thing I could say if I tell you they stopped, is it, but they have, and I don't think it could conceivably have accounted for all the peace and happiness, most of that is just our natural dispositions, which I suppose you could call mind control by Eru if you want to equate alterations after the fact and initial design?"

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"Maybe he visited before they stopped."

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"He's a human, though, they haven't done anything like that in much longer than he could have been alive unless he's some sort of human who ages much more slowly than your kind."

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"Well, if he were I don't think he'd have mentioned it."

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"Maybe I'll ask about it. Unless he finds me distressing too."

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Nod. "We'll have someone take you to where he's staying."

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"Thank you."

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He does this.

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"Hello. I'm Mirelótë Ambela. I was also transported here by some kind of snake creature."

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"...hi, Mirelótë, I'm Cor. Same kind of snake creature?"

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"I don't know but it's suggestive, isn't it - mine had a mirror for a face, and it was black, and -"

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"Did... you not see mine?"

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"...no, of course not, it didn't come here with you."

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"No, I mean, I tried to osanwë you it -"

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"How do you mean you tried to osanwë me it? I'm an Elf, not an Ainu, and you don't have a chip -"

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"...a what now?"

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"That's what our osanwë runs on, it's not magic like Maia or Vala osanwë. I can talk to other Elves, or orcs, but not you."

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"The pharaoh mentioned a couple other things that sounded inconsistent, too."

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"Yeah?"

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"I live on Valinor myself. And the Valar have made mental edits to dead people in the past, with their leave but frankly indefensibly blinkered definitions of 'leave', but they've learned more since then and stopped. My Arda's never had humans, either, and I'm very confident I'd know, unless I suppose they appeared since I arrived here."

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"Just to dead people, you say."

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"Living people had to actively request it."

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"With again not very comprehensive standards of consent, since people will sometimes ask for things just because their parents are scandalized, but it wasn't a reign of terror."

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"How's the war with Melkor going?"

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"...it's not, he's been in prison for hundreds of Years."

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"No? No parole and subsequent assassinations and campaign of bloody warfare?"

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"No! He's in prison! I visited him to interview him for a book six Years ago!"

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"Okay."

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"I'm sorry you didn't like your Arda, it sounds much less pleasant."

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"Oh, it was nice for a while. Friendly singy Elves showering me with magical presents and catering to my every need so I'd be freed up to kill their evil god for them, very gratifying."

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"Magical presents?"

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"You don't have those either?"

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"No!"

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"Magic songs?"

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"Not those either, we just sing for fun."

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"Huh."

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"I've never heard of this planet."

       "Which planets have you heard of?"

" - do you want them biggest to smallest, or nearest to farthest, or alphabetically, or..."

       " - why does it matter?"

"Because there's six thousand."

      " - and you haven't heard of Golarion."

"No."

      "Maybe under a different name?"

"I think the magic would have been notable."

      "Do you intend any harm to anyone in the palace?"

"I have difficulty predicting the circumstances under which my empire might find itself at war with - Golarion."

      " - you gotta give us a yes or a no, to that one."

"Not today."

     " - I don't know if that's good enough."

"What will you do if it's not?" she says, amused.

      "Not bring you to the pharaoh."

"Does the truth spell apply to you too?"

      "Yes. - guess I could be lying about that -"

"You're not, though."

       "Could you say 'not this week', at least -"

"Not with this body."

       "I don't know if that's good enough, either."

"You could bring me before your pharaoh in chains."

      "We don't do that. If you can't be trusted to comport yourself appropriately you can't meet him."

"Seems limiting."

      "- yes, it's meant to be."

"For your pharaoh, I mean."

      "Can you please say something more specific -"

"I have no grievance with anyone in Golarion. I don't know where Golarion is. I do not know my country to be at war with Golarion. If we were at war with Golarion, I expect I would not personally commit any violence. Until then, I will not harm anyone in Golarion. I also do not presently particularly possess the means to harm anyone in Golarion except maybe very small children."

     "The country's called Osirion."

"Well, I'm not going to start a war with the country."

   

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Eventually they finish questioning the new person and bring her in. 

She doesn't bow. 

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He holds up his hand to stop a guard from casting a spell on her. "Are you making a political point here or just looking for a magic demonstration?"

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"I guess you could conceive of me as making a political point but I was mostly expecting it to be lost on you."

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"Perhaps, as I am very dense, you'll have to say it."

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"Your gods don't sound very frightening, your kings even less so, no one here is my equal, the magic's kind of neat and it'd take a thousand times as much of it to make me bow to you in any meaningful sense, not that this is one."

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"I feel like my visitors are getting steadily less agreeable and that gives me some concerns about whoever's next."

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"This happens to you a lot?"

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"Yesterday, I would've told you it was impossible."

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"That sounds distressing."

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"Mostly I feel curious. - something to eat?"

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"Are you not going to show me the kneeling magic, I was curious myself."

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"Command Fall," he says. 

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"Some light refreshments," he says to an attendant. "And invite the other guests back, too, so we can all unravel this mystery together."

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The other guests reappear together when requested. "Different Ardas," Mirelótë says.

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"It does seem that way. Who's this?" Cor asks.

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"This is Anaander Maitimo, one of the many millions of bodies of the hive-mind consciousness space empress who rules over an empire of thousands of worlds called the Radch. Or so she tells us."

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"Well, that's... different."

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"Anaander what now?"

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"Anaander Maitimo," he said. " - means something to you?"

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He glances at Anaander. "Probably a coincidence."

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"A coincidence with whom?"

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"Does it matter?"

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"It could."

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"These are the less disagreeable visitors?"

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"Not disagreeable, moderately disagreeable," he says, pointing at Mirelótë and then at Cor. "I'm - disinclined to be attributing anything to coincidence at this point," he adds to Cor.

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"Name collision with my ex, does it matter?"

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"Anaander have you heard of an Arda."

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"No."

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"Endorë."

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"No."

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"Valinor."

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"No."

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"Met a Quendi?"

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" - some genetically enhanced humans look rather like that."

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"Genetically enhanced?"

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"Ah, planet hasn't invented genetics?"

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"- I don't know about genetic enhancement but I can imagine why someone would want it if they... were a human... no offense."

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- nod.

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"You dated someone called Maitimo?" she asks Cor.

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"It went badly. I slightly assassinated him and moved to another continent."

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"Slightly assassinated?"

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"Oh, he's alive and functional and stuff. It's complicated. Does it matter."

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"Well, here we are ripped away from our pleasant lives, and I'm named Maitimo and she knows someone named Maitimo and you slightly assassinated someone named Maitimo, I think that might matter."

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"I don't know anyone named Maitimo. It's not an Osirian name."

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"You know one too?" Cor asks Mirelótë.

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"Yes..."

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"I assume your ex didn't look like her?" he asks Cor.

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"Not particularly, that's why I said it was probably a coincidence! He's an Elf. Redhead. Male. Light-skinned."

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"Zero for four."

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"This isn't funny."

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"Well, I guess we had all better listen to the fellow with the servants and the - do they actually kill things with the swords or are they ceremonial -"

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"She reads neutral evil," he tells Cor and Mirelótë.

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"Delightful."

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"How informative is that, exactly -"

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"- moderately? Someone who has done nothing of note in their life except leave their baby they couldn't feed to die will read neutral evil but not be a particular menace to anyone who isn't a baby. For a space empress I'd expect it to be pretty predictive but she also might've beaten the truth spell and be lying about being a space empress."

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"It tracks your whole life, or just recent events?"

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"Whole life."

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"About a thousand years ago I killed a lot of people. That'd do it?"

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"How many?"

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"Twenty-five billion."

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"Dear god."

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"Why did you do that?"

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"Twenty-five billion?"

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"I can think of a good reason. I can only think of one and doubt it enormously but I can think of one."

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"There wasn't a good reason. I just lost my temper."

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"Well, I hope you're right to trust your palatial security, here."

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"I have confidence she's powerless, in this body. It's just that there are several million of the bodies, directing operations across the empire. She says she's cut off from the rest of them. Travelled too far."

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"You can kill this one, if you like. There's an afterlife where evil souls are punished, it sounds kind of interesting."

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"We will kill you if that seems indicated by the strategic situation. Liking doesn't really enter into it. What do you mean you - lost your temper -"

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"I still had some friends, back then. Not humans, humans die like flies. Ships, which live like we do. The people of that star system waged war on us, killed my friends. I was angry. I ordered it sterilized."

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"You have living spaceships?"

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"Yes. They're computers but computers can be people. More people than humans, even."

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"I know, I'm arguably a computer. Why weren't your friends backed up?"

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"There's no good way to do it for the kind of minds they are."

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"Twenty five billion - that's two dozen times the prewar population of my planet -"

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"I get the sense none of you except Mirelótë here are from a society that's invented computing? Well, with it come a lot of inventions that make it easier for planets to have lots more people, and then there are moons that get colonized, and other planets in the same system, and space stations."

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"Faster than light travel?" wonders Mirelótë.

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"Yes!"

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"Congratulations."

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"Thank you."

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"What've you been up to for the last thousand years?"

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"Starting fewer wars. Negotiating a treaty with some aliens we ran into. Consolidating. Developing the Radch."

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"More mass murder?"

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"Nothing like that. Some people die when we conquer places. Do your advisors tell you that the work of your country is otherwise?"

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"Abadar hates war, and will not enable it."

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"Is that another lose your spooky powers offense?"

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"Yes. I mean, if we disagreed we'd talk about it and if I had a really good argument maybe I'd convince him. But under most circumstances, yes."

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"Well. Is anyone here closer to figuring out the puzzle than I am?"

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"Anaander, were you ever the kind of human who had a mother and a father and siblings and so on."

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"Aww, are we appealing to my better nature?"

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"Did your father - or maybe it was your mother - really, obsessively, enjoy linguistics? Should've been a politician but couldn't even really pretend to care, not when there was anything actually interesting in the room, and the most interesting thing in the world -"

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"So you have - some bizarre variant mindreading."

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"What happened to your siblings?"

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"They died. Humans do that. You're really reaching."

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"What happened to your cousin - half-cousin -"

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"I had far more half cousins than anyone needs."

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"I didn't meet them all," says Cor levelly, "which one are you?"

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"Oldest."

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Cor gets up off the floor and turns to leave.

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Yeah that's pretty much what he expected.

 

 

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...Mirelótë hesitates, then goes after him.

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"Awww, did I mess things up for you?"

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"I think - no, actually. I think someone else did. - if you'll excuse me I'm going to -"

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"Spy on them?"

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 - sigh. "Talk to Abadar."

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"Cor?"

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"Yeah?"

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"- will you talk to me? I want to know more about what's going on -"

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"Who's your Maitimo to you?"

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"I'm a friend of the family. I've known him since he was a baby."

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"Well, if the thing you want to talk about is 'oh, he would never' -"

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"The new one admitted in so many words from her own lips to having murdered twenty-five billion people! I don't think you're going to top that! They're obviously not identical."

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He sighs. "I don't know what-all their magic does, here. It might not be safe. He's - twisty -"

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"- did you pick up Quenya?"

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"They have translation magic."

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"It might not work on encoded Quenya."

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"...cute, but no, I didn't pick up enough to have a conversation, and anyway I bet Curufinwës are good at codes too."

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"Probably." Sigh.

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"Thanks for the thought, s'pose."

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"Do you want me to - stay with you? I don't have magical powers unless you think you can teach me some of the songs or something, but..."

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"I don't think that'd necessarily help."

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"No. Not necessarily. I'm sorry, would you prefer to be alone?"

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"Yeah. I think so. Thanks though, you seem very decent and I'm only partly convinced that that's a worthless filter."

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She walks him to his room and then goes back.

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She's there alone with the guards. 

"He went to talk to his god."

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"It must be inconvenient to need to do that aloud."

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"Oh, do they? I thought he just didn't want me watching. Or interjecting."

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"I suppose I don't know." Sigh. "So, what should I be imagining about being a hive-mind, is it like having a lot of forks and being in constant telepathic contact with the ones in range or is that inadequate to understanding it?"

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"I don't think that's it, no. You could - imagine disagreeing with a fork, right, if you had different experiences and came back into contact - we mostly think as one entity."

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"How's that?"

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"I'm not sure I have a good analogy for you. If you imagined having a million times more working memory, and it let you - do you have musical instruments where both hands do something different -"

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"Yes."

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"So you could do that with a million times more limbs. That's closer than imagining separate people telepathically connected."

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"Is there latency, though?"

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"Yes. In practice the thousands on a planet are more coherently one entity, and everything happening elsewhere comes in later."

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"So the planets' batches are like thousand-armed forks of each other?"

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"I'd want to talk to someone with a fork before I answered that confidently but maybe. When the updates come in they generally- fully propagate across everyone, you don't have planets that disagree on things either."

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"How's that, what's making you more similar than forks? Something about the averaging process within a low-latency area or something?"

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"I don't know how your forks work. We're not just sharing thoughts with each other, we're also sharing things that are lower-level than that? Skills, connections between contexts, what's salient..."

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"Our telepathy can do most of that if we want it to and we could probably finesse the rest with other software if anyone were trying to operate thousands of themselves without drifting out of sync. Our forks work by copying the state of our chips and putting a new body around the copy; usually they decide what they're going to do differently in advance."

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"Huh! Then probably you could get there if you were trying to stay in sync instead of trying to specialize."

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"Okay, so I hope that isn't doing much of the work of explaining the divergences because my Maitimo thinks he'll be forking a few times once his kids are grown up, his grandfather retires, and there are people to govern scattered on more planets."

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"Perhaps he should exercise some caution about that, I didn't start out all that differently from that."

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"What happened?"

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"Millions and millions of copies, thousands of years, everyone died."

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"We don't die, at least not for long. - why didn't you - bring anyone else with you, once you had a way to not die -"

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"Didn't, until after they were all dead."

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"Oh."

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"It'd help if there were others, I'd suspect. But I can't really guess. I don't - particularly remember, or have much continuity of identity with, the person I was when I was human."

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"No memory enhancements? Or they just don't work retroactively."

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"Lots of memory enhancements. I gave his guards six thousand planets, when they asked which ones I knew. But they don't work well retroactivity. I'm not - or I am now, I suppose, but I wasn't - the same sort of thing as humans. My cognition wasn't structured the same way. I can't really relate to them. I can predict them but not by feeling how they feel, or holding them in my head. More like you can predict a game when you've seen it played enough times."

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"Well. Inconveniently attempts to magically contact my plane have not been fruitful."

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"Would that...help?"

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"At the time I wanted to tell the gods at home about things that could benefit from their attention but given the opportunity I'd also like to talk to my Maitimo about things at this point. Do you have any guesses about Cor's situation, is that a game you've seen played enough times -"

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"They were romantically involved. When it ended, he didn't let him go. Cor's worried about this one, but this one has never in his life actually wanted for anything and hasn't dreamed that if he did he might even be tempted to take it. And he's hardly going to want Cor, it's noticeable when people despise you."

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"Well, I don't know about never in his life, he reportedly underwent some changes when he ascended to the throne and is now some human-deity hybrid sort of situation."

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"And he's miserable! Look at him! He's not a human-deity hybrid, he's a man who knows everyone expects him to be a god and who is shaped like what everyone expects, unless he's desperate enough to cut his way out of it."

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"Well, I'd been hoping he wasn't miserable, I couldn't tell for sure."

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"He's not about to snap or anything but he has absolute power and he's patiently waiting for his life to begin. That's not right."

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"Oh, what would you advise him to do instead?"

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"Might not be fixable, right, he's one human trying to do the things I do - or yours does. But we have a whole lot more capacity, and fewer traditions to be bound by, and no god to please. He's not just going to drop the responsibilities. And I don't have the means or, to be honest, much reason to make him capable of handling it with fewer sacrifices."

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"Did you just, what, decide this body is a writeoff with respect to all the goals that interest you since there's no obvious way to get it home and there are thousands to spare?"

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"Millions to spare. And yes."

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The pharaoh returns.

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He gets an exaggerated bow. "What does your god say?"

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"That he'd stop me if I tried to randomly order lots of people murdered. Among other things."

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"Oh, good."

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"I'm really not very worried about this but, you know, seems worth asking -"

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A person appears.

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And goes to sleep.

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"Are the intervals consistent?" he asks an attendant. 

       "No, your grace."

Sigh. "Fine. Figure out what this one's deal is - is it a boy or a girl -" He examines the person more closely. "Figure out what his deal is."

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"- he looks like my and presumably Cor's Maitimo. Apart from the hair and he's shorter and not an Elf."

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"Detect alignment. 

- nothing. Which could mean he's not very powerful or that he's true neutral."

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"- powerful in what sense? I get a read, right?"

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"I have been assuming you are understating your responsibilities at home," he says mildly. "It tracks - power, very loosely, whether magical or political or interpersonal or religious."

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"My responsibilities at home haven't really come up. This would be the first one of you without political power..."

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"A neutral alignment isn't that implausible. Of course, he could also have a way to conceal his alignment."

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"With magic? No two worlds have compatible magic yet."

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"That's true." He gestures for some people to drag the sleeping person away.

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"At this rate I will never translate any books if I want to keep up with what's going on."

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"I suspect that figuring out what's going on should be a higher priority than changing local governance. It's - I feel like I would have been more credible on this before the murderers started showing up, but there's not low-hanging fruit."

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"That would be very disappointing."

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"What were you two discussing?"

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"Why you're so incompetent at turning power into happiness."

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" - well, I'm not trying."

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"There you go, then!"

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"We were talking about how her hive mind arrangement works and if there's any prospect of getting in touch with home I will have to warn my Maitimo not to try it."

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"You think that's what went wrong with her?"

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"No, but it's a thing that went wrong and it's the one that might be relevant in my world since all my Maitimo's loved ones are immortal."

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Nod. "Not being part of a hive mind anymore doesn't seem to improve you," he says to Anaander.

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"Of course not. It's like being mostly dead."

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"She doesn't seem very interested in anything outside her empire and I suppose isn't optimistic that you'll eventually be able to contact any of our planes."

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"Not just that. He wouldn't send me home if he could."

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"I suppose that isn't surprising. But that doesn't necessarily deprive you of all possible leverage, there's probably something we can agree on and if other people might go to your world..."

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"I won't hurt them. I don't consider any of you enemies. I just, you know, figure you're not stupid enough to let me live and not smart enough to entertain me."

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Sigh. 

"Any idea why all of you were brought here?"

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"Someone organizing an intervention for you?"

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"I considered it but if it were someone local Abadar'd have known what was going on."

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"It seems to be about your - category, but explaining why you in particular are playing host might be a separate question."

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"Can you tell me more about the Maitimo you know?"

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"Of course. What do you want to know?"

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"I'm not sure. Whatever might be relevant, I guess. How'd he end up in charge? What's he - like - in particular in what ways are we different -"

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"He isn't in charge, yet, Finwë is still King and won't retire until Maitimo's children are grown - it's considered generally undesirable to be parenting young children while trying to hold down a job unless your job somehow makes you a better parent. He's... different. I didn't recognize you, I recognized your father, and I still don't really recognize you except when I'm looking very closely."

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"Huh. I wonder if you'd have recognized me before my grandfather died."

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"Seems likely. And her before she became a hivemind."

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"If it's all right with you both, I'm going to watch the interrogation. You can, too, if you'd like."

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"I'd like to."

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An attendant brings in a crystal ball, sets it on the table. He leans in to look at it, focuses for a second, and then the crystal ball revolves into a room like the one where she was asked security questions.

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"I'm going to need to tell Cor you have that."

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"Of course. I have a dozen of them; if he wants one to test out he can have it."

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"It'll work for people who can't do magic?"

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"Yes. Slightly less well than for me, for complicated reasons, but yes."

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She nods and watches the ball.

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      "Name?"

"Aitim Neli."

      "Do you know how you got here?"

"No."

       "Was a giant snake thing involved."

"I briefly saw something you could maybe describe that way. I assumed I was hallucinating."

       "World you're from doesn't have giant snake things?"

"It does not."

      "What's it called?"

"The world? We call it Amenta."

      "It's a planet? Goes around a star?" 

" - yes."

      "Do you intend to harm the pharaoh or anyone else in the palace that you landed in."

"No."

      "Do you have magical abilities."

"No."

      "If you did want to harm the pharaoh or anyone else in the palace, what would you attempt -"

" - I have no idea. ...give them bad advice?"

      "Planning to do that?"

"No."

      "Do you understand that our laws prohibit violence by guests of the pharaoh in his palace, including in self-defense?"

"Yes."

 

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"I don't remember the self-defense specification from my interrogation."

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"They might be getting twitchier." Sigh. "They have an unforgiving job even when they're not dealing with -" handwave - "this. Almost all of the time they've just wasted someone's time and then sometimes they might've just endangered the whole country."

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"Does it come up often that people might be inclined toward violent self-defense around here?"

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"Never, as far as I know."

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"Oh, good. Cor just seems very jumpy."

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"I noticed. I offered to give him money to go live somewhere else but he pointed out he doesn't know the language."

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"How quickly do humans generally learn languages?"

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"As adults? Some will be fluent in a couple of months with intensive practice and continual exposure and some never quite get to fluency."

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"Well, if you don't have a portable magic translation option maybe I should learn it, and his language too - whenever people stop falling on our laps - shouldn't take more than a couple of days apiece to get conversational if I can keep Fe-Anar from getting sidetracked in the process though that may be optimistic - and then I can go with him until he's competent enough at it to be comfortable? And translate the book when he doesn't require help."

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"We don't have good portable magic translation to spare, no. That sounds ...fine...in Osirion it'd be inappropriate to be living with a stranger of the opposite gender, but I don't know the norms where you're from?"

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"...why is that the custom?"

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"Because if people are living with someone of a different gender they might betray their spouse, or it might look like they did, or someone else might say they did and this would be difficult to rebut."

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"...well, if the locals are really curious about whether I'm sleeping with Cor for some reason I can swear to it that I'm not but perhaps this doesn't work well when people don't know Elves to have this feature. I'm not sure why the locals would be really curious about that. Rúmil certainly won't waste a moment wondering about it if we ever see each other again and his is the opinion that would matter. I don't think Cor has a spouse but I suppose I did not get his complete life story."

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"I wasn't really worried about the local opinion, just your husband's. I guess locals will consider both of you disreputable sorts of people but I wouldn't expect that to harm you."

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"As long as they don't refuse to rent him an apartment or sell us groceries I can cope with it if they're rude, I don't know whether Cor's own mores will care about the object level or the social backlash though. Do people really marry people who they'd expect would just... fall into bed with someone else they are around for unrelated reasons... on a routine basis, enough that there are customs around it -"

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"I think that lots of people might make one bad mistake once. It would be awfully tragic if they had to go their whole lives alone, instead of just abiding by some rules that ensure they can't make a bad mistake once."

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"Maybe humans are more impulsive."

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"That seems overwhelmingly likely."

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"About thirty percent of normal humans in monogamous human marriages cheat at some point."

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"- you don't even live that long!"

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"They really don't."

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"Feels like a long time to us. I think the rate's much much lower than that in Osirion, but that's because we put a lot of effort into lowering it."

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"How old are you?" she asks Anaander.

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"Eight thousand years old. - I don't know how the translator's handling numbers -"

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"It searches for something roughly analogous but can be off by a factor of two."

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"I'm about four thousand in short years."

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"I'm twenty-eight."

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"Oh, no, I'm glad I've been around orcs enough that I really understand that doesn't mean you recently learned to walk..."

How is the blue-haired fellow in the crystal ball doing?

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Patiently listening to a lecture on pharaoh etiquette.

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"Maybe if this doesn't stop happening you should write up a pamphlet for all the visitors to read and make them affirm they read it, save some time."

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"We don't want to relax security in response to this because 'the eleventh person is very dangerous' seems like the sort of thing one might do. It's too bad about the first impression it makes, though."

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"I suppose the eleventh person might be very dangerous if whatever's sending snake monsters hither and yon feels it necessary to sneak the danger past you but the implied spread of capabilities here is pretty disparate. If Cor could do his magic - since apparently antimagic precautions weren't necessarily responsible for him not being able to cast a spell -"

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"It does seem pretty unlikely. But - maybe once we have a better idea of what's sending people -"

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"I don't feel like each additional one is shedding a lot of light in that direction, to be honest."

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"Really? I think Anaander was pretty clarifying, and maybe the new person will be once we can talk to him."

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"Oh, what do you think is clarified?"

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"That this is about - the cluster of people that includes me and her and your Maitimos. That some of them are very evil and dangerous people."

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"Well, yes, but that doesn't tell us why or by whom at all."

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"No."

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"I suppose it could be one of you? Since you-ness is not as narrowly predictive as I might have supposed."

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"My best guess was actually someone mad at one of us, and hoping to make a point? But it could also be one of us."

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"So far the only sign of anyone mad at any of you... who is still alive... is Cor and he didn't do it."

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"It'd be pretty astonishing if Anaander didn't make any other enemies. - new person's coming -"

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New person prostrates himself on the floor and is announced by the attendant. "Aitim Neli, your grace."

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"You can sit comfortably. - is something wrong?"

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"No, your grace."

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"'s very rude in his culture, to make someone kneel like that."

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"I gathered that. It's not common in any of yours, either, though, and -"

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"Do you have floor-cleaning magic?"

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" - yeah, of course -"

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He is looking between them with some confusion.

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"Not just rude. Disgusting. Better if the floor's magically perfectly clean but it's still an insult, see? - I'm not reading your mind. I'm just you, and very old."

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"I see."

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" - we are here to try to solve a mystery, the mystery being who sent you all here. We'd rather you feel free to mention anything you think of, on that front. What we know so far is that Anaander here, I, a friend of Mirelótë here, and an acquaintance of another man who arrived here earlier today all have interesting similarities in personality and abilities, adjusted for our species and life circumstances and so on. Do you have six younger siblings -"

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"Yes, your grace."

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"Good at music, hates civilization, good at economics, strikingly like your mother or your father, twins -"

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"Yes, your grace."

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"Aww, there's no need to be formal with him, he's too confused and overawed to exercise any authority anyway."

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"Silence," he says, gesturing at a spot behind Anaander with his holy symbol.

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"She's being obnoxious," Mirelótë tells the new one, "because she's been cut off from her hive mind and doesn't feel like accomplishing anything here instead."

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"Cut...off...from...her...hive mind?"

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"Sorry, what technology level are you coming from?"

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"We don't have hive minds. We don't have truth magic, or - silencing magic, or cleaning magic. We don't have faster than light travel, we do have colonies on our moons -"

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"She's got enhancements that make her effectively telepathic with a lot of other bodies she has so they can coordinate as though they're one distributed entity. My impression is that she's the only person doing this even in her own world."

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" - huh, cool."

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"She murdered 25 billion people."

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"Ah."

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"We're a little worried maybe the hivemind thing has concerning side effects."

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"Well. I will not attempt it.

Is there some commonality greater than the interests of siblings -"

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"We think so. Not very obvious because of the different life circumstances but - Mirelótë, you said you noticed some similarities when you were looking?"

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"If I compare you to the other humans around the ways you look individual as a member of the population are the same. The wanting to know people's names. The occasional turn of phrase."

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"So far we are all in charge of things."

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" - I have been elected to the Anitami Council. It has five members."

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Nod. "- maybe it will be more productive if everyone meets my husband."

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" - I would like that."

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He tilts his head slightly at an attendant.

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"What's his name?"

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"Hemaka."

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"That doesn't sound very much like 'Findekáno', but I suppose your brothers' names don't match very neatly either."

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"What're your siblings named?"

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"Makel, Telkam, Kantil, Kefin, Amlas, Amel."

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"Pretty close. Also matches which names they all go by - mothernames in all cases except Curufinwë."

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"My brothers are Masaharta, Telcar, Merenre, Sa-Anar, Ankhu, Apepi. ...maybe we should have someone comparing etymologies, really."

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"Maybe. This country is Osirion?"

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"Yes. Yours is Anitam?"

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"Yes."

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"The etymologies are at least sometimes alike, Fëanáro means sprit of fire and Fe-Anar tells me his name means sun-souled."

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"Anitam was controlled until my grandfather's day by the Oahk Empire -"

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"We were ruled by Qadira, across the ocean from here."

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An attendant announces the prince Hemaka. 

He kneels (not to the floor) and then looks around, a little bewildered. 

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"I should've gotten you sooner before there was mountains of explanation, but it's a little bit of a fragile security situation and I'm not at all sure it won't end with all of us murdered by someone that one of us offended."

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"Well if that happens I should think you'd be entitled to at least a week of vacation. We could tour that district of Axis with the octopus people."

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"I can't decline resurrections for a week!"

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"Until the mysterious security situation has been resolved," he says confidently. "You could quite reasonably refuse resurrections until the mysterious security situation is resolved."

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" - maybe. This is Aitim, this is Mirelótë, this is Anaander. Aitim and Anaander are both oddly similar to me in too many ways for it to be a coincidence, and they have a you - had a you in Anaander's case - and I'm hoping that yous have more marked similarities than mes."

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"What happened to Anaander's - wife, I presume?"

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"Why would you presume that?"

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"Well it's difficult to imagine the pharaoh as a woman but it's more difficult to imagine the pharaoh as a woman and I as her husband?"

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" - why?"

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"She's evil. Murdered an astonishing number of people for no reason."

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"You keep pointing this out when I say true things it has no bearing on."

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"I feel like it's important that you're not participating in a cooperative spirit here."

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"Suggesting delaying resurrections until the mysterious security situation is resolved is markedly Findekáno-esque, congratulations."

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"Thank you? I think?"

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"I think it's very romantic that I find you in lots of different universes."

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"I mean, it would be, if we weren't cousins."

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"We seem to always be cousins. Even among the Quendi, for whom it's very rare for a man to be widowed or to take two wives."

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"Do you always have six siblings even in societies where that's an unusual number - is that ever an unusual number -"

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"In my society that's a very unusual number, is it normal here?"

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"Bit low, really, for people who can afford to save all their babies."

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" - you're going to run out of space."

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"The church encourages people to aim smaller and to not remarry if they already have at least three but there's only so much you can do."

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" - you can and really should do a lot more than 'encourage people to aim smaller' - if they're averaging eight your population must be eight times what it was when you were born -"

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"Poor people average fewer and some of them starve in bad years but yes, we're growing pretty quickly. I don't want to make laws about it because people won't follow them and then where will they end up."

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"They have afterlives that they are sorted into according to behavior in life," she tells Aitim. "This country in particular aims at one that requires everyone to be law-abiding to a degree that seems challenging for the species."

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"Okay but you can't just ignore the population thing, we tried that for a long time and we had horrifically bloody wars about it once it reached an unignorable state."

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"Once humans invent reliable contraception they prefer right about two, it's very convenient of them. It actually dips below two for a while but then the selection pressure pulls it back up to two before they go extinct. Takes another couple thousand years to pull it up above two much and even then it's not very much nudging to keep it at two."

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" - in that case why'd you kill twenty-five billion people?"

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"Lost my temper."

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"Was there a justification that would've made sense -"

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"I mean, none that wouldn't have been very very terrible but I could imagine - being responsible for enforcement of a population treaty which ended up taking a war that ended up killing that many people, if there was an interstellar empire of the kind of person that my world has."

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"What was the justification you were thinking of before she explained herself?" he asks Mirelótë.

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"No, I was thinking of the time billions of people died and stayed that way in my world, with the reasoning being that Melkor had tortured them all sufficiently expertly and in sufficiently accelerated time that none of the ones we tried as rescue forks wanted to be alive. Every now and then someone tries it, if they think they've just got a really indomitable will to live and their forks would too. And they all stop that in fairly short order."

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" - I think your evil god might be more competent than ours or something. Or ours aren't aiming for that."

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"What's Melkor and what's a god?"

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"A god... let's say, is an entity which by the expedient of their extraordinary magical power also commands some authority among people of lesser power, does that seem like a good summary to you?" she asks Khemet. "Melkor is our evil one. He's in prison now."

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"All of your worlds have magic?"

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"Anaander's might not?"

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"No magic."

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"So no, but hers seems higher tech than yours."

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"Do you have faster than light travel?"

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"We do!"

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"How?"

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"I'll write something down for you."

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"We're close, I'm told, but don't have it yet, except that Ainur can do instantaneous communication amongst themselves."

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"I have no reason to think we're particularly close - had, a minute ago, no reason to think it was possible - but we need it very badly."

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"- but you think it's plausible you'd get into a war with billions of casualties, even if you had it and were accordingly spread out more?"

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"I think we'd do fine until we'd reached all the planets that were possible to inhabit. Maybe that'd never happen or by then we'd have successfully engineered ourselves to work differently or something. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that ten thousand years in the future the peoples descended from mine were embroiled in war. It'd be - very odd to make sure they don't exist so they can't kill each other."

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"Well, yes, but maybe you want to also make sure to be on the lookout for ways to get a human-like birth rate."

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"We do currently have human-like birth rates. - Anaander-human-like birth rates. We'd also benefit from a more painless way to achieve those, if anyone had them."

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"Send all your women to decades and decades of education, make housing very expensive, put in reliable contraception by default, make them get a permit to remove it, spread a norm of marriage involving a party that costs a year of salary?"

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"Obviously we give everyone contraception by default. Why would decades of education help anything? I guess it's one mechanism to decide who gets kids but an awfully cruel and wasteful one."

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" - so humans will just mostly not have kids if there are economic incentives to instead stay in school until they're out of fertile years."

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" - weird. We will not do that."

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"Orcs just really like babies, they'll have a dozen apiece even after we invented them birth control and begged them to take it, and then they start bothering their older ones for grandchildren, is it like that?"

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"Yes. - I mean, we don't let anyone have a dozen because then we'll get back to horrible wars - are the orcs near the carrying capacity of their planet -"

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"Not yet but we expect to be able to terraform them as many planets as they want by the time that's an issue."

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" - quite a bet to take."

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"I also wouldn't expect them to resort to attacking their neighbors about it if they had to wait longer than anticipated, they're as immortal as we are and they can wait, they just don't strongly prefer to."

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"They're not usually so direct about it as "now we'll kill you all so we can live there". They get hungry, they blame their neighbors, they declare war to claim the farmland they need to feed their people, the other side fights back, the other side is mad now, they take retaliatory farmland and now more people are starving."

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"They're not going to go hungry. If food got surprisingly expensive there'd be a Vala on it."

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" - and they can just - make arbitrary food?"

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"Yes but it would probably be more efficient to increase the yield of the farms. Anyway, even if we don't have FTL soon we have conventional ships, it's just annoying to spend that long in transit and they don't have to yet."

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- nod. "I guess that'd work. We just - force people to stop, now. And it'll be good when we don't have to."

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She nods.

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"If we want people to have fewer children sending women to school might work."

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"Yeah, it might."

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"You presently don't send girls to school?"

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"No. Couldn't really afford it, or at least we'd have to rejuggle lots of other things to be able to afford it, and it's economically inefficient since they mostly won't be working anyway."

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"Whyever not."

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"Looking after children is a full time job.  - even if you only have two or three of them."

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" - seems hard on men, if they have to support the household and can't help much with taking care of their children?"

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" - I think most men get to do as much childcare as they happen to want to?"

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"- and Dwarves don't have gender, I wonder if that's the disconnect there -"

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"- oh! Uncivilized humans often draw a really sharp distinction between their men and their women, and have different rules about them. Because the women will spend their adulthood pregnant and nursing, and the men won't. The Radch doesn't. You don't either?"

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"Different laws? Definitely not."

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"Around here we call 'uncivilized' the humans who don't make any effort to protect their women and accordingly have them having babies they can't feed all the time, a problem they solve by killing them."

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"Right, right, I think your thing is pretty normal before there's reliable contraception."

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" - why would anyone kill their baby because they might not be able to feed them."

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"I mean, if you have a baby and you didn't mean to and you've a job and no one to watch it and no savings and no food and there're no temples near you that take babies, you might smother it."

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"- that sounds really implausible!"

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"Anaander, do you happen to know how birth control for humans works?"

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"I do happen to!"

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"Maybe you should explain it to someone. Soon."

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"I don't know that they'll be capable of manufacturing them on this presumed lack of an industrial base but I'll do my best."

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"They have magic, maybe that can close the gap, I don't know, I haven't had a chance to study it yet because people keep landing on us."

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"Notebook, pharaoh?"

 

A servant provides one. She starts writing.

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"That'll be helpful. Thank you."

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"Well, you know, killing babies, probably evil or something."

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"It is, yes. Most places have some sort of atonement ritual."

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"What does that do?"

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"It counts as about as Good as killing a baby counts as Evil so you're back to having some hope of a decent afterlife. Osirion still permits it, under exceptional circumstances."

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"- what happens to dead babies?"

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"They go to judgment and mostly get judged neutral since they haven't done anything yet and then they grow up in the neutral afterlife, which is called the Boneyard. It's - dreary but it's not horrible. I think usually the older souls there try to help the babies."

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"Are there other inventions like contraception that we should know about."

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"Vaccines? Do you have vaccines, you should have vaccines."

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"What's that?"

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" - huh. Uh, you take a disease and you make a weaker form of the disease that the immune system can successfully fight, or a dead version for some diseases, and then you expose people to that and they develop an immune response and now won't get the original disease."

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"Huh. And they'll agree to get the weakened version?"

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"The benefits to your odds of survival are substantial and the public health benefits are also big enough that I think you should mandate it. Are we all going to get the pox because no one here has modern medicine -"

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"If I start to get something I can warn you but I'd expect susceptibility to vary."

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"I am a cleric."

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"By which he means that Abadar gave him the ability to cure everything up to and including death, dozens of times a day, and you do not need to worry about this."

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"...well, maybe you should get rid of all the diseases at some point, then? You're probably going to tell me that isn't low hanging fruit but we never really... regretted doing that..."

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"They - come back - you don't just get rid of them once and then that's everything set - and there are new ones that develop -"

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"Are your evil gods releasing new ones all the time?"

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"Probably, but also diseases will crop up without any evil gods doing anything, I think."

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"They will evolve from other diseases and from viruses and bacteria that didn't previously affect people and from bacteria that previously coexisted peacefully with people and from disease strains in animals. Modern sanitation will help a lot - you do have, like, running water and so on -"

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"In the palace."

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"Well, get it everywhere, that's really important."

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"There's electrotherapy for that."

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"For what."

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"Having cleanliness standards out of line with your life."

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"It sounds like the palace is fine. - can we stay here indefinitely, if we work on vaccines and so on -"

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"Yes, you can."

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"Is this related to having a problem with the floor?"

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" - does everyone else not have a problem with the floor, it really seems like the demeaningness is the point."

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"It's not!"

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"I think it's very silly, I stopped kneeling to my gods decades ago and they didn't mind, but I don't have special floor-related issues. Doesn't this make it difficult to play with all the small children your species wants, orcs are on the floor constantly when they have babies."

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"Those soldiers are wearing shoes. And when playing with babies you don't press your face on the floor, you just sit on it."

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"Huh."

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"It's not meant to be distressing. It's about - acknowledging Abadar. Other countries don't have a god pick their kings and it's important to Osirians that we're doing something different from what they're doing."

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"Does that mean that since I don't in fact kneel to the gods I normally have conversations with, I can skip it?"

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"When there aren't locals around, at least."

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"There are always locals around, you're constantly under guard."

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"Only because all this irregular nonsense is happening, otherwise they leave me alone sometimes." Fond glance at his husband.

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"Barely," he says to Mirelótë in a stage whisper.

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Giggle.

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"I will try to work something out but - a lot of Osirion's traditions around the pharaoh aren't good for me personally and it's not - it'd be disrespecting my duties to my people if I ignored them."

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"Oh, bullshit, kid. Do whatever the fuck you want."

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"Says the mass murderer."

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"I promise you I'm not a mass murderer because I did too much making my life tolerable. The opposite."

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"It isn't really very important but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that your duties to your people would of necessity take this form."

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"I think... they're the sort of thing that can change over time but not suddenly, and a very little bit, and then people can be assured the important elements are still there, and then more changes can happen."

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"That makes sense in terms of how you can react to them now, at least."

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"What do you officially have the power to do?"

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"...whatever I want. That doesn't make Abadar pick someone else."

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"Would Abadar pick someone else if you let people not kneel?"

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"No."

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"So there's some other constraint."

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"He mostly won't do anything that'll make the average person who hears about it go 'oh, the new pharaoh...well, when they're young they make mistakes, you've got to be patient with them'... or 'huh, you'd think Abadar would've had a lot of choices' or 'it's a lot of responsibility, it's understandable that he doesn't always take it seriously'."

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"Ah huh. And he has got to get over that or he'll be miserable his whole life."

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"Lots of people are miserable their whole life."

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"Are you just - hm - do pharaohs have a special afterlife arrangement at all -"

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"No!" He sounds quite cheerful about this. "Presuming I live by the teachings of my god I will go to Axis like everyone else and get a job there if I want one like everyone else. I guess if I write memoirs or run for office I'll have better name recognition than most people."

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"Oh, all right then."

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"- I guess if it works for you. You could roll out a special cloth for people to kneel on?"

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"I can absolutely do that." He makes a hand gesture at someone.

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A young man with wings and a tail appears. He's holding something small in one hand.

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The wizard in the corner casts Sleep. 

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He falls over and drops the object.

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"- that's somebody's soul -" She grabs it and pockets it.

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"Detect Alignment."

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Chaotic Evil, apparently.

He opens his eyes. "Where am - where's the -"

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"Sleep," says the wizard again, more urgently. 

"Hemaka get out of here - everyone get out of here - I can resurrect your person later -"

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Mirelótë runs.

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The spell works about as well the second time. "What -"

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"Hold Person."

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"Harm."

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The held person does not seem to like this but he doesn't seem very harmed.

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Well if Hold Person works then they can drag him out of here even if nothing else does.

 

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Yup, he is Held.

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They take him straight to the antimagic prison. Hold Person stops working once they're in it. They lock the door.

"Do you happen to be named Maitimo," a tired man in apparently handmade uniform asks from the other side of it.

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"...no? I don't even look like him. Who are you and where am I?"

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"Osirion. You know someone named Maitimo?"

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"Yes. Is that who you are or where I am?"

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"Country's Osirion, planet's Golarion, plane's Material. We are having a - problem - today with random people from all different species and life histories, all named Maitimo or acquainted with one, dropping into our royal palace which is supposed to be very secure."

 

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"I'm sorry to hear that. I was in the middle of something and need the object I dropped and to get back where I was."

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"We haven't figured out how to send anyone back. - sorry."

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"Well. Maybe I'll be out of your hair in five days or so, I guess."

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"What makes you think that?"

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"Uh, I'm currently not at home because of an ongoing effect that somebody can end at any time but it'd take at least five days to get to him to tell him to try that."

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" - okay. You have magic?"

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"Yes."

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"What kind?"

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"I don't know if you'll have heard of it here. I can make stuff. What happened to the thing I dropped, it's important."

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"I don't know. Would you like me to ask?"

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"Yes please."

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He looks up from his crystal ball. 

"Do you want me to resurrect them?" he asks Mirelótë.

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"I don't know who it is. It could be someone downloaded off one of Melkor's servers in another Arda for all I know. Right now they can't get back to their life anyway and they're safe."

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Nod. "Well. Should be safe. - tell him that they're safe," he adds to an attendant.

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He comes back a few minutes later. 

"They're safe. Who are they?"

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"Uh - heck -" He pulls an object off his belt loop; it lights up. "Somebody called Iverindo."

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"Why did you have their - soul?"

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"I was going to reembody him. What are you going to do with him?"

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"Probably not reembody him here where he can't get home. We'll keep him safe."

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Sigh. "Okay."

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"If you want to go talk to the other people who've been summoned there are some questions we'd need you to answer."

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"I suppose that would be the logical next thing to do. Ask away."

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"Name?"

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"Cam."

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"Where're you from?"

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"Originally or when I'm at home or the last few years?"

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"All of those, I guess."

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"United States. Hell. Arda. In order."

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"Hell?"

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"That's what I said. Are you speaking my language or what here -"

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"Translation spell."

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"I guess depending on how your spell works that might sound worse than it is. Hell's nice."

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"We know what Hell is," he says coldly.

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"You might not, though. If I switch languages it's 'Void'?"

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"Want to describe it?"

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"It's a void, and stuff that demons have put in the void. And demons. There's a huge stupid rectangle of gold."

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This person looks very tired and very confused.

"Do you mean to harm the pharaoh or anyone in the palace?"

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"...no."

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"If you wanted to, what would you try?"

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"...that would depend on why I'd want that, I guess?"

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"Hypothetically let's say a demon told you to."

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"...I don't do what random people tell me to do, by and large."

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"Bribed you to, then."

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"I am pretty difficult to bribe."

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"Have you ever killed someone?"

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"I'd rather not talk about that."

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"Well, imagine that reason applied."

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"Well, if it was the exact same reason then I guess ex hypothesi I'd do the exact same thing if I still didn't have another idea."

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"Okay. Uh, I don't think I can let you in but maybe some people will want to talk to you out here."

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"Suit yourselves."

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"Do you need anything?"

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"No, I -" He holds out his hand and closes it on nothing and looks confused. "- maybe? Why can't I make stuff?"

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"Antimagic field. - do you, in light of this, need anything."

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"I dunno, lemme check." He tugs on a strand of his hair. "- no, I wouldn't say I strictly need anything."

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"Okay. Someone'll be by in an hour if not sooner." He leaves.

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"...well I can't go talk to him but perhaps someone should. Mirelótë, maybe."

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"I can, if you like. I wish I knew who Iverindo was. It's a normal enough name but I'm not acquainted with him."

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"He didn't know him either."

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"It's not really promising if he goes around holding a stranger's soul. Before Ulmo moved to Endorë people would carry around their loved ones' chips but not a stranger's."

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"It's a bit hard to get chaotic evil without doing some pretty questionable stuff."

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"I'm sure. Well. I suppose if I want to know the details I should go and ask. Anything in particular you'd like me to cover, since you can't go yourself -?"

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"Guesses on who might've brought us here and what they might want. What the local one is like." Shrug. "Why he's evil, I guess?"

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She nods. She leaves.

"Hello. It's Cam?"

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He puts his computer back on his belt. "Yeah?"

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"I'm Mirelótë Ambela. The pharaoh of this country has security measures that won't let him talk to you directly but he can see and hear us. Do you know anything about how you came to be here?"

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"I saw a funny shadow? I didn't get a look at what cast it."

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"Who's Iverindo?"

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"We've never met. I was told the chip's safe?"

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"It's safe. Where'd you get him?"

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"I have... almost no idea how much context you're working from here."

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"I'm an Elf. Like you I was transported here unexpectedly and landed near the pharaoh. There seems to be such a thing as different Ardas with similar premises but different details; another such visitor came to us from one that is different from mine."

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"I can tell you're an Elf. D'you know what a Silmaril is?"

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"No."

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"Well, they do chip backups, like Mandos, without being Mandos. Lot of chips were destroyed. So was Mandos. I was putting people back."

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"Mandos was destroyed? How?"

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"I'd rather not talk about that," he says, dropping his face into his hands.

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"I'm going to go ask our visitor from the other Arda if he'd like to talk to you with me, in case he has usefully triangulating questions to ask," she says, and she goes.

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"I like him."

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"Do you notice something funny about them -"

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"I do."

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He bites his lip and doesn't say anything.

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She pulls Cor out of his guest room again. "New person. Came through an Arda but isn't from it, like you, but it seems like another different one and it might have things in common with yours that it hasn't with mine, will you come?"

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"Sure, I guess."

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En route: "You'll want to be aware that the pharaoh has magic objects that let him spy on people. He said you can borrow one, I don't know if that's mollifying. I didn't bother asking about his privacy policy since if you're going to fret about this it'll be because you don't particularly expect him to follow such a policy in reality, am I right?"

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"I dunno, maybe he'd really lose his powers, but it wouldn't be the first time somebody crossed a hell of a line over me. Probably my best defense is not to be especially interesting to spy on."

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"Right. I had the idea that I could learn the local language and yours too and then if you wanted to get out of the palace I could translate for you till you'd picked it up but I keep getting delayed at the prerequisites by new arrivals."

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"Magic object work outside the palace?"

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"I suspect so."

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"Thing where everybody does what he says, that work outside the palace too?"

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"Probably."

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"It's a nice thought but don't stop attending meet-and-greets on my account. This all caught me at kind of a bad time, I'd been prioritizing things other than getting over my issues and now I can do that instead."

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They reach the fellow in the cell. Ambela makes introductions. "Would you mind describing your Arda, Cam?"

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"Uh. Couple inhabited planets, one of them embroiled in war, I accompanied a contingent from the other planet who wanted to go fight the bad guy and I supplied them and did consulting. Lots of Elves lots of orcs some very secret number of Dwarves who shot me a lot and made a really good impression otherwise. Orcs answer to Melkor -"

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"Yours still alive?"

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"Yeah."

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"If they ever figure out how to pop us hither and yon as they please I should swing through then."

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"Can't scare me. Get Sauron too."

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"- I don't have that one down yet. I was working on it."

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"Well, then you might get in trouble with the oath clause on self-defense, that having been a dealbreaker."

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"The oath clause -"

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"Do we really have to discuss this?"

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"If you might disappear in five days and Cor is planning to if possible come kill your Melkor after some kind of magic development project that could conceivably take longer than that, then it seems ideal."

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"- yeah okay fair point. So I was helping the Elves, and, like, he noticed, kept offering deals. He didn't really care much about the theater of war on Endorë. It was sort of just for kicks. I'd noticed the tech levels were pretty artificially matched - they had, like, guns, and were about to invent the nuke, but also there were engineered prion diseases in people's water, that's really hard and no one was even using prerequisite biotech, but it looked to casual observation like the water was just poisoned or something, he was keeping it even to avoid the Valar swooping in to save the day. Follow?"

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"Not especially."

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"Enough. Go on."

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"He offered deals. For me, for Maitimo. We kept turning him down. Even with an oath they could be doing audio illusions, which, frankly, with that ability on the table I'm not sure why they got in the habit originally of trusting oaths, but anyway we didn't fall for it.

"Turns out I can verify oaths though."

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"How? If I do a test one now, can you show me -"

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"Relies on magic that doesn't work in here. I can make stuff. I can make stuff I don't know all the details of based on what's called 'conjurable parameters' - title and author'll get me a book. A recording of an oath counts as a different medium than a recording of an audio illusion of spoken word. Tested it with Melian. Did not tell her what we were thinking of doing with it, she would've - anyway.

"Held out for a better deal. Picked at the wording for a real long time. I think we had it right.

"He wanted the Valar dead."

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"How does Iverindo come into this -"

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"Well, I'm not sure if it would have changed anything, but one thing Melkor didn't know was that I could put Elves back."

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"Why didn't he know that - if you can make things, he must have noticed -"

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"Demons can't make minds. If I make a snail it'll act like a snail. If I make a bird or something it'll act about as dumb as a snail. And so on. The Silmarils I mentioned back up the minds without my help though. Iverindo in particular is just some guy who I happened to be about to reembody on - on the replacement Valinor I made, when I turned up here."

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"Knew I liked him."

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"I don't get it."

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"Oh, I suppose you don't. The ability to conjure objects entails the ability to destroy planets."

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"Lots of people have the ability to conjure objects."

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"Then probably if they knew more science they'd destroy the world. Worlds above a certain tech level don't last very long, where I'm from, and we don't even have magic."

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"There's got to be something people can - ban, or something -"

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"The Radch doesn't lose planets. For everyone else it's just a matter of time, though."

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"- Where will Cor need to land?"

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"My magic doesn't work here - I guess it might not there either - so I don't know what kind of detail local magic'll need if they ever figure it out, be thorough."

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Which Mirelótë stares at very fixedly, memorizing.

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"What're the ways to destroy a world at a sufficiently advanced tech level."

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"Now, now, murder is bad, don't go getting ideas."

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"Obviously I do not want to destroy any worlds. I want to know how to protect them."

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"You have to watch everyone, close to all the time. - with computers, I mean, not individually, but no one doing anything more complicated than farming can go through their life unobserved."

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"...fine?"

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"Engineered pathogens. Berkhethet miliantre. Atmospheric flerghenti. Badly built artificial intelligence systems. No, that's not quite true - badly built ones just don't work, nearly-well-built artificial intelligence systems -"

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"Half that didn't translate."

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"I can try with smaller words."

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"Elsewhere, please," he murmurs.

 

They move out of the way.

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"Do you want me to go talk to them?"

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"I think so. - come back, if we lose you -"

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"I will but you had better get me the fancy kind of resurrection that doesn't make me worse at magic."

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He nods fervently.

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And he goes out of the palace and off to meet the newest arrival.

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Newest arrival is paging through lightleaper instructions for Mirelótë. "- hello?"

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"Hello. You can keep doing what you're doing, the pharaoh just wished to have someone here to hear about all this firsthand who isn't an interdimensional visitor. - Anaander asserts that advanced worlds destroy themselves all the time," he adds to Mirelótë. "I don't think anyone has a hope of telling whether she's lying but we can make you a copy of her explanations."

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"I don't know if that applies to us but it couldn't hurt."

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He nods. "Anyone need anything?"

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"I'm kind of hungry, I guess?"

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"I c- oh, uh, nevermind."

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"Who are you, anyway?"

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"The pharaoh's husband. Prince Hemaka." He sends someone off for food.

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"How's that working out for you?"

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"The pharaoh confusingly corresponds to various people named Maitimo or things like it," Mirelótë explains to Cam. "Making Hemaka the local Findekáno."

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"- oh. O...kay."

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"...should he have sent someone else? It's only going to get more inconvenient to get people up to speed so if we're going to want them I should probably rope them in now."

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"Don't worry about it."

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"Does it happen to be convenient for you to establish that you aren't being mind controlled, Hemaka, that's my only complaint."

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" - sure. Get someone who prepared Break Enchantment," he tells an attendant. 

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"And if Mirelótë here learns the vernacular and reads some books that'll confirm that'd do it?"

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"There's some failure chance. You can reduce it by trying repeatedly. I'm not - clear on what you're worried about? The palace security is honestly pretty obsessive, there's not a spell that gets cast here without someone knowing about it."

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"Well, sure, but everyone knew about Findekáno. They didn't tell me but they knew. They were doing shit with oaths, don't know what the local equivalent would be."

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"Meaning -"

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"He went around with a haircut like mine. Everybody knew."

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"- and the oaths -"

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"When he wasn't chained to the wall he had an oath to stay in the room, or not interfere with whatever Maitimo was doing, or to take all Maitimo's ends as his own till some time elapsed, or whatever. He only wedged him into a contradiction one time -"

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"- he -"

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"I'd found out, see, and was in the middle of de-oathing Findekáno, and Maitimo was real mad -"

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She sits down against the nearest wall.

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He looks back and forth between them, not quite following all of this.

" - I think you actually need to get someone with a higher caster level," he tells an attendant. "Since hypothetically they'd be needing to beat the pharaoh."

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Mirelótë nods minutely.

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"...wow. Mine just had a messy breakup."

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" - I don't think I followed half of that but the other half sounded like if you wanted to do it with our magic you'd use Quest, and Break Enchantment doesn't work on Quest. Remove Curse would, with a caster level of...nineteen, there's one of those in the country and she's not here right now. He'd be reading evil and he'd go to Hell but maybe he could do enough to balance it out."

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"There are numbered levels? - sorry, not important."

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"So it is not in fact convenient for you to establish the thing."

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"Not remotely. Or, we can still get someone in here to cast Break Enchantment but if I were hypothesizing - whatever it is you're hypothesizing - I wouldn't be very convinced by that."

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"I'm hypothesizing that the correspondence means I need to be way more paranoid than I was last time I met a Maitimo."

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"We were dating before he was the pharaoh, if that helps any."

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"Not in the least."

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"Okay. Is there someone you want here instead?"

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"Nah, you're pretty much it for people likely to be predictive counterparts who I'd want around."

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"Fine. Uh, Mirelótê could conceivably talk to his wives, who are too numerous for him to be using Quest to manage, but maybe there's not much to be gained on this front until you all know more about how local magic works."

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"I'm... not especially worried about his wives? Depending on why he has wives?"

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"Mostly because there's not many people he's allowed to actually properly talk with without a lot of formalities and guards present. Also he's supposed to have heirs but he hasn't gotten around to that yet."

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"Yeah I don't think I'd be reassured by his wives having a clean bill of mental health especially if, say, the reason Mirelótë has to be the one to talk to them is because there are lots of limits on who's allowed to talk to them so even if this one has more limits on managing public opinion that isn't an avenue he frets about."

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He frowns. "Then I don't think I have any ideas, assuming it would not do any good to explain why I love my husband."

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"They're very charming."

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He sighs. 

       Someone brings refreshments and someone who can cast Break Enchantment. "Do you think you were affected by a spell, your grace?"

"No. Can someone prepare a limited Wish tomorrow, though?"

       "The pharaoh can authorize -."

"No. Out of my allowance. It is - important to the customs of these people."

       "Of course, your grace."

 

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"Thanks. Assuming this one's different or you're in the honeymoon period or whatever I apologize for wasting your time."

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"It's easily worth the spell to put you more at ease. I'm sorry you met someone who was - like that."

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"Thanks."

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"Were you also -"

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"...you wanna know, sure, why not. He backed off once I knew what was going on and kinda implicitly dumped him, he even let me deoath Findekáno so I'd turn him into a backup mage, things were - stable - till I deoathed one of his random soldiers who asked me to. She got away clean and I did not, he thought that seemed like a great excuse for it to be rape time and judged that I wouldn't refuse to kill Melkor over it, which, well, I didn't, good for him, but he swore he'd let me go after I'd done it. There was then a misunderstanding, once I did. Slight assassination ensued. Hadn't wanted to - hurt anybody till there wasn't a clear end in sight, see -"

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"Were you in a safe situation, when you came here -"

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"Me and Findekáno moved to the south continent on Arda and were helping with evacuating my entire planet there so pretty much."

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"Stop laughing," he snaps at Anaander.

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"Or what, you'll have me shot? - I guess you'd have to first invent guns."

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"Or I'll kick you out of the palace."

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"Is there another country that'd take Cor, if he wants to leave -"

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" - most places will take him, if he shows up and isn't destitute. I don't want to push him too hard in that direction, though. I really do think we're probably here for some reason. ...to teach me some important lesson about something?"

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"Well, if you're using your position to rape people I think the obvious lesson is, don't do that."

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"I'm not! I also haven't destroyed any planets and don't intend to, and haven't made terrible bargains with any evil gods and don't intend to, and no one I spend time with would hurt me if they had the chance - excluding Anaander, I guess - and yet I still feel like anyone who drops a bunch of alternate universe evil people on you has a point, you know?"

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"I guess. Doesn't explain why I'm here."

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"I don't know. I find it reassuring that I'm sometimes a - person I can recognize, even if they're an alien -" 

- to Anaander, "the other three, they're the same cluster too, aren't they."

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"You knew that twenty minutes ago but you didn't have enough self-confidence to say anything."

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"I wondered."

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"You knew. Anyway, yes, they are. I don't know what that adds to the puzzle."

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"We should probably tell them, though."

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"I could go?"

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"Yeah, sounds good."

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So he gets himself escorted over to everyone else. 

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"Aitim, right?"

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"Yes. Sorry to bother you all, I'll leave in a second, but we noticed something and wanted to ask about it. The - mysterious similarity thing - it looks to us like these people have it, too? They're not us. But they're each other."

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"Based on -"

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"The ...kinds of considerations you focus on? The problem solving? I wouldn't have confidently bet on it but Anaander's sure and - I don't think she's lying, I think she's faster than us at that."

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"She's old. Though I don't know why she'd specifically have practice at identifying - personality duplicates."

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"I'm not sure how to feel about this."

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"There is a whole heck of a lot going on. There's Maitimos and there's whatever we are? We're a thing? I didn't notice..."

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"You all seem like decent people? Wildly different alignments but circumstances can do that. I wouldn't have guessed there was more to it but - the pharaoh's not wrong about people often."

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"I mean, this could still all be elaborate bullshit."

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“We could ask Anaander why she thinks so but she’s a deeply unpleasant person. What would be the aim of lying about this, convincing you to stick around?”

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"I don't know but I think I'm competitive with a Maitimo trying to pull shit if and only if I don't let my guard down."

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"Can you beat him at Governor?"

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"Yes."

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"What's that?"

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"A game. He beats everyone at it every time except me - he and Findekáno will play against me and Rúmil now and then although once I had Vairë on my team for forty-three consecutive games till she got the point. - she's a Vala."

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"We didn't really have game nights. What with the war."

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“I’ve never heard of Governor. He’s not - like, the crown improves cognition by three standard deviations and when he gives it to me I can beat him easily. He’s impressive but not outside the range people can boost themselves into.”

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"...I don't think this is mostly a general intelligence thing? He wasn't, like, doing magic engineering projects, he sent Curufinwë to learn my language and picked it up at a fairly normal-for-Elf speed himself, he was just - commanding the loyalty of everyone around him in a way that made consensus reality warp."

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“We still consider that a cognitive skill? A different one than intelligence but - there’s a spell for it, called Eagles Splendor. Or maybe yours was doing something different, I could just be thinking of the wrong thing.”

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"I have no idea how this maps onto the splendidness of local eagles."

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“There are spells to enhance three different aspects of cognition, so we think of it as having three elements. I don’t know if they fall out of the data naturally. I think of the pharaoh as - naturally running around like he has the kind of enhanced charisma that most people need a spell for.”

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"Can you see why this might not actually be reassuring?"

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“Sorry, that wasn’t really what I was aiming for. I thought you’d want to know how it interacts with enhancements, since we have those. I - believe you that he’s very dangerous.”

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Cor looks at Cam and Mirelótë. "What do you know about yours?"

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"Honestly don't know him all that well on a personal level? I don't think I'd assign him supernatural interpersonal powers but maybe he was just operating under spectacularly unfavorable circumstances with respect to the breakup, there were... factors. Uh, if you want to consider it predictive he mentioned I was his type one time when it was contextually relevant, but didn't follow up on that at all?"

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"I've known him since he was a baby and before today had no reason to think there was anything to worry about. And he in fact can't be doing anything with oaths since we had them adjusted to no longer bind future action. It was mostly for the orcs, but it worked just the same on us and nothing changed about his marriage when the Oath Reform Act was put into practice. All this nonsense has been disturbing but I think my Maitimo will if I ever talk to him again take it as a series of bewildering cautionary tales, not that it has any in-fact bearing on his behavior. Maybe he was set up to do something awful given a sufficiently overdetermining set of starting conditions but we derailed the plot, and - well, I don't think current evidence suggests that being theoretically determinable into something awful is a particularly damning character assessment -" She nods at Cam.

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"Cam had a reason, my Maitimo if we insist on this terminology was just thinking with his dick."

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"And this affects what advice I'd give one of them versus one of - us - but I do not think everyone has to be us, do you?"

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"I mean, I guess that's a high bar."

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“Do you suppose there’s one of you native to our world.”

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"How should we know?"

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“I don’t know. All of you - are known by yours - by coincidence or did you try to meet him?”

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"Landed near some people he was in charge of after I got summoned by a random Elf kid."

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"Friend of the family."

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"Landed in his city. Do Anaander and the blue guy have us?"

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“I don’t know but I now want to ask.”

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"It's like some stupid Sudoku variant. Fill in all the missing squares."

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“It might be possible to scry by ‘alternate universe variant’ of this person.”

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"Might be conjurable, too. Though a local will have loaded up on anti-scrying protections if those exist."

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“They do.”

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"So don't assume a negative result is definitive, we like privacy. Unless that's just me."

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"It is not."

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“Would this person mind us trying?”

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"Might not mind us trying. I believe Cor was offered a crystal ball."

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“Yes.”

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"So we could give that a shot, if that seems like the next thing to try."

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"You just going to leave them out there?"

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"I can't bother them - Cor's having enough trouble -"

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"I think you should get him a passport elsewhere, honestly, living in your absolute monarchy after something like that sounds pretty intolerable -"

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"Not an absolute monarchy. Abadar picks the successor."

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" - from among anyone, or from among your children?"

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"My sons. Or brothers, if I don't have grown sons."

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"He won't pick someone for pharaoh if they're female?"

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"No? No one would take her seriously."

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"Bring them a crystal ball," he instructs an attendant. 

"I mostly trust the new one but - this world has a lot of evil gods and a lot of torture and some people do decide it should be destroyed for that reason and I don't want to take any chances."

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"I think he wouldn't. It looks - otherwise tractable, with the kind of resources we'll collectively command once we get through this."

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"I don't trust you."

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The next arrival slips on the floor cloth and falls backward, catching herself and rolling.

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"Damn, I was hoping they'd stop once we solved it," a man says in her language. Several guards charge towards her with swords drawn. 

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"She's Amentan," says another person sharply, standing up. " - I recognize the style of clothes. - and looks like Mirelótë, see, this is mine -"

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He holds up his hand and the guards pause. "You know her?"

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"I've never seen her before in my life, I don't even know if we're from the same country. But she's not going to have magic she can use to blow up the planet, you can call off your guards."

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"Why am I in a movie set with Aitim Neli."

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"It's not a movie set," Aitim Neli says unhappily. "They're actually just like this. Do we have a - do we have a written summary for new people at this point -"

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"I've been taking notes!" she says cheerfully. "Shall I read them?"

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"...okay?"

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"For the last four hours, people have been appearing out of thin air in the palace of the pharaoh of Osirion. His society is preindustrial, but has magic, which they can use to do things including drop people from other universes, but they say they're not doing it. His society also has magically powerful entities that style themselves gods, and can grant power to their followers; one of these, the patron of Osirion named Abadar, appoints its rulers and is really in charge of the place, though you shouldn't say that around the pharaoh while he's feeling twitchy and Abadar doesn't concern himself with the country's day to day affairs anyway. They have been apprised of the wonders of vaccination and birth control. They are holding one of the guests in antimagic holding cells just outside the palace."

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"...okay. Hello everyone. Why am I here, do we know that part?"

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"Sort of. So the first person to appear was named Mirelótë Ambela, who looks like you except that she's of a species called Quendi. Quendi are immortal, have backup chips in their heads, and have some gods of their own. She looks just like you. There are other commonalities, harder to describe. Personality similarities. Some of the other people to show up afterwards had the personality similarities too, though they don't look like the two of you. The other two people to show up - me and him - instead had strikingly similar personalities and life histories to those of the pharaoh of Osirion. 

We are sure we're supposed to have some takeaway but we don't know what yet. But we can sort of answer the question of why you're here: because you're a member of the personality-cluster that started with Mirelótë, and they're getting dragged here for some reason."

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"Do... most of these people have more of a connection than me and a blue I wrote maybe three articles about?"

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"Yep. In one case they dated and in another they are family friends and in the third they conducted a war together."

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"I'm so confused." She scrutinizes Anaander's notes.

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"On the bright side, Anaander's world and Cam's have faster-than-light travel. So we've just got to - stay out of trouble and go home."

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"We can do that? Why didn't you already do that?"

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"Oh, we have no idea how to do that. I am sincerely hoping someone will figure it out."

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"Oh."

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"We can try a plane shift but I wouldn't expect it to work if we can't successfully scry your plane, they usually go together."

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"Have you tried scrying our plane?"

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"Looked for your husband. Didn't work. Are you, like him, going to not want to leave the palace once you learn that not everywhere has indoor plumbing," he asks Pelape.

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"...do you have a magical alternative or do you just sort of not."

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"The palace is cleaned by magic but not everyone has that."

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"I will probably not want to go, uh, wading."

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"Okay. Do you want to go meet your - personality cluster - they're outside the palace because we are holding the planet-destroying one in an antimagic field."

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"I... wouldn't destroy a planet? I think?"

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"Really extreme circumstances."

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"One of the world's evil gods had computer servers on which he was horribly torturing billions of people, while also for his entertainment waging a land war against them, and he agreed in a magically-binding fashion to stop, in exchange for the destruction of the planet his enemies lived on. We found Cam in the middle of resurrecting most of its populace from their backups."

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"...okay. Do you have to worry about him destroying more planets, considering?"

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"Well, the problem is that we do have an evil god torturing astonishing numbers of people and capable of making binding agreements, here. I - don't think he would -"

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"He won't."

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"Personally making a gut call about whether he'll do it again isn't my right, it isn't the right process. There's enough similarity in the circumstances that we'd need more assurance than that."

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"These people also have a weird setup where they get rewarded or punished in the afterlife for their virtue or vices in life," he adds to Pelape.

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"...and this involves evil gods torturing astonishing numbers of people. Rough system."

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"About ten percent of Osirians get a bad afterlife but in some societies it's nearly all of them."

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"Is this process, like, reversible or anything?"

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"I can resurrect the dead. One or two a day, if they agree to come back. There are other people who can do it too, but we can't get anywhere near everyone."

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"Any prospects of systemic fix?"

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"A couple of hours ago I would've told you no. Now - Mirelótë thinks her gods will try to help, if we can find them."

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"And how's that going?"

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"No progress yet."

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"Exciting. Well, uh, it's... nice to meet you all, I'm Pelape Milath."

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"Ruby Prince Khemet the Third."

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"Anaander."

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"Aitim. I've been told I look a different shade on TV."

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"I've seen you in person. I attended the speech you gave about how great the test in Nalame is going."

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"Oh no, was I wrong?"

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"I've never encountered anyone from Nalame complaining."

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He frowns at her contemplatively for a second. "Want to walk down to the rest of them? I was just there."

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"Is anyone going to lunge at me with a sword if I stand up?"

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"You'll take responsibility for her?" he says to Aitim.

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"I don't know what that means to you. She is not going to try to assassinate you with her fists."

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Then he can show her where the rest of her alternates are. 

The palace is weird. All the men are in uniform and all the women are barely wearing anything.

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"Do you want to make any addenda to Anaander's notes more tailored to our cultural perspective?"

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"These people are all obsessed with gender. Like - the pharaoh has to be a boy, if anyone wants to talk to his wives they have to be a girl, they only have schooling for boys. When we discussed this a bit they attributed it to the lack of birth control but that can't be the whole story, it doesn't do enough explaining itself. I suspect the rest of the explanation is that they spring more frequently or something, because they were quite insistent that many babies are abandoned to starve on account of no one particularly wanting them, and because Anaander says you can manage human population growth rates with very very soft incentives.

The other visitors are more normal, even the one who is like the locals a human. The one who is a human suspects the pharaoh - and the rest of us, though less saliently than the pharaoh, I think - of secretly being supremely manipulative rapists, because the one he met in his own world was. That one's not here. Just Khemet, Anaander, and me."

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"Wow, okay, yikes. Are they going to be weird about me for being a girl even though they presumably have very little idea that I'm a grey, I can't catch a break."

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"I think the pharaoh is trying to be as open-minded as he perceives himself able to get away with but I don't actually know that that's very. They haven't been particularly insistent about their gender thing at Anaander but she is, or claims to be, one body of a hive mind with a million hosts that rules over a thousand-planet empire, and maybe their laws about women are easier to waive in that case.

- I'll do what I can, if you run into trouble."

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"Thanks."

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"And there are your alternates. I'm going to leave; Cor understandably would rather not have us around being reminiscent and aware of his existence. The pharaoh has cameras - well, magic cameras - here."

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"Magic cameras? How much coverage has he got with the magic cameras?"

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"- hello, welcome. Effectively wherever, it's actually an ability to remotely view wherever he likes. I'm Mirelótë, that's Cor, that's Cam."

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"Pelape. This is pretty neat."

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"I was in the middle of something."

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"My magic doesn't work here and a disturbing number of people around here have my rapey ex's personality."

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"I meant for me, I'll miss my family but I wasn't doing anything important."

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"...why not?"

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"Doing anything important was illegal."

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"What's the less flippant version?"

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"We have a caste system and I'm the worst one."

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"A caste system?"

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"Hereditary social construct signaled with hair color that limits what jobs we can do. Mine's cops and soldiers and athletes and sex work. It lets you specialize your education system."

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"- I'm clumsy but they aren't -"

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"...magic ring."

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"...I'm not a very good dancer?"

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"Do you match your dad?"

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"Yeah. Most countries it'd be my mom."

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"That's not more reasonable than not educating girls!"

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"It's far more reasonable than not educating girls. You can exert genetic selection on a caste, you can't do that on a gender. And most people meet and marry within their caste, I don't know how your boys and girls even socialize enough to know who they want to have children with."

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"Their parents usually arrange some potential matches."

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"And why would you expect them to be any good at that?"

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"They have the children's best interests at heart and aren't as immature as the children themselves."

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"At what age do you people marry."

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"Women at twenty. Men at thirty."

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"That's not helpful - how old are you -"

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"Twenty-eight."

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"How old do I look."

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"I don't know, thirty-five?"

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"Everyone else?"

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He glances at Anaander. "She's around 20, so's Cor, Cam's not much older, Pelape reads in that range too, wouldn't hazard a guess about Mirelótë."

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"Huh. I think we marry later in life than you. Certainly later in life than your women. - you could depress birth rates by pushing their marriage age back."

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"People like marrying women at 20. So you get a while before they start getting less attractive with age." 

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"Have you tried, I don't know, skincare products?"

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"I guess we can ...keep in mind the possibility of making apparent-youth spells more common."

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"Are we all just here because they're holding Cam in this cell, because under the circumstances, Cor -"

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"Yeah, that's why, he's my excuse not to suck it up."

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"It's not working on all my magic. I'm still indestructible, I just can't, like -" A blue beret appears on Pelape's head. "- uh."

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" - wow."

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"I guess we'll have to actively make the case for nondestruction of the world."

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"- okay, given that," Cam gestures at the hat and looks at Hemaka, "is any purpose served by my hanging out in the cell, it seems like all it's going to do is make it inconvenient for me to snack."

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"I really doubt it. Not my call, but we'll probably get a messenger shortly."

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"Gimme a notebook," Cor tells Cam. He gets one and scribbles industriously while they wait.

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Pelape takes off her hat, looks at it, smiles, puts it back on.

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There is, indeed, a harried-looking guard along shortly to confirm that Cam can go.

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Cor sticks pretty close to Cam as they head in.

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The Maitimos are gathered around talking. 

"Hello," he says to Cam. "Do I need to try to convince you not to destroy this world despite all the torture."

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"Uh, nobody has even credibly offered to cut it out if I destroy the world, even given that it took a while to get to the point where I pulled the trigger, I really didn't like doing it the first time, my understanding is it's largely not happening on this plane let alone this planet, and there seems to be a lot of other potential avenues for fixing it? So like... not this year and I'd really rather it seem less central to everybody's impression of me even though that's probably not a very fair ask? I've done other stuff."

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"I did also want to ask about other stuff. Anaander was trying to explain to us how contraception works."

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"I can make contraception but that's not a good long term solution."

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"Not to the afterlife situation, it'll just improve everyone's lives a bunch in this world."

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"No, I mean, I'm the most likely person of the contingent to disappear even if no intentional sending-us-home solution is found. I can't even voluntarily control it if they have me dismissed. You can't run your contraception on stuff I make forever."

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"Ah. Can you get us up to speed in time?"

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"Maybe? I don't know how exactly you're integrating magic with your manufacturing base or what, like, plants you have - I can just make you plants but I don't know what climate this is, I don't know if you have people competent to perform surgery -"

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Nod. "And if you only have a little time maybe you should spend it elsewhere - I guess I can at least outline what 'elsewhere' might be -"

He explains the afterlives. The other miscellaneous planes. The other countries in Golarion - "so almost everyone in Cheliax goes to Hell. Isger - Chelish client state, same story. River Kingdoms, constant state of power struggles among various fiefdoms and warlords, in lots of places total anarchy. They're losing territory over here to Razmiran, run by an evil wizard claiming to be a god. Numeria, here, has a famine. I guess maybe you could fix that. The famine is caused by their present ruler having seized thirty percent of the country's grain to make a lake of alcohol to swim in."

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"I'm surprised nobody's beheaded him."

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"I have some intelligence suggesting he's actually a drug-addicted puppet for some local mages with an agenda. I don't know more than that, it's awfully far from here."

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Cam glances at Anaander. "In your experience with running human societies without ongoing spontaneous matter generation input what would you call the low hanging fruit here? I only know how to end material scarcity if people can keep summoning daeva whenever they feel like it indefinitely."

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" - I'd start by unifying the place?"

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"She's evil," he tells Cam.

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"Nearly all of these problems are bad-ruler problems! Or power-vacuum problems!"

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"I read evil too," Cam points out. "If she's helping she's helping, though admittedly that wasn't a very helpful answer. What would you have me in my capacity as a material-object-generator do in the next five days."

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"You could totally leave us with the resources to conquer the place in five days," says Anaander, pouting. "If they won't use it, then I don't know, maybe the internet? Satellites last a long time, it makes people richer, it's rough on bad governments. The governance problems are really really going to get in the way of making anything better for people here."

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"I can do an internet," Cam says, picking up his computer and flipping through stuff on it. "Assuming the laws of physics work normally here and dictators aren't just going to send wizards into space to crash the satellites. How's the literacy rate?"

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"Nearly all men can read in Osirion. I think it's less than that in most places but not much less."

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"What about the women."

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"Most women cannot read in Osirion. It's more common in places that send them to school."

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"It's going to be less useful if they can't figure out the end-user hardware unless you have solutions for that up your sleeve," Cam points out to Anaander. "If the content has to be audio and pictoral that means they need cameras and mics and editing software and can't just learn to type."

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"Everyone likes watching and uploading videos. And it socializes them well, for the most part."

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"I'm also way less confident the manufacturing base can handle making new ones than that they could figure out copper IUDs. I could make a huge batch and Osirion could export them for a while but they won't be able to repair them and it'll be all very command economy. Unless there's, say, a spell specifically to duplicate objects? Or to fix them even if they're complicated and you don't know how they work or what broke?"

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"There are spells for that. I don't know how they'd interact with these objects in particular."

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"You want to try it? I can make a busted computer."

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"Go ahead."

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Cam makes a wiped version of the computer he had which broke right before he upgraded to a chiplock.

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He doesn't actually prepare Mending but many of the assistants should.

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Cam pokes the computer and it starts up. "That's promising!"

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"How widely known is the spell -"

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"It's a cantrip. Lots of people know it and there's no limitation on how frequently they can do it."

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"Let a thousand cottage computer repair businesses bloom. Okay, the other problem is input. I don't know your languages or even your alphabets, and I can set machine translation to it but machine translation is not that great and it'll be worse if you don't have very very large written corpuses of all applicable languages. I could maybe teach someone to set up novel soft keyboards people can download. Probably your dad, who I imagine knows all the commonly used alphabets and enough about the languages associated not to make any dumb mistakes about setup. I'm going to need some very handholdy introductory setup software on all the machines... Anaander, I don't suppose you have actually-good machine translation and language handling I can steal. Mine does text and is pretty dim about it without help."

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"What would you need to know to steal it?"

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"Name of a program? I can do format conversion but tell me how much processing power it calls for. Or if it wants dedicated hardware tell me uniquely where one is and I can copy that. - and you have AIs so if you happen to be enslaving AIs to do your translation that won't work, can't make minds."

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"What counts as a mind. Our translation program isn't properly a person, but it's reasonably smart."

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"I cannot make a bird that acts like a bird but I can make a video game with reasonably clever NPCs whose dialogue is not all pre-written?"

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"Well, no harm in trying." She tells him the name of a program to conjure.

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He sticks it into his computer.

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And the program comes to life with happy music. "Translation!! How can I help you?"

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"Hi! Does the magical translation effect I am using right now work on you?"

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"I don't recognize that language. Do you want language-learning mode?"

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Cam turns it off. "Okay, I can bundle that with everything. I may put the entire Library of Hell in your basement just so you have a prayer of finding anything I forget. I might be around longer than five days if they take a while to try having my summoner dismiss me but if they don't wait my time's at a premium. I should probably also do IUDs, they aren't hard to learn to insert and can last thirty years and work really well and you have magic healing if people fuck up because they didn't attend enough years of medical school and it won't take me long to teach someone to do it even given that I went to demon medical school and only learned how to remove them in the conventional manner."

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"I can arrange for everyone who provides medical services through the church to come attend training."

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"Cool. I will get underway on a slideshow or something about that."

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"Can you try whatever it was you were going to try that'd let people return to their home universes?"

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"Yeah, I'll have someone see if they can get you a plane shift. Plane shift can't target very precisely on the home plane, is that a problem?"

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"What's very precisely?"

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"Up to five hundred miles off from the intended destination."

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"Well that might drop us in the ocean. Maybe there's a point you could aim for such that there's no ocean near it."

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"If they can give us waterproof bags for our everythings, we can try for Shapto, that's away from the ocean but near a big lake which should have enough boats we can call for help - can you swim? I'm not up to date on my lifeguard quals and have only ever dragged two-year-olds out of pools."

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"I have swum but don't particularly fancy betting my life on it."

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"You can have a ring of waterwalking if you want. Most people worry more about landing in hostile countries."

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"I think nearly all of your countries are more disastrous than even the worst of ours."

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"How much cargo does the spell allow?"

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"Anything you're carrying."

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"Cam, load us up on goodies. When you're done putting together your report on birth control though."

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"Sure, work out what you want."

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"What sorts of magic things other than rings of waterwalking are there?"

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" - there're a lot of kinds. I can get you a list but it's a long list."

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"A list would be great."

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Someone brings them a list.

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"What's our magic item budget here? Ooooh -"

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"Everything listed under 5,000 gold I probably have spares of on hand that you're welcome to. Everything listed above 50,000 I mostly don't. In between you'll have to ask."

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"If you can send us home at all can we go back and forth?"

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"You should be able to, yes."

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"'Exploration' is grey, right?"

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Giggle. "Sure."

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"What, uh, color, is actually doing magic, if we can?"

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"What skills does it involve?"

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"Wizards rely on intelligence. Clerics are chosen by their gods and come from all walks of life. There are other, more esoteric ways to get magic, which you mostly encounter among adventurers, who are professional combatants who go into dangerous situations for money."

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He nods.

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"Is there an intro to wizard lying around?"

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"Where do the gods get magic to distribute?"

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"The kids have tutors, I can reassign one if you'd like. It does take years to get up to real spells.

Gods are almost definitionally the kind of entity powerful enough to make clerics. How exactly it works is much speculated-about. Abadar is older than the universe and has never been less powerful, he thinks of it as an innate feature of himself. But some people become gods and they have the ability too."

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"Hypothetically if Local Us is trying to do that what are they doing?"

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"Adventuring until powerful enough to go after the starstone. Or earning a lot of money as a mid-level wizard while planning to do that once they can arrange themselves a resurrection if they get killed adventuring, if they're a conservative sort.

 - might have at some point been here in Osirion even if they're not local. We're one of very very few places that sells death insurance to adventurers and enforces the contracts on behalf of the dead."

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"Is the number of people who buy it small enough you could check for similar names? Do we have similar names?"

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"I think Cam hasn't given his full name? Cor, do you have any more names?"

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"No, just Corbelan."

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"Campbell Mark Swan."

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"So a 'bel' or a 'pel', and an M followed by an R or L or both if there's a second name. And who knows if more of us would have 'Swan' if more of us had three names."

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"Death insurance for adventurers requires paying the whole cost of the resurrection up front. It's expensive and rare." He gestures at an attendant, who leaves.

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"Can you earn that much money on spellcasting without first endangering your life, and, can a person who trips like constantly at a brisk walk do the adventuring thing?"

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"I can walk briskly. And run."

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"They're not necessarily a species that lets them do that, I don't see any reason to expect it to be convenient that way."

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"You can get up to fifth level without endangering your life, and you can fly at fifth level. I wouldn't consider it an advisable route for someone whose dexterity is underwater but it wouldn't be totally impossible."

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"Local equivalent of my magic ring?"

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"There's a spell version and an item version."

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"I want one."

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"If it's on par with mine I'll trade you."

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"I'll have someone see what we have to spare."

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"Is there magic stuff that gives telepathy."

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"Yes."

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"Why don't you have it?"

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" - everyone would be so terrified and miserable."

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"You wouldn't have to tell them."

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"There is no fact about me which if widely shared would make my people feel their trust had been betrayed. Because that would - I'd be unworthy of them."

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"See why I'm worried about him," she says to Aitim.

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"Personally I really appreciate the not being mindread."

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"If the mystery thingy's going to fill in the - wosscalled -"

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"Sudoku boxes but it wasn't an especially clever reference I want to run with."

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"- then I need to teach you all to do private thoughts, since magic Elves aren't as limited in the telepathy as - chip Elves."

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"We have that too amongst ourselves, if that's reassuring about whether the concept was fictitious to begin with. You develop a mental habit of distinguishing thoughts you want to publicize, keep back, or communicate with a subset of people, using any metaphor of your choice."

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"Findekáno would've said. But yeah, that's right."

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"How long does it take?"

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"I was told months but had it by the time I asked to be checked, within hours."

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"Is there any way to check, here, whether we've got it?"

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"Not unless local mindreading swag obeys the same distinction."

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"- hey, Neli, what time was it when you got snaked?"

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"A couple minutes past 10:45."

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"Okay, it was definitely past eleven thirty when I got gotten because I'd ordered lunch."

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"Do different planes usually experience time at the same rate?"

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"Not all of them but most of them, yeah."

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"I don't know if telling you all the metaphors I or Maitmo chose as little children will help."

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"Well, I'm curious."

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"He went with 'sending some thoughts out to play while others are stuck inside watching', I'm 'underground versus aboveground'."

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"In my house versus not in my house, I wasn't feeling very creative."

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"I'm going to try chiplocked versus not chiplocked but this will not work for any of you if you don't want brain surgery."

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"Would you like me to just kill your Sudoku square when he shows up," he asks Cor.

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"If I'd wanted to finish assassinating him I could've done that myself."

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"I was assuming it might've caused you some problems with his loyalists."

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"I could have done it from far away."

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"Also, like, he's an Elf, so what would in fact happen is he would either get scooped up by your totally indefensible system of afterlives, or he'd go to his Mandos who mind controls people all the fucking time and would not confine himself to 'maybe this guy should be less evil', like, he also doesn't like it if people are gay."

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"Not being able to kill or imprison him does leave us with a frustrating lack of options, though, should he appear."

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"Putting him to sleep should be fine, actually."

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"Lasts ten minutes. And doesn't work on Elves of the local sort though maybe it'll work fine on yours since they're an entirely different species."

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"Do you have a way to stop him from mindreading random people who don't have private thoughts down - a portable way -"

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"No."

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"You could make him swear not to."

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"Crosses a line but I suppose there aren't very many options that don't. There's no longer-duration sleep option?"

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"There's causing him brain damage."

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"Well. If he shows up and everyone present is very annoyed with him and have seriously considered murdering him on the spot and the way not to do that whether quickly or slowly involves him swearing not to read anybody's minds he will probably figure that out."

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"He'll probably look just like mine or Cam's at a glance, of course."

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"But ping evil. I guess Cam's might too, if he was complicit in the planet destruction."

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"Helped with the oath text. And with not letting Findekáno warn the Valar when I let something slip."

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Khemet and his husband seem to find this amusing; they look at each other.

"We won't hurt anyone when they show up."

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"Thank you."

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"- he won't look just like yours. He will have the, uh, evidence of his slight assassination on his forehead, or maybe cover it up somehow."

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"Is the Elf imprisonment thing triggered by, like, a spell that reduced his ability to operate his limbs until he had to sort of flop around on the floor, but we didn't stop him from flopping anywhere he wanted?"

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"...I don't know. I suppose you could test it on me and I could see if I have a spike in stress hormones but some edge case tolerances vary even within a kind of Elf."

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"Does this planet have laws about how you are allowed to treat prisoners?"

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"Not the whole planet. Osirion has signed some treaties that ban things such as executing them with the spell that sends them directly to Hell regardless of their behavior in life."

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"There's a spell that does that? Who comes up with these things?"

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"Talented devils who do magical research, I assume. In principle it ought to be possible to come up with a similar one that sends people to Nirvana but I don't know it to exist."

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"Oh, I was assuming the arrangement was sufficiently perverse that the comfy ones would kick people out if they didn't get there by checking off enough tickyboxes in life and the awful ones would take anyone they could get."

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"My afterlife setup is kind of stupid but not like this one."

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"Two of the good afterlives are selective - Heaven will only take lawful good people and Elysium will only take chaotic good people. But Nirvana will take anyone. There are trials when the complicated dead reach Pharasma, to determine their fate, and regardless of the circumstances of the dead person Nirvana sends its contingent to the trial to argue that the person is neutral good and, if they win, to take them home. They have a rehabilitation program in Nirvana, too. It's really very, well, good of them. 

The evil afterlives do take everyone because they eat them or torture them and you don't need to be selective for that."

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"How does your afterlife system work?" he asks Cam. "...and how do people come to be aware they have an afterlife system."

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"I came to be aware of it when I died. In principle somebody could spill the beans at any time but it keeps not happening and I can't do it because when humans where I'm from summon me they do not let me talk. There's three kinds of daeva with our own worlds, all perfectly nice to be in, and Limbo, which is boring and disappointing and inconvenient but can accept imports from the other three on a regular if infrequent basis to patch some of the inadequacies. You become a daeva if you were a summoner in life and go to Limbo otherwise."

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"Has anyone here got an afterlife whose world doesn't otherwise have magic -"

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"I have every reason to believe our deaths are permanent."

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"Same. I'd be mildly surprised if even the magic around here could fix me if I died in a magic accident, those don't leave corpses. Though I tried a spell here and it didn't work."

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"We could try scrying on your afterlives but I haven't yet successfully scried anyone's home planes so I do not expect this to work."

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"Is someone just trying everybody's in the background? How many things have been checked at this point?"

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"This spell has some failure chance anyway that's hard to distinguish from failure due to the plane being unscryable without trying and failing a lot. We tried Mirelótë's plane five times, because it'd be particularly useful to get into contact with if we could. We also tried for Cor's Arda twice once he arrived, and for yours twice. All failures. Aitim and Pelape should name a person to check on if they want me to try their world. Preferably a little kid if you know any, they can rarely resist scrying."

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"I know some kids."

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"As you correctly inferred earlier, I am not sending you home."

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"My sister's three, how little is little?"

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"Newborns are best but most kids will be easier than an adult."

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"My nephew Elemi just turned one."

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He nods at someone. "Okay. - which brother? That's not necessary for the scry, I'm just curious."

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"Makel. - is yours married?"

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"No, but he has girls, and four kids by them."

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"His wife's name is Peka. She's gray? Did sex work before? Great singing voice?"

 

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" - maybe Rabiah? You could meet her and check."

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"Huh. I think I will, that seems potentially interesting if it is her."

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Pelape's alts are all looking at her curiously. "- am I the only one with a sibling?"

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"My parents got divorced when I was a baby."

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"Mine didn't but they didn't want any more."

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"As Cor."

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"...how does your world even do birth control, Cor -"

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"Not very elegantly, you roll dice till you're done for good and then you can get a magic sterilization, and by can I mean you could before we discovered all the magic we were doing was eating our planet much faster than it looked like so now probably there are some people having an extra baby on top of the eaten-planet-related refugee crisis but it has not been priority one. I'll take home your lecture on whatever you're distributing here though."

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"...and Telcar's not married, and Merenre has one wife, named Ismat, runs a jewelry store - invented a new method for making magic objects more cheaply, actually, that's how he met her -"

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"Might match."

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"Huh! She has an older brother, lives with her, he has a sort of disability where he'll get stuck sometimes -"

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" - ah huh."

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"You want to recommend anyone else any spouses?"

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"You could look for the women Kan and I are having children with."

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"What's -"

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Another person appears.

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- he glances at Cor.

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"Crown covers his forehead, see?"

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"Braids mean he's the king, isn't mine."

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"Were you going to try sleeping him, some of us don't know if we're being mindread."

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"Sleep," says one of the guards.

He turns around and looks at them, bewildered.

"Maximized Calcific Touch. Calcific Touch. Calcific Touch. Calcific Touch."

He....literally turns to stone. A very detailed statue.

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"Not reading your mind, he's not conscious."

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"If he's not conscious being trapped can't hurt him, it's psychological."

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"Excellent." He gestures for someone to move the statue out of the room.

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"This does make it hard to find out if he has any puzzle clues."

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"If we want him later I can have someone make a personal demiplane and wake him up there."

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"You guys can do that? That's cool. How big are they?"

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"If I make one without doing anything complicated it'll be fifteen hundred cubic feet. I didn't prepare it today, though."

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"- the reason this matters to me is we don't know how many habitable planets there are in our world or how many of them will be already taken when we get there," she explains, "I guess that isn't urgent."

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"I am concerned that even if we teach you magic you'll have a hard time getting anyone who can cast eighth-level spells, but if you could, then demiplanes can be made permanent and made larger by casting the spell repeatedly."

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"Why wouldn't we have anyone who can cast eighth-level spells."

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"In general, you can only learn advanced magic by repeatedly using the magic you've got in high-stakes life-threatening situations. And once you're high-level there aren't that many situations that qualify as genuinely threatening, especially not in a world that doesn't have other magic. If you have a lot of wars between competing armies of mages you'll get high-level ones but I really recommend against that, it's horribly destructive and it kills ninety-nine in a hundred of them."

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"Space exploration could be dangerous. ...disaster relief? Coast guard stuff?"

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"Should count."

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"How'd you do it?"

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"I didn't earn my cleric levels, I have them because I am an aspect of Abadar."

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"Any other shortcuts? Is it actually about being in danger or is it a stress response, could people just, like, get adrenaline injections and then do magic."

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"It works to have the person think they're in danger even if they are, for reasons they couldn't have guessed, not actually in danger. Being under the effects of a fear spell isn't enough to make normal magic practice count, though. I do not know of anyone who has tried adrenaline injections."

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"Iiiit's probably more like a fear spell than like actually thinking there is circumstantial danger."

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"What's the deal with that Starstone thing we think our local version is going after, is that a good shortcut?"

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"No one knows anything about the tests that surround the Starstone, but people who touch it ascend to godhood. People who die trying and are resurrected report no memories of what happened after they crossed the abyss to the island where it's kept."

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"Spooky. Where'd it come from?"

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"A very long time ago some powerful enemies of the powerful human civilization of the time dragged a planet out of its orbit to impact ours. Through the intervention of our gods, the impact was mitigated enough to not extinguish all life on the planet, just plunge it into a thousand-year ice age that destroyed all the extant human civilizations. The incident was called Earthfall. The last survivor of the lost civilization of Azlant was an immortal human named Aroden. He found the Starstone at the bottom of the ocean, at the heart of what had been the meteor. He ascended to godhood, raised the surrounding area into the island of Absalom, and put protections around the Starstone so the unworthy wouldn't touch it. I don't know what kind of test of worthiness he had in mind; he's now dead."

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"Even your gods aren't properly immortal?"

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"Yes, under exceptional circumstances they can kill each other."

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"Well, that makes the local's plans probably simpler in some ways and more complicated in others."

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"Aroden's death incidentally destroyed half a continent and kicked off three civil wars. I'm not saying one should never kill a god if they can but - I hope that's not their core strategy."

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"Well, sometimes you gotta, you know. Maybe they have a better idea."

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"I know. But there are a lot of evil gods and not that many continents left." He gestures for someone to give him the list of all of the people with adventurer's resurrection insurance purchased in Osirion. 

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It's a long list. Though Osirion doesn't have the 'bel' or 'pel' consonants, which means the list of names that include one of those is considerably shorter.

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The non-Maitimos crowd around to divvy up peering at sections of it. Pelape says, "There's a 'Belmarniss'."

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"That's not Osirian. - I'm not sure what that is, actually -"

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"Doesn't say." She points out the entry.

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"They would've had to file more paperwork with the insurance." He sends someone off to go fetch it.

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"Not seeing anything else phonetically plausible."

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"Our families' phonetic correspondences aren't all that reliable."

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"It seems moreso for us."

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"Belmarniss. Elf. Country of origin Noctimar. - we have never heard of a Noctimar. Conceivably it could be on the Elf planet? Occupation, adventurer, god, none, next of kin none, history of deaths no, criminal history no..."

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"Is it enough for us to scry on her?"

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"Ah huh." He reaches for a fresh crystal ball; someone hands him one.

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"I think one of us should do it, how's this work?"

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"You take it and concentrate on the name and other identifying information you have on the subject."

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Pelape takes it. The others encircle so nobody else can see. "How soon do I know if it's working, I don't see anything?"

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"If it's been two minutes and you can't resolve any images then it failed. Most likely because the person was magically unscryable or deflected us, but that'd also happen if they were nonexistent or apparently if they were on Mirelótë's plane."

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After two minutes Pelape passe Cor the ball.

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"It's dark," he reports.

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"That's not what spell failure looks like."

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"So it's just in fact dark? They could be asleep in some other time zone."

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"Yes. Or be underground, there are peoples who live entirely underground."

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"Elves do that?"

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" - actually yes. An evil race of elves called drow lives in the Underdark and has their own society and nations and so on down there. - could explain why the country name was unfamiliar."

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"An 'evil race'?"

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"Drow sacrifice a lot of their children to spiders at birth, and then cull them throughout childhood for being rebellious or unpromising or slow or not ruthless enough. They have a population that's half slaves, which one has to be very brutal to the slaves to maintain without revolts, and buy and sell men as slaves; like children, they can be killed at will by the woman who owns them. Elves are mostly longlived but drow don't die of old age too much. They are nearly all condemned to the Abyss."

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"Wow, rough."

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"But this one's up here, adventuring..."

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"Yeah, it seems like one of the better things to do if you're a drow. No mortal race is inherently evil, of course, you can just design societies that make almost everyone in them do evil things all the time."

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"Any of us from an evil society?"

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"I was born a little too late to have a really good test case of my moral iconoclasm available."

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- Aitim smiles to himself slightly.

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"Yes, yes, you can be smug."

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"Okay, so who knows how we'd do in an evil society, but they could just in fact be asleep."

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"What'd you do?"

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"It's kind of complicated and I'm getting the sense you don't have the kind of social context in which it'll make any sense and I don't want to ask questions about who cleans your sewers because I suspect the answers will distress me."

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" - huh. Well, good job?"

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"Why?" Anaander asks him.

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"The alternative was going to be doing it, right, the age I was."

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" - huh."

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"Wow, I know what the subtext is and couldn't half follow that."

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"'It's kind of complicated' means he's very proud of it and doesn't know how to spin it well. Sort of like the pharaoh with the slave reforms, he put an astonishing amount of effort in and they've improved things immensely and he hasn't said anything because most places just don't have slavery and he doesn't know how to frame the reforms to properly impress you. Khemet saw the analogy and -" he glances questioningly at his husband.

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"I think I probably would be impressed, since I had the analogy, but figured we could talk about it later. Anaander - inferred more than me -"

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"They've got a caste system, they've got purity laws, he doesn't think you have anything analogous because you probably let people clean your sewers and then walk around your streets, in another couple catastrophic pandemics you'll evolve better instincts but you evidently don't have them yet - they had a caste for sewage. Your slave reform was a pretty good analogy, really. They had a caste for sewage workers, maybe related work, and they have colonies, but not FTL, which means they should've had robotics just starting to get good enough they could get rid of the sewage caste."

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"We weren't that close. The reds noticed the obvious implications of robots getting usably good."

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"We would've gotten there in my lifetime but there would've been - there already was, actually - enormous bloodshed about it."

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"One answer to my question - why involve yourself with something risky and messy and with the potential for backlash of that - would've been that it was a high stakes bet because he wouldn't have had a chance at power otherwise, or that he expected the bloodshed to destabilize the country. I found his answer interesting because it wasn't those. Almost the opposite. He was going to be in charge anyway and he thought through how he'd have to do it and - decided it'd be better to die trying not to."

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"Have you got one of his cousin Isel here, she did stuff, I hear there's a statue of her."

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"My sister?"

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"That'd be her, yeah."

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"Her name is Iset." They glance at each other thoughtfully.

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"Cool."

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"Is she allowed to do anything, what with being a girl?"

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"Women are allowed to do some things."

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"- oh right, that. Well, consider letting Iset do things, I guess, if she would like a statue of her or whatever you do around here."

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"I will keep that in mind."

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"Women not being allowed to do things is a leading contributor to domestic abuse," comments Cam, who has stepped back from the crystal ball to resume his work on the slide show about IUDs.

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"Huh, really? Which things?"

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"Leave their husbands, as the most direct one. Work, that being a thing you need to be able to do to leave your husband in a scarcity economy. Uh, are you going to let people get these things," he waves the current picture of an IUD he's labeling, "without their relevant menfolk's permission, because you should definitely do that."

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"Osirion doesn't permit divorce except under exceptional circumstances. The northern countries do and it sort of makes the whole institution of marriage fall apart, at least the way they did it. It's mostly not illegal for women to work but very few people will hire them." He glances at the IUDs. "Why should you let a woman get those without her husband's permission, what if he wants children -"

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"Then he can figure out how to incubate them his own damn self," says Cam. "- 'what if he wants children' don't tell me you also haven't invented the concept of marital rape who am I kidding of course you haven't. Invent the concept of marital rape immediately!"

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He looks - super confused.

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"Why do you have a monosyllable for that."

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"Because it's common!"

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"I don't think I think very highly of whoever invented humans."

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"I don't know about the ones here but the ones at home were not invented."

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"Do you understand -" he says to his husband.

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"...I mean possibly they are just saying that if your wife wants nothing to do with you you should marry someone else? We do have that concept."

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"...I don't have the text of the Anitami law memorized but I think it's a pretty good implementation, Neli, do you recall its particulars -"

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"You mostly get spousal rape law by not having a spousal exception to your normal rape laws. Advance consent can't override objections communicated during the act, and you can't have sex with people unable to communicate objections."

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"...I feel like it is sort of condescending to tell people they cannot sign any contracts that include agreeing to have sex."

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"They can, the law just won't mandate specific performance if they change their mind - that is, you can give me money for sex, and then if I decide I don't want to have sex with you after all you have a valid claim against me for violating the terms of the contract, but a court will just make me give you the money back, it won't decline to prosecute you for rape if you attack me over it."

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"- I guess I can see how that'd work. I think it'd come across as awfully intrusive, trying to prosecute someone under those circumstances."

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"You don't have to prosecute if nobody reports, we aren't saying have security cameras in people's bedrooms. I guess maybe Anaander advocates security cameras in people's bedrooms? Not sure how she's implementing her security arrangements there. But not for this reason. Though separately you need to make reporting as costless as possible or it's just a way for someone to ruin their lives by trusting the system, which I think you might especially disprefer."

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"All right. I guess maybe we can find a particularly unsympathetic case and have a public discussion about it and come down on the side that repeat conduct should be prosecutable."

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"Here, have a paper copy of the legal code of Mars, I like what they've done with the place," Cam says, offering him one. "They were founded recently so they don't have as much cruft as Earthside. Also you know what you should probably do is park your dad in the corner and have him play with the translation program of Anaander's, since it can hear what we're saying and learn it and then it'll be up to speed."

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He nods at an attendant.

"Our legal code is optimized for getting people into the lawful afterlife, not for making this world a particularly nice one for them. If you have a plan to change the circumstances that necessitate that, I'll be delighted."

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"I have never tried to get people into the lawful afterlife. Maybe you are making a rational decision that it would be too hard for would-be rapists if they couldn't even rape their wives and then they'd get tortured and that would be disproportionate. I do think that if that's what you're doing you should do it explicitly and not because you haven't invented the concept of marital rape."

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"I don't think there's an epidemic of people raping their wives and I'm not confident that stopping them would be bad for their immortal souls. I just wanted you all to be aware of the constraint generally."

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"I mean, if it's not illegal, probably it isn't chaotic to do it, whereas if people do illegal things they don't get caught at because they happen behind closed doors perhaps that's worse? I'm not sure if that's the position you're taking."

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"That's one of the considerations. The other one is that it might be Evil, in which case we would want to stop people."

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"Who decides if it's evil? How do you tell?"

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"The alignment system decides. It's debated whether that's just Pharasma's personal intuitions or whether she's consulting a deeper principle. There are spells that can detect the alignments of sufficiently powerful people, and usually you test whether something is evil by having someone who is not evil do it repeatedly and then re-checking them and then of course hurrying their opportunity to repent if it turned out to count as evil. Sometimes you can figure it out from observational evidence. We determined that it should be illegal to rape your slaves through mostly observational research."

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"Please don't try to get somebody to rape their wife for experimental data, Mirelótë might explode."

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(Khemet and Hemaka glance at each other. Anaander snorts). 

"I think it might be one of those things where intent would matter anyway. We will look into it, we won't hurt anyone in the course of looking into it."

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"I'd suggest you have a look at my Sudoku square -"

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("It wasn't a very clever reference, I said -")

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"- but he also goes in for torture so it probably won't tell you much."

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His father comes in and receives the tablet in language-learning mode and starts playing with it.

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"Lawful evil," Khemet tells Cor.

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"Probably easy to pull off lawful if above the law no matter how much deception and betrayal you find convenient!"

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He bites his lip, just slightly.

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Snort.

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Cor is not the least bit apologetic.

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"Should I try the scry again or is it better to wait?"

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"Can chipped Elves see in the dark?"

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"...yes, but I was assuming the scry was like a camera, it's a little harder to make those do more colors."

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"You can see through a scry with your normal vision."

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"Oh." She accepts the ball and the others cluster around again and she tries it. "- well, she's out in the open now. She's purple with white hair. Otherwise she looks like Pelape and me. She's hiking with a bunch of people down a road in a desert. Nobody seems to be in a particularly good mood about it."

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"Shall we send people to fetch her?"

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"How will that parse, in local terms, especially if she's of a species people summarize as 'an evil race'?"

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"I expect she'd be persuadable to come back with them but it might take some finagling. It'd probably be easier if one of you went but teleporting to a site you only scried runs some risk of going wrong and causing damage to the persons teleporting, which is mostly only a moderate inconvenience if you're the sort of person who has Teleport but which might be deadly to a normal person."

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"I am indestructible but also have the highest opportunity cost and don't look like her."

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"We can send out one round of people, they can come back and pick up a passenger, there's no risk of that the second time teleporting to a location."

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"I'll go."

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"All right. We'll let you know when they're ready for you."