Beka is not sure what she was expecting as a result of walking into a snake monster but an Elf city would have been very low on a list of possibilities if someone had jumbled a lot of random words together into place-phrases and had her rank them. "Elf city" would probably have been under "spider void" and above "grape juice ocean". And yet here she is.
"- okay."
Thoughts are art, all over her, on display. Why did the snake monster lead to an Elf city? Why was there even a snake monster? She doesn't know which city this is, they looked like Noldor but the Noldor haven't been here that long by out-of-Angband time. Maybe they are just very very fast at building cities. The baby's (Kat's) clothes are soft.
"Ummmm... I have to figure this stuff out from scripts and the scripts aren't all real things so it might not match up with itself... uh, there were already some Elves, around, like my mom was already around, but Noldor came over in boats from Valinor like... um...." She fumbles for exact timings, Angband lacking much in the way of timekeeping, and proceeds through the story up to the capture of his lordship's boyfriend.
"I, uh, know that Angband is horrible in all kinds of obvious and subtle ways, and don't usually care to let myself be upset about that because that'd make it good tactics for the enemy to throw tortured pretty girls at me - though, thinking about it, maybe that's not a bad incentive to set up -" he hugs her - "but you're clearly - as innocent as anyone sworn to the Enemy can be, and it's just - sad. That there's nothing better."
Melkor killed my grandfather, our King. His successor was my father. My father's half-brother had him murdered, there was fighting in the streets, Maitimo pulled everything together, negotiated for the ships, took us across the sea. We dug in, freed the continent, got to work on how to survive in it. And then there was the Sun and the Moon - like the Sun but not as bright - and then we spread out and built a ring of fortresses around Angband and that's how it's been for the last two hundred years.
Sending pretty tortured girls with beautiful singing voices who will be delighted about this: possibly the best thing the Enemy has done. Not that that's a high bar. It'll definitely come back to bite him but it's not doing that right now.
One way it could come back to bite him is if she's lying or deceived about whether she can be married but after careful (not very careful) consideration he goes ahead anyway.
Forever is a long time to do nothing but drearily choose whatever looks like it'll upset the Enemy. And who knows, maybe he meant for you to order me not to and for that to cause resentment between us, it could as easily be something like that as something which turns on my keeping her.
And you're one to talk.
I will.
And here's what we've got on the alternate timeline, and all the wild theories anyone could throw together though none of them make much sense -
Enemy can operate in other worlds, and there's one that went as described. Enemy was deceiving Beka or implanted false memories in the service of some scheme that'll have more steps to it soon enough. Enemy is just idly doing things to make us spin our wheels and will follow up when he sees an opportunity but didn't have a complicated plan when he started this. Some force other than the Enemy did this - maybe Eru, maybe a well-positioned Maia with reasons as relevant to us as 'believing that babies whose toenails are a certain precise color should be at this latitude'. There's some sort of time travel going on and that world happens or happened but only some people remember it.
There can be more pretty things in her vicinity, she can have nice Elven clothes and jewelry and artwork and tapestries and so on. Sex stays delightful. People in the city mostly keep their thoughts and senses private - the Enemy could be listening - but sometimes when they're watching a lovely sunset or sunrise, or playing in a meadow of flowers or something, they'll leave that public for everyone else to indulge in as well.
He asks her more questions about her supposed timeline and the captured Maitimo and Angband and its inhabitants.
"The King wants people to know that Findekáno is his prisoner, without actually having him as a prisoner most of the time which would be very inconvenient. Because we had a civil war over this and if people thought that there were prospects of making Findekáno king then there might be violence over it."
Thanks.
They let her hang out with her mom in the clear sometimes, probably so it would have more impact when Beka was tortured in front of her or they made Beka torture her mom but it was enough to teach Beka some songs and for her to know what flowers looked like and let her know what she'd been meant to have for a mothername. No idea on a fathername.
My species is called Elves. We have osanwë. This is osanwë. You look like a human; humans don't have osanwë, but they can interact with ours. I'm using this because I doubt you speak Quenya or the other human languages I know, none of the humans I have met are pink-haired.
"Yep! I'm really confused! I would love to just swear we won't hurt the baby but that is totally the kind of stupid decision the Enemy would try to maneuver me into making." Hug. "I don't want to hurt the baby. I don't think - I have no idea, really, I guess, what it could possibly be."
You're restrained in case you try to kill us, which is something that we are wary of because you appeared in a fortress in the middle of a war. We took your clothes in case they were magical or concealing weapons but we can get you new ones if you're cold or something.
These are real dumb aliens. It's safe. There's probably some way to make it explode but she doesn't know how. Electricity. Stuff you do so you can have sex in spring and not have a baby. She would've done it but she'd had a girlfriend and they'd broken up anyway and she hadn't gotten around to it when orange boy got her alone.
I don't blame you, I'm actually very glad you're here so we can maybe learn how to do electricity and birth control. I'm just very confused by you. All of your thoughts are confusing. What is a romance novel. What is a kinky romance novel. What is a problematic kinky romance novel.
"Didn't think so! Well, one for me and one for the engineers to learn electricity and birth control things from, that seems like a reasonable distribution of mysterious pretty girls. I guess electricity might be an enemy plot but I bet the engineers will go ahead anyway."
I really think it would be helpful if you'd explain the ...red? thing? We're not going to hurt your baby but if something bad is going to happen - if she's going to get people sick or something - it'd be much better if we knew about it now. We'll still feed her, that's worth being sick.
Wow, letting prisoners have kids is really extreme not-population-control.
Also that only applies to the people who are actually themselves jailing her, none of whom seem to be whatever a human is, but she's not sure she wants to stand on principle there anyway especially if she permasprings.
Through the telepathy. Anyone who doesn't know how to block him out, or who he's arranged to not do that, he can watch through their eyes and hear through their ears and read their minds. There's a way to block our telepathy with practice but not all humans can pick it up, so he can watch those, and sometimes people want to show a friend something and don't realize what else is visible if you're eavesdropping and sometimes - like, even if you took the class with the soldiers on how to block telepathy, we couldn't trust that you were actually doing it, because he could have sent you here with some kind of workaround none of us even know about, he's a god, they can cheat.
You could go south where you're not likely to have access to anyone or anything it's not safe for you to access. We could do something less obtrusive, if that's the problem. We could just have you in a separate room if we figure out a way to hand off the baby when she needs feeding.
I guess that helps. Humans often don't work for money after they're done with their civil service term, they just watch their kids and teach them and do home and village improvement of their own initiative and maybe maintain a small garden for the variety, and if those were all the same color then they might not mind having colors.
In my brother's province everyone uses money for everything, even 'can you watch the kids this afternoon while I plant both our gardens', because he thinks that works better and did a bunch of incentive campaigns to encourage it. But it seems to mostly work fine without, in little villages anyway.
She scoops up Katin from where she has been sucking on blades of grass and picks bits of grass out of her hair. Like, I think you're paying attention to whether I wanna or not but if you decided to stop caring you could, and I couldn't do anything about that... This is not the first time she's violated that rule, although orange boy would have been in trouble too if anyone had found out, just way less than her, and anyway it got her into trouble didn't it.
I'm - clear on why it matters if you don't want to and confused on why it matters given that you do? I could ask the King to periodically check with you whether you want to get me in trouble for something, it'd be a bit of a waste of his time but if it makes it okay when it's otherwise bad somehow...
"...it's a magic." She is not sure how to explain magics, but she is thinking of them: little patches of chaos landscape, growing patches of feathers out of the soil and turning cats into flying whiptailed sailboats and full of random assortments of coins with the faces of clocks and bread with wings and particolored twists of wire and glass pillows and eggs that hatch into nutcrackers. Cathei was a teapot for some time but has turned back since.
I think I could do three but I am increasingly skeptical that this will stop at three. I would invite other good singers to come over so you can have your pick of them but I worry that ...yous.... who had to pick someone else would be sad...obviously if you are not getting laid enough and you find someone else then that's fine, I'm definitely not going to tell people to keep their hands off my yous collection, but I would feel strange about doing any orchestrating.
"And my owner told me to come out and I told him he'd better sell me first, and he said I'd get hungry, and we were seeing who was right and then she turned back and I said he'd really better sell us both and I think he was looking for someone to buy but then the embroidered snake came."
She has in fact looked through the history of Shi Alassei and also has cached the articles on several musical instruments, searched for some Voan recipes, gone comparison shopping for sheets, consulted some parenting sites, checked fan trivia on the film Twilight Band, read reviews of episodes of Garden of Song, downloaded the regulations for military reds in Tapa, acquired a basic Anitami field phrasebook, and queued up Twilight Band 2, which is on the everything in its entirety along with her music collection.
It's like... um... Like, yes, obviously, if you ask people if they'd rather die or get raped they will probably prefer the second thing but you don't do it 'cause... she wishes she had the internet, she's just gotten kind of marinated in this ethos and doesn't know exactly how it started or how the logic goes. ...maybe if you're allowed to use prisoners for things that are fun or useful you will take more of them than you really need or something?
I really don't see why you think it's like slavery. Snuggle. If they weren't having sex would it still be like slavery? Because we have other people who are prisoners for the rest of their lives because they committed serious crimes, and I don't think their guards are at all like slaveowners.
There are some life philosophies on Amenta which call for monogamy in the sense of being really really sure that you want to stick with a person forever before you have sex with them or make certain other overtures but as far as Peka knows (which isn't very far) they don't care beyond that whether the marriage part comes before or after the sex part. It's based on vague theological mumbling about animals which pairbond for life or something.
She could see a lot of people who sprang sideways wanting to get straightened out if they weren't already in love with somebody, so they could have kids without elaborate rigmarole, but when she had a girlfriend they loved each other a whole lot. (The problem was disparate sex drives.)
"There is that. Honestly it really doesn't seem likely it's the Enemy, if he could do this he could do worse and I don't see why he wouldn't. That doesn't mean we're safe, we're not, but it really does not seem very likely to me that his chosen agents are various species of singing girl."
"Landed on top of me. In one case literally. We don't have a good way to get them home and I'm not sure Beka or Rabka would be even slightly tempted. - Peka misses the internet but also her home society is completely insane about - well I guess maybe you know, are you from the same place?" he asks Other Pink Peka.
Local Macalaure is looking very fixedly at Beka. "Uh. This world is called Arda, it's flat, it has a sun and a moon because the Valar put them there, I specify these things because they don't seem to be universal. I - knew a you, she rescued Maitimo from Angband and brought him back to us."
"Getting to it, sorry. So a while after Beka died the wizards appeared - Theodore and Rebecca and their family. They're a species called humans -"
"So's Rabka," says his alt.
"And they are special wizard humans who can do magic things, including open a portal from the bottom of the ocean to Angband and then get the Silmarils out."
"Well, it's not really a marriage, is it, and they're cousins."
"Amentans don't do Eru-marriage, right?" says the new Macalaurë.
"They don't."
"So in what sense isn't it a real marriage."
"- they're both men."
" - Eru cares about that but that's a reason not to, if anything."
"You can't, like, reverse anything the Valar say and get wisdom."
"You pretty much can!"
"They're mostly green but Aitim and the twins're blue -"
"Wait what."
"Because their paternal grandfather is and their dad's cheating."
"...huh."
"You can get away with a lot if you're related to cooperative blues! And Kan's blue and Isel and Inlad and Shasali were along too, they're blue -"
"Who?"
"Cousins and Inlad's ex-red wife."
"They let reds be blue?"
"A few! And Isama's purple and Katin is orange."
Do you want to borrow a Beka? he asks his alt.
Um? Does she want to? Do you mind?
I bet she wants to and I don't mind.
Do you think mine would feel betrayed?
...no?
I wouldn't touch her and now I get another one -
Wait, why wouldn't you touch her?
She was my prisoner!
You have that thing too?
...a thing about having sex with prisoners? Yes! Definitely.
That's a stupid thing.
I think it was wrong but I'm not sure which part was wrong.
The thing about having sex with prisoners is the part that was wrong.
...maybe. You didn't worry about it?
No! She was so thrilled when I asked her!
I guess she would have been.
"So let me get this straight. We have at least three flat Ardas, two with Bekas and one without. We have a normal Arda in the same universe as an Amenta with a Peka but no Fen Neli or descendants. We have our Amenta, which has yet to find any neighbors and has a grey Peka and does have Fen Neli and descendants. There's the human world the Ways are from. There's the human world Rabka is from."
"If you give someone a permission you gave them a permission, fucking around with that kind of thing was highly discouraged even before it became an inevitable international incident. I think there was not much pressure to carve out an exception because either the child was yours or you liked them enough to let them have a child in the first place."
"There was a civil war. Melkor set it up - planted evidence, did illusions, figured out all our internal politics and said the wrong things to the wrong people and had my father persuaded that his half-brother was going to try to oust him and Nolofinwë persuaded that my father was going to murder him and then killed the King."
" - I would phrase the problem as 'someone is suffering a lot, and also inconveniently the form this takes is one that modern societies have a very strong taboo on because having a very strong taboo on it dramatically reduces the rate of all kinds of problems, and yet more inconveniently one of the ways strong taboos are enforced is by being really appalled at violations even if they're committed by people who couldn't have been deterred by your taboo because they have been planet-shuffled by mysterious possibly-snakes.
And the solution is just 'find ways of expressing your defiance of the Valar which involve less suffering and which won't run you into this problem'. I actually bet we've invented lots of things they'd disapprove of, going off, uh, descriptions."
" - look, if you'd known any of this your military would have rules about conduct towards prisoners which meet the standards for that sort of thing, and then you wouldn't be trying to swim through a random alien taboo that makes no sense. Before the next time your military takes prisoners you should have those written up. But you didn't, and without that, sure, you're trying to invent something from scratch that was very much not invented from scratch in most civilized societies, and you're trying to generalize from a single-digit number of wildly atypical situations, and that's just a bad way to come up with military procedures."
"Rules designed to make sure that no one rapes anyone and that no one does anything which is externally indistinguishable from raping people will sometimes fail to address any of the problems that anyone involved actually cares about, and this is probably more true when you've got those but not standards for treatment of prisoners of war generally, or when you're in a ridiculous situation like fighting an evil god who is just trying to be maximally evil in every way."
" - if I were ever to threaten you it would sound like 'I would like your kingdom to have this law or a substantially equivalent one. I would like you to accommodate a hundred people whose job it is to go around and monitor promulgation of information about this law and the scope and competence of enforcement. If they are not satisfied that the law is known and consistently enforced, I will request your attendance at a conference to discuss how that can be adjusted. If you do not participate in good faith in efforts to correct this, then we'll have to discuss how best to avoid a war."
"We're giving you information. So it doesn't take you as long as it took Amenta to reach the same conclusions. 'the King's consort is a prisoner' is just going to cause a mess, everyone is going to be offended, anyone who wants something is going to feel freer to be more demanding about it because people won't be sympathetic. And it makes you look bad, because, like, usually Kings do not have a hard time finding a consort who'll stay in line without any swords. This is a stupid place to plant the flag of 'the gods can't touch me', you should find something else they prohibit to go all in on."
"I think we're - patchy. There are awful things we can't build the relevant kind of consensus against because there are stakeholders who'd do something worse if you took that away from them or because too many important people benefit from them. But when we've built it it's good. Pollution was much more of a problem before everyone agreed on what qualified. We need to be clean, that's what's driving all the problems you see there, not our decision to specify what counts so people could stop constantly wondering."
...well, marriage is a floaty magical eternal Elfy thing for people who are probably monogamous and probably in an approximately equal relationship and stuff and while she has been quite content with matters as they stand it doesn't strike her as marital. But like, that's okay, since she can't get married.
"It came up in conversation with the new Elves from the new planet that they had a civil war, in the aftermath of which Maitimo decided to keep his cousin a prisoner indefinitely, and also cut his hair, which the other Elves were appalled at, and also have it widely known that he is his consort, which add up to a fairly worrying picture."
"I mean, I think he'll probably stop because it'll be politically unpopular. Understanding why he did it would be useful for, like, getting him to understand why he shouldn't do it, but as long as he's not doing it then, well, as far as I'm concerned his true feelings are between him and his appalling-sounding gods."
"Their Valar seem way more involved and way worse than the already dismal standard. They mindread and mindcontrol everybody, a lot. At least part of what he gets out of the current arrangement is that the Valar would have edited it out of him if they could and so it serves as - standing proof that they haven't, I think."
"Honestly my best big-picture guess about the new Elves is that living under those conditions just thoroughly fucks up their ability to make good decisions or trust their own intuitions and once it's dealt with they'll be much better. But they might not, they might just all be very callous and selfish, it's still fine as long as they stop the sex-slave thing."
"Oh, it's just preindustrial with humans - preindustrial with Elves is less bad, they don't need to work nearly all the time to produce enough to live and they don't have child mortality really and even when fucked-up they're not actually that bad. Preindustrial worlds with humans or Amentans suck and will be good first priorities if we can ever travel."
"We know... ingredients? He's good at justifying what he wants to do to himself and everybody else and what he wanted to do was 'not let his boyfriend leave' and because they are Elves with some sort of national trauma around holding themselves to standards of conduct of any kind none of the natural checks on that were present."
"And my life would have been dramatically easier in almost every respect if I'd been willing to let people far away who I didn't like and who didn't like me get killed. I don't really understand, not fully, what the difference is. But he is not actually very unusual for his cultural milieu. 'Preindustrial absolute monarch has a fucked-up personal life' would require absolutely no explanation at all if he weren't otherwise like us."
"I mean, if the thing he wants is 'to know that powerful people will use magic to protect him any time he asks', that seems useful, if he's like 'then the kingdom will collapse in disarray and it'll be hilarious', then, no, you've got to figure out coping mechanisms that don't cause succession crises."
"None of the Rebeccas were native to that world. Macalaurë feels that morality is stupid but does seem to care that his own prisoner-consorts have a good time, and stopped considering them prisoners once it was safe, so I am not sure there is anyone there on whose behalf a fight should be picked."
"That it produces proscriptions which no one who hadn't been mind-altered would reasonably care about, and failed to say anything about the problem they've spent the last two hundred years obsessively focused on, and altogether seems like a bunch of demands about the arrangement of deck chairs on a sinking ship. I think."