Dec 14, 2018 8:53 PM
jean finds ardas suspicious. because we are mean, we drop him in one where this is a bad assumption
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"Thank you."

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“...he’s safely in prison, now, right?”

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"Assuming you mean Melkor and not my husband, yes, safely in prison."

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“Yes, of course... was Eru instrumental in imprisoning him?”

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"No, the Valar already had the ability to do that on their own, although not simply."

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"So if we -- pull this off -- we're not dooming ourselves if he gets out again."

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"Well, not necessarily. Something about someone involved could change in a crucial way if it particularly amused Eru to do so. Which is a reason to avoid making Melkor a pertinent character in your arc."

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"Yes. He didn't try to ... personally harm Eru, overthrow him, anything like that?"

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"His stated motivation was to derail Eru's plan for the universe by doing sufficiently horrible things to make it impossible that they would have been part of the plan all along. He gave Eru's misleading self-description a little too much credit when formulating this plan, if it's really what he was thinking at the time. You could call this an attempt at overthrow. He didn't try to - push Eru out of a tree, or anything, that wouldn't even begin to seem like a workable strategy."

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"So, not an undue number of narrative parallels," he concludes. "...Has Eru's existence always been so obvious?"

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"Uh, it's always been personally known to Ainur and I don't think Melkor made a habit of denying Eru existed and the others certainly didn't. I suppose some people have probably led lives that don't involve any direct interaction with Eru nor anyone who's met him. Why?"

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"Earth has -- stories about, some people who believe in, but no clear evidence of -- various deities, some with greater or lesser degrees of resemblance to Eru. It occurred to me that it would be an interesting bit of dramatic irony, should we succeed in unseating Eru only to discover him not to be the only one of his kind."

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"Oh dear. I hope that's not where he's going with that. Even now you've suggested it I don't think there was enough foreshadowing or dramatic irony, though - I can't think of anything that has ever happened which is wry or sad in light of an audience knowing there are more in the wings -"

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"Nothing particularly springs to mind for me either -- some people on Earth who believe in various gods are treated poorly, I've worked with some of them, my sister believes but not I think in a way that would play well with anything... and he seems to go for tragic more than bleak, defeating one and realizing there are a thousand thousand left doesn't seem quite his style."

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"Yes, I agree. That sort of thing would only work with the right, hm, presumed perspective on it, and I don't think the reactions that would ensue would be suitable at all."

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"...no, I don't suppose they would be."

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"Incidentally, it's not elegant and for exactly that reason I don't want it to be load-bearing but we can actually just get nearly all the Elves to coordinate on having specific reactions to things as long as there's not too drastic a mismatch, we Elves are like that. To avoid outcomes that are bad and could be made to be unsatisfyingly so."

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"...that's impressive coordination. Will they think to do that as appropriate on their own, or would we need to ask them?"

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"Oh, we'd need to ask them. We do have pretty strong natural consensus on things compared to orcs or Dwarves, but not in a strategic direction like that. Dwarves might think of something like it on their own but they'd need more background familiarity than I think they typically have to know it needed thinking of and they'd probably need to bribe each other about it."

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"...it's hard to imagine knowing that needed doing, and needing bribing to do it."

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"They might do it without, or sort out the financial incentives internally, but I can imagine a Dwarf wanting to be compensated because, say, it was an Elves' guest who instigated the problem, or to make up for their uncertainty in our assessment of the situation, or something."

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"I -- suppose. They don't object to Eru, intrinsically?"

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"Dwarves have various different opinions on him. They weren't created by Eru directly, Aulë made them - Eru did have to give leave for them to be imbued with sapience but the design is Aulë's."

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"Your entire creation narrative is bizarre." Jean shakes his head. "I suppose I have another thirty or so hours of media to consume before my sister arrives."

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"Enjoy."

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